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Mashari Gordus
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Posted - 2010.03.06 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Mashari Gordus on 06/03/2010 17:07:24
I've heard that it is actually faster to run missions for gallente to raise SOE standings, is this true?
If so, what type of agents are best if i'm only concerned with raising the sisters standing?
It seems odd though that I can raise standings for one faction faster than by missioning for that faction myself
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Mashari Gordus
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Posted - 2010.03.06 18:30:00 -
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I am currently running missions for the SOE, should I switch to running for gallente?
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Contralto
GCHQ
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Posted - 2010.03.06 19:08:00 -
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It may be true,but don't forget the huge increase in standings you get from the sisters storylines. Gallente storylines wont raise your Sisters standings.
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Sariton Xavian
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Posted - 2010.03.06 19:31:00 -
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I have observed the situation where a faction with a high regard for the one you're working for will increase more rapidly than the faction you're working for (Mordu's for Caldari, Ammatar for Amarr). Back in the day I had some theories about derived standings and why this happened, but in the end I didn't bother to explore or prove them because as mentioned above, the Corp standing gain you get from a storyline mission and just basic missions greatly outweighs the small benefit you might get from missioning for a different Faction to get better Faction gains.
Also when your standing with a Faction starts getting high, this derived standing quirk goes away due to the way standings are calculated relative to the maximum change that a relationship can create.
Long story short, if you want to work for Sisters of Eve, just work for Sisters of Eve. For SSE its doubly the case, since it is a small Faction with only a few Corps and you probably only want to work for one of those Corps. If you're talking about raising standing with a large Faction like one of the empires so you can access a wide range of different Corps, then maybe it would be worth researching ways to increase the Faction gain rate by working for a related Faction, but even then I wouldn't do it unless you actually wanted standing with a particular Corp in that related Faction.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.06 22:55:00 -
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Gallente have much better agents than SOE, so it may be advisable to do it through Gallente, at least initially.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.03.06 23:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Contralto
It may be true,but don't forget the huge increase in standings you get from the sisters storylines. Gallente storylines wont raise your Sisters standings.
Gallente storylines should give significant derived standings towards SOE, all the way to +8.0
edit: and just to remind you, there is still no divider between posts and sigs.
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Sariton Xavian
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Posted - 2010.03.07 04:46:00 -
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What Contralto and I are talking about is the Corp gain you get from a story mission. It's been a long time since I've done a low level mission so I don't have the numbers for those handy, but to use a level 4 example:
a. 16 missions, ~4% corp standing gain per combat, assume 60% combats since Sisters have no 90%+ combat agents (ie. I still run the couriers rather than declining). In the time it takes to clock up 1 story mission you will earn ~38% corp standing (with SSE, the main Corp in SOE)
b. For the story mission itself, if you get a combat mission at level 4 for Sisters its ~14% faction gain, and ~28% Corp gain.
So you clock up 56% gain with the SSE Corp, which is probably the only Corp in SOE you care about. Obviously each mission is facing a diminishing return so you won't actually ear 5.6 standing, but regardless - it's a lot.
Compare this to running 16 missions with a Gallente Corp. You don't gain anything with either the SSE Corp or the SOE faction for these. Then when you run the story, let's assume you get a ~14% faction combat mission, and you get 20% more gain with SOE than with Gallente (ie. 14 * 1.2 = 16.8%).
If you run the 16 with a Gallente Corp for a Gallente story mission, you get 16.8% with SOE. If you run the 16 with SSE for an SOE story mission, you get 56% with SSE, and the fact you only got 14% with SOE faction is irrelevant.
Also I should mention in practice, for reasons unknown to me, my level 4 Gallente story missions typically only give ~8% faction gain, compared to the ~14% the SOE ones give. I've never been able to observe the derived gain effect on SOE as my SOE faction standing is already off the chart. But I have been able to observe its effect on Minmatar (who like Gallente the same amount than SOE do), and I haven't been impressed especially once the numbers start getting higher.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.07 08:27:00 -
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Probably the only thing you gonna run SOE for is their LP store.
And for that, running missions directly for one of their 3 corps will gain you LP. Could as well be enough for something by the time you reached higher agents.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.03.07 08:59:00 -
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The problem with trying to grind standings directly with SOE is that they have no pure combat agents. The best you can get is administration (50/50 combat/courier) and only in select locations. They also offer quite a lot of anti-empire faction missions (caldari/amarr). That said it didn't take me that long to get up to level IVs with SOE directly and I ran zero storylines. I went from 2s to 4s in an afternoon (probably about six hours). Blizting the level 1s to get to 2s would take no time at all (though I did it slowly over the course of a couple years just by running a mission here and there).
edit: and just to remind you, there is still no divider between posts and sigs.
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Sariton Xavian
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Posted - 2010.03.08 02:25:00 -
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Sisters give relatively few anti-empire missions. Majority are vs Serpentis, Some vs Angels or Drones, rarely vs Amarr and almost never vs Caldari. Also as a positive, you don't lose any derived standing with Amarr or Caldari for completing SOE stories. My typical sessions might consist of a single regular anti-Amarr mission, which I would always decline.
At one stage I had good enough standings with both Caldari and Gallente to place a POS in either hisec, in spite of the fact they hate each other. This was mainly made possible by my missioning with Sisters (I've since butchered my Caldari standing down to near neutral by missioning directly with Gallente).
The main negative with sisters is the lack of 90%+ combat agents, but Administration is much better than 50/50, its more like 75%-80% combat. Their best hisec agent is actually PR, and that gives ~65% combat. Courier missions breaking up the combat isn't that bad really, I actually kind of liked it.
I ran a lot of level 4s with Sisters (9.5+ faction standing). Now days I'm running level 5s, and the only reason I don't fly for Sisters regularly anymore is because they don't have level 5 agents. |
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Matalino
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Posted - 2010.03.08 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: Contralto
It may be true,but don't forget the huge increase in standings you get from the sisters storylines. Gallente storylines wont raise your Sisters standings.
Gallente storylines should give significant derived standings towards SOE, all the way to +8.0
This!
Because Gallente is a larger faction you will get larger derived SoE faction standings increases from Gallente storyline agents than the direct faction standings gains you would get from a SoE agent.
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syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.03.08 04:01:00 -
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Not 100% accurate, and parts may be out of date ( Thukker are friendly to minmatar now ).
Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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AxeMan2
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Posted - 2010.03.08 20:19:00 -
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In my experience , If you date one of the sisters , and make sure she tells the rest of them how huge you are , then you will be in good standings with all of them.
These standings will be good for life , and cannot be reduced or hurt in any way. 
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Czeris
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Posted - 2010.03.09 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Czeris on 09/03/2010 18:15:03
Not true. Running the "My Junk is Caught in a Paper Shredder" mission will greatly reduce your standings to all of the Sisters.
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RavenPaine
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Posted - 2010.03.10 17:03:00 -
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LOLS
Was sorta afk reading and having my morning coffee.Almost made me blow coffee out my nose 
As for sisters .It always ended up in triple aggro for me  Too much DPS , my tank was broken .
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Elbie Klep
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Posted - 2010.03.10 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mashari Gordus
Edited by: Mashari Gordus on 06/03/2010 17:07:24
I've heard that it is actually faster to run missions for gallente to raise SOE standings, is this true?
Nether agent nor storyline missions for Gallente NPCs will affect you SoE standings. Running SOE agent missions will not affect your Gallente standings except a minor derived effect for certain rat bounties (not enough to worry about). Both Gallente and Minmatar standings will be increased by running SoE storylines, though not quite as much as the SoE faction standings.
There are basically three reasons for running missions for an SoE NPC. One is to raise SoE NPC standings for refining/tax benefits. Another is that the SoE LP store has some unique items. Probably the most common reason is because one's Gallente/Minmatar standings are so low one can't get access to those faction's agents. Often the SoE standings will be better so one can "back door" Gallente/Minmatar standings by running SoE storylines.
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If so, what type of agents are best if i'm only concerned with raising the sisters standing?
Alas, SoE doesn't have many agents that give significant kill missions and those are always 30 jumps away. OTOH, when SoE agents do give kill missions they are almost never faction kill missions. So you <almost> never drop standings with Caldari/Amarr because of blowing things up. So if you need to build Gallente/Minamtar standings without seriously damaging Caldari/Amarr standings, SoE missions are a way to do that. [Any storyline, complex, or data center mission that raises Gallente/Minmatar standings will cause some drop in Caldari/Amarr standings. But the drop is usually significantly less than the boost (unless both standings are close to 4.0, in which case they will be close to equal -- the formula CCP uses is designed to prevent simultaneously raising all Big Four standings above 4.0)]
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Dark Drifter
Amarr
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.12 09:44:00 -
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OK if i say it once i have sed it 1000 times
run the cosmos missions,
SOE missions there are realy easy,
all u need is:
a good cruser setup,
a hauler able to haule 3000m3
a shuttle
you will get derived standings for
gallente
minmatar
SOE
you can blits through all the SOE COSMOS missions in 2 to 3 hours
then u can move on to the minmatar and gallente ones
sholud take you no more than 2 days to do them all
and at the end of it u will have at least +5 with the 3 above factions but also 10-15 storyline BPC's and 5-10 storyline mods not to mention the inplante and hardwireings
go to this link, do note that the BPC's mentioned in these pages may not nessecerily be the ones you recive
http://www.eve-odessa.com/en/guides/cosmos.html
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.03.12 11:14:00 -
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Nether agent nor storyline missions for Gallente NPCs will affect you SoE standings.
So, considering I missioned for Gallente, why can I do L4 for SoE at their best hi sec agent without ever having done a single mission for them?
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Xeross155
Minmatar
Fusion Death Inc.
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.03.12 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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Nether agent nor storyline missions for Gallente NPCs will affect you SoE standings.
So, considering I missioned for Gallente, why can I do L4 for SoE at their best hi sec agent without ever having done a single mission for them?
Because faction standings override corp standings.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.03.12 22:34:00 -
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Because faction standings override corp standings.
exactly, in fact I was replying to the fact he said my faction standings could not impact on SoE standings, SoE being a faction (besides being a corp).
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