Originally by: Battle Dog

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I dont dispute that it is tecnically PVP the problem i have is that poeple think this makes them good at PVP

and no not related to Butter Dog lol or that carebear caldari that dares to use the name battledog ( my corpies and aliiance mates keep contracting him **** lol )

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Originally by: Ran Khanon

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Edited by: Ran Khanon on 07/03/2010 10:17:22
Now to get to the heart of the matter; please show us on the doll where the nasty blob touched you.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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To be honest i dont really consider gate camping PVP, what skills do you need to park ships on a gate and shoot haulers and noobs?

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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Proper PVP experience comes from finding and catching your targets and manipulating situations so you have the advantage before the first shots are even fired.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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While it is an affective tactic for securing space to some degree its not really interesting beyond that.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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okay aside from the fact that i am replying to a member of TRAPS whose highlight seems to be 'i like to dec nub corps in empire'

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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if you read the rest of my orignal post i also talk about good fights that are actually fun and enjoyable.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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A gate camp is boring and not a good fight by a long shot. While it is an affective tactic for securing space to some degree its not really interesting beyond that.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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I am going to go ahead and assume that since you seemed to be defending this that you also believe that gate camping makes you good at PVP and since you probably do it in empire during war decs that this makes you a 'doubly hard bad ass mofo PVPer'

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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Come back with something usual to say please....

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Originally by: Noir Avlaa

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Would you consider, for example, dropping a carrier on any force every time a pilot in your alliance that gets attacked better than gate camping?

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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lol you are going to critise my combat record on battle clinic when yours is less than impressive?

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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I have read plenty of nex's story's but doesnt mean i respect TRAPS at all,

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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If you had a decent combat record your self and were not in a corp that speacialises in shooting nubs in empire then i might value your opinion at something more than a whiny forum warrior that believes there some kind of hero with 8 kills on there entire combat record

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Originally by: Alchemist's Alt

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Are you related to Butter Dog?

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Originally by: Ardashir Sarum

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Here we go: "Martial Art" or "The Art of War". To be a Warrior or a Soldier.

"Martial Art":
If we should ever meet at a remote moon or asteroid belt - you the Warrior and me the Terrorist Hunte, who seeks to bring back lost Minmatar Souls to the great Amarr Empire - I guess we'll have a good fight: Battle Dog vs. Ardashir Sarum

"The Art of War":
Being in a gang or fleet and having a specific mission, I won't be Ardashir Sarum anymore but I'll become whatever my task in the group might be. And you won't be Battle Dog anylonger, but merly a red dot that may have to be neutralized if a threat to our mission.

Of course I hope that we meet in the "Martial Art" context - for the sake of of fast heart pumping and a good fight!

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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Finally someone understands and isnt a ****wit carebare empire hugging gimp <- ( yes you Ba'Rumph )

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While sympathetic to your general sentiment, I find it funny that you're in Rough Necks who do pretty much nothing but sit in Aeschee, run missions and get farmed by anyone who passes by.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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ahh lol is all i can do really...

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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In your opinion what do you think makes a good corp or alliance?

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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im stil lololololol

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Originally by: Ba'Rumph

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You obviously don't know anything about TRAPS. Read one of Nexa's stories. They're pretty good.

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Who are you to determine what people find fun and enjoyable? Are you arrogant enough to actually think your style of playing is better than someone else's?

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Originally by: Ba'Rumph

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You obviously don't know anything about TRAPS. Read one of Nexa's stories. They're pretty good.

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Except that he passes them as truth when they're fiction based on some 'factual' events.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Who are you to determine what people find fun and enjoyable? Are you arrogant enough to actually think your style of playing is better than someone else's?

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This is precious right here. A TRAPs member spouting these words when he himself knows the meaning of them. Nexa's one of the biggest carebear haters that abound these forums precisely because of how they choose to play their game. He's made it clear his goal is to grief carebears. And now you put these words together like they should mean something to you. Hilarious and pathetic at the same time.

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Originally by: Ba'Rumph

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Prove it. Show me examples of things Nexa has made up, please. Many have claimed this but no one has been able to show a signle instance.

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Nexa hates carebears? Has he said this? Well, I can't really speak for Nexa anyway. I certainly don't hate carebears. Has Nexa hurt you at some point to warrant this blind hatred for him and TRAPS?

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Originally by: Ba'Rumph

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Prove it. Show me examples of things Nexa has made up, please. Many have claimed this but no one has been able to show a signle instance.

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I've proved it on a previous thread and you brushed it off. What's the point? Nexa lies and you know it. Anyone that has read his stories knows this. Only his blind followers and his corp keep defending him.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Nexa hates carebears? Has he said this? Well, I can't really speak for Nexa anyway. I certainly don't hate carebears. Has Nexa hurt you at some point to warrant this blind hatred for him and TRAPS?

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From his posts here in the forums it doesn't take a genious to figure it out.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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But since you guys aren't exactly the brightest colors from the crayon box, listen to his interview with Eve Radio. He's pretty clear about how he feels about them carebears there. Not like it will change your mind about him. Like I said, you'll blindly defend your carebear leader and CRAPs till the end. So kinda pointless really.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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And by the way, why do you assume that Nexa has hurt someone when they call you guys carebears?

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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No, never even come close to TRAPs. What I know is from the junk and crappy threads Nexa starts on these threads, usually crying about carebears not wanting to fight him, and the few times I read his works of fiction. I'm just keeping it real. S'all.

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Originally by: Ba'Rumph

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Link the proof please.

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Well, you're no genius, so it's safe to say that you might be mistaken.

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Does he say in the interview that he hates carebears?

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I don't. I assume he has hurt you because of your emorage.

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Keeping it real? Post with your main.

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Again, even if Nexa truly does hate carebears (which you haven't shown in any way), I don't. I can only speak for myself.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Originally by: Ba'Rumph

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Link the proof please.

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Can't link it because Nexa took down the interview from his sight. If you really and genuinely want to know the truth about who Nexa really is ask him to re-link the interview. But I suspect you already know and are just trying to diffuse the situation with "OMG PROOFS!1!", when you are aware yourself that she's taken down the interview. But let me ask you this, is it so hard to post the interview to let people make up their minds on who he really is? So if you really want to proof, ask Nexa to post it back up on his website or anywhere accessible by the regular players. I doubt he will do it though :).

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Well, you're no genius, so it's safe to say that you might be mistaken.

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Eve Radio. Interview. Post it up.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Does he say in the interview that he hates carebears?

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Eve Radio. Interview. Why are you so afraid of people listening to his rhetoric if he's never said anything self-damning in the interview? C'mon, so easy to prove me wrong. Why take down the interview? I'm sure he kept it as a prize. Ask him to post it so he can shut me up once and for all. After all, I'm spreading lies about him, aren't I? Don't you want to prove me wrong? But like I said, you know Nexa's full of it and he knows it. And he won't post that interview up.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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I don't. I assume he has hurt you because of your emorage.

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Not at all. Actually, the "emorage" comes from CRAPs. Have you read Nexa's whines every time a carebear bails out from one of his wars? They're priceless actually :P.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Keeping it real? Post with your main.

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And involve my carebear corp and alliance on one of your stupid wars? I'm in a strict industrial corp at the moment, you know, the kind of targets you like? And I think my buddies could do without your ****. Thanks though.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Again, even if Nexa truly does hate carebears (which you haven't shown in any way), I don't. I can only speak for myself.

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Again, ASK HIM TO RE-POST THE RADIO INTERVIEW. Do you understand what I'm asking? Tell your fearless leader to link up the interview so we can all make up our minds on whether he hates carebears or not. Sir, I am daring you to link up the interview here. Shut me up once and for all :). No excuses. LINK UP THE INTERVIEW.

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Originally by: Ba'Rumph

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I don't. I assume he has hurt you because of your emorage.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 07/03/2010 14:05:43
Post the interview in its entirety and I will part with 300 million iskies. As you say, the interview has nothing to prove. You have 300 million iskies to gain. Ask him to link up the interview in its entirety and I will transfer 300 million iskies to you.

If you don't trust me I'll be happy to give the iskies to Chribba to hold.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Originally by: Ba'Rumph

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So you're not really keeping it real, but rather hiding your coward ass behind an alt so you can **** poast without consequences? How very not-in-the-spirit-of-the-game of you.

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Yes. Like your corp targets weaker industrial corps because of the lack of consequences. I guess you and me have more in common than you thought []. Classic. A TRAPs member giving a speech on lack of consequences .

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Originally by: Alchemist's Alt

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...Also what is 'PvP' in your pretty blue eyes? ..

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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300 million isk. Easy isk. Ask Nexa to post the interview here in its entirety. No more bull****. Let the listener make up his own mind on what Nexa and CRAPs really are.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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You wardec weak corps precisely because they bring no consequences to you.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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And when a corp shows a little teeth then you ask REPO alliance to knock them down for ya.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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And then you have the balls to accuse others of "lack of consequence"? The typical TRAPs joke.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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LINK. THE. INTERVIEW. I'm paying YOU 300 million isks to prove to me there is nothing damning in that interview.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Ba'Rumph: "But why? There's nothing damning in the interview".
Me: "Because I'm paying you 300 million isks".
Ba'Rumph: "Meh, I don't need 300 millions isks anyway".

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Originally by: Jug'Muk

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Alt above checking in!

Hey I posted that before I even got down to the part where MatrixSkye Mk2 starts making you look like a raving fat kid.


As for the alt, Im new here, didnt know my second char would take over my forum acct. Guess its for the best with all these corps that like to pick on the noobs. (I heard yours does that! Lets see that interview!!!)

Although new to EVE, Ive been in a ton of PvP game forums, this aint nothing new.

Most games, leaders of clans or guilds (or whatever) ask their players to stay off the forums because of big mouth kid posts that make the corp (or guild or clan) look like a good place to be if you spend most of your time masturbating.

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Originally by: Ba'Rumph

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So... stop poasting?

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Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo

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More Battle Dog please.

MS2/Ba'Rump's self-righteous indignation is old and stale.

Battle Dog's self-righteous indignation is new and fresh.

Thank you in advance.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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i can talk entertaining crap with the best of them

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Originally by: Yakov Draken

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re. Traps

I figure Nexa is using a gimmick to spice up the war decs as there is no way all those "words" should be taken seriously - if they are then someone is being far too serious about this game. I think it is a safer bet to assume it is a gimmick. Empire war deccing with hooks in their flesh.

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Originally by: Yakov Draken

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My first thought when I read this is that Battle Dog just got ganked while looking for "gf's" and came to the forums to take out his *RAGE* on all the worthless pirate scum!

Rage on Battle Dog!

re. Traps

I figure Nexa is using a gimmick to spice up the war decs as there is no way all those "words" should be taken seriously - if they are then someone is being far too serious about this game. I think it is a safer bet to assume it is a gimmick. Empire war deccing with hooks in their flesh.

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Originally by: Hector Biggz

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Edited by: Hector Biggz on 08/03/2010 00:04:51
So blobbing a Rifter is good PVP? Did you guys leave your missions to go after this?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5979880

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Originally by: killer chick

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Originally by: Hector Biggz

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Edited by: Hector Biggz on 08/03/2010 00:04:51
So blobbing a Rifter is good PVP? Did you guys leave your missions to go after this?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5979880

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Hector,
blob? hmmm. not really but i get what you are saying.


BD's idea of pvp is sitting in station with his friends and creating new petitions. I really find it amusing that he makes a thread like this and runs away from a real fight like earlier today. That whole situation really made his alliance look pathetic. I gave you and "Daximus" the perfect chance to prove your PVP ability to me... you failed miserably.

do you want me to continue?

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Originally by: Hector Biggz

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Edited by: Hector Biggz on 08/03/2010 00:04:51
So blobbing a Rifter is good PVP? Did you guys leave your missions to go after this?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5979880

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Originally by: Dalantech

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As a former member of the military (US Navy) I can understand camping at a gate -classic choke point tactic.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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Okay so i read these forums alot and it never cesses to amaze me that so many so called 'pirates' think there bad ass PVP experts becuase they can put 10 ships on a gate and pop anything that comes through. In most cases such camps carnt even do that and any semi-competent frig or AF pilot can get through. I have seen 25 man camps that couldnt catch a BS before.

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Originally by: Dianna Soreil

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this thread is awesome

also wtf about gatecamping being risk-free, i just don't get why the **** everyone says that when it's easy to prove time and time again that it's extremely risky

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Originally by: Dianna Soreil

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this thread is awesome

also wtf about gatecamping being risk-free, i just don't get why the **** everyone says that when it's easy to prove time and time again that it's extremely risky

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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Proper PVP experience comes from finding and catching your targets and manipulating situations so you have the advantage before the first shots are even fired.

BD

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Originally by: Skallebank

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Edited by: Skallebank on 08/03/2010 11:52:27
Totally agree with op. camping is gay unless for a purpose. Oh and to the troll, op's combat record looks fine to me if not overly impressive. Thing is real pvpers (as opposed to fleet pilots and gate campers and other ***gy types of pvp) don't generally get 1000's of kills a month and they can actually get alot of losses , since they generally fight outnumbered instead of just killwhoring. rant over

signed
C&P fanboi
*edit missed an important comma.

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Originally by: Ba'Rumph

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You're still a noname nub, and your alliance is still crap, FYI.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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There is as much risk involved in gatecamping as there is in hi sec L4 missions. If you know what you're doing in either of these then your risk becomes zero.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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Originally by: Hector Biggz

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Edited by: Hector Biggz on 08/03/2010 00:04:51
So blobbing a Rifter is good PVP? Did you guys leave your missions to go after this?

Killboard link removed. Shadow.

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this is the best you can do? if you choose to ignore the myrm and maller kills in the same engagement thats upto you if i was bothered would post links but im sure noone else is either

And as for running from a fight your crappy attempt at killing 3 ships with 15 was just fail, also as a side note for you when you are trying to bait us with local smack you might want to not have your backup arrive in system and sit on a planet with carrier.

Just one more point i dont recall you ***s even trying anything other than 'lets sit on station' until you managed to persuade your circle jerk buddies to come back to help. (did we upset you hector when you lost that hac and the recon so quickly)

Come back with something i give a **** about ****nut

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Originally by: Yakov Draken

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...So you either wait until the gatecamp is killing someone or provide them a bait ship. Then while they are distracted you jump a couple of fairly tough ships into local and warp to the gate and get tackle on some expensive ****.

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The rest of the gang follows once you have tackle. Then you proceed to destroy the gate camp because gate camps are generally more concerned with catching people than fighting so don't hold up too well against an organised opponent. Also they tend to panic when caught off guard.

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We don't gate camp as a rule because it is more fun killing gate camps. Trouble is finding one as people have learnt and they don't camp gates much around Stac anymore.

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...But don't stop posting because you are also one of the funniest posters on these forums.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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Okay so i read these forums alot and it never cesses to amaze me that so many so called 'pirates' think there bad ass PVP experts becuase they can put 10 ships on a gate and pop anything that comes through. In most cases such camps carnt even do that and any semi-competent frig or AF pilot can get through. I have seen 25 man camps that couldnt catch a BS before.

To be honest i dont really consider gate camping PVP, what skills do you need to park ships on a gate and shoot haulers and noobs? Proper PVP experience comes from finding and catching your targets and manipulating situations so you have the advantage before the first shots are even fired.

And while im on the subject what ejoyment do you FW nublets get from beng part of a 50 man gang that does nothing but fly around aimlessy looking for people to gank or a gate to camp?

I really think the vast majority of players dont understand the idea of good fights over 'that was great we were 50 on 1 and we won' The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing. If you have never experienced this then i can safely say that as far as i am concerned you are doing it wrong.

Okay let the carebare whine and the 'f u im bad ass' flames begin...

BD

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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...when you are trying to bait us with local smack you might want to not have your backup arrive in system and sit on a planet with carrier.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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I really think the vast majority of players dont understand the idea of good fights over 'that was great we were 50 on 1 and we won' The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing. If you have never experienced this then i can safely say that as far as i am concerned you are doing it wrong.

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Originally by: Kobrakilla

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Rubberneck tears are the best tears, quote this if your down

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Originally by: Skallebank

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Oh and to the troll, op's combat record looks fine to me if not overly impressive. Thing is real pvpers (as opposed to fleet pilots and gate campers and other ***gy types of pvp) don't generally get 1000's of kills a month and they can actually get alot of losses , since they generally fight outnumbered instead of just killwhoring.

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Originally by: Ba'Rumph

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Originally by: Skallebank

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Oh and to the troll, op's combat record looks fine to me if not overly impressive. Thing is real pvpers (as opposed to fleet pilots and gate campers and other ***gy types of pvp) don't generally get 1000's of kills a month and they can actually get alot of losses , since they generally fight outnumbered instead of just killwhoring.

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Missed the point there, did you? I'll explain again. The OP's combat record shows that he doesn't practice what he preaches. His kills aren't predominately solo ~goodfights~, but blobs and ganks just like everyone else. He has no place to speak. This has been my point all along.

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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist

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Please continue to... do what C&P is great for... Heck pod everyone you pirates, Get off the forums and go kill someone!

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Originally by: 00sage00

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Edited by: 00sage00 on 08/03/2010 22:07:45

Originally by: Battle Dog

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...when you are trying to bait us with local smack you might want to not have your backup arrive in system and sit on a planet with carrier.

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You had an equal sized fleet and two carriers to our one. We sat at that planet for 15 minutes, yet you still were too afraid to fight us in your home system.

Backup? All we wanted was pewpew; we weren't even trying to hide. We made it quite clear in local:

slave chick > lets dance ladies
Spectre3353 > come to planet 6 you giant *******
Andrea Skye > p6 if u ******* wana fight
killer chick > i am at P6 in a carrier

And you're complaining that no one wants a good fight any more and that gatecamps are lame?

Originally by: Battle Dog

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I really think the vast majority of players dont understand the idea of good fights over 'that was great we were 50 on 1 and we won' The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing. If you have never experienced this then i can safely say that as far as i am concerned you are doing it wrong.

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When did i ever say that all i did was 'good fights'? im not going to turn down a kill cause its not entertaining enough. Doesnt mean i carnt comment about people that think gates camps and 50 man blobs are the be all and end all of PVP

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Originally by: OP

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The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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You on the other had carnt say **** cause your record is so pathetic my hauler alt can probally match it so why do you think you have a worthwhile opinion on the matter?

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Originally by: Arch Widowmaker

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I consider gatecamping as a Pirate's PvE activity. Like missions, it's pretty boring and dosn't make you any better, but it does provide some nice isk if you can keep your gang size to a minimum.

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Originally by: Ba'Rumph

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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When did i ever say that all i did was 'good fights'? im not going to turn down a kill cause its not entertaining enough. Doesnt mean i carnt comment about people that think gates camps and 50 man blobs are the be all and end all of PVP

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In your OP you say this:

Originally by: OP

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The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing.

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Obviously this is a lie as very few of your kills are of that nature.

Originally by: Battle Dog

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You on the other had carnt say **** cause your record is so pathetic my hauler alt can probally match it so why do you think you have a worthwhile opinion on the matter?

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It isn't a question of 'opinion'. It's a question of your OP being so hypocritical it's not even funny (ok, it's a little bit funny), and your constant **** waving in this thread is uncalled for and worthy of ridicule.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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If you dont like it go jump off a cliff your just talking out of your arse to be honest

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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If you dont like it go jump off a cliff i'm just talking out of my arse to be honest

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Originally by: Lil Drake

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Originally by: 00sage00

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Edited by: 00sage00 on 08/03/2010 22:07:45

Originally by: Battle Dog

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...when you are trying to bait us with local smack you might want to not have your backup arrive in system and sit on a planet with carrier.

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You had an equal sized fleet and two carriers to our one. We sat at that planet for 15 minutes, yet you still were too afraid to fight us in your home system.

Backup? All we wanted was pewpew; we weren't even trying to hide. We made it quite clear in local:

slave chick > lets dance ladies
Spectre3353 > come to planet 6 you giant *******
Andrea Skye > p6 if u ******* wana fight
killer chick > i am at P6 in a carrier

And you're complaining that no one wants a good fight any more and that gatecamps are lame?

Originally by: Battle Dog

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I really think the vast majority of players dont understand the idea of good fights over 'that was great we were 50 on 1 and we won' The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing. If you have never experienced this then i can safely say that as far as i am concerned you are doing it wrong.

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What you fail to mention is a Cyno fit and 20-40 caps ready including Supercarriers >_>, Sometimes its called being smart not to lose 2 carriers to such a trap

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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in all seriousness, just because there are lots of lazy gatecampers full of fail out there, and there are lots, doesn't mean that gatecamping is "difficult" or "risky". If you need tips just ask. Or send me an evemail. I'll give you some tips.

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Originally by: MirrorGod

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If you have arrive on a stargate
And I arrive on a stargate
...And I have dictor.

ARE YOU LISTENING?

Then my infinipoint goes acrrrrroooosss the grid, and tackles your ship.

I. CAMP. YOUR. GATE.
I CAMP IT UP!

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Originally by: Yakov Draken

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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in all seriousness, just because there are lots of lazy gatecampers full of fail out there, and there are lots, doesn't mean that gatecamping is "difficult" or "risky". If you need tips just ask. Or send me an evemail. I'll give you some tips.

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Troll on dude!

I just wish people would believe you and we might be able to find some more camps to bust. :(

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Originally by: Yakov Draken

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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in all seriousness, just because there are lots of lazy gatecampers full of fail out there, and there are lots, doesn't mean that gatecamping is "difficult" or "risky". If you need tips just ask. Or send me an evemail. I'll give you some tips.

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Troll on dude!

I just wish people would believe you and we might be able to find some more camps to bust. :(

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May I ask where it is you're looking for gatecamps? It sounds to me like you fail yet again. Are you using that nifty online map to spot where the most kills are happening?
Because I'm looking at it now with recent kills set to last hour and the map is lit up.

To be honest, Yakov, you seem to fail in way too many levels and are just looking for excuses to explain your laziness/lack of competence. I seriously suggest you go back to learning the basics on gatecamping because, frankly you suck. And I'm being serious.

HINT: USE THE MAP.

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i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing.

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Originally by: Dianna Soreil

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post with your main or stfu

the only one who has to prove anything here is you, i've busted enough gatecamps, even as a 10m sp noob, to know it's a risky activity. you, on the other hand, have no pvp history to back up anything with

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Originally by: Dianna Soreil

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post with your main or stfu

the only one who has to prove anything here is you, i've busted enough gatecamps, even as a 10m sp noob, to know it's a risky activity. you, on the other hand, have no pvp history to back up anything with

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ouch! u iz mad . May I ask what risks to gatecamping have you been unable to overcome? Serious question. You say you have lots of experience in gatecamping. Can you please, and if you're so kind, post here what obstacles have you been unable to overcome when gatecamping?

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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Okay so i read these forums alot and it never cesses to amaze me that so many so called 'pirates' think there bad ass PVP experts becuase they can put 10 ships on a gate and pop anything that comes through. In most cases such camps carnt even do that and any semi-competent frig or AF pilot can get through. I have seen 25 man camps that couldnt catch a BS before.

To be honest i dont really consider gate camping PVP, what skills do you need to park ships on a gate and shoot haulers and noobs? Proper PVP experience comes from finding and catching your targets and manipulating situations so you have the advantage before the first shots are even fired.

And while im on the subject what ejoyment do you FW nublets get from beng part of a 50 man gang that does nothing but fly around aimlessy looking for people to gank or a gate to camp?

I really think the vast majority of players dont understand the idea of good fights over 'that was great we were 50 on 1 and we won' The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing. If you have never experienced this then i can safely say that as far as i am concerned you are doing it wrong.

Okay let the carebare whine and the 'f u im bad ass' flames begin...

BD

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Originally by: Dianna Soreil

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lmao

never said I gatecamped bro, in fact i don't do it cause it's boring as hell. what i said is that i have experience busting gatecamps, which is why i'm telling you it's a risky activity

again, post with your main :)

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again, post with your main :)

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Originally by: Kroma BaSyl

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Let me guess, you lost a ship?

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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ooookay. Then you bust gatecamps which is awesome. You admit gatecamping is boring. Why is it boring? Careful with what you say here so you don't entrap yourself .

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And from experience I can tell you that the majority of gatecamps are set up horrendously, with a few exceptions. And it makes sense considering that usually it's lazy or laid-back players looking to score some easy kills. The point still stands that if players were skilled and engaged even half their brains gatecamps carry LITTLE to NO RISK, just as Hi Sec L4 missions do.

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Now with that said it doesn't surprise me that you bust lots of camps. But like I said the majority of lo sec gatecamps are set up by incompetent or lazy players and all it would take is a frig to escape them, hell even cruisers could easily get away. The same goes for campers dying to anticamp forces. If they were stupid enough to ignore the cyno or ignore their alts' intel that's just stupid from their part. It doesn't mean that gatecamping takes oh-so-much skills. Sorry to dissapoint, but it doesn't.

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Again, no.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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lol if you knew anything about me or even bothered to look me up in game you would see that i dont give a **** about losing ships as long as it was a good fight. If you bothered to actually read my intial post you should have been able to guess that was the point.

If i wanted to start a 'I got killed and now im ****ed post' i would have

Im starting to see why most people that have got anything useful or interesting to say dont acutally bother posting here since theres so many ****tards that think smack talk on the forums makes them somehow worthwhile. If your really that messed up in real life where you have to try and be the big man on the internets then you have some serious issues

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Originally by: Kroma BaSyl

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Edited by: Kroma BaSyl on 10/03/2010 19:55:48

Originally by: Battle Dog

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lol if you knew anything about me or even bothered to look me up in game you would see that i dont give a **** about losing ships as long as it was a good fight. If you bothered to actually read my intial post you should have been able to guess that was the point.

If i wanted to start a 'I got killed and now im ****ed post' i would have

Im starting to see why most people that have got anything useful or interesting to say dont acutally bother posting here since theres so many ****tards that think smack talk on the forums makes them somehow worthwhile. If your really that messed up in real life where you have to try and be the big man on the internets then you have some serious issues

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So you did lose a ship and came here to whine about blobs and gatecamps. That was pretty much all I see in the OP, even on the second reading. Oh, I guess you also were trying to prove how big your e-peen is compared to the camp that killed you on the forum, since they probably podded you out of local and you couldn't do it in game. I see knowing constructive in your OP, just a whine. Get over it and buy a new ship. Your whinie OP is all I need to know about you.

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Originally by: Dianna Soreil

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i'm not defending gatecamping. i'm just pointing out that camping is a risky activity, because undocking in EVE is risky in and of itself.

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sitting at a stationary object like a gate is even more risky, especially more with sentry guns on you which means that you have to either gimp your setup to tank them (passive drake setups, passive broadsword setups or bcs/hics with single reps are a popular choice for this, all of which are bad fits for anything other than tanking sentries) or have at least 3-4 RR BS on your side, which aren't always readily available and are harder to get off a gate in case you get dropped on

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you have a 4-man rr-bs gang which is a strong setup for a gatecamp. a lone dominix comes through the gate. you engage the dominix, and your scout next system doesn't see anyone come through. dominix is 75% armor and local next system jumps by 8, your scout alerts you.
however, domi has now 2 of your BS scrammed and webbed, which means they can't deaggro to jump through or warp away.

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the remaining 2 bs warp away.

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enemy rr-bs gang has a short warp (<10 AU) from their former system to your system, jumps through in 30 seconds, reps the domi and slaughters the scrammed bs.

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this scenario is easy as hell to plan out and happens a lot, and it doesn't matter how skilled you are, you just can't get away from it unscarred, or unless you have a crapload of scouts, one in every system 3 jumps away--or unless you don't engage the domi in the first place, which doesn't usually happen since camping is so utterly boring you'd engage anything after two hours of killing haulers.

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I NEVER SAID IT TAKES SKILL. gatecamping is easy as hell. it's also risky as hell. which was my point in the first place.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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Im starting to see why most people that have got anything useful or interesting to say dont acutally bother posting here

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And yet again with the sentry gun issue. There are literally loads and loads of setups out there that can mitigate the damage from sentry guns. IÆm sorry, but your comment ôpassive drake setups, passive broadsword setups or bcs/hics with single reps are a popular choice for this, all of which are bad fits for anything other than tanking sentriesö is bull. IÆm not going to entertain this too much because I think you know youÆre lying on this one, but if gatecamping broadsword is just set up to tank and isnÆt even fitting a script to infi-point that is just utter fail. Period. The same goes for the rest of this camp. If all theyÆve set up is to tank sentry holy mother of Batman, that is pure fail right there.

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If a Domi is holding 2 of your ships down thatÆs where your EW ship can be of wonderful help. USE IT! Also, use nimble and agile ships (HACs, HICs, T3, EW/Falcons, etc) you will not have much trouble disengaging a Domi, trust me.

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This is just full of fail, dude. A skilled camp can at the very least scram unscathed from this scenario. See my points above. Seriously, a gatecamp that canÆt handle this is a crap camp. I donÆt doubt that there are many lazy camps out there that would crumble even under 1 BS/2 logi ships, but thatÆs because they refuse to engage a portion of their brain and just be lazy in the first place. It doesnÆt make camping ôriskyö. ItÆs only risky to the lazy, just as if a mission runner gets lazy or stupid running his hi sec mission.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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This is just full of fail, dude. A skilled camp can at the very least scram unscathed from this scenario. See my points above. Seriously, a gatecamp that canÆt handle this is a crap camp. I donÆt doubt that there are many lazy camps out there that would crumble even under 1 BS/2 logi ships, but thatÆs because they refuse to engage a portion of their brain and just be lazy in the first place. It doesnÆt make camping ôriskyö. ItÆs only risky to the lazy, just as if a mission runner gets lazy or stupid running his hi sec mission.

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Originally by: Dianna Soreil

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every single "conflict" in EVE can be won if you're smart enough

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Originally by: Spectre3353

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Go ahead and give me any situation in the game and I'll give you some theoretical way on paper to make it perfectly safe and never dangerous or risky. Then lets go into the actual game and I'll show you that absolutely no activity in Eve is risk free and that even a very well planned and executed camp is still a very risky activity if you do it on any gate actually worth a damn. There is pretty much nothing more dangerous in Eve then showing your numbers and gang strength and then sitting in the same place for an hour or two. Someone always organizes a better counter gang and tries to bait/trap you into dying. This isn't even just a rule of thumb for gatecamping, it is one for Eve PvP in general.

In other words, what you're saying sounds good on paper but in actual practice it is not true.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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Okay so i read these forums alot and it never cesses to amaze me that so many so called 'pirates' think there bad ass PVP experts becuase they can put 10 ships on a gate and pop anything that comes through. In most cases such camps carnt even do that and any semi-competent frig or AF pilot can get through. I have seen 25 man camps that couldnt catch a BS before.

To be honest i dont really consider gate camping PVP, what skills do you need to park ships on a gate and shoot haulers and noobs? Proper PVP experience comes from finding and catching your targets and manipulating situations so you have the advantage before the first shots are even fired.

And while im on the subject what ejoyment do you FW nublets get from beng part of a 50 man gang that does nothing but fly around aimlessy looking for people to gank or a gate to camp?

I really think the vast majority of players dont understand the idea of good fights over 'that was great we were 50 on 1 and we won' The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing. If you have never experienced this then i can safely say that as far as i am concerned you are doing it wrong.

Okay let the carebare whine and the 'f u im bad ass' flames begin...

BD

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Originally by: Vrabac

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Of all the corps, alliances and individuals I've met so far in my years in low sec, on average, the less competent ones tend to actually camp. Good pvp corps sit in their home systems afk, occasionally gank someone who passes by when they notice him in time, their main activity will be looking for kills OUTSIDE a single system. It might be roaming, but it might even just be "I'll go check whats up in the pipe and shout" sort of thing. This is unfortunately rather rare btw.

Most of the bad corps, which are sadly a large majority of the ones I see, will spend a lot of time camping some gate in whatever system they live in. And, being bad, they will be quite easily baited and killed, often by inferior numbers or even soloed. This is after all what so many pvp videos are all about. But it doesn't mean camping on it's own is a dangerous activity, just many people suck at it because they are bad at playing the game in the first place.

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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Okay so i read these forums alot and it never cesses to amaze me that so many so called 'pirates' think there bad ass PVP experts becuase they can put 10 ships on a gate and pop anything that comes through. In most cases such camps carnt even do that and any semi-competent frig or AF pilot can get through. I have seen 25 man camps that couldnt catch a BS before.

To be honest i dont really consider gate camping PVP, what skills do you need to park ships on a gate and shoot haulers and noobs? Proper PVP experience comes from finding and catching your targets and manipulating situations so you have the advantage before the first shots are even fired.

And while im on the subject what ejoyment do you FW nublets get from beng part of a 50 man gang that does nothing but fly around aimlessy looking for people to gank or a gate to camp?

I really think the vast majority of players dont understand the idea of good fights over 'that was great we were 50 on 1 and we won' The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing. If you have never experienced this then i can safely say that as far as i am concerned you are doing it wrong.

Okay let the carebare whine and the 'f u im bad ass' flames begin...

BD

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Originally by: Yakov Draken

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The disadvantage of gate camping is that you reveal your forces and set yourselves up for someone to attack. On the other hand a pirate corp sitting docked up while scouts find targets, or an anti-pirate corp moving through high sec, conceals its' forces until the last possible moment, can fit for the fight, and strike when it is ready. Having the initiative, choosing the fights and knowing what you are up against, really matters.

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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs

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If you blob you are not really "good" at PVP individually, jsut strenght in numbers :).

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Originally by: Si'ren

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i need to read this forum more often. i missed all the traps drama! and if you need evidence to see that they are simply empire griefers, look at their killboard! 90% are failfits and missioners who don't understand aggression. lol

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Originally by: Andrea Skye

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YOUR MY BOY BLUE!

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Originally by: Spectre3353

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Originally by: Andrea Skye

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YOUR MY BOY BLUE!

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It's "You're" which is a contraction for "You Are". You need to learn how to speak English properly. The best place to do this would probably be the very country in which the language originated, England. Here is where it is located on a map:

http://www.maps-of-britain.co.uk/images/physical-map-britain.gif
This handy learning aid is now a url. Shadow.

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with your further education!

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Originally by: Battle Dog

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Okay so i read these love stories alot and it never cesses to amaze me that so many so called 'great lovers' think there bad ass sex experts becuase they can put 10 men in on a gang-bang. In most cases such gang-bangs carnt even do that and any semi-competent lover can. I have seen 25 man gang-bangs that couldnt satisfy a fat, old lady, before.

To be honest i dont really consider gang-banging sex, what skills do you need to park men on a woman and do her? Proper sexual experience comes from finding and seducing your targets and manipulating their feelings so you have the advantage before the first clothes are even taken off.

And while im on the subject what ejoyment how do you get it from beng part of a 50 man circle jerk?

I really think the vast majority of lovers dont understand the idea of good lovin over 'that was great we were 50 on 1 and we did her' The one and only reason i have sex is for the manly love between men that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing. If you have never experienced this then i can safely say that as far as i am concerned you are doing it wrong.

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