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Battle Dog Minmatar Bushwhackers Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.03.07 09:23:00 - [1] Okay so i read these forums alot and it never cesses to amaze me that so many so called 'pirates' think there bad ass PVP experts becuase they can put 10 ships on a gate and pop anything that comes through. In most cases such camps carnt even do that and any semi-competent frig or AF pilot can get through. I have seen 25 man camps that couldnt catch a BS before. To be honest i dont really consider gate camping PVP, what skills do you need to park ships on a gate and shoot haulers and noobs? Proper PVP experience comes from finding and catching your targets and manipulating situations so you have the advantage before the first shots are even fired. And while im on the subject what ejoyment do you FW nublets get from beng part of a 50 man gang that does nothing but fly around aimlessy looking for people to gank or a gate to camp? I really think the vast majority of players dont understand the idea of good fights over 'that was great we were 50 on 1 and we won' The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing. If you have never experienced this then i can safely say that as far as i am concerned you are doing it wrong. Okay let the carebare whine and the 'f u im bad ass' flames begin... BD Live Fast Die Free!
Alchemist's Alt Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.03.07 09:27:00 - [2] Are you related to Butter Dog? Also what is 'PvP' in your pretty blue eyes? Blobbing / camping is STILL PvP you may find it lame, but it is PvP and you will have to accept that, I find it lame and gay too but it is PvP FIRST!!
Battle Dog Minmatar Bushwhackers Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.03.07 09:32:00 - [3] I dont dispute that it is tecnically PVP the problem i have is that poeple think this makes them good at PVP and no not related to Butter Dog lol or that carebear caldari that dares to use the name battledog ( my corpies and aliiance mates keep contracting him **** lol ) Live Fast Die Free!
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.03.07 10:17:00 - [4] Edited by: Ran Khanon on 07/03/2010 10:17:22 Originally by: Battle Dog I dont dispute that it is tecnically PVP the problem i have is that poeple think this makes them good at PVP and no not related to Butter Dog lol or that carebear caldari that dares to use the name battledog ( my corpies and aliiance mates keep contracting him **** lol ) I don't think you can generalize so easily. I for instance, did some FW and flew along in some blobs and got in on some killmails. Nonetheless I consider myself still very bad at pvp ^_^ Pvp and fights or war in general are about winning, not about even odds or fairness; try tournaments for that. History teaches us that outnumbering your opponent is a great tactic to 'win' a fight. Now to get to the heart of the matter; please show us on the doll where the nasty blob touched you. Support Lana's new bounty system.
Battle Dog Minmatar Bushwhackers Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.03.07 10:30:00 - [5] Originally by: Ran Khanon Edited by: Ran Khanon on 07/03/2010 10:17:22 Now to get to the heart of the matter; please show us on the doll where the nasty blob touched you. Look me up in game and it should be obvious that im not a carebear whining about being blobbed lol Live Fast Die Free!
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.07 10:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Battle Dog To be honest i dont really consider gate camping PVP, what skills do you need to park ships on a gate and shoot haulers and noobs? Ok, let's hear your definition of PvP: Originally by: Battle Dog Proper PVP experience comes from finding and catching your targets and manipulating situations so you have the advantage before the first shots are even fired. Let's break it down: 1. Finding your target: Most people pass through gates, thus a gate is a logical place to find a target. 2. Catching your target: Well, any good gate camp will catch a target. If they don't, they suck. 3. Manipulating situation so that you have the advantage: I'd say a gate camp has this one covered. So... stop poasting?
Battle Dog Minmatar Bushwhackers Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.03.07 10:51:00 - [7] okay aside from the fact that i am replying to a member of TRAPS whose highlight seems to be 'i like to dec nub corps in empire' if you read the rest of my orignal post i also talk about good fights that are actually fun and enjoyable. A gate camp is boring and not a good fight by a long shot. While it is an affective tactic for securing space to some degree its not really interesting beyond that. I am going to go ahead and assume that since you seemed to be defending this that you also believe that gate camping makes you good at PVP and since you probably do it in empire during war decs that this makes you a 'doubly hard bad ass mofo PVPer' Come back with something usual to say please.... Live Fast Die Free!
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.03.07 11:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Battle Dog While it is an affective tactic for securing space to some degree its not really interesting beyond that. It is interesting to win fights with. As in: wtfpwn everything that comes through. But you'd better be in a large blob and/or have scouts out, or you will get destroyed by a bigger blob eventually. Also you need good tacklers to get cloackies and a decent FC who makes sure everyone is positioned the right way and isn't flying in useless ships, etc, etc. I don't think blobbers regard it as an activity which takes much of their skill though (once something is tackled it becomes a race for the killmail) and I think most people realize that solo pvp or small gang versus small gang are the most exciting, challenging forms of pvp in EVE where individual player skill is the deciding factor. Who could disagree on that? Support Lana's new bounty system.
Arch Widowmaker Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.03.07 11:12:00 - [9] I consider gatecamping as a Pirate's PvE activity. Like missions, it's pretty boring and dosn't make you any better, but it does provide some nice isk if you can keep your gang size to a minimum.
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.07 11:13:00 - [10] Sorry, gonna have to dissect your poast there, Dog. Originally by: Battle Dog okay aside from the fact that i am replying to a member of TRAPS whose highlight seems to be 'i like to dec nub corps in empire' You obviously don't know anything about TRAPS. Read one of Nexa's stories. They're pretty good. Originally by: Battle Dog if you read the rest of my orignal post i also talk about good fights that are actually fun and enjoyable. What you said in your post was what I replied to. Who are you to determine what people find fun and enjoyable? Are you arrogant enough to actually think your style of playing is better than someone else's? Also, ~goodfights~ are fun, but very rare. If you did nothing but ~goodfights~ you might have had a point, but given your combat record, I am going to assume that your OP is a troll. Originally by: Battle Dog A gate camp is boring and not a good fight by a long shot. While it is an affective tactic for securing space to some degree its not really interesting beyond that. You are free to refrain from doing it. Originally by: Battle Dog I am going to go ahead and assume that since you seemed to be defending this that you also believe that gate camping makes you good at PVP and since you probably do it in empire during war decs that this makes you a 'doubly hard bad ass mofo PVPer' TRAPS rarely have enough people online at any one time to form a gate camp, so no, we don't do it. If we have enough people online and we have a war target in a system, we will set up on a gate, because that's the best way of catching him. As opposed to you however, I don't feel the need to aspire to be a "hard bad ass mofo PvPer". I only aspire to have fun. Originally by: Battle Dog Come back with something usual to say please.... Definitely stop poasting.
Noir Avlaa Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.03.07 11:27:00 - [11] Would you consider, for example, dropping a carrier on any force every time a pilot in your alliance that gets attacked better than gate camping?
Battle Dog Minmatar Bushwhackers Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.03.07 11:27:00 - [12] lol you are going to critise my combat record on battle clinic when yours is less than impressive? I have read plenty of nex's story's but doesnt mean i respect TRAPS at all, If you had a decent combat record your self and were not in a corp that speacialises in shooting nubs in empire then i might value your opinion at something more than a whiny forum warrior that believes there some kind of hero with 8 kills on there entire combat record Live Fast Die Free!
Noir Avlaa Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.03.07 11:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Noir Avlaa Would you consider, for example, dropping a carrier on any force every time a pilot in your alliance that gets attacked better than gate camping? Question still stands.
Battle Dog Minmatar Bushwhackers Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.03.07 11:33:00 - [14] Edited by: Battle Dog on 07/03/2010 11:34:54 Noir no i dont consider it impressive really but im not gonna tell a corp mate to not join a fight if he wants. If i was that concerned i would be flying solo and indulge the little killboard ***** inside by keeping the points awarded at maximum. By the way were you one of the guys i podded with the smarties? just wondered since i detect some whine in your post If you really want to get into an argument here we could discuss how you and your entire 'posse' run and hide whenever we undock more than 2 ships BC sized and up Live Fast Die Free!
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.07 11:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Battle Dog lol you are going to critise my combat record on battle clinic when yours is less than impressive? I'm not criticizing your combat record. I'm highlighting the hypocrisy in your OP where you claim to be all about the ~goodfights~, yet your combat record shows that you gank and blob just like everyone else. Originally by: Battle Dog I have read plenty of nex's story's but doesnt mean i respect TRAPS at all, And I think I can safely say that no one in TRAPS care about the respect from some noname nub in a crap alliance. Originally by: Battle Dog If you had a decent combat record your self and were not in a corp that speacialises in shooting nubs in empire then i might value your opinion at something more than a whiny forum warrior that believes there some kind of hero with 8 kills on there entire combat record You really need to stop poasting at once. Every poast you make shows how dumb you are.
Noir Avlaa Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.03.07 11:46:00 - [16] Haha. Mainly we're in frigates either way, and no, you've never killed me. I think i've been killed by 2 rough necks, once undocking when I first moved into the area and was setting up clones (I didn't know at the time that you were the local alliance). And the next time after taking out a Myrmidon, Hurricane and Maller in 6 RR frigates, in Aeschee. Granted the Myrmidon wasn't RN, but the Maller, Cane, Tempest and Brutix was. Report But you guys give us some good fun every now and then, so i'm not complaining, we actually like having you 2 jumps away :)
Battle Dog Minmatar Bushwhackers Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.03.07 11:56:00 - [17] hehe im sure i was one of the guys you killed in those RR frigs Yeah we do have some good fights with tuskers long may it continue Live Fast Die Free!
Ardashir Sarum Amarr	Posted - 2010.03.07 12:07:00 - [18] Here we go: "Martial Art" or "The Art of War". To be a Warrior or a Soldier. "Martial Art": If we should ever meet at a remote moon or asteroid belt - you the Warrior and me the Terrorist Hunte, who seeks to bring back lost Minmatar Souls to the great Amarr Empire - I guess we'll have a good fight: Battle Dog vs. Ardashir Sarum "The Art of War": Being in a gang or fleet and having a specific mission, I won't be Ardashir Sarum anymore but I'll become whatever my task in the group might be. And you won't be Battle Dog anylonger, but merly a red dot that may have to be neutralized if a threat to our mission. Of course I hope that we meet in the "Martial Art" context - for the sake of of fast heart pumping and a good fight!
Terra Mikael Private Nuisance	Posted - 2010.03.07 12:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Alchemist's Alt Are you related to Butter Dog? /thread tbqfh ___________ Proof that Daniel Jackson is a ret@rded furry
Battle Dog Minmatar Bushwhackers Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.03.07 12:12:00 - [20] Edited by: Battle Dog on 07/03/2010 12:12:34 Originally by: Ardashir Sarum Here we go: "Martial Art" or "The Art of War". To be a Warrior or a Soldier. "Martial Art": If we should ever meet at a remote moon or asteroid belt - you the Warrior and me the Terrorist Hunte, who seeks to bring back lost Minmatar Souls to the great Amarr Empire - I guess we'll have a good fight: Battle Dog vs. Ardashir Sarum "The Art of War": Being in a gang or fleet and having a specific mission, I won't be Ardashir Sarum anymore but I'll become whatever my task in the group might be. And you won't be Battle Dog anylonger, but merly a red dot that may have to be neutralized if a threat to our mission. Of course I hope that we meet in the "Martial Art" context - for the sake of of fast heart pumping and a good fight! Finally someone understands and isnt a ****wit carebare empire hugging gimp <- ( yes you Ba'Rumph ) Live Fast Die Free!
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2010.03.07 12:19:00 - [21] While sympathetic to your general sentiment, I find it funny that you're in Rough Necks who do pretty much nothing but sit in Aeschee, run missions and get farmed by anyone who passes by. On a serious note tho, there is a HUGE difference between forum fame, which is in great part limited to english speaking part of the community and then only those who actually read forums, and in game reality. In my experience there is a rather safe rule which says the more you hear about some corp on forum, the more harmless that corp is. I've learned to respect people I never heard of previously while every loud mouthed and famous pirate corp I actually ran into in game turned out to be rather unimpressive and incompetent. Just stop caring about it and have fun tbh.
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.07 12:23:00 - [22] Edited by: Ba''Rumph on 07/03/2010 12:24:19 Originally by: Battle Dog Finally someone understands and isnt a **wit carebare empire hugging gimp <- ( yes you Ba'Rumph ) U mad? You're still a noname nub, and your alliance is still crap, FYI. /edit: Quote:** While sympathetic to your general sentiment, I find it funny that you're in Rough Necks who do pretty much nothing but sit in Aeschee, run missions and get farmed by anyone who passes by. This tbh.
Battle Dog Minmatar Bushwhackers Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.03.07 12:38:00 - [23] ahh lol is all i can do really... In your opinion what do you think makes a good corp or alliance? Live Fast Die Free!
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.07 13:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Battle Dog ahh lol is all i can do really... Well, you could try to make better threads, but I guess it might be outside your capabilities. Originally by: Battle Dog In your opinion what do you think makes a good corp or alliance? For a pirate alliance, not being farmed by better pirates and other locals. Also, the ability to have fun with each other without epeen measuring like the OP of this thread.
Battle Dog Minmatar Bushwhackers Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.03.07 13:10:00 - [25] im stil lololololol Live Fast Die Free!
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.07 13:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Battle Dog im stil lololololol You really are.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.07 13:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Ba'Rumph You obviously don't know anything about TRAPS. Read one of Nexa's stories. They're pretty good. Except that he passes them as truth when they're fiction based on some 'factual' events. Quote: Who are you to determine what people find fun and enjoyable? Are you arrogant enough to actually think your style of playing is better than someone else's? This is precious right here. A TRAPs member spouting these words when he himself knows the meaning of them. Nexa's one of the biggest carebear haters that abound these forums precisely because of how they choose to play their game. He's made it clear his goal is to grief carebears. And now you put these words together like they should mean something to you. Hilarious and pathetic at the same time. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.07 13:18:00 - [28] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Ba'Rumph You obviously don't know anything about TRAPS. Read one of Nexa's stories. They're pretty good. Except that he passes them as truth when they're fiction based on some 'factual' events. Prove it. Show me examples of things Nexa has made up, please. Many have claimed this but no one has been able to show a signle instance. Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Quote: Who are you to determine what people find fun and enjoyable? Are you arrogant enough to actually think your style of playing is better than someone else's? This is precious right here. A TRAPs member spouting these words when he himself knows the meaning of them. Nexa's one of the biggest carebear haters that abound these forums precisely because of how they choose to play their game. He's made it clear his goal is to grief carebears. And now you put these words together like they should mean something to you. Hilarious and pathetic at the same time. Nexa hates carebears? Has he said this? Well, I can't really speak for Nexa anyway. I certainly don't hate carebears. Has Nexa hurt you at some point to warrant this blind hatred for him and TRAPS?
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.07 13:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Ba'Rumph Prove it. Show me examples of things Nexa has made up, please. Many have claimed this but no one has been able to show a signle instance. I've proved it on a previous thread and you brushed it off. What's the point? Nexa lies and you know it. Anyone that has read his stories knows this. Only his blind followers and his corp keep defending him. Quote: Nexa hates carebears? Has he said this? Well, I can't really speak for Nexa anyway. I certainly don't hate carebears. Has Nexa hurt you at some point to warrant this blind hatred for him and TRAPS? From his posts here in the forums it doesn't take a genious to figure it out. But since you guys aren't exactly the brightest colors from the crayon box, listen to his interview with Eve Radio. He's pretty clear about how he feels about them carebears there. Not like it will change your mind about him. Like I said, you'll blindly defend your carebear leader and CRAPs till the end. So kinda pointless really. And by the way, why do you assume that Nexa has hurt someone when they call you guys carebears? No, never even come close to TRAPs. What I know is from the junk and crappy threads Nexa starts on these threads, usually crying about carebears not wanting to fight him, and the few times I read his works of fiction. I'm just keeping it real. S'all. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.07 13:35:00 - [30] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Ba'Rumph Prove it. Show me examples of things Nexa has made up, please. Many have claimed this but no one has been able to show a signle instance. I've proved it on a previous thread and you brushed it off. What's the point? Nexa lies and you know it. Anyone that has read his stories knows this. Only his blind followers and his corp keep defending him. Link the proof please. Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Quote: Nexa hates carebears? Has he said this? Well, I can't really speak for Nexa anyway. I certainly don't hate carebears. Has Nexa hurt you at some point to warrant this blind hatred for him and TRAPS? From his posts here in the forums it doesn't take a genious to figure it out. Well, you're no genius, so it's safe to say that you might be mistaken. Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 But since you guys aren't exactly the brightest colors from the crayon box, listen to his interview with Eve Radio. He's pretty clear about how he feels about them carebears there. Not like it will change your mind about him. Like I said, you'll blindly defend your carebear leader and CRAPs till the end. So kinda pointless really. Does he say in the interview that he hates carebears? Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 And by the way, why do you assume that Nexa has hurt someone when they call you guys carebears? I don't. I assume he has hurt you because of your emorage. Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 No, never even come close to TRAPs. What I know is from the junk and crappy threads Nexa starts on these threads, usually crying about carebears not wanting to fight him, and the few times I read his works of fiction. I'm just keeping it real. S'all. Keeping it real? Post with your main. Again, even if Nexa truly does hate carebears (which you haven't shown in any way), I don't. I can only speak for myself.

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