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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2010.03.08 23:12:00 -
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They say a picture is worth a thousand words, but one symbol can define an Empire and cause a rift between two peoples.
"Signs of Faith" is a new EVE Chronicle written by CCP Greyscale.
Fallout
Associate Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.03.08 23:22:00 -
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 Originally by: CCP Fallout
They say a picture is worth a thousand words, but one symbol can define an Empire and cause a rift between two peoples.
"Signs of Faith" is a new EVE Chronicle written by CCP Greyscale.
"ERROR: CHRONICLE '08-03-10' NOT FOUND"
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2010.03.08 23:44:00 -
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The Chronicle might not have propagated to all the Web servers yet. Poke me if you still can't view it tomorrow :D
Fallout
Associate Community Manager
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2010.03.09 00:20:00 -
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Fascinating: so we have the three symbols shown in the painting, plus the Khanid logo (fourth), and that fifth symbol about which the instructor speaks very precisely and carefully so as not to disturb the doctrinal authority represented by the glances to the corner of the room.
So what permutation results in the sixth symbol? A 180-degree rotation of the first unbroken symbol, so that man is above god (and thus very upsetting to the Theology Council)? Or perhaps overlaying the man symbol over the god symbol, rather than god on top of man as in the current Amarr symbol?
Also, I hope this signals the start of a series including other logos: Minmatar, Gallente, Caldari, Ammatar, Thukker, other secondary factions...
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.09 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Casiella Truza
So what permutation results in the sixth symbol? A 180-degree rotation of the first unbroken symbol, so that man is above god (and thus very upsetting to the Theology Council)?
That would be my guess.
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Gerard Deneth
Caldari
Pavlov Labs GmBH
Independent Faction
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:01:00 -
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So now even EVE has it's Langdon analog.... fitting he should be amarrian....
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Tau Dades
Caldari
Even End of the Universe
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Dades on 09/03/2010 01:07:53
Edited by: Tau Dades on 09/03/2010 01:07:24
I would interpret that to mean the 6th symbol: man has become god. Assuming Casiella is correct in the design of the 6th symbol
Originally by: Casiella Truza
So what permutation results in the sixth symbol? A 180-degree rotation of the first unbroken symbol, so that man is above god (and thus very upsetting to the Theology Council)? Quote:
from the Chronicle :
"The first men, yes. Unbroken circle, God become man - looks a bit like an upside-down egg, I always thought. That's probably symbolic of something, too... Anyway. First men. This leads toū"
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Tali Nakishi
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:16:00 -
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Lol, the hints =P
So the sixth symbol is "man is god" or "man is above god".
And the Amarr Empress has a monster in her head that controls her.
Enheduanni hints. =P
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Azura Noctis
Amarr
SWARTA
FriendsReunited
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: Azura Noctis on 09/03/2010 01:33:01
Don't forget the ever popular "man creates God". :) Interesting chronicle, can't wait to see where this leads.
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Pesets
The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:41:00 -
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I assume the second symbol on the illustration is supposed to be "man and god separated, with god above". I.e. the god part is the one that's at the bottom in the first picture (which is kinda weird but whatever).
Now, here are the empires' seals:
 
The Khanid one is upside-down (which i guess is what he means by "inverted"), but the "god part" is still "above the man" (overlaid on top of it at least, it's hard to say that one is above the other since they're both at about the same level). Not sure how this means that Khanid II has put himself above the law of god, i guess the fact that it's upside-down means that he's taking the concept and putting it on its head. I guess it also means that this bit is somewhat of a retcon.
The fifth symbol i assume looks like the second one upside down, with "man" above ("in space") and god below (on the planets).
The sixth symbol looks like a non-upside-down egg.
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:44:00 -
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Edited by: Faraelle Brightman on 09/03/2010 01:45:28
Edited by: Faraelle Brightman on 09/03/2010 01:44:24
Originally by: Tau Dades
I would interpret that to mean the 6th symbol: man has become god. Assuming Casiella is correct in the design of the 6th symbol
Originally by: Casiella Truza
So what permutation results in the sixth symbol? A 180-degree rotation of the first unbroken symbol, so that man is above god (and thus very upsetting to the Theology Council)? Quote:
from the Chronicle :
"The first men, yes. Unbroken circle, God become man - looks a bit like an upside-down egg, I always thought. That's probably symbolic of something, too... Anyway. First men. This leads to–"
"The first men, yes. Unbroken circle, God become man - looks a bit like an upside-down egg,
Eggers? (i.e. the capsuleers?)
Quote:
Enheduanni hints.
Tony G has sworn up and down that they had nothing to do with Jamyl.
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Tau Dades
Caldari
Even End of the Universe
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:50:00 -
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I had originally thought capsuleers = men become god.
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Pesets
The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:59:00 -
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Well, you're not alone. Calling capsuleers gods or at least demigods has been done to death already. The whole chronicle is just a shaggy dog story that sets up the ground for a sort of symbolic pun in the end (except it's lamshaded miles ahead when the words "man", "becomes", "god" and "egg" are mentioned in the same sentence).
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AF 447
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Posted - 2010.03.09 02:01:00 -
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can somebody explain again the fifth and the sixth simbol?
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Alice Celadon
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Posted - 2010.03.09 02:09:00 -
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My thought was that the sixth symbol omitted the God part entirely...just a horizontal crescent.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.03.09 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Mara Rinn on 09/03/2010 02:43:48
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 09/03/2010 02:43:01
Originally by: Pesets
Also, classroom discipline feels a bit too liberal for a theology lesson of an empire so hellbent on its religion. Even contemporary catholic schools probably have a stricter classroom discipline. But then i have never attended a catholic school...
If you had attended a Catholic school you'd be aware of the fact that discipline is imposed by God, not the teacher. But then, it depends on whether the teacher is a secular agent in a religous school, or a dyed-in-the-wool Catholic who views it as their God-given vocation to teach these upstarts about the real world ;)
Modern Catholicism is about encouraging people to ask (the right) questions. When they ask (the right) questions you can give them (the right) answers, showing how God has his fingers in every pie. Much as was done in this chronicle - especially when you make it look like the students are getting access to privileged information, to reinforce the dogmatic belief that it came from the teacher, therefore it's right.
For what it's worth, my instinct is that the non-existent sixth symbol would represent Man transcending God (rather than Man becoming God, or man usurping God).
Hokey religion and ancient dogmas are no match for an up-to-date medical clone, kid.
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Tau Dades
Caldari
Even End of the Universe
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Posted - 2010.03.09 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
For what it's worth, my instinct is that the non-existent sixth symbol would represent Man transcending God (rather than Man becoming God, or man usurping God).
there is a very simple pattern to the symbols. I believe you have overlooked it
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TheCursedWriter
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Posted - 2010.03.09 03:30:00 -
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Hell of a good writer!
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.03.09 03:33:00 -
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The first symbol means God come to Earth as man. Inverting it would mean man has left Earth to become God.
Feel free to congratulate me.
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Karanth
Gallente
Independent Fleet
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Posted - 2010.03.09 04:21:00 -
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Anyone who doesn't suck at drawing (like me) feel like drawing the first 5 symbols? I am having issues. 
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Sorry, no. You have to go into wormholes and get farmed by the new AI NPCs like everyone else...
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.09 04:29:00 -
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it drwas forward some of the amarr emerging themes for next expansion
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Expron
The Hunt
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Posted - 2010.03.09 04:53:00 -
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must say very good chronicle, food for the mind
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Koronakesh
Amarr
Varion Galactic
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Posted - 2010.03.09 06:06:00 -
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This chronicle perfectly exemplifies the sort of informative, base fact-providing fiction I want so much more of. A+ work here. 
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Bastet Aiona
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Posted - 2010.03.09 07:44:00 -
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Edited by: Bastet Aiona on 09/03/2010 07:52:39
Please note the arabic script below the Khanid symbol in the image as well.
I can read arabic, and although hard to read, can't make anything intelligible out of it. So I'm presuming it's just artistic stylisation.
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In Latin Letters as well as I can make out. There are no 'dot' designators, so I have to guess on a couple letters. Also, please remember arabic script doesn't designate "syllables" as letters, so the syllables have to be guessed.
LMLM[D?]) L[S?]MR
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.09 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: Kenpachi Viktor on 09/03/2010 07:59:43
Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
Quote:
Enheduanni hints.
Tony G has sworn up and down that they had nothing to do with Jamyl.
I wonder why he had too... 
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Graelyn
Amarr
Storm Genesis
Imperial Raata Directorate
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Posted - 2010.03.09 08:05:00 -
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Heretic Eggs, man.
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Lusulpher
Blackwater Syndicate
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.09 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Karanth
Anyone who doesn't suck at drawing (like me) feel like drawing the first 5 symbols? I am having issues.
Yeah I'm confused as to which parts of which arcs were flipped/broke which arcs...
I definitely need a pic after these comments.
I assumed the 2nd image was downward arc = planets/empire/Manunkind
The upward curved arc = God attempting control/communication.
But then the flipping started.
I also congratulate the guy who said upside down egg, capsuleers leaving the planets for "Godhood". 2001: A Space Odyssey ending of win.
And was a Jamyl representative there to make sure he didn't go to a sixth symbol?! Awesome. This is the Amarrian version of the Gallente teacher chron. Can we get a Jovian one too?
4.2/4.9[still pending explanation and chart, whip something up in MSPaint]
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Jason Wyght
Gallente
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.03.09 08:26:00 -
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I couldn't quite figure out where the school was located...
Judging by the respect the teacher gave emperor Khanid, and the fact that everyone spoke mostly of him, I'd guess they were in the Khanid kingdom, but seeing as everyone here thinks they were in the Amarr empire, I could be wrong...
I'm also one of the people thinking that if there was a sixth symbol, it would depict a capsule(" looks a bit like an upside-down egg"), since it sorta looks like an egg.
The Amarr may be prophetic :O
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Aureleos
Gatos Muertos
Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.03.09 10:20:00 -
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I want to know about the sixth symbol!!! :D
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Sonkut
Minmatar
The Motley Few
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Posted - 2010.03.09 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Pesets
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Also, classroom discipline feels a bit too liberal for a theology lesson of an empire so hellbent on its religion. Even contemporary catholic schools probably have a stricter classroom discipline. But then i have never attended a catholic school...
I understand your view on the Ammar being *hellbent* oppressive but your assumption about catholic class room disciplin is wrong.
< Experienced first hand
I would have thought creationists are the hellbent opinionists your after.
My view on the whole symbolism:
The first symbol means the first man yes? so turning it upside down would simply mean God? That would be a big assumption; alternatively turning symbols upside down in this instance seems to change the interpretation not necessarily the meaning so maybe it would mean the first woman?
If this is the case i would go for another symbol to be the sixth the first symbol is too basic, how about going for a modified first symbol, an egg shape with another circle to represent god to be part of it so you donĘt end up with man but rather man-god or God-man, a hybrid with the body of man but the power of a god.
Makes me think of that symbol we see on our hud all the time, the Pod symbol.
Alternatively it could be to do with the Angel Cartel symbol which looks kind of Amarr esqu, but I thought they were Minmitar cross Gallente and itĘs the bloodraiders that are Minmitar cross Amarr and their Symbol is nothing related.
Lots to think
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.03.09 10:55:00 -
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Quote:
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"What about the sixth?"
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"There is no sixth symbol"
I couldnt help but think of monty python's Bruce sketch.
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2010.03.09 11:00:00 -
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Just to add a little extra spice to the pot, the students' names were all chosen in a particular way, although I'm not sure how obvious it is.
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Louella Dougans
Amarr
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
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Posted - 2010.03.09 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Just to add a little extra spice to the pot, the students' names were all chosen in a particular way, although I'm not sure how obvious it is.
starts with A, mostly goes through alphabet, ends with Z.
too simple?
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.09 11:55:00 -
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getting the students name direction very subtle though ccp wonder if anyone else will spot it
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Yuzary
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Posted - 2010.03.09 12:41:00 -
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First chronicile I've read so far.... i loved it honestly. Im gonna go back and read all the others .. Plz keep making more, I love storyline!!!
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.09 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Just to add a little extra spice to the pot, the students' names were all chosen in a particular way, although I'm not sure how obvious it is.
Student's names in the order they appear in.
Quote:
Annoli Aleine Teilf Teilf Adi Annoli Aleine Rial Indlar Teilf Zweir
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Fumitsugu
Blood Money Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.09 13:26:00 -
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I do enjoy a good chronicle at work now and again, especially when they feature the Khanids, of whom I am a big fan. Excellent work!
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William Walker
Amarr
Skies Tis Moiras
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Posted - 2010.03.09 14:03:00 -
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I love Amarr and this is some interesting stuff about something so simple and overlooked. Albeit, very obvious who are meant. In the end, the sixth symbol looks like the first one upside down? (
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Alex V0X2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.09 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Alex V0X2 on 09/03/2010 14:04:17
Originally by: Kenpachi Viktor
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Just to add a little extra spice to the pot, the students' names were all chosen in a particular way, although I'm not sure how obvious it is.
Student's names in the order they appear in.
Quote:
Annoli Aleine Teilf Teilf Adi Annoli Aleine Rial Indlar Teilf Zweir
CCP's version of omfgaquest! Valve did it better tho...
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Lt Forge
Pilots From Honour
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.09 14:48:00 -
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I smell an Amarrian event coming up 
Will the Empress die in a horrible fire or something?
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Borgh Brainbasher
Path of Now and Forever
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Posted - 2010.03.09 15:03:00 -
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Im still waiting for a "image changed to URl. please don't post forum breaking pictures - Shadow"
anyway, gooood chronicle, should get the IGS people on their toes :)
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Fergus Runkle
Minmatar
Truth and Reconciliation Council
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Posted - 2010.03.09 15:26:00 -
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Taking a jump at the student names thing, mentioned in order they are
Annoli
Garund
Aleine
Teilf
Adi
Rial
(Zweir - not sure if he is a proper student)
The pattern of the initial letters of the students A G A T A, reminds me of (certainly the GATA) Human DNA encoding. (Please note I'm no bio-chemist and am just working from pattern recognition)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GATA_transcription_factor
and perhaps cloning ?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC15332/?tool=pubmed
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Tietokone-Uirusu
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Posted - 2010.03.09 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 09/03/2010 15:26:24
Very interesting
The sixth symbol, and perhaps more insight into the evolution of the symbols? 
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2010.03.09 17:15:00 -
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Yeah, OK, so it's not obvious The student names are all pulled out of our old Minmatar name generator - it was more topical when I wrote it this time last year, but I imagine that this process is still ongoing.
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Julian Darklight
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Posted - 2010.03.09 17:21:00 -
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amazing writing. i admire the writing quality of this peace. promo for whoever wrote it! lol
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Tietokone-Uirusu
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Posted - 2010.03.09 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Yeah, OK, so it's not obvious The student names are all pulled out of our old Minmatar name generator - it was more topical when I wrote it this time last year, but I imagine that this process is still ongoing.
So, freed slaves?
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Nie'eine Hier
Net 7
The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2010.03.09 17:42:00 -
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there won¦t be any Reclaiming more ? new era new direction: assimilation ? or another horror plan of the heirs to put brother against brother .
is a very good intrigue in this story. give to think for long terms and makes me want more to read the following one :).
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.03.09 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Yeah, OK, so it's not obvious The student names are all pulled out of our old Minmatar name generator - it was more topical when I wrote it this time last year, but I imagine that this process is still ongoing.
Are these children amongst those of a certain generation of slaves that were freed by Jamyl? And can we have Khanid finally become a recognized heir? Pretty-please with isk sprinkles on top?
Silas Vitalia
CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Open for Recruitment!
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.03.09 18:45:00 -
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What I want to know is if you can maybe ever release those generators for us to play with. :D
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari
Hashimoto Corporation
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Posted - 2010.03.09 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Vitalia
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Yeah, OK, so it's not obvious The student names are all pulled out of our old Minmatar name generator - it was more topical when I wrote it this time last year, but I imagine that this process is still ongoing.
Are these children amongst those of a certain generation of slaves that were freed by Jamyl? And can we have Khanid finally become a recognized heir? Pretty-please with isk sprinkles on top?
Dear Silas,
Your old signature was amazing. Please change it back.
Regards,
An OOC fan of your IC shenanigans
Also, loved this chronicle. Moar Amarr Online. :)
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.03.09 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Dear Silas,
Your old signature was amazing. Please change it back.
Regards,
An OOC fan of your IC shenanigans
Also, loved this chronicle. Moar Amarr Online. :)
Thanks! It's on a shuffle with three different ones right now, should change every time you load the page. If you are referring to the -old- one from a few years back, I'll put it back into the rotation.
And yes, very nice to get some Khanid love with this chronicle, here's hoping for more!
Silas Vitalia
CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Open for Recruitment!
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Drakthon
Amarr
Dark. Dawn
Fear Th3 Vampires
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Posted - 2010.03.09 20:11:00 -
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I was thinking the 2nd symbol was inverted. The Symbol of man pointing towards the heavens, with the symbol of God pointing towards the ground.
It more represents the individuality of Capsuleers. What's the point of believe in a god when you are called one? No need for the first 5 symbols anymore.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.09 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Yeah, OK, so it's not obvious The student names are all pulled out of our old Minmatar name generator - it was more topical when I wrote it this time last year, but I imagine that this process is still ongoing.
They did strike me as very unamarrian names. Glad I was on to something.
Seeing as it seems to be a Khanid classroom, it might be a quite metropolitan culture with quite a few Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar immigrants as well as released slaves among the citizenry...
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Angelzin
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Posted - 2010.03.09 21:48:00 -
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This is Ammatar classroom.
Thats why they speak favorably of Khanid Empire as it split from Amarr cause they believed in something different.
Thats why teacher is looking at the corner of room to monitor reactions from his censor.
Man is above God.
Ammatar could be prepearing to split from Amarr Empire too.
Not sure if they will go solo or they might join Khanid Empire.
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Kiko Tojima
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Posted - 2010.03.10 07:11:00 -
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In this context the Jove symbol looks very interesting...
And, agree, it might be an Ammatar class room.
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LOL56
Woopatang
Primary.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 09:00:00 -
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Well as far as the Jove symbol goes, it could perhaps be a very squared off version of the 'god' half, although that (more than) a bit of a stretch. still (oddly square) gods somehow seems appropriate for the Jove. I'm probably looking too hard thought.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.10 11:35:00 -
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very good and sneaky writing keep em coming i smell a big amarr event coming to
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Natalie Mia
Minmatar
Serenity Systems Inc
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Posted - 2010.03.10 17:40:00 -
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This chronicle was really good and it helps put the relationships of the governments in to perspective. I do not like the Amarr at all. Not just because of the race of my character but also for my real life beliefs. I have issues with those who push their religion on others. I have been told that my soul will be dammed because I do not believe what they believe and that if I act now I could be "saved". I have issues with that kind of thought. I believe that when our time comes, our actions in life will dictate our fate no matter what our living religion is. This chronicle also leads me to believe that there are others in this game that share some of my beliefs. I would love to learn more of the Minmatar and their culture. The stories here are kinda limited when it comes to the background on the Minmatar.
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RIP Wash
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.10 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: RIP Wash on 10/03/2010 19:05:43
I would say anything that affects the Amarr affects the Minmitar and vice-versa.
here is a recent chronicle from the Minmitar perspective,
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=21-09-09
There have been lots of recent events with the return of the elders fleet and rescue of Nefantar, I believe the novels cover it.
I agree the Amarr are/would be despicable in our world, but in a scifi game they work very well.
Every story needs conflict and the Amarr/Minmitar provide plenty.
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Chirjo Durruti
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.10 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Casiella Truza
So what permutation results in the sixth symbol? A 180-degree rotation of the first unbroken symbol, so that man is above god
Same permutation, other interpretation: the first gods, man becomes god, khanid II/man becomes god by rejecting the rules of god.
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Seditious Spyke
Amarr
b.b.k
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.03.11 00:19:00 -
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This chronicle was very enticing and rewarding, i now understand my personal urge to join the Khanid kingdom
man over god, god over man etc
however
the simple awnser of the sixth symbol, is sideways,
forbidden simply because it argue that god is equal to man,
possibly extrapolation of this forbidden symbol is that the side of man would be coloured amarrian gold, and the god side khanid dark/gunmetal.
Simple elegant and highly offensive
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Admiral Rutledge
Caldari
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2010.03.11 23:59:00 -
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I'm a complete noob who finds these chronicles enriching the experience of Eve. They perpetuate the game world as ever changing and growing and really allow me to feel involved.
Anyway, the "Capsuler" idea is intriguing to me. As for symbols design, one that I haven't seen mentioned yet would be the semi-circle adjacent to the semi-circle with the egg in symmetry (Example: a "U" inside a "U") either inverted or not.
I don't know, maybe this is just the senseless ramblings of a noob.
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KoffeeKup
Caldari
Hyperion Ore Mining Enterprises
Hyperion Rising
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Posted - 2010.03.12 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Pesets
Well, you're not alone. Calling capsuleers gods or at least demigods has been done to death already. The whole chronicle is just a shaggy dog story that sets up the ground for a sort of symbolic pun in the end (except it's lamshaded miles ahead when the words "man", "becomes", "god" and "egg" are mentioned in the same sentence).
I agree, if you read Jovian Wet Grave, the capsule is described as a giant black egg. And as a capsulieers, you are immortal, but still used to be mortal, so it makes sense it would be something like 'man becomes god in egg(capsule)'
The triangle on the 6th symbol would be pointing up, and the circle would mean earth or man. So men rise off earth in eggs to become gods.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.12 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Seditious Spyke
the simple awnser of the sixth symbol, is sideways,
No, you're not getting it. It's very simple, and far more potent than what you're suggesting:
First symbol - Circle with point downward: God creates/becomes Man
Second symbol - Crescent with downward point above plain crescent: Man is separated from God, and rules the earth without Him.
Third symbol - Crescents intersecting with point downward: Man approaches heaven, united under God's law.
Fourth symbol - Crescents intersecting with point upward: Man approaches heaven, united under Man's law.
Fifth symbol - Crescent with upward point under plain crescent: Man is separated from God, and rules the heaven without Him.
Sixth symbol - Circle with point upward: Man creates/becomes God
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RNKot
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Posted - 2010.03.12 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: RNKot on 12/03/2010 09:54:57
6th symbol
Man = God
sorry for poor quality
Great Chronicle, thanks!!!
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Dr Amira
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.03.14 21:24:00 -
[66]
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Here's an image of all the symbols referenced in the Chronicle:
Image Linked
As you can see, there are six images ;)
Fixed it for ya ;)
Dr. Raimus Amira,
Lecturer in Hypereuclidean Geometry,
Science and Trade Institute
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Kira Sobaseki
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Posted - 2010.03.18 21:21:00 -
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The original sign was an inverted egg, anyone who has ever been podded realizes that the next step is the resurrection/rebirth in a new clone. Therefore Immortality, thus transcending the limitations of humanity. The inverted egg would respresent the capsuleers pod in space living an immortal life through cloning. If there is no death then why worship and Ammarian god living in an afterlife. If there is no fear of a deity then can there be control through theocracy? Ideas can be very dangerous. |
Telinturco
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Posted - 2010.03.20 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Telinturco on 20/03/2010 09:53:54
Originally by: Casiella Truza
So what permutation results in the sixth symbol? A 180-degree rotation of the first unbroken symbol, so that man is above god (and thus very upsetting to the Theology Council)? Or perhaps overlaying the man symbol over the god symbol, rather than god on top of man as in the current Amarr symbol?
The sixth symbol is just a circle.
1st: God is alone.
2nd: God is separate from man. God is reaching out to man.
3rd (Amarr): God and man are joined imperfectly. God is supreme.
4th (Khanid): God and man are joined imperfectly. Man is supreme.
5th: Man is separate from God. Man has left God.
6th: Man is alone.
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Grikath
Caldari
SWARTA
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Posted - 2010.03.21 13:33:00 -
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Not really Telinturco...
Khanid himself may be a deeply religious man. He simply denies the Religious Council the right to dictate his policies, and his death.
Khanid's situation is not unlike that of the Tudors in England in the late 14th/early 15th century: He is tremendously powerful, rules a vertable empire of worlds, but is still subjugate to the whims of a clutch of conservative old men who have an entirely different agenda than him, simply because "custom" demands it.
The end result, really, is the same.
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Blake Rathen
Caldari
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.25 20:16:00 -
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Loved this Chron. But in light of the symbolism presented here, what is the interpretation of the 'Khanid' bloodline symbol?
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spaceangel1
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Posted - 2010.03.25 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Dades
Originally by: Mara Rinn
For what it's worth, my instinct is that the non-existent sixth symbol would represent Man transcending God (rather than Man becoming God, or man usurping God).
there is a very simple pattern to the symbols. I believe you have overlooked it
hehe i thought the same but im stupid lol
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testing alsnwos
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Posted - 2010.03.30 01:35:00 -
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nice work... As I'm not really into role playing I couldn't help but click and read this short story. Excellent writing I like the idea of a religion for the populace of new eden to hold on to.
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Uronksur Suth
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Posted - 2010.03.30 06:57:00 -
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Fascinating, so interesting to finally have those little details of the EVE universe explained. My compliments to CCP Greyscale. 
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Kurisar
Gallente
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.04.03 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pesets
Edited by: Pesets on 09/03/2010 01:46:23
I assume the second symbol on the illustration is supposed to be "man and god separated, with god above". I.e. the god part is the one that's at the bottom in the first picture (which is kinda weird but whatever).
Now, here are the empires' seals:
The Khanid one is upside-down (which i guess is what he means by "inverted"), but the "god part" is still "above the man" (overlaid on top of it at least, it's hard to say that one is above the other since they're both at about the same level). Not sure how this means that Khanid II has put himself above the law of god, i guess the fact that it's upside-down means that he's taking the concept and putting it on its head. I guess it also means that this bit is somewhat of a retcon.
The fifth symbol i assume looks like the second one upside down, with "man" above ("in space") and god below (on the planets).
The sixth symbol looks like a non-upside-down egg.
add
Also, classroom discipline feels a bit too liberal for a theology lesson of an empire so hellbent on its religion. Even contemporary catholic schools probably have a stricter classroom discipline. But then i have never attended a catholic school...
I think it represents a sort of more atheist philosophy in the khanid. The Amarr symbol shows god coming descending into man to lift them to enlightenment or whatever, and the khanid symbol shows god coming up out of man, as an invention of man.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.13 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: testing alsnwos
nice work... As I'm not really into role playing I couldn't help but click and read this short story. Excellent writing I like the idea of a religion for the populace of new eden to hold on to.
who wrote it? main dev i think, dev from day one.
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Shak'Rah
The Unforgettables
Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.05.30 03:54:00 -
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i may be the only one thinking this but perhaps the six symbols represents the full cycle of humanity? after all, everyone started in ships coming through the eden wormhole/gate thing. humanity in ships, original capsuleers perhaps. (1st symbol).
after the closing of the eden portal man fell into disunity and dark ages; we became separated from our original space-going selves and became earth-bound mortals (2nd symbol).
we then regained our ability to fly in space and began expanding into the unknown, before jovian interaction and before the jove gave humanity the capsules showing imperfection. still below original selves. (3rd symbol).
we have now gained the ability to attain immortality, i.e. cloning, and we have the pods/capsules. humanity is still fractured, and there is chaos and war. god still reigns. (4th symbol)
humanity has reached a common ground, peace among all races and peoples has been attained, and technology leaps forward. all people (not just capsuleers) are immortal(?). we are starting to no longer need god, religion fades (?). (5th symbol)
finally, humanity has joined and moved forward; the small arrow points up as we have surpassed our original selves. we are equal or greater than the jove, originally perceived as gods (another interesting reference). (6th symbol).
another interesting possibility is that this all relates to the jove; the first symbol shows original humans with the jove, then the split, then as we come closer to them (space-faring) and then come closer and closer; by the 5th symbol we've at least equaled or surpassed them and if the sixth symbol is a circle with the arrow up, it could mean we have integrated with the jove and/or they have integrated into us. perfection?
last possibility is that all the symbols are referring to the eve gate (shown as a circle) and how we came from the gate (arrow down). the 2nd-5th symbols show our progress towards being able to transverse the gate again, and the final symbol, a complete circle with the arrow facing up, shows us once again going through the gate into the great unknown. perhaps we have made it stable now? control where we go?
so many theories and questions, so many relations and possibilities...
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