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coeira
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Posted - 2010.03.10 10:32:00 -
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this is the 2nd time you've tried to do this venture in 3 days. the first time you where told such a large amount of money without collateral would be extremely hard to raise because of the scam risk.
and last time you where asking for the money to be sent to grendell this time your wanting to handle the investors money and the lottery money yourself so doubling the amount you could run off with.
First offering
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coeira
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Posted - 2010.03.10 11:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Kain Rehel
Easy there partner, the link you provide is me asking for 1 or 2 investors, and got all your replies, took that information and made a plan to do it this way. Threw corp shares, and then pay dividends. That link was my first idea, this is a totally different approach. Do not accuse me of scamming. I have been taking everyones suggestions and trying to make this work.
doesn't matter if its 1 or 2 investors or 50-100. your still not giving any way for an investor to get there money back. the only 2 differences between your orginal offer and this is you firstly did a business plan. and now instead of looking for 1 or 2 to take a massive punt on you being trust worthy your wanting a lot more people to make that punt now.
except you want to hold all the cash so that would be 30 billion isk in your bank account. thats an awful lot of money and temptation for somebody essically given neither the investors not the lottery winners would have any way to make sure they get there prize or money back.
because if i was going to scam like this with an md offering on my lottery the first thing i'd do is go and create the next lottery or lotteries and say "in the past i've used grendell to hold the prizes but the MD community have now backed my business to the tune of 15 billion so I wont be using his service in this lottery but my MD backers will confirm we have the prize in place"
and then you run off to onto another alt with 30 billion more then you could make in 3 years doing your lottery.
it may not be a scam but its got the smell of one. even more so given the fact that doing a lottery as somebody has pointed out already you dont need all the capital up front to do it.
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coeira
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Posted - 2010.03.31 12:08:00 -
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yeah I finding it funny, the biggest investor in this offering has 3-4 billion invested and is only an 18 day old alt.
most of the investors seem to be as you said very new alts or members of kains allaince.
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coeira
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Posted - 2010.03.31 14:08:00 -
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yeah but your only 1 of the small investors you've put in what 50 mil? that is a punt for all purposes if he runs off with your cash you haven't lost a lot. but most of the investors with over 150-200 mil have only invested using alts or are members of the op's alliance.
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coeira
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Posted - 2010.03.31 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: FarosWarrior
TBH that I'm investing in this thing is quite remarkable as it is the first non-collateralized or third-party secured investment I've made since I started
dude you invested what 40 mil? i've gifted more then that this week online to corp mates. i'm sure if I was going to invest in any IPO I wouldn't be bothered about collateral for such a small amount of money.
as for your point about the alliance I can fully understand people wanting to invest in somebody they know from there alliance. but from a point the outside looking in. all the large investment come from random alts with no posting history or alliance mates of the op.
now there's nearly 8000 shares left of the ipo which is about 9.5 billion. if you where looking to scam people and make and investment look legit it wouldn't be hard to get alts and alliance mates to post about an fake investments to sucker in real investors would it?
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