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Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.11 06:13:00 - [1] Originally by: RavenPaine Rattlesnake gets 4 launcher hardpoints ~~with no damage bonus~~ and a 50% damage bonus to drones. Fixed. Quote: CCP whats up ? Anybody else , am I missing something ? Yes. The huge damage bonus the Rattler gets. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.11 11:00:00 - [2] Originally by: Rip Striker Whatever you guys are debating, fact remains: Yes, this game lacks missile based pirate faction ships. Yes, CCP has neglected to account for all the players with +10M skill points in missiles. Yes, once again Caldari got shafted! No. That's not a fact, just an incorrect assumption that Caldari = missiles and vice versa. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.11 11:21:00 - [3] Originally by: Naomi Knight Originally by: Tippia No. That's not a fact, just an incorrect assumption that Caldari = missiles and vice versa. So there are rail or ecm based pirate ships, right? Oh wait... Well, for one, there's a missile-based pirate ship. For the other, there's more to Caldari than that, and it's covered as well. If that's the road you want to go down, there are plenty of complaints to go around. Why is there no damp/scram pirate ship? Gallente got screwed. Why is there no Amarr/Gallente-combo ship? They both got screwed. Why is there no Minny/Caldari-combo? They got screwed. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.11 12:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Rip Striker Imo, 3 missile damage mods on a ship with no missile damage bonus is kind of a waste of low slots. You don't subscribe to the notion that range bonuses can drastically improve your damage, I take it? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.11 12:23:00 - [5] Originally by: Rip Striker A missile velocity bonus does not make it right to call it 'missile based ship'. The pirate ships with missile velocity bonus are drone based ships …except for the fact that they can get more damage out of their missiles (which you'd know if you actually had a clue about missiles), and except for the fact that in this case, the missile damage is on par with (and can even exceed) the drone damage. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.11 12:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Naomi Knight Oh you should stop posting No. Quote: first that fit doesnt have a target painter nor a web ,how would a torp do full dps then Same way as every other ship. Quote: Oh and lone missile velo bonus wont make it useable. Sure it does. Just learn to fit and fly your ship to take advantage of it. It's hardly rocket surgery… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.11 13:01:00 - [7] Edited by: Tippia on 11/03/2010 13:02:19 Originally by: Naomi Knight oh that fit doesnt even have a prop module so how it should dictacte range? there is no advantage you can take ,btw other ships using torps actually have target painters You keep harping on about "that fit", which has nothing to do with what I'm saying, so why are you quoting me? I assume you're talking about the horrid one in post #9? Yes, it's a crap fit, but that doesn't change the fact that extra range can easily be translated into extra damage. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.11 20:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Naomi Knight Still there are no pirate ships which main weapons are missiles/caldari origin-->caldari shafted. No. At best you could argue that one pirate ship with no direct missile damage bonus → missile users shafted. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.11 21:01:00 - [9] Edited by: Tippia on 11/03/2010 21:04:44 Originally by: Naomi Knight But missile users are mainly caldari pilots, …and Amarr and Minmatar. Hell, all races have torp boats. You're basing your view of the Caldari on the vast amounts of Ravenkind-flying mission runners (for which the Rattler is an excellent alternative, being a missile boat and all). Quote: also can you see any rail or ecm pirate ships? Rail? Yes. Plenty. ECM? No, but again: you can't see any scram/damp/TD/TP pirate ships either. Of course, there's also the fact that Caldari boats do nasty things when equipped with blasters, which you seem to keep forgetting. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.12 22:59:00 - [10] Originally by: RavenPaine As for the Rokh , it doesnt get any damage bonus for guns …except that you do, as previously explained. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki

Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.13 11:02:00 - [11] Originally by: RavenPaine The ship description is clearly "Optimal Range" I agree that it can create more damage . But only when you apply the word "If" .EG If you fly closer or If he flies closer If you train the skill up Etc. Etc. No. No "if" is needed. The description says "optimal range". This means that at the same range, you can select to do more damage than a ship that does not have that optimal range bonus. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.13 13:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Jacob Stov Right, and that means nothing "if" the target sits right next to you. Same crap as with the Rokh, it kinda works only at longer ranges, and then in many cases is still infirior to streight damage bonus that works from 0-250km. …which works "if" the target is within optimal. So it work out the same, only at the other end of the spectrum. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.13 17:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Jacob Stov Caldari had one outstanding ship: the Raven, for PvE. When was the last time Caldari had something like the 8 HS Geddon or the Gankmega, you could find four years ago at every second lowsec gate ? You mean like the Raven? Or the Drake for that matter…? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki

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