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Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.03.11 16:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Admiral Pelleon Originally by: Grimpak racial -10% cap usage bonus should be replaced for +1 mid slot per level. The retribution would actually be decent! and by "decent" you mean "totally awesome" right? 5/6/5 ret, 4/7/4 crusader, 5/8/7 zealot, 8/8/8 geddon ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.03.11 18:24:00 - [32] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Admiral Pelleon Originally by: Grimpak racial -10% cap usage bonus should be replaced for +1 mid slot per level. The retribution would actually be decent! and by "decent" you mean "totally awesome" right? 5/6/5 ret, 4/7/4 crusader, 5/8/7 zealot, 8/8/8 geddon 5/11/4 curse 4/10/5 pilgrim --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.03.11 18:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Admiral Pelleon Originally by: Grimpak racial -10% cap usage bonus should be replaced for +1 mid slot per level. The retribution would actually be decent! and by "decent" you mean "totally awesome" right? 5/6/5 ret, 4/7/4 crusader, 5/8/7 zealot, 8/8/8 geddon 5/11/4 curse 4/10/5 pilgrim Neither of those get the cap use bonus lol nub ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
TV Evangelist	Posted - 2010.03.11 22:28:00 - [34] Quote: racial -10% cap usage bonus should be replaced for +1 mid slot per level. Well done brother, clearly you have the gift!
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.03.11 23:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Admiral Pelleon The retribution would actually be decent! and by "decent" you mean "totally awesome" right? 5/6/5 ret, 4/7/4 crusader, 5/8/7 zealot, 8/8/8 geddon 5/11/4 curse 4/10/5 pilgrim Neither of those get the cap use bonus lol nub Originally by: TV Evangelist Quote: racial -10% cap usage bonus should be replaced for +1 mid slot per level. Well done brother, clearly you have the gift! I bare gifts, gifts of pestilence, war and famine. and the occasional b-day cake and bombs. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
MaraudR73	Posted - 2010.03.14 02:39:00 - [36] Just give the Retribution an extra midslot so it can tackle ffs! or just create a tackling module used in low-slots :D
KahnKahn	Posted - 2010.03.18 17:09:00 - [37] TROLZ I think you should stop being a kill mail who** and buy some Virtue implants already...
Shiho Weitong Caldari Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.18 18:01:00 - [38] Originally by: Max Tux while your at it give rockets 1) citadel torpedo damage 2) 10,000m explosion velocity 3) 5m explosion radius 4) 10,000m/s velocity 5) 60s flighttime that should sort out the imbalance :D I came!
Bomberlocks Minmatar Star Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.19 10:28:00 - [39] Edited by: Bomberlocks on 19/03/2010 10:31:30 I don't fly Amarr and have only experimented with a toon on a secondary character and really like the lasers and their damage. All the whiners about lasers seem to conveniently forget that for a number of years until january of this year with Dominion, lasers were by far the best weapons, now they're just excellent. No one else has the range Scorch crystals for their short range weapons or the ability to instareload crystals. The rest of us have to wait 10 seconds for weapon reloads making reloading in combat impractical. Also, as a number of people here have said, the T2 ships are amongst the best their is in the game. The Sentinel, Crusader, Curse, Zealot, Pilgrim, Guardian, Damnation etc are the amongst the best in their class, and the Punisher, Arby and Harby are very good as well (Harby is second only to the Drake in BCs). And I won't even mention Amarr BS because then I'll just get angry, as no other race is so good that sniper fleets are mostly Apocs, close in fleets Baddons or Geddons (hell, the geddon got a drone bay boost in Dominion!). The Amarr's only problem is that a few ships, the Omen, Maller and the Retribution have significant defects in fittings and/or slots. Personally, I think it's about time that Gallente got a boost to Blaster range and Rail damage. It takes an angry panda Amarr pilot less time to train up to Minnie Frigates and Autocannons than it does a Minnie/Gallente/Caldari pilot to train up to a Curse or Zealot. In other words, all races have their poor ships. If anything, give the Retribution a second mid, but I think that other races have more issues at the moment. Edit: The Vengeance will get the same improvements as the Caldari boats will when rockets are buffed this year.
VanNostrum	Posted - 2010.03.19 10:35:00 - [40] Originally by: Bomberlocks for a number of years until january of this year with Dominion, lasers were by far the best weapons wat?
Bomberlocks Minmatar Star Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.19 10:54:00 - [41] Originally by: VanNostrum Originally by: Bomberlocks for a number of years until january of this year with Dominion, lasers were by far the best weapons wat? Don't be facetious, mate. Large projectile weapons, both AC and arty were totally inferior until Dominion. Poor dps, poor range, poor tracking. Now arties have good alpha, AC ammo has good damage and imprved ammo types, but they certainly don't do as much damage as lasers do, and they don't have scorch t2 ammo. Railguns still suffer from poor damage and poor tracking, blasters suffer from poor range and tracking and who on earth uses cruise missiles in PvP? Torps are good for close in damage, but that's about all. There's a reason most BS fleets have a large percentage of Amarr BS.
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.03.19 10:59:00 - [42] Originally by: Bomberlocks Originally by: VanNostrum Originally by: Bomberlocks for a number of years until january of this year with Dominion, lasers were by far the best weapons wat? Don't be facetious, mate. Large projectile weapons, both AC and arty were totally inferior until Dominion. Poor dps, poor range, poor tracking. Now arties have good alpha, AC ammo has good damage and imprved ammo types, but they certainly don't do as much damage as lasers do, and they don't have scorch t2 ammo. Railguns still suffer from poor damage and poor tracking, blasters suffer from poor range and tracking and who on earth uses cruise missiles in PvP? Torps are good for close in damage, but that's about all. There's a reason most BS fleets have a large percentage of Amarr BS. I think he's "wat"ing at the implication that since dominion, lasers are no longer by far the best weapons - a claim with which I agree but which should not be taken for granted. I think overall they're still on top but projectiles are an awful lot closer now.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.03.19 10:59:00 - [43] Originally by: VanNostrum Originally by: Bomberlocks for a number of years until january of this year with Dominion, lasers were by far the best weapons wat? Pay him no mind. As he said he has no idea what the hell he is talking about - Amarr T2 Cruisers are top-notch. But hardly alone at the top. - Amarr BS are top-notch, but nowhere near as godly as some would have you think. Cap reliance is a *****. - Damnation is only "good" because of the prevalence of armour buffers and its ability to field a whopper itself - ship itself is pretty bloody horrible. - Drake > Hurricane > Harbinger > everything else. - Both the Vexor and Rupture will beat the Arbitrator in solo/gang fights .. Arbi's are only really "good" when used as eWar/support-dps platforms as Goddess intended. - Sentinel is the only T2 frigate that stands out, rest are 'OK' or downright crap compared to other races. - Ammo change takes more like 2-3s in perfect conditions and can be very buggy, the "instant change" is a myth. Hybrids are next in line for tweakage I think so just a matter of time. Rockets will be fixed when AFs are fixed. CCP were very clever to tie them together, that way they postpone it indefinitely by constantly referring to whichever part is in/out of fashion
Bomberlocks Minmatar Star Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.19 11:32:00 - [44] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Bomberlocks Originally by: VanNostrum Originally by: Bomberlocks for a number of years until january of this year with Dominion, lasers were by far the best weapons wat? Don't be facetious, mate. Large projectile weapons, both AC and arty were totally inferior until Dominion. Poor dps, poor range, poor tracking. Now arties have good alpha, AC ammo has good damage and improved ammo types, but they certainly don't do as much damage as lasers do, and they don't have scorch t2 ammo. Railguns still suffer from poor damage and poor tracking, blasters suffer from poor range and tracking and who on earth uses cruise missiles in PvP? Torps are good for close in damage, but that's about all. There's a reason most BS fleets have a large percentage of Amarr BS. I think he's "wat"ing at the implication that since dominion, lasers are no longer by far the best weapons - a claim with which I agree but which should not be taken for granted. I think overall they're still on top but projectiles are an awful lot closer now. I bolded the relevant part for Mr. Wat's reading comprehension. What irritates me is the fact that so many players seem to feel their particular ship/weapon/ammo absolutely needs buffing because they get killed on occasion in pvp or because they can't afk all lvl 4 and 5 missions and plexes. Actual numerical comparisons, while not always being entirely accurate, are a better guide than poor piloting skills or just plain bad luck. Projectile weapons used to be terrible in the higher tiers. This was both a subjective (OMfG, I was pwned by xxx in a baddon!) and objective (the actual numbers) observation. Since Dominion, projectiles are not as bad anymore. They're not better,but they're an improvement.
Ancy Denaries	Posted - 2010.03.19 12:31:00 - [45] One of the worst trolls/flamebaits I've seen in a LONG time. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
VanNostrum	Posted - 2010.03.19 17:30:00 - [46] Lasers had been the inferior to other turrets far longer than they've been superior since EM resist nerf. Even now their superiority can be questioned, except for scorch ammo Put a turret on a Raven to see how much dps you get (Raven as it has no bonus to any turret) 43 DPS with 800mm Repeating Artillery II with EMP L 48 DPS with Mega Pulse Laser with Multifrequency L 55 DPS with Neutron Blaster Cannon II with Antimatter L Now put these turrets on their respective race ships. Most amarr ships get cap usage bonus instead of a rof or dmg. While AC looks to have smallest DPS in above example, most minmatar ships have either dmg bonus or rof bonus, or sometimes both. While the large blaster above seems to have highest dps it lacks range big time. Keep in mind that proectiles now have 3 types of ammo with same dps while lasers only have EM, and adding ship dps bonuses to the fact ACs become superior to lasers. The scorch ammo is still imbalanced with very high dps at a very long range but that's an ammo problem not a laser problem. But yeah as for the OP, successful troll is successful still.

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