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Ris Dnalor Minmatar Ex Cruoris Libertas	Posted - 2010.03.12 11:52:00 - [1] Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 12/03/2010 11:55:26 I was there when UK was founded. The fight for freedom was a costly one, and even in the early days pilots were drawn to the wealth that the lawless lands could provide. Perhaps some of the draw was greed, but the fact remains that without resources UK could not bring a relevant force to the fight. In the end I parted ways with the UK, I personally felt that entry into 0.0 was a mistake. I believed, at the time, that maintaining access to 0.0 would, out of necessity, become their primary goal, and the fight for freedom would end up taking a back seat. I also knew that there were plenty of opportunities to make loads of isk within the confines of Empire controlled space. While I disagreed with their response, I may well have been the one in the wrong, as they have done far more for the cause since I left than I have been able to in the same time. That being said, UK has dealt a major blow to an alliance that has been responsible for supporting and spreading Amarrian ideology for years. Their motivation doesn't matter, the end result should be cause for celebration for Minmatar and all those who oppose slavery. What they do next will be closely watched by many. They will have to defend their newly conquered space, and to do that they'll need infrastructure, and a sizeable defense force. The fact that former slavers are willing now to join an anti-slavery alliance is another cause for celebration. UK has shown that they it can be more profitable to work with them than against them, and people are responding accordingly. UK should not be condemned for accepting people who are willing to change their beliefs about slavery... and people should not be judged solely on their past choices. I applaud the UK. They're walking a difficult path, and they're doing a fine job of it, in my humble opinion. I wish them all the best, and I sincerely hope that their newfound sovereignty will inspire a surge in the anti-slavery movement that will provide them with ample means to defend and to still be able to pursue their anti-slavery offensives with a vengeance.
Pimpertron	Posted - 2010.03.12 12:25:00 - [2] If it was UK that achieved something I would be more than willing too congratulate them on a job well done. But they have done nothing but cash in on a conflict between -A- and CVA + friends. Far from choosing the hard path they have taken the very easy path. I can understand UK taking advantage of a situation like this to get some space back. What I cant understand is why all the chest beating about it and why accuse their foes of running scared when UK are backed by such powerful friends. I find that quite sickening to be ohnest and look forward to the day that -A- are not around and we shall see what UK are really made of.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.12 13:08:00 - [3] I do love bitter people who hate the fact we have friends, your Galnet anger makes me chuckle. Because, of course, CVA do everything alone, don't they? ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Pimpertron	Posted - 2010.03.12 13:50:00 - [4] Edited by: Pimpertron on 12/03/2010 13:50:42 I was simply pointing out that the OP is wrong in what he says. Bitter? No I am just a nuetral observer in this episode of eve history in the making. I dont care how many friends you have either to be ohnest. Sickened by the endless bull**** coming form UK mouths? Yes I Am, you are no better than the average playground bullie talking tuff because your got some muscle behind you. It might be half credible if that muscle was your own but sadly it isn't Surley it cant be that hard to work out, your significance in what goes on in Providance is minimal so why dont you keep your posting too the same level?
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.12 13:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Pimpertron Edited by: Pimpertron on 12/03/2010 13:50:42 I was simply pointing out that the OP is wrong in what he says. Bitter? No I am just a nuetral observer in this episode of eve history in the making. I dont care how many friends you have either to be ohnest. Sickened by the endless bull**** coming form UK mouths? Yes I Am, you are no better than the average playground bullie talking tuff because your got some muscle behind you. It might be half credible if that muscle was your own but sadly it isn't Surley it cant be that hard to work out, your significance in what goes on in Providance is minimal so why dont you keep your posting too the same level? same can be applied on cva "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
Jakiin Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2010.03.12 14:36:00 - [6] First off: the comparison of CVA'sHolders to U'K's alliance with -a- in this conflict is idiotic at best and propaganda at worst. It is a well known fact that the Holder Alliancxes followed the rules and directives of CVA (What you think of this really depends which side of the conflict you're on more than anything) while it is equally well known that -A- quite simply doesn't give a damn about what U'K wants in their space (Which is arguably provided entirely by -A- and their actions). The relationship is in fact partially inverse: U'K doesn't follow the whims of -A-, but have space thanks to -A- and have a millitary power which is only a fraction of -A-'s. CVA was recognized, particularily by many Ushra'Khan pilots, as being the biggest force in Provibloc (See repeated claims that they could take any provibloc power one on one with their eyes closed... With the exception of CVA who were said to know what the hell they were doing). The Holder Alliances were only a able to exist in 0.0 for so long because of CVA, where U'K can only make such large incursions into Provi because of -A-'s assistance. Second: U'K did nothing to bring about Provi's fall. It was Provibloc itself that started it when they sought to take advantage of -A-'s war with the Goons to take new territory. Greed has led to this, yes, but it is not a greed related to slavery or anything you fight against. * Jakiin Torash Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' Uncle Jak wants YOU to join the Khanid Provincial Vanguard!
Motseth	Posted - 2010.03.12 15:13:00 - [7] CVA attacked AAA because they wanted more territory and because AAA harbors Minmatar Freedom Fighters, UK. I doubt CVA would attack AAA without a reason other than "they are harboring our longtime enemies", they would never have the sympathy of their Provibloc friends if they done that, remember that they are roleplayers. So saying UK has nothing to do with what is happening is a opinion that lacks thinking imho.
Liteshow Caldari The Leather Knights Opticon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.12 17:05:00 - [8] Edited by: Liteshow on 12/03/2010 17:05:33 Even as a former (and probably still current) enemy of UK, and a former CVA holder, I would have to say I do respect them. There is a lot of chestbeating on both sides regarding the provibloc on Galnet, but in system on open frequency UK will be the first to give you a compliment on your battle style whether winning or losing. I think it's been run into the ground on who is who's pet/muppet/b*tch, and if you field a large enough military force to achieve your goals and represent your selves in the blob, you're doing something right. Yes, UK didn't take the systems they hold sov in solo. But also, none of the holders have showed up as defense of those systems (or any others under siege) alone either. If you have a large powerbloc as a friend, why not use them? Note that this is solely my opinion as a former CVA pet that has had many encounters with UK before and during the A attack/retaliation on Provi. I have a lot of respect for nearly all of the UK members I have spoken with. Granted there are a few with big mouths that either initiate of easily fall into local smack talk, but every group has those. And, the vast majority of UK members I encounter are actually quite civil whether winning, losing, or just harassing carebears in local. I hated that a mistake by my former alliance's executor caused us to lose 2 systems/stations in a matter of days, but at least (once CVA and -A- pulled out) the systems weren't filled pointless smacktalk, and a few pilots would even give (generalized) updates from the warfront, even though we were red to each other... Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.14 18:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Ris Dnalor I applaud the UK. They're walking a difficult path, and they're doing a fine job of it, in my humble opinion. I wish them all the best, and I sincerely hope that their newfound sovereignty will inspire a surge in the anti-slavery movement that will provide them with ample means to defend and to still be able to pursue their anti-slavery offensives with a vengeance. Ris old friend... good to see youre still alive. Thanks for the kind words. Does good in between all the propaganda. recruiting -forum
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.14 18:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Liteshow . If you have a large powerbloc as a friend, why not use them? Might also be worth mentioning, that gaining a friend like AAA is more work than opening a convo with an executor. We have stood by their side for a long duration - before the current campaign. We give what we can, and they return the favor. Like true friends do. I already had huge respect for them when we were still red to each other , now i respect them even more. I have very strong doubts, this level of true friendship and mutual respect ever existed between the providence bloc entities. recruiting -forum
Maggot Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.14 21:16:00 - [11] Brother, just keep in mind that any sovereignty we hold is meaningless in terms of space holding and empire building. It is nothing but a tool to use in our fight and can be thrown away when not needed. If it is taken away from us then we will fight with another weapon, and with our blood. Maggot.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Kumiho's Smile	Posted - 2010.03.14 22:06:00 - [12] Originally by: Maggot If it is taken away from us then we will fight with another weapon, and with our blood. Um. There has got to be an easier way of getting iron for those rail charges.
Dame Death Minmatar Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.15 00:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Originally by: Maggot If it is taken away from us then we will fight with another weapon, and with our blood. Um. There has got to be an easier way of getting iron for those rail charges. Once again taking things too litery Aria. Also Rails suck autos rock Logs of a Brutor
Mah Kraah Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.15 03:34:00 - [14] greetings Ris, hope life threated u well since u departed. u know us, u knew we would not stop bevore getting into the position we are now. us old idialists are still here, may not as visible as in the early days but still at work on the endless task. i told u it will be years. we took over 2 years to just prepare the scene and we are not even done with that, but for the first time we start to get a idear of the timeframe still needed to make an end to that unholy extention of the enslaving, dark, empire. its still alot to do and i now go back to work. was verry nice to hear from u again. 0>
Aria Jenneth Caldari Kumiho's Smile	Posted - 2010.03.15 04:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Dame Death Originally by: Aria Jenneth Originally by: Maggot If it is taken away from us then we will fight with another weapon, and with our blood. Um. There has got to be an easier way of getting iron for those rail charges. Once again taking things too litery Aria. Also Rails suck autos rock Well, I suppose you have to get those plasma munitions from somewhere. Not that anyone really seems to use those.
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Primary.	Posted - 2010.03.15 04:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Butter Dog I do love bitter people who hate the fact we have friends, your Galnet anger makes me chuckle. Because, of course, CVA do everything alone, don't they? Bitter, lets be realistic. The Holder system was implemented by CVA to take a region and make it more manageable. The idea is to let people live how they want to live, and have a small set of rules that governs them. UK partnered itself with AAA because it never held its own space, and needed to feed off of a much larger superpower to keep members interested and active. You now are taking advantage of being apart of one of 2 large nap trains in eve. CVA / Holders always were neutral in NC / SC conflicts, where UK has taken a side in matters that for the Amarr and Minnie conflicts means almost zero. You are trying to push the blame for joining a "nap" train on the fact that CVA fostered / grew other alliances into Providence rather then allow those corps into CVA. If CVA absorbed all of those "Holders" instead of allowing them their own space / alliances you would still need AAA / Atlas / Stain Wagon to even have a snow ball's chance in hell of getting a foot hold in Providence. Not to mention needing Dominion Sov Changes / broken large scale warfare to make it possible
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2010.03.15 04:58:00 - [17] shadow how dare you post stuff on here that make sence dont you know they will flame you for it
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Primary.	Posted - 2010.03.15 05:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Kelban Kevar shadow how dare you post stuff on here that make sence dont you know they will flame you for it yea probably. UK defending its alliance with AAA would be like CVA defending an alliance (that never happened) with Goons. Sure, if CVA did that it would have been easier to defeat AAA / UK, but CVA and Holders werent about to sell out their ideals for an easy win.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.15 07:14:00 - [19] Except UK have not "never held space" - we used to own Northeastern Providence and operate NRDS there before CVA decided they were bored of the UK-CVA conflict, and invited all their friends to join them in territorial warfare. This placed UK in a position where we would often turn up to fights alone, and CVA would bring all their buddies, hugely outnumber us, and then cry "haha, you don't have any friends". Well, guess what. We made some friends, and now Providence will burn. The holder system is nothing but a collection of weak, spineless vassal states who are unable to manage their own diplomatic relations. They are devoid of ambition and combat skill, finding strength only in numbers. And now the numbers are dwindling, they have nothing. They will be swept aside like the useless vermin they are. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc	Posted - 2010.03.15 09:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 15/03/2010 07:17:26 Except UK have not "never held space" - we used to own Northeastern Providence and operate NRDS there before CVA decided they were bored of the UK-CVA conflict, and invited all their friends to join them in territorial warfare. This placed UK in a position where we would often turn up to fights alone, and CVA would bring all their buddies, hugely outnumber us, and then cry "haha, you don't have any friends". Well, guess what. We made some friends, and now Providence will burn. The holder system is nothing but a collection of weak, spineless vassal states who are unable to manage their own diplomatic relations. They are devoid of ambition and combat skill, finding strength only in numbers. And now the numbers are dwindling, they have nothing. They will be swept aside like the useless vermin they are. Also, you don't seem to understand who UK are and what they stand for. We do not fight for the Minmatar Republic. We are not an Empire loyalist organisation like CVA. We are anti-slavery. CVA are slavers. AAA is a freedom loving alliance who are eradicating the slavers from Providence, an alliance with them is both natural and expected. Comparing that to CVA and Goons just makes you look like you know nothing about UK or what we stand for, hardly a suprise given you were one of the first to cut and run from Providence when the going got a little tough. Very well said young Butter Dog. It makes an old man very happy to hear there are yet others with long memories figthing the good fight. I recall some of the Valklear training credos. "When your gun runs out of ammo, use it as a club. When it is knocked from your grasp, use your fists. When they bind your hands, use your teeth. Never surrender, never stop fighting." Victory means freedom for our people and the survival of our race! If Ushra'Khan are to be put on trial for the tactics and allies they have used then I must ask their accusers, given the stakes, what weapons or assets should they not use? Some warriors may fade from the fight yet others rise to take their place. Much like a legend Karn told me once about the teeth of a Dragon. cough ... ack ... Well done Ushra'Khan, not only in your victories but in finding true friends in AAA. Providence burns. They came for our people. Thrace Inc Poster
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.15 14:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Pimpertron What I cant understand is why all the chest beating about it What chest beating are you refering to? _____________________ For Tribe and Honour!
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.15 14:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 15/03/2010 07:17:26 Except UK have not "never held space" - we used to own Northeastern Providence and operate NRDS there before CVA decided they were bored of the UK-CVA conflict, and invited all their friends to join them in territorial warfare. You have a terrible memory butter dog, the "friends" that attacked Unity station were hostile to you because Ushra'khan shot them before any stations even existed in providence. Others attacked Unity because Ushra'khan allies were attacking them while being allowed to base out of Unity. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
TSSHeratix Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.15 14:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace wise words Ahhh....wise words from my favourite mentor...hope you are keeping safe and killing the slaver hordes Tel....and i hope you are enjoying our resurgence....i know we are. --------- Your sig is too big. Sigs should be Maximum height: 120 pixels, Maximum width: 400 pixels, Maximum file size: 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) - Karass Sayfo
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.15 15:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Reash Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 15/03/2010 07:17:26 Except UK have not "never held space" - we used to own Northeastern Providence and operate NRDS there before CVA decided they were bored of the UK-CVA conflict, and invited all their friends to join them in territorial warfare. You have a terrible memory butter dog, the "friends" that attacked Unity station were hostile to you because Ushra'khan shot them before any stations even existed in providence. Others attacked Unity because Ushra'khan allies were attacking them while being allowed to base out of Unity. you got it all wrong they shot us first and didnt like that we started owning the **** out of them then emoraged to cva abut the unfairness of picking a fight they coudnt win "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.15 16:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Lilan Kahn you got it all wrong they shot us first and didnt like that we started owning the **** out of them then emoraged to cva abut the unfairness of picking a fight they coudnt win Quite simply untrue, i was personally involved in discussions with Ushra'khan leadership in an attempt to cease Ushra'khan hostilities against neutral entities. Ushra'khan refused. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.15 16:10:00 - [26] Edited by: Butter Dog on 15/03/2010 16:14:21 Originally by: Reash Originally by: Lilan Kahn you got it all wrong they shot us first and didnt like that we started owning the **** out of them then emoraged to cva abut the unfairness of picking a fight they coudnt win Quite simply untrue, i was personally involved in discussions with Ushra'khan leadership in an attempt to cease Ushra'khan hostilities against neutral entities. Ushra'khan refused. Neutral to you, perhaps. You seem to forget UK wasn't one of your pets you could dictate standings toward. My own corporation has NEVER respected CVA's ROE, setting our own standings, but we did respect UK's ROE in their space. We've been entirely consistent in our disregard of your regime of puppet states, and entirely consistent in our support and respect of UK's ROE. UK understand the meaning of the term 'neutral' - to you, it's just another pet to control, telling who they can and cannot shoot. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.15 18:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 15/03/2010 16:14:21 Originally by: Reash Originally by: Lilan Kahn you got it all wrong they shot us first and didnt like that we started owning the **** out of them then emoraged to cva abut the unfairness of picking a fight they coudnt win Quite simply untrue, i was personally involved in discussions with Ushra'khan leadership in an attempt to cease Ushra'khan hostilities against neutral entities. Ushra'khan refused. Neutral to you, perhaps. You seem to forget UK wasn't one of your pets you could dictate standings toward. My own corporation has NEVER respected CVA's ROE, setting our own standings, but we did respect UK's ROE in their space. We've been entirely consistent in our disregard of your regime of puppet states, and entirely consistent in our support and respect of UK's ROE. UK understand the meaning of the term 'neutral' - to you, it's just another pet to control, telling who they can and cannot shoot. You misunderstand Butters, this was when CVA first moved to the Misaba area, Ushra'khan were shooting pilots we had no interactions with. We requested they keep neutrals out of the crossfire. Ushra'khan refused. Perhaps that is clearer? ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.15 19:22:00 - [28] You tried to tell UK how to manage their standings all the way back then? Well I guess some things never change. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Maggot Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.15 21:17:00 - [29] A neutral is someone who has no affairs relating to any party in a given conflict. "Neutrals" shot by Ushra'khan were working with CVA or operating in CVA space. Thus not neutral by any definition. They were collaborating with slavers thus subject to our weapon fire.
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.03.15 21:31:00 - [30] Edited by: Merdaneth on 15/03/2010 21:30:58 Originally by: Maggot A neutral is someone who has no affairs relating to any party in a given conflict. "Neutrals" shot by Ushra'khan were working with CVA or operating in CVA space. Thus not neutral by any definition. They were collaborating with slavers thus subject to our weapon fire. Then pray tell mr. Maggot, since mere presence in claimed space is enough to consider someone not a neutral, and almost all space in the universe is claimed in one way or another, what is a neutral according to you? Do they even exist? Am I a collaborator of the Republic by flying through their space? Are you a collaborator of the Amarr Empire by buying goods in Amarr? Please enlighten us. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Ugleb Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.15 23:26:00 - [31] Originally by: Merdaneth Then pray tell mr. Maggot, since mere presence in claimed space is enough to consider someone not a neutral, and almost all space in the universe is claimed in one way or another, what is a neutral according to you? Do they even exist? Am I a collaborator of the Republic by flying through their space? Are you a collaborator of the Amarr Empire by buying goods in Amarr? Please enlighten us. Our policy on Providence has been a simple matter of public record for a long time indeed. We are approaching three years since this declaration was made, it has been repeated in public announcements since, and in our diplomacy with those who crossed our gun sights. To paraphrase myself; if you do not not wish to be a part of the war, leave the war zone. There has never been any ambiguity in our position. The Journal; Walking The Road To Liberation
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.03.15 23:52:00 - [32] Originally by: Ugleb There has never been any ambiguity in our position. I do not question that at all, Ushra'Khan is a terrorist insurgent organization willing to inflict civilian casualties and accepting a considerable amount of collateral damage while pursuing the goal of driving a slaver organization from Providence. There were most certainly neutrals in Providence targeted by Ushra'Khan, pod pilots that had no affiliation with slavery but were not visibly and actively opposing it either. By trying to paint them as non-neutral mr. Maggot he effectively abolished the concept of neutrality. If people don't fight against the slaver holders, you presume they are fighting for them. NASSI if you will (Not Anti-Slaver Shoot It). A convenient and useful policy, but an unprincipled and dishonorable one. A principle harmful to any concept of freedom. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc	Posted - 2010.03.16 09:46:00 - [33] To do trade with slavers is to profit from slavery. One does not need to hold the leash to be a slaver any more than one needs iron bars to make a cage. The declaration was made by Ushra'Khan nearly three years ago. It was both clear and consise. I even delivered it myself, Quote: This is the voice of the Ushra’Khan. Our campaign continues, Providence burns. This haven of evil is infested with slavers and those who continue to trade with them. If you do business in Providence or Catch you are an enemy of Freedom and considered a target of war. Leave Providence now if you wish to survive. Those who profit from the suffering of our people are our blood enemies and will be hunted down. There is no neutral ground in Providence. Identify yourselves as Warriors of Freedom or die under the fire of our guns. We fly on the wings of freedom, we come for our people. I think that was fair warning. Those that did not identify themselves as freedom fighters, those that did not turn back from our interdiction, were shot. Before anyone pulls out the old cheastnut "what about our freedom!". Sorry son, Ushra'Khan fight for the freedom of the Matari people, not your freedom to enslave them and profit from holocaust. Thrace Inc Poster
Manfred Sideous H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.03.16 11:17:00 - [34] LOL Let me set the record straight. Ushra Khan are Allies not pets or renters. As the leader of -A- I have imminent authority on the matter. So issue done there. Secondly UK vs CVA in 1 v 1 war and CVA would be trounced. Simple reason they are mostly carebears. Whereas Ushra Khan live and breathe PVP. As far as what will happen in Provi. I cant wait till CVA or someone tries to take sov from one of these little groups that are being placed in providence. Providing us fights by trying to re-take sov is encouraged please do this. Now these small alliances are being placed here to grow not as pets or renters. The concept is to make Provi inviting to small groups with no oppressing controller :coughcvacough: . There politics will be for them decide I expect some of them will be blue with eachother and others red to eachother. There should be a balance stricken though. To current provi residents. Drop your corps and alliances there will be many new inhabitants looking for new members soon. Provi is burning and I will finish it. CVA started this I gave them chances to end it there arrogance is the SOLE reason we are at this point today. Bye CVA! ______________________________
Chav Queen State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.03.16 22:29:00 - [35] Edited by: Chav Queen on 16/03/2010 22:30:05 Originally by: Manfred Sideous LOL Secondly UK vs CVA in 1 v 1 war and CVA would be trounced. Simple reason they are mostly carebears. Whereas Ushra Khan live and breathe PVP. " Lol you got to be kidding me. UK are not in the same league as CVA. Without -A- UK would never take, let alone hold a single system. UK live and breath the odd roam in a rupture but thats about it. IF you really are the leader of -A- and you really think that. Why dont you put your money where your mouth is and let UK and CVA duke it out for thier space? -A- has always avoided tuff targets in my opinion and picking CVA for your next conquest is typical of your past policies.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.16 22:41:00 - [36] Originally by: Manfred Sideous LOL Let me set the record straight. Ushra Khan are Allies not pets or renters. As the leader of -A- I have imminent authority on the matter. So issue done there. Secondly UK vs CVA in 1 v 1 war and CVA would be trounced. Simple reason they are mostly carebears. Whereas Ushra Khan live and breathe PVP. As far as what will happen in Provi. I cant wait till CVA or someone tries to take sov from one of these little groups that are being placed in providence. Providing us fights by trying to re-take sov is encouraged please do this. Now these small alliances are being placed here to grow not as pets or renters. The concept is to make Provi inviting to small groups with no oppressing controller :coughcvacough: . There politics will be for them decide I expect some of them will be blue with eachother and others red to eachother. There should be a balance stricken though. To current provi residents. Drop your corps and alliances there will be many new inhabitants looking for new members soon. Provi is burning and I will finish it. CVA started this I gave them chances to end it there arrogance is the SOLE reason we are at this point today. Bye CVA! I imagine CVA's demise in Providence will be about as permanent as Ushra'Khan's. The Southern Coallition's show of force, however, was no doubt impressive.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.17 07:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Chav Queen If UK really would trounce CVA why not put your money where your mouth is and let them fight it We've requested a 1v1 against CVA many times. They refused. It's a simple truth that UK are simply a more powerful alliance than CVA at this moment in time, but something we could never do alone was take on the whole ProvidenceBloc. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Manfred Sideous H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.03.17 10:25:00 - [38] Originally by: Chav Queen Edited by: Chav Queen on 16/03/2010 22:40:37 Uk are not in the same league as CVA when it comes to sovereign warfare. They might live and breath the odd rupture roaming gang but thats about it. CVA would wipe the floor with any fleet UK could field. Carebears as you call them are an important part of any major space holding alliance. Who fuels your posses Manfred? who supplies all the minerals for those Titans you like to stockpile? Is someone with your ignorance really the leader of one of the biggest alliances in the known univirse? Thats kind of scary. If UK really would trounce CVA why not put your money where your mouth is and let them fight it out? We have some PVPrs that can do awesome carebear stuff. But see its all about a mindset. Let me explain. Most people in CVA and a good portion of groups like the NC etc. PVP so they can have a area to make isk play space settlers and get rich. Now AAA and alot of other groups. Carebear and settle space to give them more isk to PVP. Or here is a clearer set of terms. I and my alliance mates see carebear stuff as a tool to allow us to do more pvp. Your group see's PVP as a tool to allow you to carebear. Now the only reason you're way has worked for you as long as it has is: 1) Providence was terrible space 2) You had a big blob of numbers 3) The infrastructure that was set in place was/is hell to remove. 4) The Arrogance of operation never crossed paths with a greater force. ______________________________
Pimpertron	Posted - 2010.03.17 12:23:00 - [39] Edited by: Pimpertron on 17/03/2010 12:24:57 Just because you refuse to kill innocent people. Or in the case of the NC mind your own business Does not make you a carebear
D'agon Picard Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.17 12:46:00 - [40] Transmition coming from aboard "Divine Devotion" battlecruiser x-r3 system providence "Your ignorance about cva motives is astounding guess thats a good thing. As war priest of Ordo Drakonis this is my message (and curse) to aaa and their lackeys" Picard starts an ancient amarrian warrior dance. "May fire consume you For the holy reclaiming!" Dagon spits and close the coms
Fuku Hitori	Posted - 2010.03.17 14:10:00 - [41] There are dozens of iHubs, Stations and POS coming out of Reinforced over the next 48 hours. Why don't you, and your Slaver masters have a go at being on-line, in Providence and defending a few. I for one am intrigued at the effectiveness of your Holy Fire. I have a bad feeling your Spittle may have extinguished it before it caught, if your recent military prowess is anything to go by.
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.17 14:19:00 - [42] Edited by: zoolkhan on 17/03/2010 14:22:27 Originally by: ShadowandLight UK partnered itself with AAA because it never held its own space, Stopped reading here. Do your homework. Hammer of insignificance. Perhaps your pilot license is just too fresh to know it, but in that case you should resort to "watching and learning". We owned half of provicende before you won your pod license in some kind of blackmarket lottery on some blackmarket drug yard next to one of the hippocrat temples that your race like to surround them with. spits But as said plenty times on this frequency, holding space is more relevant to others than to ushrakhan. Conquering space serves the purpouse of driving out the devils. keeping space serves the fueling of the war. governing space, serves nothing. waste of time. not our expertise. recruiting -forum
Roderz	Posted - 2010.03.19 00:02:00 - [43] Originally by: Manfred Sideous Now these small alliances are being placed here to grow not as pets or renters. Now now my dear Manny, i think this is nice interesting read thats been leaked all over everywhere, u state here your re seeding the rainforest so u can pharm it, they gotta play by your rules, so they will be your "pets". http://tinypaste.com/48f35
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.19 03:21:00 - [44] "Most people in CVA and a good portion of groups like the NC etc. PVP so they can have a area to make isk play space settlers and get rich." Manfred is not really correct here of course and obviously does not know us all that well. Obviously most pilots indulge in the drudgery of industrial endeavour to fund their combat program if they live outside concord protection. I mean seriously, what else you you think you need isk for? To buy real estate in Jita? Be serious please. That said, we are talking about one of the poorest regions known. And yes, a reason few pilots were interested in such regions in the past until others had developed these into a region with the highest outpost concentration in lawless space. It is of course easy for a deeper larger aliance to have much more isk and therefore combat forces. It is no surprise that the alliances with the huge capital fleets were based in the rich systems with very valuable moons. Other pilots had to make do without such easy cash cows. They actually had to do far more of the menial industrialism to achieve a fraction of such wealth. I am sure many envy the wealth and oportunity such alliances had to concentrate on their combat, but we each make do with such as we have. Indeed many are eager for the additional challenge. Of course times change. New manufacturing methods severely reduced the value of these cash cow moons. New influxes of certain pirate factions and previously unknown mining belts made the inner systems more valuable. It is hardly any surprise that the eyes of these larger alliances began to look toward such areas. In the end Manfred you chose to invade and remove us using what you have built, and such is the way of things. Why you needed the excuse of CVA being a threat to you sovreignty remains somewhat humorous, but the end result is the same. There was a tract of now developed space there for the taking, space suddenly far more valuable than it had ever been. This was an inevitability ever since recent changes to both industry and the Sovreignty system. Suddenly such an invasion was far more easily achieved on a far shorter timescale. The time was ripe. The clearing begins. So now you plan to install pets into the area, and even more interestingly you install the fleas of the pets as well. Easy targets, so thanks for that. UK and their mission has been marginalize by the invasion, but we can hope they will find some new endeavor to drive them through the next few years. This sudden easy victory brought to them by others will actually take wind from sails, but in time I am sure they will find a new direction. I don't see them as an alliance who will enjoy defending space, and I don't think they themselve in such a way either. And yet they seem to be settling into KBP of all the systems. That in itself is somewhat ironic. It will be interesting to see what this new 'free' providence developes into. We will assume it will be much the same as most of the cluster, but in this case with pilots who have never really needed to fight for their space, or with any real risk to their sovreignty. As an experiment in survival of the fittest it seems on the surface to be less than ideal. As you would well know, hard fought gains are always far for sweet and meaningful. As an area of easy farming I certainly see some potential at least in the short term. How long that is sustained will really depend on how long pilots not installed in these systems are willing to fly there. In some ways I pity the fleas here if they are to be farmed by all comers, including their benefactors, as seems the case. They have no hope for real freedom or expansion it seems, and will be targets for all. The area will offer a buffer at least to those in deeper regions, and those behind such a shield can again relax and slumber in peace, perhaps for a very long quiet peace. Sounds like fun. And of course. Nothing last forever. So often we see great alliances vanish overnight.
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.20 12:45:00 - [45] Edited by: zoolkhan on 20/03/2010 12:46:44 Quote: So often we see great alliances vanish overnight. Just for the general amusement, i picked this sentence out of the previous broadcast. Ushrakhan, is the oldest alliance in new-eden. Ok, now, go back to the quote.. read again.. and then rate the credibility of xina tutor's output on a scale 1-10 - in fact she is doing so bad, that i start to suspect it is ourselfs who pay her in order to harm -7-'s reputation. After 6 years of continuous fighting for just one goal, extermination of slavery, it can be safely assumed, that we will not suddenly dissolve out of boredom after we had this easy unexpected victory. (or whatver, in my books the job is not over and the victory beyond horizon) but even if we did, not your concern my dear. not your concern. recruiting -forum
n1231 Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.20 20:34:00 - [46] Edited by: n1231 on 20/03/2010 20:34:24 Originally by: Xina Tutor Why you needed the excuse of CVA being a threat to you sovreignty remains somewhat humorous... I dont think it was an excuse tbh. CVA may not be a threat to -A- Sov in a head on fight, but they are a threat nonetheless. CVA attacked -A- while -A- had its attentions elsewhere; in essence, CVA demonstrated themselves as opportunistic, therin posing a threat to -A-. What if -A- was to embroil itself in another war? Would CVA use the opportunity to make a second push into Catch? If such a thing was to happen, -A- would essentially be fighting a two-front war, which woud certainly weaken them. That said, I am not a member of Against ALL Authorities, and thus I cannot speak with certainty on the matter. It could be said, however, that -A- felt it necessary to remove CVA as a way ensuring that they would not have to fight two enemies (one being CVA making an opportunistic grab, the other bieng the enemy at hand) in some future conflict. Your post implies that CVA was not a threat to -A- sov under any circumstances. Indeed, CVA might not pose a threat to -A- sov directly, but that does not mean that CVA could use the opportunity of a conflict involving -A- to make a push into -A- space.
SHOCKZORS	Posted - 2010.03.25 00:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Manfred Sideous LOL Let me set the record straight. Ushra Khan are Allies not pets or renters. As the leader of -A- I have imminent authority on the matter. So issue done there. Secondly UK vs CVA in 1 v 1 war and CVA would be trounced. Simple reason they are mostly carebears. Whereas Ushra Khan live and breathe PVP. As far as what will happen in Provi. I cant wait till CVA or someone tries to take sov from one of these little groups that are being placed in providence. Providing us fights by trying to re-take sov is encouraged please do this. Now these small alliances are being placed here to grow not as pets or renters. The concept is to make Provi inviting to small groups with no oppressing controller :coughcvacough: . There politics will be for them decide I expect some of them will be blue with eachother and others red to eachother. There should be a balance stricken though. To current provi residents. Drop your corps and alliances there will be many new inhabitants looking for new members soon. Provi is burning and I will finish it. CVA started this I gave them chances to end it there arrogance is the SOLE reason we are at this point today. Bye CVA! You're a good morale booster [for UK, your pet]
Johnny Dexter	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:46:00 - [48] I personally have no problems with U'K amassing long enough NAPtrain to try and take back Providence, the only thing that saddens me is that they're such douchebags about it. Yes, you have some big friends now and finally a chance to crawl out from under the rock, but that doesn't mean you have to send Bitter Dog to every single God forsaken thread about Providence and flame it to hell, you're making your alliance look like **** on the forums.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:49:00 - [49] Now posting facts = flame, does it? I suppose it does, if you don't like the fact you're presented with. UK aren't here to win peoples hearts on forums. We're here to end slavery and destroy the CVA. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:53:00 - [50] Butter Dog exercises his own free speech, he does not represent us as a whole unless that is specifically stated in his post.
Sophia Trinidad	Posted - 2010.03.25 22:31:00 - [51] Butterdog to Manfred - Waaa, everyone knows we are pets and makes fun of us. Can you post and tell everyone we are really cool and tough pvpers? Manfred - Sure, now go and fetch me my slippers. I'm gonna have my mom post and tell you guys I'm the toughest pvper and then you have to believe it because my mom said so, LOL

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