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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.12 21:39:00 -
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enjoy
Signature removed, it needs to be more EVE related. Zymurgist dude u get a ship in game named crow and my sig have crows |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Fetish Nation
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Posted - 2010.03.12 22:14:00 -
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I have no idea what's going on
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: FOl2TY8
I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence.
Yeah, I use that excuse too.
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Alchemist's Alt
Gallente Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.03.12 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
http://i.imgur.com/RHBDt.jpg
Thats one way to light a cigarette FIRST!! Bring back Derek Chu |
Kirra Liu
Echelon Holdings Echelon.
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Posted - 2010.03.12 23:28:00 -
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Are they rioting because of the folks with money avoiding taxes and killing their countries economy or what? Giving the reason of the riots may be handy in a thread about the riots.
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Lt Forge
Pilots From Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.12 23:39:00 -
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Vicious circle anyone?
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.13 00:04:00 -
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Link
"Fears of a Greek default have undermined the euro for all 16 countries that share it, putting the Greek government under intense European Union pressure to quickly show fiscal improvement.
It has announced a raft of savings through public sector salary cuts, hiring and pension freezes and consumer tax hikes to deal with its ballooning deficit, but the measures have led to a new wave of labor discontent.
The cutbacks, added to a previous austerity plan, seek to reduce the country's budget deficit from 12.7 percent of annual output to 8.7 percent this year. The long-term target is to bring overspending below the EU ceiling of 3 percent of GDP in 2012.
The new plan sparked a wave of strikes and protests from labour unions whose reaction to the initial austerity measures had been muted.....
A general strike last Friday was marred by violence during a large protest march. Riot police used tear gas and baton charges against rock-throwing protesters, who smashed banks and storefronts, while left-wing protesters roughed up Panagopoulos as he was addressing a rally.
The labour unrest could spark fears that the government will have trouble in implementing its new measures."
Add in some Goldman Sachs involvement and the story gets even more foggy.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Magnus Nordir
Caldari Nordir Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.13 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon stuff
Slade
There's no excuse for any of the parties involved. That doesn't change the fact that the antisocial morons rioting in the streets aren't solving anything, either. They all deserve to be beat up good and thrown in the jail until they decide to be the productive citizens their country needs right now. Rioting like a bunch of anarchist ****s has never solved anything. --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.13 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir
Originally by: Slade Trillgon stuff
Slade
There's no excuse for any of the parties involved. That doesn't change the fact that the antisocial morons rioting in the streets aren't solving anything, either. They all deserve to be beat up good and thrown in the jail until they decide to be the productive citizens their country needs right now. Rioting like a bunch of anarchist ****s has never solved anything.
Completely agee. I reserve my right to not condemn them completely with additional physical punishement, unless; the same punishment is brought upon the individuals that created the fiscal environment they are living in.
If you are going to rise up then you better organize.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.03.13 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir Rioting like a bunch of anarchist ****s has never solved anything.
Actually, rioting like a bunch of anarchist crazies (if done on a wide enough scale) can eventually solve a lot of things. Although, you usually call that a "revolution" then. Not that it's not exactly the same thing, it's all a matter of number of people doing it.
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Beginner's ISK making guide | Manufacturer's helper | All about reacting _
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Nebulous
Minmatar Salvage Junkies
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Posted - 2010.03.13 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir That doesn't change the fact that the antisocial morons rioting in the streets aren't solving anything
I always love statements like this, if the "people" are violent then it "doesn't solve anything", but when the government want to be violent to another country then that is of course fine.....
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Alchemist's Alt
Gallente Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.03.13 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Magnus Nordir That doesn't change the fact that the antisocial morons rioting in the streets aren't solving anything
I always love statements like this, if the "people" are violent then it "doesn't solve anything", but when the government want to be violent to another country then that is of course fine.....
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Dude you're amazing, I was totally going to reply something like that, I was actually thinking about this yesterday how the government contradicts itself saying 'wiolence is never the answer' yet is happy enough todo it, but yeah you pretty much summed it up ;) FIRST!! Bring back Derek Chu |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.03.13 15:05:00 -
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Violence never solves anything... unless you use ENOUGH of it
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.13 15:16:00 -
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violence is no the solution true but violence get **** done |
Vogue
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.13 15:28:00 -
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Violence, like war is politics by other means. But so often those that do violence get so engrossed in it and the machismo of it that would rather carry on being violent than going to something like a negotiation meeting that became possible from media attention of using violence.
Most revolutionaries are narrow minded fools. They may overthrow a system, government but its the old order that adapt and maintain control as they know how the levers of power work.
Greeces problems are they took on the Euro that made products more expensive. They have a totally stupid level of bureaucracy for businesses. Something like 50 licenses need to be obtained to start a business. The well off don't beleive in paying tax and prefer cash in hand.
Amazing really when the book Plato's Republic came from Greece.
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Alchemist's Alt
Gallente Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.03.13 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon violence is no the solution true but violence get **** done
Nahh history / psychology is proof of that FIRST!! Bring back Derek Chu |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.03.13 15:50:00 -
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I take issue with the undirected violence. Throwing some windows in or lighting up chars won't solve a thing. Throwing some managers out the window or lighting up some politicians will solve things. Bastards will think twice in the future to screw over a massive amounts of people.
But like this, those violent protests are as impotent as peaceful ones. --------
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.13 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Magnus Nordir That doesn't change the fact that the antisocial morons rioting in the streets aren't solving anything
I always love statements like this, if the "people" are violent then it "doesn't solve anything", but when the government want to be violent to another country then that is of course fine.....
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Lol when a country goes to war they generally have goals and what not. Everyday morons filing into the streets and acting out randomly because they got ****ed one way or another is not exactly goal-oriented now is it? --
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Alchemist's Alt
Gallente Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.03.13 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Magnus Nordir That doesn't change the fact that the antisocial morons rioting in the streets aren't solving anything
I always love statements like this, if the "people" are violent then it "doesn't solve anything", but when the government want to be violent to another country then that is of course fine.....
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Lol when a country goes to war they generally have goals and what not. Everyday morons filing into the streets and acting out randomly because they got ****ed one way or another is not exactly goal-oriented now is it?
Well those 'morons' have goals to, ever heard of motives :P FIRST!! Bring back Derek Chu |
Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.03.13 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Alchemist's Alt
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Magnus Nordir That doesn't change the fact that the antisocial morons rioting in the streets aren't solving anything
I always love statements like this, if the "people" are violent then it "doesn't solve anything", but when the government want to be violent to another country then that is of course fine.....
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Lol when a country goes to war they generally have goals and what not. Everyday morons filing into the streets and acting out randomly because they got ****ed one way or another is not exactly goal-oriented now is it?
Well those 'morons' have goals to, ever heard of motives :P
motive =/= goal --
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Alchemist's Alt
Gallente Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.03.13 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Alchemist''s Alt on 13/03/2010 16:33:01
Originally by: Abrazzar I take issue with the undirected violence. Throwing some windows in or lighting up chars won't solve a thing. Throwing some managers out the window or lighting up some politicians will solve things. Bastards will think twice in the future to screw over a massive amounts of people.
But like this, those violent protests are as impotent as peaceful ones.
Im not a fan of the way governments do things but the idea is to fight fire with fire :P not burn those you dislike, your way of problem solving is the exactly WHY governments live and are there :P
Besides if you are ever successful in anarchy through YOUR methods you would only make things worse since destruction just promotes more destruction and encourages people that violence is the only answer to ANYTHING they feel is unnecessary.
Theres two sides to each story, it has always been the case, poor vs rich, rich are known to leech money and not care about lesser people but then you have poor people who envy the rich and believe they should get everything without trying, break that down into left vs right government in the end both sides are stupid for if you removed currency from reality neither side will hold any value.
So if the mutual stupidity continues both sides have to accept they are both equally in the wrong, thats the vicious cycle, nothing personal but I am somewhat more in favour of the elites most of the time and that is simply todo with the fact that the not so elites freely get themselves tricked, manipulated and screw themselves up. I am no way saying elite rich people are 'good', since good / evil is subjective but I prefer their methods on achieving results, politics is a ***** and should never be classed as good / evil but it is necessary something which poor people sadly just refuse to understand and work with.
Feel free to flame me at this but I am permanently stuck in a cross road between both worlds and as days go by I lose more and more respect for the 'not so elite'. I guess I am too neutral or æon the fenceÆ as people say ;) and no I donÆt approve of wars, manipulation, propaganda etc but it is impossible to be sincere and achieve results thanks to conspiracies and stupidity existing.
I HATE money, I also think working is the equivalent of paid slavery and think it is beyond stupid reading anything media related, but then on the other hand I hate lazy people who are obese and this may offend people but theres no benefits from being obese and people who allow themselves to get in that state donÆt deserve to exist, ofc I donÆt go around killing fat people I just go around encouraging ætax on resource abusingÆ haha just kidding but I think people really need to a get a grip and if they want to fix **** do it politically, unfortunately that involves lying scheming and manipulating, sucks but theres many reasons why sincerity NEVER works.
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Also to Marcus :facepalm:, think before you reply FIRST!! Bring back Derek Chu |
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.13 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Alchemist's Alt
Originally by: ceaon violence is no the solution true but violence get **** done
Nahh history / psychology is proof of that
one thing Egypt pyramids
BTW greece haz 21% VAT from 15 this month other country's that have big VAT is sweden(but not 100% on EU) Denmark and i think finland |
Alchemist's Alt
Gallente Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.03.13 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Alchemist's Alt
Originally by: ceaon violence is no the solution true but violence get **** done
Nahh history / psychology is proof of that
one thing Egypt pyramids
BTW greece haz 21% VAT from 15 this month other country's that have big VAT is sweden(but not 100% on EU) Denmark and i think finland
Thats exactly my point, history / psychology is proof of violence not achieving anything, sure you can say it allowed for slaves etc to complete stuff but then I could easily say genocide solves population problems, not really efficient ;) FIRST!! Bring back Derek Chu |
jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf THE FEW.
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Posted - 2010.03.13 17:06:00 -
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looks like i wont be going to greece to spend my big fat city bonus on me holidays then
destroy everything you touch |
Nebulous
Minmatar Salvage Junkies
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Posted - 2010.03.13 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Alchemist's Alt
Im not a fan of the way governments do things but the idea is to fight fire with fire :P not burn those you dislike, your way of problem solving is the exactly WHY governments live and are there :P
Besides if you are ever successful in anarchy through YOUR methods you would only make things worse since destruction just promotes more destruction and encourages people that violence is the only answer to ANYTHING they feel is unnecessary.
Theres two sides to each story, it has always been the case, poor vs rich, rich are known to leech money and not care about lesser people but then you have poor people who envy the rich and believe they should get everything without trying, break that down into left vs right government in the end both sides are stupid for if you removed currency from reality neither side will hold any value.
So if the mutual stupidity continues both sides have to accept they are both equally in the wrong, thats the vicious cycle, nothing personal but I am somewhat more in favour of the elites most of the time and that is simply todo with the fact that the not so elites freely get themselves tricked, manipulated and screw themselves up. I am no way saying elite rich people are 'good', since good / evil is subjective but I prefer their methods on achieving results, politics is a ***** and should never be classed as good / evil but it is necessary something which poor people sadly just refuse to understand and work with.
Feel free to flame me at this but I am permanently stuck in a cross road between both worlds and as days go by I lose more and more respect for the 'not so elite'. I guess I am too neutral or æon the fenceÆ as people say ;) and no I donÆt approve of wars, manipulation, propaganda etc but it is impossible to be sincere and achieve results thanks to conspiracies and stupidity existing.
I HATE money, I also think working is the equivalent of paid slavery and think it is beyond stupid reading anything media related, but then on the other hand I hate lazy people who are obese and this may offend people but theres no benefits from being obese and people who allow themselves to get in that state donÆt deserve to exist, ofc I donÆt go around killing fat people I just go around encouraging ætax on resource abusingÆ haha just kidding but I think people really need to a get a grip and if they want to fix **** do it politically, unfortunately that involves lying scheming and manipulating, sucks but theres many reasons why sincerity NEVER works.
That was quite a good read, rare to see this level of inteligence applied to OOP.
I think the worlds leaders seriously need to sit down and employ a bunch of inteligent individuals from all walks of life and get them to study human behaviour on a level never seen before, compiling as much data as possible then bringing it together, to work out some type of global utopia, a world of fairness and equality that also takes into account our responsibility and duty to the planet and nature. I think a lot of people are ignorant to the truth of human behaviour and believe people are born good or evil and not taking into account we have so many corrupting (man made) conflicts on our journey through life.
In my opinion to achieve some kind of utopia you need to remove religion, money and politics and prioritize problem solving, science and technology. Technology is our greatest ally and can be used to solve almost any problem you can think of, the problem is that at the moment it is stifled by monetary constraints, the latest technology only gets developed if it is going to create profit.
History has shown that scarcity = bad behaviour, money = scarcity management, simple really.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.13 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
That was quite a good read, rare to see this level of inteligence applied to OOP.
I think the worlds leaders seriously need to sit down and employ a bunch of inteligent individuals from all walks of life and get them to study human behaviour on a level never seen before, compiling as much data as possible then bringing it together, to work out some type of global utopia, a world of fairness and equality that also takes into account our responsibility and duty to the planet and nature. I think a lot of people are ignorant to the truth of human behaviour and believe people are born good or evil and not taking into account we have so many corrupting (man made) conflicts on our journey through life.
In my opinion to achieve some kind of utopia you need to remove religion, money and politics and prioritize problem solving, science and technology. Technology is our greatest ally and can be used to solve almost any problem you can think of, the problem is that at the moment it is stifled by monetary constraints, the latest technology only gets developed if it is going to create profit.
History has shown that scarcity = bad behaviour, money = scarcity management, simple really.
in order to get that thing there have to be a massive revolution on the way ppl think (0,000000000000000001% to see that happen) or a ****storm of violence so the decision making guys change the pants (that can happen) so they go in some kind of super-police states then ppl to make the ****storm 2.0 and that hopefully will go in a thinking revolution
also remember this who know to do stuff, do what he knows who have a idea about how stuff are done teach others who dont know and have no idea how stuff are done leads |
Magnus Nordir
Caldari Nordir Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.13 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Actually, rioting like a bunch of anarchist crazies (if done on a wide enough scale) can eventually solve a lot of things. Although, you usually call that a "revolution" then. Not that it's not exactly the same thing, it's all a matter of number of people doing it.
Yes, and revolutions started by anarchist ****s usually end up in a couple decades of oppressive communist regime ruining everyone's lives.
But who am I kidding, this thread has now been populated by eve communists (who presumably pay for eve with their parents' credit cards), no sense in using rational arguments. --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost |
Rouge Drone
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Posted - 2010.03.13 19:43:00 -
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dagos will always find something to riot about
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.13 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir
Originally by: Akita T Actually, rioting like a bunch of anarchist crazies (if done on a wide enough scale) can eventually solve a lot of things. Although, you usually call that a "revolution" then. Not that it's not exactly the same thing, it's all a matter of number of people doing it.
Yes, and revolutions started by anarchist ****s usually end up in a couple decades of oppressive communist regime ruining everyone's lives.
But who am I kidding, this thread has now been populated by eve communists (who presumably pay for eve with their parents' credit cards), no sense in using rational arguments.
u are ignoring the fact that Akita is romanian and in '89 communism was removed in romania by a revolution |
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