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Number AB3369
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Posted - 2010.03.13 03:37:00 -
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After playing in 0.0 with HACs and Recons, I took a little break to gather some ISK and used only cheap stuff to PvP. And, I've found the Moa to be exceptional. It's just a really damn good ship and it's never flown and constantly underestimated.
Here's my solo fit.
[Moa, Cheap Solo Winmobile]
Lows:
DCU II
Magstab II
Magstab II
Magstab II
Mids:
10MN MWD II
Warp Scrambler II
Invul Field II
LSE II
Highs:
5x Heavy Ion Blaster IIs
Small Neut II
Rigs:
Ancilliary Current Router I
2x Whatever You Want
Drones:
3x Warrior II
This ship costs, in total, about 10M and is fully insurable. With my skills, which are good, but by no means perfect, it does 400 dps, pulls a 28K tank with a 65% weakest resist. The ship can punk anything from interceptors to ratting BC's, if you get them when they're drawing good aggro. And they're literally almost free to fly.
My question: why does no one fly this ship, cause it's ugly?
I'm considering dual boxing with another T1 cruiser. Can fly Caldari and Gallente with my other toon. Was thinking AML BB. Any thoughts?
-AB
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.13 03:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Number AB3369
My question: why does no one fly this ship, cause it's ugly?
It's beautiful! One of the few truly asymmetrical ships left in eve now that they're changing the scorpion.
But yes I agree, it's underrrated. Don't let it get out though! It makes people more likely to engage you :)
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Neoki
Gallente
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.03.13 03:58:00 -
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same fit I used for my low-sec ratting and PVP purposes when I feel up for it. It is underestimated, why? It may be due to the having to get up in your face and kill or die (As all in PVP) and be a little slow at it feel. But if people PVP in Brutix's they may be surprised to try this instead for nearly a 1/3rd the cost for as you said, exceptional performance.
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Needle Juice
Black.Code
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Posted - 2010.03.13 04:20:00 -
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it looks like a dinosaur with a briefcase...
great ship though :D
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.03.13 04:39:00 -
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The moa is pure awesome sauce when you drop the tackle for full tank 'n gank, Its probably my second favorite fw t1 gang ship past a trimarked dual td arbi.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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FlameGlow
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.13 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Number AB3369
My question: why does no one fly this ship, cause it's ugly?
Because thorax is just better at this and not as ugly
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Disunia Vertas
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.13 13:44:00 -
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Best Moa fit involves 5 gas harvester II's and cargo expanders..
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.03.13 14:13:00 -
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moa is engineering horror. looks like a turkey ran over by a car.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.13 14:26:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 13/03/2010 14:26:59
It reminds me of a boss robot from Descent 2.
Here
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.03.13 14:29:00 -
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Best description I heard was "the bastard child of a swan and a toaster"
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.03.13 14:29:00 -
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I look forward to seeing you commentate at the Alliance Tournament, Siigari.
Good thing you didn't lose that bet to Larkonis, eh?
- Intigo
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.03.13 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Number AB3369
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Hm, just my curiosity, but how do you plan killing ab frig that decides to stay out of mall neut range?
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Incipus
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Posted - 2010.03.14 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Disunia Vertas
Best Moa fit involves 5 gas harvester II's and cargo expanders..
^ This. moa is terrible otherwise. Please see Thorax or any other real cruiser.
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Stuart Price
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.03.14 00:21:00 -
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Oh ye of little Faith.
5 x Heavy Electron Blaster II
1 x Med Neut II
1 x 10mn MWD I
1 x Warp Scram II
1 x Stasis Web II
1 x LSE II
1 x DC II
3 x Magstab II
3 x CDFE I
3 x Hobgoblin II
Will shred most frigates. Not as effective as a Caracal but FAR less infamous. Will stand up to a surprising amount of cruisers as well.
Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.14 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist
I look forward to seeing you commentate at the Alliance Tournament, Siigari.
Good thing you didn't lose that bet to Larkonis, eh?
- Intigo
I bolded the slightly worrying part... what?
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
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Posted - 2010.03.14 02:24:00 -
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I actually like the way the Moa looks, but I don't see the point of flying a blaster Moa when I have Gallente cruiser 5.
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Stuart Price
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.03.14 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Reem Fairchild
I actually like the way the Moa looks, but I don't see the point of flying a blaster Moa when I have Gallente cruiser 5.
Because it's faster than a plated Gallente cruiser.
Because it's tougher than a plated Gallente cruiser that fits medium blasters.
Because it's choice of lows is proper easy: "DC AND LOADS OF MAGSTABS GO".
Because it's got less worries over range control within scram distance due to optimal bonus and being faster.
Because a chunky proportion of its dps can't be smartbombed or otherwise mangled separate from the ship.
Because it's so horrifically ugly people spend the first few seconds of a fight haemorrhaging from the eyes, giving you the edge while they clear the blood away and stop screaming.
Because after they're done with that they start laughing, giving you more precious advantage.
Because if you squint real hard you can pretend you're in a Gila, which is just plain awesome.
Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
Arrador
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Posted - 2010.03.14 03:45:00 -
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Nobody Primaries a moa. I personally fly without tackle. I've taken down a myrmidon and got a harbinger to 2% structure before My guns burnt out while flying with a gang of 4 other cruisers.
Love the little thing. I don't use extender rigs as i find them too damn expensive for a cruiser hull.
[Moa, bloa]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Small Nosferatu II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Hornet EC-300 x3
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.03.14 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
I actually like the way the Moa looks, but I don't see the point of flying a blaster Moa when I have Gallente cruiser 5.
Because it's faster than a plated Gallente cruiser.
Because it's tougher than a plated Gallente cruiser that fits medium blasters.
Because it's choice of lows is proper easy: "DC AND LOADS OF MAGSTABS GO".
Because it's got less worries over range control within scram distance due to optimal bonus and being faster.
Because a chunky proportion of its dps can't be smartbombed or otherwise mangled separate from the ship.
Because it's so horrifically ugly people spend the first few seconds of a fight haemorrhaging from the eyes, giving you the edge while they clear the blood away and stop screaming.
Because after they're done with that they start laughing, giving you more precious advantage.
Because if you squint real hard you can pretend you're in a Gila, which is just plain awesome.
/this
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.14 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
I actually like the way the Moa looks, but I don't see the point of flying a blaster Moa when I have Gallente cruiser 5.
Because it's faster than a plated Gallente cruiser.
Because it's tougher than a plated Gallente cruiser that fits medium blasters.
Because it's choice of lows is proper easy: "DC AND LOADS OF MAGSTABS GO".
Because it's got less worries over range control within scram distance due to optimal bonus and being faster.
Because a chunky proportion of its dps can't be smartbombed or otherwise mangled separate from the ship.
Because it's so horrifically ugly people spend the first few seconds of a fight haemorrhaging from the eyes, giving you the edge while they clear the blood away and stop screaming.
Because after they're done with that they start laughing, giving you more precious advantage.
Because if you squint real hard you can pretend you're in a Gila, which is just plain awesome.
Bolded the important bits, it's funny how gallente blaster pilots always whine about not having any range and then laugh at Caldari blaster boats for some unknown reason. You don't have to plate them, on average they have a very decent tank and you can fit tackle and their dps is still good. Until you start shield tanking Gallente ships ofcourse, then it all changes again. But people will STILL only fit magstabs while whining about range and tracking...
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Izzybella
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Posted - 2010.03.14 10:58:00 -
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Moa is an awesome ship, but keep it on the down low or poeple will stop underestimating you.
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TooNu
Caldari
Nefarious Activities
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Posted - 2010.03.14 11:02:00 -
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Thread made by a certain Norwegian pirate? He was the only guy to fly the Moa with any class. |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.03.14 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price
Because...
Its all interesting, only that 5x ecm meds are still more useful.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
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Posted - 2010.03.14 12:43:00 -
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Actually:
1. The Moa is not faster than a Thorax with an armor plate (unless the Thorax is using armor rigs). The Thorax is a teeny tiny bit faster with an 800 mm and a teen tiny bit slower with a 1600 mm. It's a very slight difference either way.
2. A Thorax with an 800 mm plate, DC, and EANM (leaving 2 slots for damage mods) has almost the same EHP as a Moa with an LSE and DC.
3. A Thorax with electron blasters and 2 damage mods has more turret DPS than a Moa with electrons and 3 damage mods. So, even if all drones are lost, the Thorax still does more damage.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.14 13:07:00 -
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And regarding range, for battleships you got a point, the rokh has somewhat reasonable range with null. However if you use med electron blaster with + 50% optimal range = still no range.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.03.14 13:15:00 -
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As soon as you put a plate on the Thorax, the Moa also becomes a lot more agile.
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Fortuk Monmouth
Pilipino Corp
Primary.
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Posted - 2010.03.14 15:52:00 -
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Moa is a great ship, people who think it sucks have no clue.
I have flown the blaster moa with some great success, people really underestimate this ship and I have seen inties/AFs not keep up transversal or get closer than they should.
Moa is also a great ship for newbs in fleets. I remember being a noob in IRON using a sniper moa.
Originally by: hango
Our corp chat is generally full of people e-hugging and e-snuggling. ISD is cool like that.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.03.14 16:18:00 -
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Rupture >>>moa , so you think the moa is good because it has better buffer than the thorax? :O
Yeah it is better at running out of cap :)
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Proxyyyy
Caldari
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.03.14 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Proxyyyy on 14/03/2010 16:49:26
Originally by: Naomi Knight
Rupture >>>moa , so you think the moa is good because it has better buffer than the thorax? :O
Yeah it is better at running out of cap :)
^Pretty much the above. Yeah the moa is not a bad ship as some might think, but it still has to go into blaster range. So im not so sure how important agility is at that point (unless it was kiting). Also the cap issue is a big one believe me. To which i autocannon fit this ship to get rid of the cap issues. As for its ability to kill frigs with just 3 drones and med blasters. That's not true for ships that use autocannons like the rifter, but any of the other ships that use cap based weapon systems will die. If you have realy good drone managment that is...
Generaly the best ones ive seen have also been small blaster fitted and have 1600MM/plates and one LSE.
The only reason i think the moa has a slight advantange over the thorax is because of a neut. When engaging another cruiser though. Id rather be in a throax everytime tbh.
Also the diffrence between the Blaster moa and Autocannon moa is 40 dps when gank fitted. But you have capless a weapons system, damage seletion, better tracking and range.
In anycase the moa is not in the same class as the Rupture, Vexor and Arby. btw the cruiser class is the most difficult to fly and because of that you will not find alot of them around almost never. Most my time in cruisers is spent fighting large frig gangs solo. In my rupture i have engaged curses's, pilrgim's, rapier's, arazu's and vagabond's. Killed 1 curse never took out a pilgrim because they always had a gank behind them and the same for the vagabbond or else i would have taken out 2 of those. Those things can only realy be done in a Vexor or Rupture which dont need any cap to run their weapon systems. Both do alot of damage have large tanks and one is realy fast even with a 1600mm plate on provided you dont trimark it. Those 2 ships can kill hacs and recons with standard fits. The difrence between the top 2 cruisers and the others is like night and day...
Infact i rather fly the caracal more than the moa tbh!
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Gavin Darklighter
THE FINAL STAND
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.03.14 17:50:00 -
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People don't fly a moa because of ferox.
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