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Number AB3369	Posted - 2010.03.13 03:37:00 - [1] After playing in 0.0 with HACs and Recons, I took a little break to gather some ISK and used only cheap stuff to PvP. And, I've found the Moa to be exceptional. It's just a really damn good ship and it's never flown and constantly underestimated. Here's my solo fit. [Moa, Cheap Solo Winmobile] Lows: DCU II Magstab II Magstab II Magstab II Mids: 10MN MWD II Warp Scrambler II Invul Field II LSE II Highs: 5x Heavy Ion Blaster IIs Small Neut II Rigs: Ancilliary Current Router I 2x Whatever You Want Drones: 3x Warrior II This ship costs, in total, about 10M and is fully insurable. With my skills, which are good, but by no means perfect, it does 400 dps, pulls a 28K tank with a 65% weakest resist. The ship can punk anything from interceptors to ratting BC's, if you get them when they're drawing good aggro. And they're literally almost free to fly. My question: why does no one fly this ship, cause it's ugly? I'm considering dual boxing with another T1 cruiser. Can fly Caldari and Gallente with my other toon. Was thinking AML BB. Any thoughts? -AB
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.13 03:54:00 - [2] Originally by: Number AB3369 My question: why does no one fly this ship, cause it's ugly? It's beautiful! One of the few truly asymmetrical ships left in eve now that they're changing the scorpion. But yes I agree, it's underrrated. Don't let it get out though! It makes people more likely to engage you :)
Neoki Gallente State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.03.13 03:58:00 - [3] same fit I used for my low-sec ratting and PVP purposes when I feel up for it. It is underestimated, why? It may be due to the having to get up in your face and kill or die (As all in PVP) and be a little slow at it feel. But if people PVP in Brutix's they may be surprised to try this instead for nearly a 1/3rd the cost for as you said, exceptional performance.
Needle Juice Black.Code	Posted - 2010.03.13 04:20:00 - [4] it looks like a dinosaur with a briefcase... great ship though :D __________________________________________________
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.13 04:39:00 - [5] The moa is pure awesome sauce when you drop the tackle for full tank 'n gank, Its probably my second favorite fw t1 gang ship past a trimarked dual td arbi. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
FlameGlow Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.13 05:36:00 - [6] Originally by: Number AB3369 My question: why does no one fly this ship, cause it's ugly? Because thorax is just better at this and not as ugly Furthermore, you're already reading my sig
Disunia Vertas Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.13 13:44:00 - [7] Best Moa fit involves 5 gas harvester II's and cargo expanders..
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.03.13 14:13:00 - [8] moa is engineering horror. looks like a turkey ran over by a car. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.13 14:26:00 - [9] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 13/03/2010 14:26:59 It reminds me of a boss robot from Descent 2. Here www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.03.13 14:29:00 - [10] Best description I heard was "the bastard child of a swan and a toaster" _________________________________ Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.03.13 14:29:00 - [11] I look forward to seeing you commentate at the Alliance Tournament, Siigari. Good thing you didn't lose that bet to Larkonis, eh? - Intigo
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.03.13 14:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Number AB3369 ... Hm, just my curiosity, but how do you plan killing ab frig that decides to stay out of mall neut range?
Incipus	Posted - 2010.03.14 00:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Disunia Vertas Best Moa fit involves 5 gas harvester II's and cargo expanders.. ^ This. moa is terrible otherwise. Please see Thorax or any other real cruiser.
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.03.14 00:21:00 - [14] Oh ye of little Faith. 5 x Heavy Electron Blaster II 1 x Med Neut II 1 x 10mn MWD I 1 x Warp Scram II 1 x Stasis Web II 1 x LSE II 1 x DC II 3 x Magstab II 3 x CDFE I 3 x Hobgoblin II Will shred most frigates. Not as effective as a Caracal but FAR less infamous. Will stand up to a surprising amount of cruisers as well. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.03.14 02:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Amarr Supremacist I look forward to seeing you commentate at the Alliance Tournament, Siigari. Good thing you didn't lose that bet to Larkonis, eh? - Intigo I bolded the slightly worrying part... what? ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Punic Corp.	Posted - 2010.03.14 02:24:00 - [16] I actually like the way the Moa looks, but I don't see the point of flying a blaster Moa when I have Gallente cruiser 5. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.03.14 03:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Reem Fairchild I actually like the way the Moa looks, but I don't see the point of flying a blaster Moa when I have Gallente cruiser 5. Because it's faster than a plated Gallente cruiser. Because it's tougher than a plated Gallente cruiser that fits medium blasters. Because it's choice of lows is proper easy: "DC AND LOADS OF MAGSTABS GO". Because it's got less worries over range control within scram distance due to optimal bonus and being faster. Because a chunky proportion of its dps can't be smartbombed or otherwise mangled separate from the ship. Because it's so horrifically ugly people spend the first few seconds of a fight haemorrhaging from the eyes, giving you the edge while they clear the blood away and stop screaming. Because after they're done with that they start laughing, giving you more precious advantage. Because if you squint real hard you can pretend you're in a Gila, which is just plain awesome. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Arrador	Posted - 2010.03.14 03:45:00 - [18] Nobody Primaries a moa. I personally fly without tackle. I've taken down a myrmidon and got a harbinger to 2% structure before My guns burnt out while flying with a gang of 4 other cruisers. Love the little thing. I don't use extender rigs as i find them too damn expensive for a cruiser hull. [Moa, bloa] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Small Nosferatu II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hornet EC-300 x3
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.14 05:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Stuart Price Originally by: Reem Fairchild I actually like the way the Moa looks, but I don't see the point of flying a blaster Moa when I have Gallente cruiser 5. Because it's faster than a plated Gallente cruiser. Because it's tougher than a plated Gallente cruiser that fits medium blasters. Because it's choice of lows is proper easy: "DC AND LOADS OF MAGSTABS GO". Because it's got less worries over range control within scram distance due to optimal bonus and being faster. Because a chunky proportion of its dps can't be smartbombed or otherwise mangled separate from the ship. Because it's so horrifically ugly people spend the first few seconds of a fight haemorrhaging from the eyes, giving you the edge while they clear the blood away and stop screaming. Because after they're done with that they start laughing, giving you more precious advantage. Because if you squint real hard you can pretend you're in a Gila, which is just plain awesome. /this Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.03.14 10:34:00 - [20] Originally by: Stuart Price Originally by: Reem Fairchild I actually like the way the Moa looks, but I don't see the point of flying a blaster Moa when I have Gallente cruiser 5. Because it's faster than a plated Gallente cruiser. Because it's tougher than a plated Gallente cruiser that fits medium blasters. Because it's choice of lows is proper easy: "DC AND LOADS OF MAGSTABS GO". Because it's got less worries over range control within scram distance due to optimal bonus and being faster. Because a chunky proportion of its dps can't be smartbombed or otherwise mangled separate from the ship. Because it's so horrifically ugly people spend the first few seconds of a fight haemorrhaging from the eyes, giving you the edge while they clear the blood away and stop screaming. Because after they're done with that they start laughing, giving you more precious advantage. Because if you squint real hard you can pretend you're in a Gila, which is just plain awesome. Bolded the important bits, it's funny how gallente blaster pilots always whine about not having any range and then laugh at Caldari blaster boats for some unknown reason. You don't have to plate them, on average they have a very decent tank and you can fit tackle and their dps is still good. Until you start shield tanking Gallente ships ofcourse, then it all changes again. But people will STILL only fit magstabs while whining about range and tracking... ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service
Izzybella	Posted - 2010.03.14 10:58:00 - [21] Moa is an awesome ship, but keep it on the down low or poeple will stop underestimating you.
TooNu Caldari Nefarious Activities	Posted - 2010.03.14 11:02:00 - [22] Thread made by a certain Norwegian pirate? He was the only guy to fly the Moa with any class.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.03.14 12:38:00 - [23] Originally by: Stuart Price Because... Its all interesting, only that 5x ecm meds are still more useful.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Punic Corp.	Posted - 2010.03.14 12:43:00 - [24] Actually: 1. The Moa is not faster than a Thorax with an armor plate (unless the Thorax is using armor rigs). The Thorax is a teeny tiny bit faster with an 800 mm and a teen tiny bit slower with a 1600 mm. It's a very slight difference either way. 2. A Thorax with an 800 mm plate, DC, and EANM (leaving 2 slots for damage mods) has almost the same EHP as a Moa with an LSE and DC. 3. A Thorax with electron blasters and 2 damage mods has more turret DPS than a Moa with electrons and 3 damage mods. So, even if all drones are lost, the Thorax still does more damage. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.14 13:07:00 - [25] And regarding range, for battleships you got a point, the rokh has somewhat reasonable range with null. However if you use med electron blaster with + 50% optimal range = still no range.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.03.14 13:15:00 - [26] As soon as you put a plate on the Thorax, the Moa also becomes a lot more agile.
Fortuk Monmouth Pilipino Corp Primary.	Posted - 2010.03.14 15:52:00 - [27] Moa is a great ship, people who think it sucks have no clue. I have flown the blaster moa with some great success, people really underestimate this ship and I have seen inties/AFs not keep up transversal or get closer than they should. Moa is also a great ship for newbs in fleets. I remember being a noob in IRON using a sniper moa. Originally by: hango Our corp chat is generally full of people e-hugging and e-snuggling. ISD is cool like that.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.03.14 16:18:00 - [28] Rupture >>>moa , so you think the moa is good because it has better buffer than the thorax? :O Yeah it is better at running out of cap :)
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.03.14 16:49:00 - [29] Edited by: Proxyyyy on 14/03/2010 16:49:26 Originally by: Naomi Knight Rupture >>>moa , so you think the moa is good because it has better buffer than the thorax? :O Yeah it is better at running out of cap :) ^Pretty much the above. Yeah the moa is not a bad ship as some might think, but it still has to go into blaster range. So im not so sure how important agility is at that point (unless it was kiting). Also the cap issue is a big one believe me. To which i autocannon fit this ship to get rid of the cap issues. As for its ability to kill frigs with just 3 drones and med blasters. That's not true for ships that use autocannons like the rifter, but any of the other ships that use cap based weapon systems will die. If you have realy good drone managment that is... Generaly the best ones ive seen have also been small blaster fitted and have 1600MM/plates and one LSE. The only reason i think the moa has a slight advantange over the thorax is because of a neut. When engaging another cruiser though. Id rather be in a throax everytime tbh. Also the diffrence between the Blaster moa and Autocannon moa is 40 dps when gank fitted. But you have capless a weapons system, damage seletion, better tracking and range. In anycase the moa is not in the same class as the Rupture, Vexor and Arby. btw the cruiser class is the most difficult to fly and because of that you will not find alot of them around almost never. Most my time in cruisers is spent fighting large frig gangs solo. In my rupture i have engaged curses's, pilrgim's, rapier's, arazu's and vagabond's. Killed 1 curse never took out a pilgrim because they always had a gank behind them and the same for the vagabbond or else i would have taken out 2 of those. Those things can only realy be done in a Vexor or Rupture which dont need any cap to run their weapon systems. Both do alot of damage have large tanks and one is realy fast even with a 1600mm plate on provided you dont trimark it. Those 2 ships can kill hacs and recons with standard fits. The difrence between the top 2 cruisers and the others is like night and day... Infact i rather fly the caracal more than the moa tbh!
Gavin Darklighter THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.03.14 17:50:00 - [30] People don't fly a moa because of ferox. signature picture exceeds the size limit.~WeatherMan
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.14 18:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Marko Riva I bolded the slightly worrying part... what? How cool! I knew he'd applied to be a commentator, but I didn't realize Siig had made it all the way. If you do a bit of searching, his application video is on youtube - I don't have a link or I'd link you. To me what's important in a commentator is that there are no egregious errors in commentating and that whoever is doing it puts on a good show. IMO, this is something that Siig is more than capable of. He's just so damn charismatic in person. At any rate, I suspect that even the best PVPers in the game would be second guessed and ridiculed for tiny mistakes on camera by Intigo et al (You know, the superiority complex people). Well, between me being such a boring stick in the mud and being worried I'd forget the targeting range of the Brutix when triple damped by a max skilled Arazu I don't think I'll ever apply to be a commentator. I can just see the flaming already "LOL HOW CUD U 4GET THAT LOLOLOLOL EVRY1 NOS THAT LOLOLOL" I could be showing my opinion of Intigo's **poasting though. ::shrug:: -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.03.14 18:52:00 - [32] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Marko Riva I bolded the slightly worrying part... what? How cool! I knew he'd applied to be a commentator, but I didn't realize Siig had made it all the way. If you do a bit of searching, his application video is on youtube - I don't have a link or I'd link you. To me what's important in a commentator is that there are no egregious errors in commentating and that whoever is doing it puts on a good show. IMO, this is something that Siig is more than capable of. He's just so damn charismatic in person. At any rate, I suspect that even the best PVPers in the game would be second guessed and ridiculed for tiny mistakes on camera by Intigo et al (You know, the superiority complex people). Well, between me being such a boring stick in the mud and being worried I'd forget the targeting range of the Brutix when triple damped by a max skilled Arazu I don't think I'll ever apply to be a commentator. I can just see the flaming already "LOL HOW CUD U 4GET THAT LOLOLOLOL EVRY1 NOS THAT LOLOLOL" I could be showing my opinion of Intigo's ****poasting though. ::shrug:: -Liang FYI... I was kidding. He was acting all high and mighty about it but he did not get picked. - Intigo
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.14 18:55:00 - [33] Originally by: Amarr Supremacist FYI... I was kidding. I wasn't. You're a terrible **poaster, and I fully expect to read your emoraging over the slightest mistakes of whoever did get picked. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.03.14 18:57:00 - [34] Edited by: Amarr Supremacist on 14/03/2010 19:02:35 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Amarr Supremacist FYI... I was kidding. I wasn't. You're a terrible ****poaster, and I fully expect to read your emoraging over the slightest mistakes of whoever did get picked. -Liang I like the part with him losing 2b to Lark in a bet (which, apparently, he has not paid yet) because he was so certain he would get the spot. Edit: Also, I would like to thank you for mentioning the video. Good laugh, that. - Intigo
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.14 19:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Amarr Supremacist I like the part with him losing 2b to Lark in a bet (which, apparently, he has not paid yet) because he was so certain he would get the spot. - Intigo Lets keep the discussion firmly centered on your **poasting. Oh wait, you're doing a fantastic job of it already. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.03.14 19:05:00 - [36] Could you get back to the topic and do this argue between you?
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.14 19:07:00 - [37] Originally by: Naomi Knight Could you get back to the topic and do this argue between you? Awesome, if we try hard enough I'm sure we can get all the **poasters of Eve in the same topic! -Liang Fakeedit: Naomi, at least you tend to attack ideas and are nothing more than a blatant Caldari boost puppet (regardless of if its necessary or not). I don't mind if you Caldari get boosted to way overpowered... I've got 2 max skilled Caldari alts! <3 <3 -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Punic Corp.	Posted - 2010.03.14 19:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Fortuk Monmouth I remember being a noob in IRON using a sniper moa. Now, see a rail sniper Moa I do see a point in using. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.03.14 20:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Fortuk Monmouth I remember being a noob in IRON using a sniper moa. Now, see a rail sniper Moa I do see a point in using. What point? The point of bringing the most useless ship you can to a defence gang?
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.14 20:12:00 - [40] Originally by: Amarr Supremacist What point? The point of bringing the most useless ship you can to a defence gang? TBH, I'd rather have 90 sniper moas and 10 zealots in my camp than just 10 zealots. Get the noobs out there in something at least IMO. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Punic Corp.	Posted - 2010.03.14 20:21:00 - [41] Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Fortuk Monmouth I remember being a noob in IRON using a sniper moa. Now, see a rail sniper Moa I do see a point in using. What point? The point of bringing the most useless ship you can to a defence gang? If I had to bring a tech 1 cruiser and I needed a ranged sniper - no other tech 1 cruiser can snipe as well as the Moa. But if I need a close range, high damage, ship - I have Thorax, Vexor and Rupture to choose from first. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Zhilia Mann	Posted - 2010.03.14 20:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Gavin Darklighter People don't fly a moa because of ferox. This, I'm afraid, is the correct answer. Ferox with a full rack of Neutrons firing Null outdamages a Moa with a full rack of Ions firing CNAM and they both need an ACR to fit. And that's not even taking into account the FMP + Scorch FMP Ferox with the gang booster active....
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.03.14 22:19:00 - [43] Edited by: Naomi Knight on 14/03/2010 22:19:30 Originally by: Zhilia Mann Originally by: Gavin Darklighter People don't fly a moa because of ferox. This, I'm afraid, is the correct answer. Ferox with a full rack of Neutrons firing Null outdamages a Moa with a full rack of Ions firing CNAM and they both need an ACR to fit. And that's not even taking into account the FMP + Scorch FMP Ferox with the gang booster active.... Not realy because of drake^^ Btw who the hell would fly the ferox if he can use pulses???:O
Beltantis Torrence Groovy Guns	Posted - 2010.03.14 22:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Number AB3369 After playing in 0.0 with HACs and Recons, I took a little break to gather some ISK and used only cheap stuff to PvP. And, I've found the Moa to be exceptional. It's just a really damn good ship and it's never flown and constantly underestimated. Here's my solo fit. [Moa, Cheap Solo Winmobile] Lows: DCU II Magstab II Magstab II Magstab II Mids: 10MN MWD II Warp Scrambler II Invul Field II LSE II Highs: 5x Heavy Ion Blaster IIs Small Neut II Rigs: Ancilliary Current Router I 2x Whatever You Want Drones: 3x Warrior II This ship costs, in total, about 10M and is fully insurable. With my skills, which are good, but by no means perfect, it does 400 dps, pulls a 28K tank with a 65% weakest resist. The ship can punk anything from interceptors to ratting BC's, if you get them when they're drawing good aggro. And they're literally almost free to fly. My question: why does no one fly this ship, cause it's ugly? I'm considering dual boxing with another T1 cruiser. Can fly Caldari and Gallente with my other toon. Was thinking AML BB. Any thoughts? -AB It's not underrated. Your fit isn't very good. Why? Cannot kill frigs because it has no web and cannot track them close range. Cannot kill ruptures because they are too fast to get caught inside of blaster range and have their own webs. Will die to a thorax thanks to ECM drones. Will die to an arbitrator because it cannot catch it. What exactly is this ship supposed to be good at? It may have tank but that tank won't do anything if it can't kill anything other than PVE fit BC's that you catch napping. Almost every other cruiser is faster with better range and a web so you won't be able to get close enough to kill them unless they're total newbs.
Berenices Herculina Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.03.14 23:47:00 - [45] People use Drake and Caracal mostly because they have missile skills. Moa and Ferox are alright, but not really worth... Quote: 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to all Shield resistances per level In the name of balance, both of those bonuses are bad.
Potrero Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.03.15 01:52:00 - [46] Originally by: Needle Juice ...dinosaur with a briefcase... I'd have said "metal chicken with a briefcase." But yeah we're on the same page. Makes me think of something someone said about the Dominix. "If it was better-looking, it would be overpowered."
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2010.03.15 18:57:00 - [47] No, the Moa is not most underrated. The Bellicose is. People forget it has 40m3 drones. -- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.15 19:08:00 - [48] Originally by: Guillame Herschel No, the Moa is not most underrated. The Bellicose is. People forget it has 40m3 drones. Indeed. People also forget that not everyone is cross trained for every freakin race and its weapon systems or even want to cross train. In that case if you are caldari and you gang needs a close in tanky damage dealer then your best bet is the moa. It is just about as good as any other close range t1 ship regardless of whatever damage chart the eft whoors pull out that shows the rax beating it by 23 points of hull left in that mythical 1vs1 match that never happens on tq. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Beltantis Torrence Groovy Guns	Posted - 2010.03.15 21:57:00 - [49] Edited by: Beltantis Torrence on 15/03/2010 21:57:53 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Guillame Herschel No, the Moa is not most underrated. The Bellicose is. People forget it has 40m3 drones. Indeed. People also forget that not everyone is cross trained for every freakin race and its weapon systems or even want to cross train. In that case if you are caldari and you gang needs a close in tanky damage dealer then your best bet is the moa. It is just about as good as any other close range t1 ship regardless of whatever damage chart the eft whoors pull out that shows the rax beating it by 23 points of hull left in that mythical 1vs1 match that never happens on tq. Op was talking about solo PVP. In a gang its fine. Solo there's hardly anything it can take and its suicide taking it to a belt. Edited to add: And just because you never solo PVP doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I'll usually spend half my time in the game doing solo PVP, it's more gratifying in many ways than gang PVP.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.16 01:10:00 - [50] Originally by: Beltantis Torrence Edited to add: And just because you never solo PVP doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I'll usually spend half my time in the game doing solo PVP, it's more gratifying in many ways than gang PVP. Actually I spent most of my early pvp career soloing or multiboxing in low sec and nullsec with a variety of ships ranging from suicide fit t1 crap to faction fitted recons and bombers with the odd cloaking bs along for the lulz. Finding a suitable single target that you can kill before backup arrives is a very long drawn out process though I do admit that when you pull it off it is defininlty most gratifiying. Still doesn't change the fact that solo pvp on tq is vashingly rare and not enough of a factor to bash a specific ship as worthless. Moa is a fine ship and well worth adding to a gang if that is all the pilot can afford to fly. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Joe Censored Unknown-Entity Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.16 01:28:00 - [51] Originally by: Number AB3369 My question: why does no one fly this ship, cause it's ugly? Part of the answer might be that missiles are the more common weapon specialty for Caldari pilots, so the Caldari gun boats are always a bit more rarely seen than you might expect.
Mahke Aeon Of Strife Discord.	Posted - 2010.03.16 03:24:00 - [52] Edited by: Mahke on 16/03/2010 03:23:54 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Guillame Herschel No, the Moa is not most underrated. The Bellicose is. People forget it has 40m3 drones. Indeed. People also forget that not everyone is cross trained for every freakin race and its weapon systems or even want to cross train. In that case if you are caldari and you gang needs a close in tanky damage dealer then your best bet is the moa. It is just about as good as any other close range t1 ship regardless of whatever damage chart the eft whoors pull out that shows the rax beating it by 23 points of hull left in that mythical 1vs1 match that never happens on tq. Except that pure caldari pilots often neglect their gun skills, and if they do get gunnery skills will often then crosstrain. I used to be pure caldari way back, realized I wanted guns, and then realized that because I wanted guns skills I might as well crosstrain fully into amarr or minmatar. A caldari pilot who doesnt want to crosstrain also most likely doesn't have or want good gunnery skills either.
Zhilia Mann	Posted - 2010.03.16 10:17:00 - [53] Originally by: Naomi Knight Not realy because of drake^^ Btw who the hell would fly the ferox if he can use pulses???:O Unfortunately true. Drake >= Harbi > Prophecy > Ferox (except in a sniping role, where the Eagle clearly wins out) > Moa The only thing the Moa has going for it on that list is that it's the cheapest. And that's why no one flies a Moa, especially as a blaster boat. QED.
Beltantis Torrence Groovy Guns	Posted - 2010.03.16 11:11:00 - [54] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Beltantis Torrence Edited to add: And just because you never solo PVP doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I'll usually spend half my time in the game doing solo PVP, it's more gratifying in many ways than gang PVP. Actually I spent most of my early pvp career soloing or multiboxing in low sec and nullsec with a variety of ships ranging from suicide fit t1 crap to faction fitted recons and bombers with the odd cloaking bs along for the lulz. Finding a suitable single target that you can kill before backup arrives is a very long drawn out process though I do admit that when you pull it off it is defininlty most gratifiying. Still doesn't change the fact that solo pvp on tq is vashingly rare and not enough of a factor to bash a specific ship as worthless. Moa is a fine ship and well worth adding to a gang if that is all the pilot can afford to fly. In FW its as simple as running through the common loops. I get solo fights within minutes often.
Dead3y3	Posted - 2010.03.16 12:25:00 - [55] Edited by: Dead3y3 on 16/03/2010 12:25:58 Edited by: Dead3y3 on 16/03/2010 12:25:18 Wait what? Moa > Thorax? Moa wee
Arrador	Posted - 2010.03.16 13:47:00 - [56] Originally by: Zhilia Mann Originally by: Naomi Knight Not realy because of drake^^ Btw who the hell would fly the ferox if he can use pulses???:O Unfortunately true. Drake >= Harbi > Prophecy > Ferox (except in a sniping role, where the Eagle clearly wins out) > Moa The only thing the Moa has going for it on that list is that it's the cheapest. And that's why no one flies a Moa, especially as a blaster boat. QED. Blaster fit Moa pilot checking in. Works great for a roaming t1 cruiser gang.

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