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LiNuXb0y Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2010.03.16 00:54:00 - [31] Originally by: lil Ghork Originally by: Zeba Originally by: LiNuXb0y [Wolf, pvp] Centii C-Type Small Armor Repairer Pseudoelectron Containment Field I 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Gyrostabilizer II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Wait wat? You are claiming to have killed a jag with that fit? Using emp of all things? Did it even have a tank fitted? i dont have any personal experience in either ship, so cant say which would win, but surely your comment is ******ation at its worst Surely any minnie pilot would carry EMP/Fusion/Phased Plasma and Barrage and prolly use Fusion in that situation What he said, I just have emp in eft
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.16 00:56:00 - [32] Edited by: Zeba on 16/03/2010 00:59:48 Originally by: lil Ghork i dont have any personal experience in either ship so cant say which would win, Then why did you bother to comment on something you have no idea about? Originally by: lil Ghork but surely your comment is ****ation at its worst Surely any minnie pilot would carry EMP/Fusion/Phased Plasma and Barrage and prolly use Fusion in that situation **ation is using alts to argue for your case. But anyways look at a jags base shield resists and you will quickly find that no matter what projectile ammo you use a properly shield tanked jag is going to eat it alive. pp hits a base of 60% and fusion a base of 50% before rigs. That wolf fit has terribad armour resists vs fusion with little shield hp to offset it not to mention a neut with an active repper. No matter what he runs out of cap as I tank his damage and grind his lopsided resist tank to nothing with a quickness. Wolf excels at one thing and one thing only: Kiting out at around 15~20km with its falloff bonus and whooring killmails but alas he is ab fit so he can't keep range. Also: DON'T CALL ME SHIRLEY!!! Originally by:** LiNuXb0y What he said, I just have emp in eft Oh of course. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Ophelia Ursus	Posted - 2010.03.16 01:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Zeba ******ation is using alts to argue for your case. But anyways look at a jags base shield resists and you will quickly find that no matter what projectile ammo you use a properly shield tanked jag is going to eat it alive. pp hits a base of 60% and fusion a base of 50% before rigs. That wolf fit has terribad armour resists vs fusion with little shield hp to offset it not to mention a neut with an active repper. No matter what he runs out of cap as I tank his damage and grind his lopsided resist tank to nothing with a quickness. Wolf excels at one thing and one thing only: Kiting out at around 15~20km with its falloff bonus and whooring killmails but alas he is ab fit so he can't keep range. Also: DON'T CALL ME SHIRLEY!!! Uh... the diminishing power drain is the meta 4 nos. And a decent Wolf fit (which that is) will beat an AB-scram-web Jag for dps:tank and range. What it won't do is prevent that Jag from leaving when he decides he doesn't like the way the fight's going; with the web, the Jag can disengage at will. If the jag has no web, then he's either dualprop (still faster than the Wolf, will disengage and warp off in low shields) or dual MSE (better tank:gank than a non-slaved Wolf, will stick around and make the Wolf asplode). That said, having the capability to disengage does not mean that it's going to be used; I've lost my share of Jags and other things due to the red mist descending and subsequently failing to notice that it's time to gtfo. WTB: tracking bonus instead of optimal for the Jag.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.16 01:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Ophelia Ursus Uh... the diminishing power drain is the meta 4 nos. Yes you are correct and that does change the fight a bit. However I always fit a neut to my jag so we will both cap out at about the same time with his nos and repper going. That still leaves me with superiour base speed and tank so as long as I can keep pulsing the scram on him he will die or warp away. Now against other frigates especialy amarr ones that wolf fit will do quite well as they will cap out and not be able shoot back so he will have plenty of cap to run the tackle. I should also mention I always have the optimal jump clone in effect when flying my beloved jag so that influances my bravado when talking about it. Snake set and hardwirings tailored specifically to boost the correct stats ftw. Originally by: Ophelia Ursus WTB: tracking bonus instead of optimal for the Jag. /signed Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
LiNuXb0y Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2010.03.16 02:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Ophelia Ursus Uh... the diminishing power drain is the meta 4 nos. Yes you are correct and that does change the fight a bit. However I always fit a neut to my jag so we will both cap out at about the same time with his nos and repper going. That still leaves me with superiour base speed and tank so as long as I can keep pulsing the scram on him he will die or warp away. Now against other frigates especialy amarr ones that wolf fit will do quite well as they will cap out and not be able shoot back so he will have plenty of cap to run the tackle. I should also mention I always have the optimal jump clone in effect when flying my beloved jag so that influances my bravado when talking about it. Snake set and hardwirings tailored specifically to boost the correct stats ftw. Originally by: Ophelia Ursus WTB: tracking bonus instead of optimal for the Jag. /signed Ugh so your now takeing into account a clone with snakes and whatever hardwritings I also dont use alt to argue for me as you suggested. wolf vs jag is more then likely down to personal taste, I dont like the ship, and I dont think its as good as allot of people make out. But personal taste/preference is one of the best things about this game. Tracking bonus would be nice for the jag but the combo of the decent buffer, web, speed and tracking bonus would be way overpowerd
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.16 03:00:00 - [36] Originally by: LiNuXb0y Ugh so your now takeing into account a clone with snakes and whatever hardwritings It would be unfair of me to not to take into account those items when I talk about a ship I use extensively and am giving a personal opinion on. If I didn't then you might get the idea that a non implant boosted jag can do what I'm talking about. Which it can actually, just not quite as effortlessly. Originally by: LiNuXb0y I also dont use alt to argue for me as you suggested. Originally by: LiNuXb0y wolf vs jag is more then likely down to personal taste, I dont like the ship, and I dont think its as good as allot of people make out. But personal taste/preference is one of the best things about this game. This is true. But my personal taste and experience with both is that the jag is superiour to the wolf in every way past kiting at the edge of the fight and applying acceptable dps. Besides the jag's awesome scan res just screams pod popper and you gotta be right up close to do that. Originally by: LiNuXb0y Tracking bonus would be nice for the jag but the combo of the decent buffer, web, speed and tracking bonus would be way overpowerd Overpowered is such a harsh a word. I would prefer the description of Moar Superiour. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Ahz	Posted - 2010.03.16 03:08:00 - [37] Originally by: LiNuXb0y [Wolf, pvp] Centii C-Type Small Armor Repairer Pseudoelectron Containment Field I 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Gyrostabilizer II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Trimark Armor Pump I This is why people need to fit neuts on their Vagabonds.
Mahke Aeon Of Strife Discord.	Posted - 2010.03.16 04:03:00 - [38] The answer to any and every frigate question is fly a dramiel instead if you have the isk.
Darthewok State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.03.16 04:20:00 - [39] flip a coin or go with your personal preference. minny and gallente frigs and AFs are so well-balanced, its really hard to say one has a very clear advantage over the other.
Stop Posting	Posted - 2010.03.16 09:01:00 - [40] Originally by: Kenpotchi Originally by: Ahz Thoughts on which I should go with? Can't speak for the Gallente ships. But I do know that the Jaguar and the Wolf both have reputations for being solid assault frigates. That said, you might think about the other ships you get with frigate V. For the Minmatar it includes the Hound which I think is regarded as the best stealth bomber in the game. The Gallente stealth bomber tends to get no love. Manticor is the best SB btw. As for which race I would go with the Ishkur. Caldari = Fail srry

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