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Ivalobon
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Posted - 2010.03.15 15:06:00 -
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I have seen a lot of so called pvp players who think making isk in 0.0 or for that matter in high sec as being a dirty or bad thing.
In the exact words of an ex friend ôur only interrests are in ratting *** for ur own profit, so i think its better to sort such egoistic ppl like u out.ö
I understand that a lot of players move to 0.0 and they turn out to be little more than isk mongers, they are happy to rat the belts, mine the exotic ore and generally make mountains of isk, but often they refuse to undock or some how get DCÆed in time of defence or when there is need for pvp in order to expand the corp or alliances boundaries.
But there is a trend these days to label players who wish to make some isk as isk mongers just for the sake of it. It is as if making isk in 0.0 is now seen as a dirty undertaking and some thing that should be frowned upon.
So as you can see I was recently accused of only wishing to make isk while in 0.0 by my ex friend. This is despite turning up to every so called pvp or cvp event that was held, often getting the final blows and more than willing to participate in any other corp or alliance run activity while in the part of 0.0 we played in. This I might add at the detriment of my skilling speed as I was often in a none implanted jump clone for 24 hours, and being unable to undock between 09.00 û 15.00 eve dew to the large number of reds frequenting the surrounding systems.
Yet when a situation arose where he felt the need to insult me for abandoning his corp for better things, I got called an isk ***** by him, like I was now some thing dirty or unclean simply for quitting his corp because of a genuine lack of isk making opportunities available to me.
So many now see making isk as some thing only a s****bag would do, Eve is a massive game and it is all run on isk with out isk you have nothing so what is the big problem some players (mainly so called pvp players) have with every one wanting to make isk?
I for one simply do not understand it.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.03.15 15:19:00 -
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What they generally object to is that the "PVPers" are expected to spend their time and ISK keeping the alliance's space safe so that people like you can farm ISK all day long, competing with those same PvPers for limited resources. If you wont fight, you're dead weight as far as taking and holding space is concerned. If you're also consumining limited resources, then you're a parasite as far as they're concerned.
What did you contribute?
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NEMESIS SIN
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.03.15 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: NEMESIS SIN on 15/03/2010 15:22:52
 Originally by: Ivalobon
So many now see making isk as some thing only a s****bag would do, Eve is a massive game and it is all run on isk with out isk you have nothing so what is the big problem some players (mainly so called pvp players) have with every one wanting to make isk?
I will explain this for you.
PVP'ers benefit the alliance by keeping hostiles out of your home systems, and providing you with the very systems that you say you want to "just make ISK in". Through their teamwork, efforts and skill you now have that option (or had that option  )
The problem with dirty little s****bags like yourself, is that we PVP'ers don't see it as too much to ask that you give something back in return. You don't want to fight, well try building something and putting it on the market at something close empire market value.
You are sitting there, making the ISK that other PVP'er have secured for you. Thus you are nothing more then an unwelcome guest who overstayed his welcome, sleeping on the couch, eating all of the food in the fridge-- and has no job. You have a responsibility to give something back, if you choose not to, you are self-serving little ISK monger. I hope this helps.
<3 Nemesis Sin.
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Foraven
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.15 15:23:00 -
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Many alliances players got used to live from moon goo, thus could pvp all they wanted without having to do any isk making activities. So for them, being online and not looking for a fight is a huge waste...
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Ivalobon
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Posted - 2010.03.15 15:34:00 -
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I think you are missunderstandings some thing I pvped and helped out when ever possible or asked to. I am talking about the times when there is no call to arms or planed pvp event.
As for what did i contribute I did place well over 300 mills worth of minerals into the corp hanger one time, all I mite add mined by me alone.
The corp which became an alliance held no sov and ocupied no systems to defend.
I asked the ex friend if we were to become blue to another alliance so we could then use some of the better/safer systems available but i was told it would make less targets for us to shoot at. All I wanted was to have some thing to do while there was no pvp going on in the form of raating or may be mining. But this was seen as acting like a isk hording fool. I am asking what is so wrong with wanting to make some isk when the opotunity is there?
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Cortante
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Posted - 2010.03.15 15:37:00 -
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Many veteran players are jaded, bitter old pricks.
It happens.
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NEMESIS SIN
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.03.15 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ivalobon
I think you are missunderstandings some thing I pvped and helped out when ever possible or asked to. I am talking about the times when there is no call to arms or planed pvp event.
As for what did i contribute I did place well over 300 mills worth of minerals into the corp hanger one time, all I mite add mined by me alone.
The corp which became an alliance held no sov and ocupied no systems to defend.
I asked the ex friend if we were to become blue to another alliance so we could then use some of the better/safer systems available but i was told it would make less targets for us to shoot at. All I wanted was to have some thing to do while there was no pvp going on in the form of raating or may be mining. But this was seen as acting like a isk hording fool. I am asking what is so wrong with wanting to make some isk when the opotunity is there?
Well in that case nothing. Your CEO has the internet god-complex and your better off someplace else.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.03.15 15:46:00 -
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find a better corp./alliance 
one that doesn't have a bunch of immature babies.
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Hecatonis
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Posted - 2010.03.15 16:12:00 -
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you are forgetting OP, eve is a PVP game and nothing more. everyone exists for the expressed purpose of getting podded. doing anything else is just a waste of time because you dont have enough skill to blow up internet space ships /sarcasm
find a new corp, remove your isk and ore from that corp and let them do their own work. your better off somewhere else. ignore 90% of the PVPer they cannot get over the fact that this is a sandbox game and can be played anyway YOU like, not just they way THEY like.
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Winters Chill
Amarr
Shadow Legion.
Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.03.15 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hecatonis
you are forgetting OP, eve is a PVP game and nothing more. everyone exists for the expressed purpose of getting podded. doing anything else is just a waste of time because you dont have enough skill to blow up internet space ships /sarcasm
find a new corp, remove your isk and ore from that corp and let them do their own work. your better off somewhere else. ignore 90% of the PVPer they cannot get over the fact that this is a sandbox game and can be played anyway YOU like, not just they way THEY like.
this.
And also laugh when they spend real life money on getting ships (the idiots slot machine) and you have learned the game sufficiently to not only PvP but subscribe for free.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.03.15 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ivalobon
In the exact words of an ex friend ôur only interrests are in ratting *** for ur own profit, so i think its better to sort such egoistic ppl like u out.ö
People who use 'u' and 'ur' are idiots. This should save you some trouble in the future.
My deepest sympathies.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.03.15 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 15/03/2010 16:38:31
Generlly the corps you refer to are also the corps that
try to use price control in local markets(but dont supply them with corp run industry.
Basically they are run buy teens and college kids and all they care about is their electronic wang.
They usually fail when the first major crisis hits.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.03.15 16:48:00 -
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Certainly sounds like people I would steer clear of and wouldn't sacrifice so much as a noob-ship for.
There are some good crews out there that inspire the individual to want the best for the collective, so keep looking .. if at first you don't succeed ..
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.15 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ivalobon
Why?
Because if you don't play the way some of these twerps want you to play then you're doing it wrong. I find that most of the idiots spouting this nonsense are farmers themselves. Instead of isk, they farm kills for their pretty killboards and tears for their delicate egos.
The fact is corp leaders can somewhat control how much a miner/NPCer brings to the table by adjusting the tax rate. And at the very least you're paying your dues that way. If a corp member is "dissatisfied" with this set amount he should discuss it with his superiors instead of whining like a ***** about it and to the wrong people.
In short, there will be haters... Lots of 'em... critisizing how you play the game.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.03.15 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ivalobon
I think you are missunderstandings some thing I pvped and helped out when ever possible or asked to. I am talking about the times when there is no call to arms or planed pvp event.
As for what did i contribute I did place well over 300 mills worth of minerals into the corp hanger one time, all I mite add mined by me alone.
The corp which became an alliance held no sov and ocupied no systems to defend.
I asked the ex friend if we were to become blue to another alliance so we could then use some of the better/safer systems available but i was told it would make less targets for us to shoot at. All I wanted was to have some thing to do while there was no pvp going on in the form of raating or may be mining. But this was seen as acting like a isk hording fool. I am asking what is so wrong with wanting to make some isk when the opotunity is there?
Oh well then they were just being ****s. Screw them - you're better off without them.
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Genya Arikaido
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Posted - 2010.03.15 17:10:00 -
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Wow...PVPers vs Industrialists again?
Why can't you BOTH understand that you're necessary for the other to exist?
Yes, Combat pilots keep your space safe. They might be justified in being resentful if you *never* come help. Getting in fleet form time to time shows your appreciation for them, and it really is fun to do.
And as for you, PvPers, I'm one of you! However...CHILLOUT! Those ratters? check your corp's tax rate...and that percentage of your ratter's income is going right into the corp. Don't think it's much? It is. 5 or 6 ratters doing 2-3 hours a day can amount to 100-200mil a week for the corp. Might be how the corp replaces ships for you, or maybe manufactures ammo...or god forbid, OFFICE FEES. How about the miners? Convince them to dump a share of what they mine back into your corp...you'll be surprised how much you get for building needful things, like..hmm..dreadnoughts?
Both camps need to recognize the value both bring to your corps. There's no reason to fight if there's no one and nothing to protect, nor is there any reason to make ISK if there's nothing to use it for. Take some time and get to know the other side a bit, your corp will be better for it.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.03.15 17:19:00 -
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PvPers and 0.0 Inhabitants are not neccessarily one and the same.
Some corps in low sec and 0.0 exist almost solely for pvp. In a corp like this, non-pvp activity, especially if done in large amounts, is frowned upon.
Other corps are balanced between isk generating non-pvp activities and pvp.
Corps who only do non-pvp activities in 0.0 also exist. These are typically renters of some 0.0 space.
Whatever your preference, just join the fitting corp - problem solved.
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Sloth Arnini
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.15 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Sloth Arnini on 15/03/2010 17:40:20
Originally by: Genya Arikaido
And as for you, PvPers, I'm one of you! However...CHILLOUT! Those ratters? check your corp's tax rate...and that percentage of your ratter's income is going right into the corp. Don't think it's much? It is. 5 or 6 ratters doing 2-3 hours a day can amount to 100-200mil a week for the corp. Might be how the corp replaces ships for you, or maybe manufactures ammo...or god forbid, OFFICE FEES.
Only problem with this love in is that when the PVPers want to make some personal isk (Communism being uncommon in EVE), they get hit by the same tax rate the carebears get, unless different tariffs are in place (which is incredibly difficult to organise).
As to the rest, the so called nullsec PVPer doesn't object to the industrialist or even the trader, largely because he is likely to be the same person. Mining/trading/building alts are easy to make. Actually building things takes relatively little time out of the player's schedule (get stuff to factory -> install job). Sitting in a camp for a few hours leaves time for alts to mine. And even if one doesn't mine, scooping loot whilte ratting provides plenty of minerals. Many people in Atlas are very grateful to the entrepreneurs who ship T2 to us, even if we pay a markup for it.
In my experience, the creature towards whom rage is vented is the player who doesn't contribute either through fighting or providing a service. How common such a creature is I don't know but this argument is very much about perceptions which have a reality all of their own.
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oolk
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Posted - 2010.03.15 17:55:00 -
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Most of those thinking like your ex-friend already have mountains of isk,so they cant possibly care about your needs.
Also,the same type of person tend to forget that we are playing a game.
Sure,you have obligations to the corp and afaict,you seem to be fulfilling them.
So I guess,like its already been mentioned,another corp is in order.
Or quit your job,log in the middle of the night and play....
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.03.15 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hecatonis
you are forgetting OP, eve is a PVP game and nothing more. everyone exists for the expressed purpose of getting podded. doing anything else is just a waste of time because you dont have enough skill to blow up internet space ships /sarcasm
If that /sarcasm wasn't there I would have flamed you so hard you'd go black... once you go black you don't go back.
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Ryhss
Caldari
42nd Airborn
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Posted - 2010.03.15 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cortante
Many veteran players are jaded, bitter old pricks.
It happens.
I concur....
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Kronos Hopeslayer
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.15 20:23:00 -
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Bad corps are just bad. Find a nullsec corp that knows how to take care of its members.
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