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Max Tux	Posted - 2010.03.19 01:03:00 - [1] Now you have made the Scorp Sexy, time for the other needed change for it. The Drones ALL the other Tier one Battleships have 125 bandwidth and 125 (or greater)Dronebay. It would add another 127 DPS ( with MAX skills) Hardly OP. For a battleship, having only 4 launchers, and 75 bandwidth is a little pathetic. Give us Caldari a reason to train Heavy Drones and Sentry drones beside cross-training!! the only caldari ships with 125 Bandwidth (Or Greater) are: [Carriers] Chimera Wyvern [Dread] Phoneix 125BW [Titan] Levi 125BW There are no non-capital caldari ships with enough bandwidth or dronebay to fly a sinlge flight of heavies! Increase Bandwidth to 125, and dronebay to 125, Please?
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.03.19 01:10:00 - [2] Well it has to be said, the Scorp is not a dps ship and Caldari is not a drone race...
Dorotent	Posted - 2010.03.19 01:13:00 - [3] I don't want all the ships to be the same.
Hobonator912 Gallente Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2010.03.19 02:04:00 - [4] You, sir, are incorrect. Just look at the Rattlesnake.
Max Tux	Posted - 2010.03.19 02:24:00 - [5] Caldari isn't a drone race - BUT neither is Amarr or Minmatar :P they still get at least one ship with 125 bandwidth 'Snake is gurista's, as is Gila. And even with another 127 DPS its not going to be able to do stella amounts, so i wouldn't call it a DPS ship. It gives it options is all. As for "all the ships the same" i'm asking for a minor change, not asking for it to loose the ECM bonus, or give it a damage bonus, meerly increasing it bandwidth and dronebay
Jabru	Posted - 2010.03.19 06:00:00 - [6] because the only minmater ship that can hold 5 heavies/sentries is the typhoon, and that can only hold another 5 lights? do you know how hard it is to train to use that ship effectively? or even that race? And isnt the scorp the only BS with ECM? or E-War for the matter? skills for a typhoon; torps and support projectiles and support all core skills drones and support and armour tanking, and it only has 4 mids. Its fine, leave it alone. X train to a domi if you want, i mean its only what 10days?
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.03.19 06:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Jabru because the only minmater ship that can hold 5 heavies/sentries is the typhoon, and that can only hold another 5 lights? do you know how hard it is to train to use that ship effectively? or even that race? And isnt the scorp the only BS with ECM? or E-War for the matter? skills for a typhoon; torps and support projectiles and support all core skills drones and support and armour tanking, and it only has 4 mids. Its fine, leave it alone. X train to a domi if you want, i mean its only what 10days? Snake swallows space potato whole. Plus, it looks so much meaner.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.19 09:37:00 - [8] Scorp would be more fun if it had actually been useful for someting else then ranged ECM. I was one of the few who supported the idea CCP had about ECM strenght bonus and a missile ROF bonus :). But even that is mostly a novelty valsue since teh strengt of its ECM is weak comapred to the recons.
Max Tux	Posted - 2010.03.19 11:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Jabru because the only minmater ship that can hold 5 heavies/sentries is the typhoon, and that can only hold another 5 lights? do you know how hard it is to train to use that ship effectively? or even that race? And isnt the scorp the only BS with ECM? or E-War for the matter? skills for a typhoon; torps and support projectiles and support all core skills drones and support and armour tanking, and it only has 4 mids. Its fine, leave it alone. X train to a domi if you want, i mean its only what 10days? i got and can fly a domi well and a phoon reasonably. The point is not wah i can't field heavy drones ( got tech 2 heavies and sentries) the point is caldari need a subcap ship with 125 bandwidth. It won't make it OP as with 125 dronebay you have to loose a heavy to fit a flight of lights. it increases its utility though, and thats something that tier one BS's need ( domi, phoon, have lots of utility)
Kellen Ved	Posted - 2010.03.19 12:32:00 - [10] Why do the Caldari need a subcap with 125 bandwidth? Sounds like wah I can't field 5 heavies to me.
Neliel Soifon	Posted - 2010.03.19 12:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Max Tux Now you have made the Scorp Sexy, time for the other needed change for it. The Drones ALL the other Tier one Battleships have 125 bandwidth and 125 (or greater)Dronebay. It would add another 127 DPS ( with MAX skills) Hardly OP. For a battleship, having only 4 launchers, and 75 bandwidth is a little pathetic. Give us Caldari a reason to train Heavy Drones and Sentry drones beside cross-training!! the only caldari ships with 125 Bandwidth (Or Greater) are: [Carriers] Chimera Wyvern [Dread] Phoneix 125BW [Titan] Levi 125BW There are no non-capital caldari ships with enough bandwidth or dronebay to fly a sinlge flight of heavies! Increase Bandwidth to 125, and dronebay to 125, Please? The megathron got 2 missile launcher slots: the damage output is a bit pathetic, give us gallente a reason to train missiles beside cross-training!! You are an idiot, seriously.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.03.19 13:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Kellen Ved Why do the Caldari need a subcap with 125 bandwidth? Sounds like wah I can't field 5 heavies to me. Why do Minmatar need one? Why do Amarr?
Saitekon	Posted - 2010.03.19 15:18:00 - [13] Why would a ranged, midslot eating, ecm support boat need or want to field drones? You can't deploy heavies as far as you can jam or shoot missiles (at least not effectively). You can't use mids to increase the drone speed (or drone range if you use sentries) b/c you're using them for other things. It doesn't have enough buffer to be both a close range BS and be an ECM boat. TBH, the grass is not always greener on the other side. Caldari actually have three pro battleships with heavy advantages over most other races. The rokh has it's range and tank (both very useful for blaster setups and sniping setups), raven has it's PvE king status safely intact as well as it's omg TORPS pvp usefulness, and the scorp is the only battleship sized dedicated EWAR boat. If you want that do go away, then please continue.
Cambarus The Compass Reloaded	Posted - 2010.03.19 16:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Kellen Ved Why do the Caldari need a subcap with 125 bandwidth? Sounds like wah I can't field 5 heavies to me. Why do Minmatar need one? Why do Amarr? Because the phoon's line of ships focuses on not focusing on anything specific, while being able to do a bit of everything, and the amarr already have a few dedicated drone boats, almost as many as there are missile boats, so it's not unreasonable to say their race is at least partially drone-oriented. That being said, it doesn't matter if amarr or minmatar NEED a BS with a big drone bay, because they already have them. The OP is making the statement that the scorp should get a bigger drone bay (also implying that the scorp is inferior to the other tier 1 BSs and is in need of a boost) without actually providing any valid reasons for it (and no, the fact that the other tier 1 BSs get them is not a valid reason, because the scorp is built around a completely different mentality than they are) It's a matter of demanding something for apples because the oranges get it, because despite the fact that the scorp is a tier one BS, it's vastly different from the other ones, so you can't just compare it to the domi/phoon/geddon, because it fills a completely different role.

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