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Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.03.22 11:33:00 - [31] The Retribution and anything with rockets. _________________________________ Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Punic Corp.	Posted - 2010.03.22 12:28:00 - [32] Originally by: Headerman Destroyers... never seen them used in PVP at all Then you haven't seen much. I've seen them used and used them myself aplenty. Both in lowsec and 0.0. I have many interceptor kills with them. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
MoeJoe Green Gallente Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.03.22 12:53:00 - [33] Marauder.
Roosterton	Posted - 2010.03.22 15:02:00 - [34] Thanks for all the input so far. To whoever asked about Logi's, yes, they count, although they are pretty useful imo.
James Tritanius	Posted - 2010.03.22 18:18:00 - [35] Originally by: Demolishar Originally by: Taja Calaren Originally by: Red zeon a noob ship can do 200dps and point, not mentioning wich one of the races got that leet boat. but consider how owned youd feel if you lost your ship to a small swarm of noobships :P I'd like to see that fit.... best i got so far was 157 with overheating, and that doesn't leave enough PG for a point [Velator, New Setup 2] Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Warp Disruptor II Light Electron Blaster II, Void S Shadow Serpentis Light Neutron Blaster, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 'Augmented' Hobgoblin x2 With a 7% RoF and a 5% damagemod implant, gives 181 DPS. 1v1 my t1 fitted rifter. Winner keeps loot.
Jotobar	Posted - 2010.03.22 18:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Roosterton To whoever asked about Logi's, yes, they count, although they are pretty useful imo. It makes the list a bit silly though to say logisitics are weak just because it's support. Especially the strongest one in fleet combat. If utility/support doesen't count I'll add every ship type there is except titans because on paper they do more damage. So 1 vote on everything except titans.
NeoNeTiC LOCKDOWN.	Posted - 2010.03.22 19:49:00 - [37] I'd go with Command Ships (the combat ones that is). For their training time, cost and supposed role they just plain out suck. A Tier2 BC or Tier1 BS outperforms them for less cost and less training time in most regards. :\ The only CS close to an exception from this statement would be the Sleipnir but I don't see a 'cane, phoon or Maelstrom being less useful in any chosen scenario and even the Cyclone is pretty similar for a fraction of the Sleips' price. ;_; Could be easily solved by introducing Tier2 Command Ships though and hope the price for Tier2 CS is the one of the current Tier1 CS after a few months while the Tier1s become cheaper (but it's more of a "tier system is horrible for BCs" issue anyways). :s My second choice would have to be those T2 EW frigs. They're too vulnerable to get close and a Recon is much better sitting at range - for the EW stuff. I'd fly an AF, ceptor or T1 frig any day over those useless EW-failboats. :O
MySmackTalking ForumAlt MySmackTalking ForumAlt's Corp	Posted - 2010.03.23 00:25:00 - [38] Zephyr
Zaq Phelps The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.03.23 00:41:00 - [39] Edited by: Zaq Phelps on 23/03/2010 00:43:57 Originally by: Roosterton --Votes-- Destroyers - 1 Marauders - 5 Assault Ships - 4 electronic attack frigates - 4 Interceptors - 1 Covert Ops/Stealth Bombers - 1 Black Ops - 2 T1 Frigates - 1 Logistics - 1 (field) Command Ships - 2 (fleet) Command Ships - 1 Go! Marauders?! Expensive, but far from useless. I would say that by and large t1 destroyers are the most useless ship type for pvp. They're ok against frigs, but they die horribly to anything else (and there's other things that do that job). The only place where it sees widespread pvp use is in suicide ganking, and even that is done better in torp ravens and tempests.
King Rothgar Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.03.23 03:37:00 - [40] Black Ops. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Roosterton	Posted - 2010.03.23 04:02:00 - [41] Originally by: MySmackTalking ForumAlt Zephyr You can't shoot something with a Zephyr, sorry.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2010.03.23 10:26:00 - [42] I would rank destroyers below industrials for PVP. Industrials make much better bait, have better fitting options (juicy midslots & cpu) and can hold a useful reservoir of cap booster charges. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression
Gambit Stryder Privateers	Posted - 2010.03.23 12:14:00 - [43] Destroyers (especially the arty thrasher) are excellent for empire wardec ***gotry. Fast locking, high alpha, kills frigs and pods with brutal efficiency. It's a niche role but don't be so quick to disregard them. My vote goes to marauders. You'd be insane to fly one of those in legit pvp.
Rastigan Caldari Ars ex Discordia SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.03.23 14:22:00 - [44] I guess people are assuming ISK is a big factor ? Because an AC Vargur is pretty fearsome if you dont use Ewar against it.
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2010.03.23 14:44:00 - [45] Originally by: Coughing [...] Electronic Attack Frigates might perform less than stellar sometimes they are hardly useless and can be a lot of fun. You can pry my EAFs from my cold, dead hands. I fly a kitsune in small gangs and I absolutely love it. My gang does, too. Sentinel can be a nasty surprise to certain targets. Hyena and Keres I'm not too hot on, though. They could use a boost - I would like smaller signature radius and lower cost - but other than that they're great in fast moving gangs. Most useless? I would have to go with Industrials. Even a Marauder has more utility in a fight than an industrial via drones. Just 5 drones randomly attacking things while you're jammed to hell and back is more useful than a BattleBadger in a fight. I want to go on an Industrial roam now, though...
Lorilie Sunstrider	Posted - 2010.03.23 18:08:00 - [46] Originally by: Rastigan I guess people are assuming ISK is a big factor ? Because an AC Vargur is pretty fearsome if you dont use Ewar against it. Yea, that¦s the case. I¦d like to take a Vargur out for a pvp spin, but it would realy hurt the wallet. Also Trasher is fearsome if you dont shoot at it.
Veritaal	Posted - 2010.03.23 18:27:00 - [47] Marauders. It takes almost nothing to permajam, and it's tank/DPS isn't sufficient to warrant flying a 1 billion isk ship when you can fit a T1 bs for 20% of that and get the same result. Oh, and the T1 is insurable. Also, factor in the "OMG! IT'S AN UNDOCKED MARAUDER!!!11!" effect that marauders have. I've seen warring corps drop what they are doing and gang up on an unlucky marauder pilot just for the KM.
galdinni Gallente Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.03.23 19:23:00 - [48] Marauders. plain and simple. :)
Max Hardcase Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2010.03.23 20:07:00 - [49] EAS Cruisers do it better and cheaper.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2010.03.26 17:54:00 - [50] Edited by: Wacktopia on 26/03/2010 17:54:23 Lachesis. CCP nerfing damps and the fact it cannot fit a covops cloak make it pretty lame at it's intended role. Yeah, it has 7 mids so a shield tank is an option but for an ECM boat it sucks donkey balls.
Lord Ryan Sickle Cell	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:09:00 - [51] Originally by: Shivarie Edited by: Shivarie on 22/03/2010 06:15:50 Originally by: Headerman Destroyers... never seen them used in PVP at all guess you didnt watch the alliance tourny, hand full of destroyers in that and the sabers tore **** up. also thrashers can get a suprising amount of dps with cheap fittings so id not ignore them, however it is true i dont see them used so much for pvp, when you do though, small gangs can make your day bad. as an answer to the op, when you say "for pvp" do you mean the ship has to be fighting? or can it be in a pvp support role, cause the worst pvp ship is a logistics, wonderful for what they actually are meant to do, but as a combat ship? if logistics dont count, my vote goes to EAFs Saw a anti-frig scim once, seemed to be handling its self quite well. I engaged, and was very surprised when it shot back. luckily i wasn't one on the ships that it poped. heard some one on coms going on about how the speed or something made it a good anti-firig ship. To op: Cov ops. yeah a scout, but so is the SB and the SB can kill something.
Agent Unknown Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.26 20:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Lord Ryan Originally by: Shivarie Edited by: Shivarie on 22/03/2010 06:15:50 Originally by: Headerman Destroyers... never seen them used in PVP at all guess you didnt watch the alliance tourny, hand full of destroyers in that and the sabers tore **** up. also thrashers can get a suprising amount of dps with cheap fittings so id not ignore them, however it is true i dont see them used so much for pvp, when you do though, small gangs can make your day bad. as an answer to the op, when you say "for pvp" do you mean the ship has to be fighting? or can it be in a pvp support role, cause the worst pvp ship is a logistics, wonderful for what they actually are meant to do, but as a combat ship? if logistics dont count, my vote goes to EAFs Saw a anti-frig scim once, seemed to be handling its self quite well. I engaged, and was very surprised when it shot back. luckily i wasn't one on the ships that it poped. heard some one on coms going on about how the speed or something made it a good anti-firig ship. To op: Cov ops. yeah a scout, but so is the SB and the SB can kill something. Good luck fitting an expanded launcher and torps on a SB. By the way, this is my signature. TeamSpeak For EVE - API-controlled TeamSpeak 3 Access!
Lord Ryan Sickle Cell	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:40:00 - [53] Originally by: Agent Unknown Originally by: Lord Ryan Originally by: Shivarie Edited by: Shivarie on 22/03/2010 06:15:50 Originally by: Headerman Destroyers... never seen them used in PVP at all guess you didnt watch the alliance tourny, hand full of destroyers in that and the sabers tore **** up. also thrashers can get a suprising amount of dps with cheap fittings so id not ignore them, however it is true i dont see them used so much for pvp, when you do though, small gangs can make your day bad. as an answer to the op, when you say "for pvp" do you mean the ship has to be fighting? or can it be in a pvp support role, cause the worst pvp ship is a logistics, wonderful for what they actually are meant to do, but as a combat ship? if logistics dont count, my vote goes to EAFs Saw a anti-frig scim once, seemed to be handling its self quite well. I engaged, and was very surprised when it shot back. luckily i wasn't one on the ships that it poped. heard some one on coms going on about how the speed or something made it a good anti-firig ship. To op: Cov ops. yeah a scout, but so is the SB and the SB can kill something. Good luck fitting an expanded launcher and torps on a SB. Oops, probing. +1 for you even though you could use a t1 frig for that i'm sure. I just shoot stuff, what do I know!
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.03.26 22:21:00 - [54] Interdictors(T2 destroyers) Wherever you went - Here you are.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.03.26 22:30:00 - [55] Interdictors(T2 destroyers) Wherever you went - Here you are.
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.03.27 02:01:00 - [56] 1. Field Commands (BUFF THE COMMAND FFS!!) 2. Black Ops 3. Electronic Attack Frigs 4. Marauders (but lets be real here they werent really designed for PvP, you can make them work I guess) ______________________________________ ...
Noisrevbus Caldari Breams Gone Wild	Posted - 2010.03.27 06:08:00 - [57] Stemming in with the crowd... 1. CS (both kinds tbh). 2. EAS 3. AF

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