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Salen Kane Amarr	Posted - 2010.03.23 10:51:00 - [1] HAI INTERNETZ! Short version: Nullsec PvP is too blobby and full of stupid. Good at BCs, HACs and recons. Can follow orders, canÆt tolerate morons. Lots of SP in PvP, limited experience. Where should I do mah pewpew? Yes, I know, the short version is too long. Long version: my RL friend persuaded me to play internet spaceships, and for obvious reasons (isk bribes!) I joined his corp, that were involved in 0.0 warfare. IÆve been in and out of it a bit, but the high degree of ôOMG U HAZ WRONG SHIP I HOPE U GET CANCER!ö, ôLol noob donÆt you know the optimal distance at which you overheat your mwd when fighting <insert alliance name here>s <insert ship&fitting type here> when his transversal is Xö and taking the ôdonÆt fly what you canÆt afford to loseö too literally means that after a year and a half in a 0.0 PvP corp, I am left with the following: 30 mil SP in PvP, 15 kills (I am aware this is nothing to be proud of even for a 1 month old character), 1 loss, about a bil in assets, and the strong belief that 0.0 alliances require their members to use vent only so that the officers can force people to listen to their inane stories about their awesome faction fit HACs (that they lost the first time they took it out of the hangar, but it totally wasnÆt their fault, because that hawk they fought was totally OP!) Making isk was restricted because of things like ôSorry, you canÆt rat up for a sniper BS because officer Bob here needs a 4th dreadnaught to fill the void in his soul (and colon) left when his father abused himö. Or something like that. ItÆs not that IÆve been a carebear or leech on my corp/alliance. I simply tended to log in, try to get involved, choke on the bad leadership and the egos flying around, and then go find a fat kid and pretend that he was a badger and my fists were lazers! They never dropped anything good though, and I might be making this last bit up. IÆve flown a few ops without screwing up, been to the odd POS bashing, and mostly been bored out of my mind. I know the major mechanics, like why HICs "maeks my wrap coer stabz nto work", that capitals cant use gates, and that the maller is bait.I can fly amarr (and minmatar in a month) HACs and Recons at lvl 5 and assault frigs/ceptors/covert ops at 4, all BCs cept frogs, and amarr/caldari BSes (but I donÆt like to). I prefer to fly in small hunter/killer groups, donÆt much mind fighting against the odds; internet spaceships are made for burning. Very casual player though, and I donÆt do well with keeping times. I want to be able to log in when I feel like it and vent those sociopatic tendencies that would get me locked up IRL. So, Im gonna go find something new to do PvP wise, I just donÆt know where to go. These are my options, as far as I can make it out: RvB, lowsec piracy, faction warfare (amarr if I do this), wormhole raiding or mercenary corps. I know next to nothing about any of these, except that I read the guide to wormholes, and I tried to read RvBs propaganda but it made me nauseous. So, I could really do with some suggestions and advice for what life in the non-nullsec PvP is really like, and if there are any regions better suited for my prefered playstyle. Disclaimer: no, I wont contract my stuff to you for 'transport', I dont want to buy your 'special repainted faction ship that looks just like a T1 cruiser', I wont give you money to join your corp and if you think I will bring my faction fit machariel to your base in lowsec to 'try a PvP op', you're *****ed. Also I dont have a faction fit machariel. I am not on any medication, but I probably should be. Other than that, PLZ HLP! Im just some nobody who trolls the forums during work. EVE- I love everything about it except actually playing it!*
Pyrasanth	Posted - 2010.03.23 10:54:00 - [2] I hear Tama is nice this time of year. Maybe look at the recruitment forums though?
Salen Kane Amarr	Posted - 2010.03.23 11:05:00 - [3] I did that, ofcourse. The problem with recruitment forums is that: 1. Everyone is there to get you to join their corp, so they lie out of their teeth. I mean, noone is going to SAY that they hotdrop 1 man frig gangs and consider docking games the highest form of PvP. 2. Im not looking for a corp per se. More interested in finding out what people think are the pros and cons of the different options for PvP. And tama is a clusterduck[self-censored], even I know that. Not saying that's a bad thing though. Im just some nobody who trolls the forums during work. EVE- I love everything about it except actually playing it!
Midnight Pheonix Hell's Horsemen Z.E.R.G	Posted - 2010.03.23 11:10:00 - [4] Contact me ingame pls
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.03.23 11:14:00 - [5] Edited by: Amarr Supremacist on 23/03/2010 11:14:15 That Alliance name looks suspiciously much like R.A.G.E - hmm! - Intigo
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.23 11:30:00 - [6] well hit the mining systems u can usually biat the odd miner, use low sec wormholes to drop onto unsusecpting ratters, u can probe mission runners and go for that, drop cans along a transit route say 3 systems along and wait for flashys to come thro, sit in niajra with an alt other sdie and a hic and pod outlaws as they transit empire in pods. Wormhole ganks against afk mining barges Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
Pyrasanth	Posted - 2010.03.23 11:37:00 - [7] RvB I have no experience with, but WH and Merc I have a little. We lived in a WH for 6 months to pirate. The problem you'll find now is finding a enough targets in the wormholes you look in. You do occasionally find complexers, whether that be mining or combat. Generally though people scan for probes a lot and have scouts on the exits/entrances. You can set up in someones hole to get them to fight for it, but again its fairly hit or miss. Merc work can be fun with the right targets, but again be prepared for endless scouting/camping/blobbing. Joining the right Merc group will help a lot. But say if you saw Noir holed up in your system and you got your ass kicked in the first day, would you necessarily want/be able to fight for the duration of the contract? I guess I am suggesting something smaller and less well known so that you manage to get the fights you are looking for.
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.03.23 12:16:00 - [8] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 23/03/2010 12:17:21 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 23/03/2010 12:16:37 Low-sec piracy is OK. Scout alt helps but is not mandatory (I've done it without one for a bit over two years). BCs work like a charm, HACs are alright as well if you're careful. It helps to avoid the huge blob hotspots (read: FW areas) and blobs (Germans, Russians, FW people, bored 0.0 people, bored highsec people during the weekend... well, practically everyone, but don't let that discourage you). Some form of alt to ferry your gear to low-sec and get loot out of low-sec helps - I've gotten by for a very long time on a single account alt, however, since it takes maybe 3-4 days to train. There's some nice regions in game which are more solo friendly then others, the choices are mostly obvious (read: away from FW areas and hubs). Operating in very populated areas (see: Tama, Amamake, etcetera) will require you to be in a corp most of the time, of course, so if corps with mandatory vent and so on are not your thing, you may want to avoid that. Hit me up ingame if you want more info, I've been doing solo lowsec killing almost exclusively for the last year and something. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Garbad theWeak	Posted - 2010.03.23 14:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Salen Kane Where should I do mah pewpew? Like you, I played for some time before I really started pvping. It was easy to sit in station spinning ships waiting for something to happen. But once I did the game got a million times more fun. Here are some of the things I tried: 1. FW -- its a decent place to start, and you can find targets. I suggest this for your first month or two of pvp to learn basic pvp on the cheap. The main problem with FW is the action is spotty and a lack of skill and teamwork among all sides. Think of it as newb pug pvp, for good and bad. 2. High sec Ganking -- this primarily consists of wardecing some innocent indys and sitting outside of jita 4/4 in a thrasher with 3x sebos trying to instalock shuttles. Option two is canflipping and otherwise harassing noobs in ravens until you megagame them into attacking you, and stomp them. The magnitude of fargotry and boredom is staggering. 3. Low sec "Piracy" -- This basically means you get a cloaky vagabond and go around belts trying to gank other hero honor duelers. It can be kind of fun, but it can also be extremely boring. 4. 0.0 blob warfare -- this is joining a huge alliance, forming into 150+ RR BS fleets with cap support, and......going on epic 3 hour pos bashes. Once every 3 weeks, you will get a fight. 90% of the time once side will outnumber the other by at least 3:1, but you will be so bored and desperate for kills you won't care. And once every blue moon, you will get a reasonably balanced 100+ vs 100+ blob fight where skill and tactics matter, and its simply the best thing in eve. Then you will cry yourself to sleep for the next 3 months dreaming about that one fight. 5. 0.0 roaming gangs -- this is basically getting a group of 5 to 50 guys in bc, intys, dictors, and mystery meat and roaming around ganking. A lot of the time you are just trying to instapop some ******* in his cynabal, but every few days you should get a good fight against another blob which is a lot of fun. And some of the good roaming alliances like darkside, brick squad, GC, and many others will give you a great fight. TL;DR: l2p in fw for a few weeks more into piracy for a week or two to get a taste of the ass join a real pvp alliance and roam as often as you can, and do sov blob fites as you see fit ymmv
Biczkowski Minmatar Ghosts of War Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.03.23 15:04:00 - [10] best balance for casual is world of warcraft. bai
Salen Kane Amarr	Posted - 2010.03.23 15:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Biczkowski best place for casual is world of warcraft. /edit: elaboration! because: wow got that instanced battle grounds you can queue up and get instant pvp action. eve pvp is nothing for casuals - just because you need a lot of time to find a fight. even in RvB you're flying hours to get a real fight. you get blobs and station games all the time - but that's no fun. faction warfare does not seem any different. you camp a gate for hours until your fleet disbands because noone crossed your way. (solo) lowsec piracy is like playing a submarine simulator mmo. you fly for hours, looking for some poor idiot in a belt only to discover that said idiot is a malicious trap by the reichs-marine :( pvp in eve is: ZEN Does it smell of smoke here, cause I think I just got burned! Though, I dont mean casual as in 'play half an hour' every night, rather casual as in 'cant keep a regular schedule of login times'. When I do play I tend to put in alot of time, but I might play 4 hours a day for 2 days and then nothing for 2 weeks. Im just some nobody who trolls the forums during work. EVE- I love everything about it except actually playing it!
Pyrasanth	Posted - 2010.03.23 15:41:00 - [12] "cloaky vagabond"? Erm ok.
Orion Shadowmaker Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.03.23 17:29:00 - [13] Ask yourself these questions? How much real time do you have to look for fights? Do you want to be able to log on almost anytime of day and get a 1 V 1, a Fleet fight, or a deep 0.0 roam? without waiting forevor for someone to kill? Do you want to be in a corporation that dedicates itself to fighting at all times? Then Join RVB, all you have to do is look at the kill boards, look up Red Federation and Blue Republic, we currently are both in the top 50 as far as kills and moved up over 1000 spots within the last year. We fight War deccers as well so you get a little bit of everything at all times of the day. R-V-B is a great chat channel for info btw, Try it out, you have nothing to lose! Orion Shadowmaker Go Blues!
Ralnik Mutineers	Posted - 2010.03.23 18:11:00 - [14] I'd say join either FW or RvB but I'd personally lean toward FW. RvB is ok, I gave it a try, but it doesn't really teach you what real PVP is like. If you go FW, just join one of the factions that is lacking numbers. I'd suggest Caldari or Amarr due to the fact they are both out numbered at the moment. Right now, Gallente and Minmatar have the numbers or more so the "activity" advantage which means war targets can be few and far between at the moment. (I stress activity because TBH, I don't think it's a numbers issue but more so a morale issue for both Amarr & Caldari) I do suspect that Amarr's numbers will start spiking a bit, as it seems the most logical place for many of the Ex-ProviBloc corps to go to sharpen up their small gang warfare skills and have easy access to do raids into their old home. ..... FactionWarfare.com New forum dedicated to all four FW factions.
Krennel Darius Caldari Nova Security Systems	Posted - 2010.03.23 18:18:00 - [15] Well, I think the main thing you have to learn is that solo PVP is pretty much dead. Yeah, you can log on and go hunting by yourself any time of day, but the days of people wandering around by themselves are practically long gone. I used to do it often, and got man kills, but every time I've gone hunting alone in the past year or so, that single player running around that I can gank has a group of 10 guys waiting to warp when when I attack him. Basically what i'm getting at is that you need to join a corp that has 5-10 people who are willing to go PVPing with you at random. _________________________________________________ If at first you don't succeed, you're not Chuck Norris
Biczkowski Minmatar Ghosts of War Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.03.23 19:15:00 - [16] Edited by: Biczkowski on 23/03/2010 19:18:27 Originally by: Salen Kane Edited by: Salen Kane on 23/03/2010 16:02:09 Edited by: Salen Kane on 23/03/2010 16:01:39 Does it smell of smoke here, cause I think I just got burned! Though, I dont mean casual as in 'play half an hour' every night, rather casual as in 'cant keep a regular schedule of login times'. When I do play I tend to put in alot of time, but I might play 4 hours a day for 2 days and then nothing for 2 weeks. if you have no prob spending hours looking for targets then jump into your gankmobile of choice and go to the next low sec. I myself got lucky today and could kill a russian carebear in a drake + his hauler alt. special bonus was a lot of smack in russian which I could not understand ;) If I were you I'd go with joining RvB and looking for interesting gangs. And if there's nothing interesting around just go into lowsec - you got plenty of low around the RvB systems. And when rvb is not your thing you can just leave the corps and take a look into FW.
hgedsku	Posted - 2010.03.23 20:30:00 - [17] Best place for casual pvp is the test server , seriously. If I get bored roaming through 0.0 without find any fights I just; log into sisi, go to the 'free for all', die in seconds, then repeat, lol.
0bvious Alt	Posted - 2010.03.23 22:45:00 - [18] I've been thinking of this for awhile now. My vote is Test server. I hate blobs and/or having to hunt for 5 days to maybe get a kill. o/
Cearain Caldari ReSlavers	Posted - 2010.03.24 00:36:00 - [19] I haven't really tried the test server yet. I have done rvb and fw and both are great. FW gives you more variety of different ships/gangs and fleets. RvB gives you the closest thing to instant action for frigate combat you will find.
Kamden Line	Posted - 2010.03.24 01:03:00 - [20] This is a game of serious interwebz spaceships. Those with a life or actual commitments need not apply.
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.03.24 03:22:00 - [21] I didn't get the memo about solo PVP being dead, must be something new. Then again, you need to use your head when soloing in low-sec. It beats using cloaking Vagabonds, I assure you. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Chondricthyes	Posted - 2010.03.24 04:12:00 - [22] fac war corps are good, lots of pvp, and having war targets means you have more freedom to engage on gate. If that's not for you, then go to a low-sec hub like tama or old man star and look for fights and you will probably get one, just be prepared to die horribly.
Slade Hoo Amarr Corpse Collection Point	Posted - 2010.03.24 05:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Cpt Branko and blobs (Germans, ...) I'm no blobber. Tendencies to blobbing isn't related to nationalities ffs! ------ Make Lowsec useful! Vote in the CSM-Forum!
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.03.24 06:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Slade Hoo Originally by: Cpt Branko and blobs (Germans, ...) I'm no blobber. Tendencies to blobbing isn't related to nationalities ffs! Truth, but I like to generalize Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.24 06:48:00 - [25] Originally by: Garbad theWeak And once every blue moon, you will get a reasonably balanced 100+ vs 100+ blob fight where skill and tactics matter, and its simply the best thing in eve. Then you will cry yourself to sleep for the next 3 months dreaming about that one fight. THIS Originally by: Garbad theWeak 0.0 roaming gangs And THIS. Also, 0.0 solo roaming in a ceptor/vaga/gank badger. _______________________ We come for our people!
Biczkowski Minmatar Ghosts of War Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.03.24 07:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Slade Hoo Originally by: Cpt Branko and blobs (Germans, ...) I'm no blobber. Tendencies to blobbing isn't related to nationalities ffs! about 70 years ago the german blob ****d europe :( it's in your genes!
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.03.24 08:12:00 - [27] Quote: And once every blue moon, you will get a reasonably balanced 100+ vs 100+ blob fight where skill and tactics matter, and its simply the best thing in eve. Then you will cry yourself to sleep for the next 3 months dreaming about that one fight Almost flawless and faithful description about EvE PvP except a detail: once every blue moon you'll indeed get that reasonably balanced 100+ vs 100+ blob fight where skills and tactic matter... ... but as you begin savoring the fun, the node will crash, 80/100 fleet mates will get desynced, voice comm (in case you were one of the few still using it) will kick out 60/100 people... Quote: about 70 years ago the german blob ***d europe :( it's in your genes! No. Sadly, greed and idiocy are the defining trait of the whole humanity, not just of one population. You wish they were so few! - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read* http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
64ND4LF	Posted - 2010.03.24 09:38:00 - [28] Edited by: 64ND4LF on 24/03/2010 09:38:46 Originally by: Slade Hoo Originally by: Cpt Branko and blobs (Germans, ...) I'm no blobber. Tendencies to blobbing isn't related to nationalities ffs! Fuck U! Ya NZI!
Jotobar	Posted - 2010.03.24 10:59:00 - [29] Best post I've read here for a couple of months. It's hard to lead 300man fleets with people that got no idea what they are doing though, just had to be said. Still, if you're not overall having fun there's no reason to tolerate it, roaming gangs of 1-30 people sound like a better fit for you. Perhaps try to join a smaller corp that's based in a wh but activly roam around chasing others, or a small corp that wardecs big alliances and/or base in empire but roam 0.0 and lowsec.
Starnap The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2010.03.24 12:48:00 - [30] I've done a lot of high-sec pvp - can-flipping, war-decs etc. It's a whole load more fun than some guy above says it is. At the moment I'm trying 0.0 pvp - that seems pretty fun. I hear low-sec pirating is fun too. Tried FW a long time ago and got bored. Haven't tried RvB. Try them out is all I can say. A good corp is key.

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