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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.24 03:13:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 24/03/2010 03:15:03
Removal of term limit - Finally!
With the removal of the term limit, I however don't see the need for extending the term period.
In fact *because* of the no term limit, the term period should not be increased, but stay at the 6 months. I think you (CSM/CCP) should reconsider that one. If a CSM member does a good enough job, s/he'll be re-elected. If not, out s/he goes - Instead of having to wait a full year to get rid of the person.
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I applause the no term limit, simply because I wan't "the best"(*) people to be in the CSM, and not have them ruled out simply because they've reached their term limit. Why settle for second (third, fourth...) best, if the best are willing to keep doing the job.
The call for "need for rotation" I don't give much for - It's only ever an extremely small margin of the EVE populace who will ever get to sit on the CSM anyhow. Rotation or not - That won't change by any sensible amount. Better to have "the best" people there instead. And frankly... There ain't that many "really good" ones to go around anyhow... (imo)
(*)"The best" - Yes I realize the occasional douche-bags will get elected to the CSM, due to alliance voting powers and what not (and potentially might sit there perpetually now) But that's exactly why the CSM is not just, say, 3 people. It needs to be BIG enough to allow for the douche-bags and in-actives etc. Which it is - imo.
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riverini
Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.24 04:28:00 -
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+1 for the period increase. +1 for the unlimited consecutive period
NOW I CAN SAY THAT I FOR ONCE, WELCOME OUR NEW CSM OVERLORDS!
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.03.24 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dragon Greg I wonder if the chairman has a button to disband the CSM
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Void Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:27:00 -
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I think these are good changes. I also advocate that CCP takes brutal vindictive measures against CSM members who abuse their position/inside knowledge. The voters have little confidence in the CSM system as it is.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.24 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Removal of term limit - Finally!
With the removal of the term limit, I however don't see the need for extending the term period.
In fact *because* of the no term limit, the term period should not be increased, but stay at the 6 months.
This.
And a further note: from what I recall the first CSM members were required to disclose all the accounts they held.
While I don't see any need to disclose that data to the playerbase, CCP need to know all the accounts a CSM member has. From what I see in the CSM Withe paper that is no more a requirement.
Without that knowledge monitoring is the CSM member is using insider informations is very hard.
So, the CSM members are disclosing to CCP the list of the accounts they held?
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Serufa
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Posted - 2010.03.24 12:06:00 -
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Good changes. However, to preserve the continuity I think it'd be better to do staged elections, so you don't have the risk that the whole CSM gets replaced at once. You'd still have 2 elections a year, but only elect half of the seats in each election (5 in the summer and 4 in the winter for example), and the candidates would have a one year term. The 5 reserves would be replaced completely at each election.
This'd ensure continuity, the changes would be more gradual, and the voters could still express their opinion more often. Win-win.
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre I also advocate that CCP takes brutal vindictive measures against CSM members who abuse their position/inside knowledge. The voters have little confidence in the CSM system as it is.
I don't believe there has been much of this kind of thing (Larkgate excluded ) compared to the issue of people not turning up to meetings.
Of course neither are good for the public perception of the CSM...
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DCThunder
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.24 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: DCThunder on 24/03/2010 15:04:51 Why not stagger the terms? Make half the CSM "A" members, and half "B" members. Elect the "A's" for a 6 month term and the "B's" for a year. In 6 months, have a new election for A members but not B's. Rinse and repeat.
Also don't eliminate term limits completely, but say that you can't serve more then 3 years and then have to sit out at least a year.
Both of these are basic corporate governance principles that are probably in place for the CCP board of directors.
ETA, sorry didn't see the same idea posted above....
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.03.24 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze I don't believe there has been much of this kind of thing (Larkgate excluded ) compared to the issue of people not turning up to meetings.
Of course neither are good for the public perception of the CSM...
I see you're running for reelection on a platform that wishes to introduce public/youtube tarring and feathering of CSM members who miss overly many meetings, and I just wanted to say you got my full support come this election.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.03.24 21:41:00 -
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No term limit doesn't mean people will stick around forever..
While a trip to Iceland and debate over EVE's issues sounds appealing to a majority of forum goers, I doubt people will want to do it after maybe a couple of years.. I wouldn't be surprised that some CSM members would quit mid term because they've had enough of EVE and CSM in general. They could view it as an obligation rather then a pleasure or honor to be elected.
However I would rather see a cool-off period, and maybe a six month term. Having a year long term the CSMs will likely burn out faster. However taking a break for six months might be all they need. While they could do that in any given year, a years time they might not be interested in running again.
Meh, good changes I guess, I'd like to run one day but I know my wife would kick my ass for going overseas twice in a year without her..
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Cinori Aluben
Minmatar Gladiators of Rage
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Posted - 2010.03.24 21:52:00 -
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I am concerned as well with the potential for "Mob Bosses" to emerge. A well-populated alliance can keep their potentially useless guy in office solely for the image and control. Some sort of balance needs to be instituted in consideration of this.
Originally by: DCThunder Edited by: DCThunder on 24/03/2010 15:04:51 Why not stagger the terms? Make half the CSM "A" members, and half "B" members. Elect the "A's" for a 6 month term and the "B's" for a year. In 6 months, have a new election for A members but not B's. Rinse and repeat.
The whole point here is to make the CSM idea more efficient and useful to both the players and CCP. By eliminating the need to reintroduce and refamiliarize CCP & CSM delegates with each others' styles & modes of functioning, it will do just that - allow more time to be spent on transmission of information between CCP & playerbase and improvement of gameplay, as well as developing a more cohesive, properly functioning group within that CSM. If you reseat 1/2 every 6 months, you'll still have to have those "introduction" meetings at the beginning of all CSM summits, CCP will still have to learn new people, as well as the two halves will then half to learn each other. Increasing term duration and cohesiveness is the way to go.
I think I'll throw my hat in the ring this go around actually
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Mynxee
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.03.24 23:22:00 -
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I like these changes and CCP's increased commitment to the CSM so that it can serve the role it was intended to have. Even though I've always been a dedicated supporter of the CSM process, I'm now even more enthused and look forward to applying to be a CSM5 candidate.
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Esharan
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.25 03:54:00 -
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I am going to run, as an average player (e.g. no one knows me really) I think I am a good canidate to be fair and unbiased. I don't owe anyone anything, and would represent the average gamers well.
Yep I will run.
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Yaay
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
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Posted - 2010.03.25 07:57:00 -
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So you're letting the People who are most positively affected by no term limits decide on no term limits.
Amazing and truly the end of credibility.
Kinda like congress getting to vote on whether they deserve a pay raise.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.25 10:11:00 -
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Interesting developments.
I've been against lifting the term limit, and warned CCP of the consequences of doing this. With the 1 year terms, I also fear that people get bored or too busy with real life or otherwise become unable to participate properly. This is not a good thing.
I will likely be putting myself up as candidate again as I have been requested by Take Care members and there was no-one else that wished to step up as representative. Even though I feel two terms was more than enough for me, I rather go again than see Take Care die out. ---
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Larkonis Trassler
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2010.03.25 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I will likely be putting myself up as candidate again
Hahaha, oh wow. If I'm allowed to run then I am definately tempted to have a try this time around.
C U on da voting field.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.03.25 14:58:00 -
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im so taking credit for removal of term limits. CSM FOR LIFE YEAH!!! i raised the issue as a troll, now it's reality. Awesome!
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2010.03.26 20:48:00 -
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I may run again (not that I think I have that much chance of winning) but a year commitment is a pretty big piece of someones life. I think the lenght of time has the potential to improve the effectiveness of the CSM overall, but burnout might really be an issue.
The CSM is a serious commitment and I know in my case it really diminished the time I could spend focused on my corp and alliance.
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Ovella
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Posted - 2010.03.27 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu im so taking credit for removal of term limits. CSM FOR LIFE YEAH!!! i raised the issue as a troll, now it's reality. Awesome!
Now we only need someone to raise issue to cancel election and make CCP hanpick candidates themselves (or use some sort of random number generator for it to be "fair") so they could have even more convinient time for "elections" than march \o/ Hell, it might even free up some time for them to actually make more imortant devblogs (like insurance nerf) instead of another CSM ones, while EVE population will be spared from pointless local spam and containers promoting one or other candidate - everyone happy. |
Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.27 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ashina Sito
Originally by: Mashie Saldana Yay, now we will have Fanfest freeloaders stuck at CSM for 12months per year...
Quote: The visit will take place in June, the first month of their taking office.
This will then be followed by a second visit in December.
There is no FanFest CSM summit, unless CCP is moving Fanfest out of October and changing it to June or December.
It's nice to see all the requirement information posted or linked to with the CSM announcement blog this time. Having a 3 day notice to get started with the CSM canidaite info is a bit short, but I guess it must be done. Time to get crackin' I guess.
I can only assume you are unaware of this but the candidates that was in CMS during the autumn period also got a free trip to Fanfast in addition to the summit.
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ThorTheGreat
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.03.30 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I can only assume you are unaware of this but the candidates that was in CMS during the autumn period also got a free trip to Fanfast in addition to the summit.
Actually to date, every member of the CSM has been given the trip. Only the core 9 from each of the 4 councils. I'm not sure if 4's timing was off or not or if they weren't offered it for some reason.
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.03.30 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: Future Mutant on 30/03/2010 08:56:02
Originally by: mazzilliu im so taking credit for removal of term limits. CSM FOR LIFE YEAH!!! i raised the issue as a troll, now it's reality. Awesome!
Behold the power of the jugglies! Theyre not just for getting free drinks at bars anymore. Theyre also for getting free drinks at bars in iceland.
That joke aside- im not entirerly against the concept of the csm. As long as ccp realizes the committee is essentially special interest groups- and dont plan to blindly follow every bad idea given.
Would be nice if they severly limited sensitive information. Non disclosure agreements aside- you would have to be corky to actually get caught abusing privileged information.
On that note i say we vote for lark again- at least he actually made some of us some isk.
*note the author doesnt endorse breaking any rules, non disclosure agreements, or tos in any way shape or form.*
Also- i would like to see a procedure where candidates can offer isk for your vote. Perhaps make it secure like with gtc sales. That sounds awesome and would instantly make the csm worth something- and as far as i know it doesnt break any tos.
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Jerid Verges
Gallente The Society of Innovation The Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.03.30 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jack bubu good, more power to the CSM ;)
POOOWEEEEER!!! UNLIIIMITEEEEEED POOOOOWEEEEEEEER!!!!!!!
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Manalapan
Dynasty Banking General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.31 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Future Mutant
Also- i would like to see a procedure where candidates can offer isk for your vote. Perhaps make it secure like with gtc sales. That sounds awesome and would instantly make the csm worth something- and as far as i know it doesnt break any tos.
I, Manalapan, agree with this proposal due to my historically generated wealth and as a response to the recent changes to the CSM process will be running for CSM.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.03.31 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Hahaha, oh wow. If I'm allowed to run then I am definately tempted to have a try this time around.
C U on da voting field.
Originally by: mazzilliu im so taking credit for removal of term limits. CSM FOR LIFE YEAH!!! i raised the issue as a troll, now it's reality. Awesome!
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Omega Flames
Caldari Last Resort Inn SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2010.04.03 16:04:00 -
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The only change I don't welcome with open arms is the no term limits one. I do feel there should be some sort of limit or method to force the seats to be filled with a new person every so often. ------------------------- "Forsys > WAR Forsys > HUH Forsys > WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR Harry Sunday > loot Forsys > touchT" |
Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.04.08 04:54:00 -
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Votes will be XSS hackable again this time?
Maybe the trolls can hack their way in for 8 terms.
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2010.04.08 16:48:00 -
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Is there a page which gives status on a pending submission? I'm pretty sure I submitted my info properly last night, I saw some sort of status page after that, but I can't find it now, just an option to update my info. No e-mail confirmation either.... (the CSM need to spend some time addressing UI issues....)
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Elf Lord
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Posted - 2010.04.08 21:00:00 -
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Ok I'm new to this entire thing, I have only been playing for 6 months and have had no experience with any member of the CSM? that I know of. (Actually I never even know such a group exsisted until very recently and totally be accident, So take this question for what little it's worth. I would like to run, but I can't afford to fly much of anywhere. I'm 59 and an unemployed IT Specialist. I think this game has a world of potential but would someone clarify what if any amount of money I will need to pay out of pocket to do the job correctly and for the players. I also work Emergency Responce and Search and Rescue on My own Nickle,so that also cuts into my budget such as it is. Thank you for letting Me ask this question.
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Elf Lord
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Posted - 2010.04.08 22:19:00 -
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OK another question. Sorry but I looked and can't find the answer. I went ahead and submited my application for the CSM but I have no idea whaere to look to see if it actually went through or not. WHere would the canidents be listed? Second the reason, or one of the 2 reasons that CCP wanted a copy of someone passport was to verify that the person was who they say they are and there age. I use and old Passort since in the US it's good for ID no matter what how or where. It even beats out Birth certificates and Drivers licences. The second reason stated was to make sure the person running for office could/can in fact travel to Iceland for what ever reasons. I have an up to date Passport but I also have a Clearence. And becasue of that I am not willing to send new passport ID through the Internet or in any other way short of registered Mail, and or by Fax directly to CCP HQ. If thats a problem tell me now so it can be addressed. but it will NOT be sent over this or any other internet link. I hope everyone understands and can live with it. But there is little or no chance I will chance My mind. Besides they pick alts, so if the winner can't show they have a passport than the alt gets the job. It can't be that tough to veriy in time after the fact.
Thank you again Fly Well Fly Free
Elf Lord
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Gee aren't I fun?
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