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Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.03.23 17:09:00 - [1] "A POOR Russian genius, who could be the world's cleverest man, says he does not need the $1 million prize for solving one of the hardest problems in mathematics. " http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/maths-genius-grigori-perelman-refuses-1m-prize-for-solving-poincare-conjecture/story-e6frf7jx-1225844306582 I take my hat off to this man. His perspective towards the world is truly humbling.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.23 17:28:00 - [2] Quote: Neighbour Vera Petrovna said: ?I was once in his flat and I was astounded. He only has a table, a stool and a bed with a dirty mattress which was left by previous owners - alcoholics who sold the flat to him.?We are trying to get rid of **roaches in our block, but they hide in his flat.? Sounds like he has some form of aspergers that is getting worse that is killing off his social tendencies for extreme focus on mathmatics. Get than man some treatment stat! Originally by:** CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.03.23 17:32:00 - [3] Edited by: Grimpak on 23/03/2010 17:36:30 that's interesting. a 3 dimensional space without holes is a streched sphere then. more interestingly, what made such researcher withdraw from the field? Originally by: Zeba Quote: Neighbour Vera Petrovna said: ?I was once in his flat and I was astounded. He only has a table, a stool and a bed with a dirty mattress which was left by previous owners - alcoholics who sold the flat to him.?We are trying to get rid of **roaches in our block, but they hide in his flat.? Sounds like he has some form of aspergers that is getting worse that is killing off his social tendencies for extreme focus on mathmatics. Get than man some treatment stat! probably not? Originally by:** Wikipedia, so yeah, grain of salt As of the spring of 2003, Perelman no longer worked at the Steklov Institute. His friends are said to have stated that he currently finds mathematics a painful topic to discuss; some even say that he has abandoned mathematics entirely. According to a 2006 interview, Perelman is currently jobless, living with his mother in Saint Petersburg. Although Perelman is quoted in a The New Yorker article that he is disappointed with the ethical standards of the field of mathematics, the article implies that Perelman refers particularly to Yau's efforts to downplay Perelman's role in the proof and play up the work of Cao and Zhu. Perelman has said that "I can't say I'm outraged. Other people do worse. Of course, there are many mathematicians who are more or less honest. But almost all of them are conformists. They are more or less honest, but they tolerate those who are not honest."[6] He has also said that "It is not people who break ethical standards who are regarded as aliens. It is people like me who are isolated." This, combined with the possibility of being awarded a Fields medal, led him to quit professional mathematics. He has said that "As long as I was not conspicuous, I had a choice. Either to make some ugly thing or, if I didn't do this kind of thing, to be treated as a pet. Now, when I become a very conspicuous person, I cannot stay a pet and say nothing. That is why I had to quit." (The New Yorker authors explained Perelman's reference to "some ugly thing" as "a fuss" on Perelman's part about the ethical breaches he perceived.) matter of ethics? now that's.... quite an interesting issue actually. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.03.23 17:39:00 - [4] He prolly nerd raged about something at work and got teased for it, damaged his psyche and he went off the deep end, isolating himself from the outside world and ended up in the circumstances he's in now. A lot of super intelligent people have very similar problems. I know a guy that worked on the ARPANet back in the day that eventually went nutty and now lives in a YMCA, barely able to afford to feed himself. The guy is a genius, just lost his ** at one point. Originally by:** CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.23 17:48:00 - [5] @Grimpak. Apergers can come in many forms that can 'worsen' over time in that it changes how you view and relate to the world around you as you slide deeper and deeper into whatever singular purpose drives you. So as his mathmatical focus increased his social functions decreased to the point he was unable to relate and so 'loses his faith' in the process. Also aspergers is not a bad thing to have as some of the most creative people in the history of man have been diagnosed as having aspergers. That it is bandied about as a deragatory term here in eve is due to the copius amount of 'juvenile arsehat syndrome' that plauges the forums. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Capsuleers of Doom Opticon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.23 17:49:00 - [6] Eventually he shall return from his self-exile, and alas the glorious union shall live again.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.03.23 18:27:00 - [7] Originally by: Zeba @Grimpak. Apergers can come in many forms that can 'worsen' over time in that it changes how you view and relate to the world around you as you slide deeper and deeper into whatever singular purpose drives you. So as his mathmatical focus increased his social functions decreased to the point he was unable to relate and so 'loses his faith' in the process. Also aspergers is not a bad thing to have as some of the most creative people in the history of man have been diagnosed as having aspergers. That it is bandied about as a deragatory term here in eve is due to the copius amount of 'juvenile arsehat syndrome' that plauges the forums. hmmm... well that is a point of view. indeed the man mighty suffer from Aspergers. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Vogue Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.23 18:35:00 - [8] I have grown a beard in the past 2 weeks and have found i have a better grasp of maths
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.03.23 18:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Vogue Edited by: Vogue on 23/03/2010 18:37:47 I have grown a beard in the past 2 weeks and consequently have found i have a better grasp of maths I can confirm this... I recently shaved my beard and am now having trouble concentrating and understanding what I'm doing at work :( Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.23 19:01:00 - [10] Edited by: Zeba on 23/03/2010 19:02:45 Originally by: Grimpak hmmm... well that is a point of view. indeed the man mighty suffer from Aspergers. To be fair it might be some other mental health issue but one thing is for certain: You don't go from noted mathmatical proffessor to self imposed hermit who lost his faith in society over something small. That his colleages were baffled at what has caused his sudden withdrawal to his current condition is what reminded me of the classic aspergers symptoms. When he was focusing on that problem his brain was actively rewriting over other portions of his brain normally reserved for other functions so it could continue to function on the problem at hand. But once rewritten those areas need to be similarly stimulated to be back to the old functions. Hence the 'worsening' condition in rare cases. Tbh aspergers syndrome is a fascinating study that is getting more and more attention now that they can do active maps of your brain activity when doing tasks. If you like to know how genius works I highly reccomend reading up on it in detail. Hell one scientist using all the new data on aspergers has figured out a way to use magnetic induction to 'switch off' portions of a brain for a short duration and let other areas use the freed up 'bandwith' to make leaps of intelligence in a normal person at the cost of other things like physical reaction time. This was basically letting them perform tasks for a few minutes like counting exactly how many dots are on a page that was shown to them for a fraction of a second or even quickly performing complex maths in their head that took them severak mintutes with a pen and paper before. However in these cases the 'overwritten' parts of the brain quickly recover their old functions unlike the aspergers cases. edit, sorry about wall of text but my ps3 browser refuses to recognize page breaks.. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.

Omgah The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.03.23 19:19:00 - [11] I sick of people claiming assburgers as the source of all their social woes. I like losers that just accept being a loser rather then blaming a medical condition that they don't have.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.23 19:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Omgah I sick of people claiming assburgers as the source of all their social woes. I like losers that just accept being a loser rather then blaming a medical condition that they don't have. Wat? Noone here is claiming to have aspergers. Its simply an option in his case due to the circumstances and bits of his social life that were given. Looks like we might have a case of juvenile arsehat syndrome in the thread now though. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.03.23 19:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Omgah I sick of people claiming assburgers as the source of all their social woes. I like losers that just accept being a loser rather then blaming a medical condition that they don't have. Didn't you hear? Math makes the world go 'round, if you have the magic then there is no reason to not prosper in this world, if you know math and still fail I'd say there are other things at work here. Math is the win button after all. Delenda est achura.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.23 20:37:00 - [14] There is no way to tell whether he has aspergers or not. Normal people have aspergers, they function as normal contributors to society. Why this guy declined to accept 1 million dollars is unknown, but it should not be a reflection of any kind of developmental disability he may or may not have. Speculation doesn't ask for kind criticism. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf THE FEW.	Posted - 2010.03.23 20:47:00 - [15] mebes he likes living with roaches destroy everything you touch
Kessiaan Minmatar Vagrants Inc	Posted - 2010.03.23 21:00:00 - [16] Discussion about eccentric genius doing eccentric stuff devolves into flame war about poorly understood & severely stigmatized mental disorders. Hold on a sec, I need to make some popcorn for this!
adfadfadfawe	Posted - 2010.03.23 21:04:00 - [17] This is an interesting letter written on behalf of Nikola Tesla. It seems like brilliant men tend to die angry and alone.
SeismicForce Terra Incognita Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.03.23 21:06:00 - [18] Sorry to say this, I just don't get idiots like him. Such genius going to waste, he could put his gift to work for the betterment of us all. You don't have to be in some limelight to be famous. Kind of like finding the cure to cancer and then locking yourself up in the basement. Originally by: Allisie In a recent interview, a dev mentioned that ships and skills cause lag and will be removed in EVE 2.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Capsuleers of Doom Opticon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.23 21:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Normal people have aspergers, they function as normal contributors to society. No they don't. They tend to wallow away at deviantart with their furry erotica yaoi stories. (But seriously, how did someone pick the fact he may have aspergers from this?) Originally by: Kessiaan Discussion about eccentric genius doing eccentric stuff devolves into flame war about poorly understood & severely stigmatized mental disorders. Hold on a sec, I need to make some popcorn for this! Oh, and don't forget to note that aspergers is now a sub-form of autism. That definitely fuels the fire.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.03.23 21:32:00 - [20] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa There is no way to tell whether he has aspergers or not. Normal people have aspergers, they function as normal contributors to society. Why this guy declined to accept 1 million dollars is unknown, but it should not be a reflection of any kind of developmental disability he may or may not have. Speculation doesn't ask for kind criticism. I can understand why he didn't want the money, he stated it quite plainly as well. He doesn't want to be a circus attraction as is so common now a days. People just relish the idea of pointing out other's flaws whenever they end up in the spotlight. I'm sure it has something to do with him realizing he doesn't exactly behave in a manner that is "socially acceptable" and probably has quite a bit of contempt for modern society. He probably doesn't want to deal with all the salacious stories that will be made up about him in order to ride the coat tails of his "fame", hence his statement "I don't want to be on display like an animal in a zoo." I'm curious how you figure someone is normal when they are diagnosed with a condition that is considered a psychological abnormality? I'm not so sure you even know what asperger's really is. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.

Muscado Mestica	Posted - 2010.03.23 21:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 23/03/2010 19:02:45 Hell one scientist using all the new data on aspergers has figured out a way to use magnetic induction to 'switch off' portions of a brain for a short duration and let other areas use the freed up 'bandwith' to make leaps of intelligence in a normal person at the cost of other things like physical reaction time. If possible, how can I find out more about this? It grabbed my interest, but I haven't found anything about it from searches. Thank you!
adfadfadfawe	Posted - 2010.03.23 21:41:00 - [22] I think you are oversimplifying the situation. Geniuses throughout history have tended to be socially inept and suffered from mental illness. Name any brilliant person that comes to your mind and you will find a genius that would have gone unrecognized had there not been someone there to help save it. If we are the ones with the most to gain from this man, then we have the most responsibility to help save him. Originally by: SeismicForce Sorry to say this, I just don't get idiots like him. Such genius going to waste, he could put his gift to work for the betterment of us all. You don't have to be in some limelight to be famous. Kind of like finding the cure to cancer and then locking yourself up in the basement.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.03.23 21:52:00 - [23] its sad people have lost thier moral compasses lately Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 24FEB10
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.23 21:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Barakkus I'm curious how you figure someone is normal when they are diagnosed with a condition that is considered a psychological abnormality? I'm not so sure you even know what asperger's really is. Okay I'll play ball. What do you think Asperger's is? www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.03.23 23:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Barakkus I'm curious how you figure someone is normal when they are diagnosed with a condition that is considered a psychological abnormality? I'm not so sure you even know what asperger's really is. Okay I'll play ball. What do you think Asperger's is? It's considered a form of high functioning autism without the linguistical development problems, usually more social ineptness and lack of ability to have empathy towards people they interact with, in addition to sometimes displaying "clumsy" behavior. People with asperger's generally get obsessive over stuff, which generally renders them socially inept since they usually focus most of their interaction with others based on the subject matter they obsess about. It's not as common in adults due to people "growing out of it", or is misdiagnosed as depression, OCD or ADHD. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
M'ktakh	Posted - 2010.03.23 23:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Muscado Mestica Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 23/03/2010 19:02:45 Hell one scientist using all the new data on aspergers has figured out a way to use magnetic induction to 'switch off' portions of a brain for a short duration and let other areas use the freed up 'bandwith' to make leaps of intelligence in a normal person at the cost of other things like physical reaction time. áááááIf possible, how can I find out more about this? It grabbed my interest, but I haven't found anything about it from searches. áááááThank you! +1. Also, to the person writing that geniuses die alone and anrgy: No **, Sherlock. Go spend a day with people 20-300 IQ points and 10 years of education beneath you. To even your run-of-the-mill genius, every **ing day is like that.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.24 02:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Barakkus It's considered a form of high functioning autism without the linguistical development problems, usually more social ineptness and lack of ability to have empathy towards people they interact with, in addition to sometimes displaying "clumsy" behavior. People with asperger's generally get obsessive over stuff, which generally renders them socially inept since they usually focus most of their interaction with others based on the subject matter they obsess about. It's not as common in adults due to people "growing out of it", or is misdiagnosed as depression, OCD or ADHD. Way to paraphrase Wikipedia :P Right. Asperger's is a form of high functioning autism (+1 for you), but it isn't so much about a lack of empathy in all cases. More often than not, it involves an inability to understand certain social nuances that most would take for granted. For example, body language or non-direct statements that are used to tell people something sometimes often are not interpreted correctly from the person with the disability. It's fascinating though, because though the person can be highly talented and can learn things at a remarkable pace, they often do not share the standard learning practices that their peers do. So it puts the person with the disability at a disadvantage, because they may not fully grasp the fundamental mechanic of "this is how you're supposed to get here," instead thinking "but I got here, right?" Overstimulation can cause a breakdown of a person with Asperger's, where a normal person can filter things out to focus at the task at hand. This causes the person with the disability to become loud, obnoxious or even attention-seeking. Mostly this is because they have no way to channel it, so they have to become involved somehow with the stimuli to filter it properly. This is where you find people with Asperger's often taking control of conversations, or talking over people. Socially, it's a different ball of wax. As I said earlier there are nuances of social interaction most would understand that the person with the disability cannot fully grasp. This separates them from groups because rather than being able to just go with the flow they require special explanations of what is generally understood. They also fixate on things, not able to let go when the conversation has moved on. Processing thoughts takes time and can cause a delay in response so that others are dragged behind by persons with the disability. Overall, people with Asperger's are incredibly intelligent and capable of much. They are able to take on something new and understand every little detail of their passion. When it comes to more rote and mundane tasks however they become disinterested, and unable to comply with normal routines. They favor complexity instead of simplicity and it can often undo them in the long run. How do I know so much about this? Because I have experience with it first-hand. Trust me, there are dozens of people you may know with Asperger's. That doesn't make them any less of a person. In fact, it may enrich both your life and theirs with ideas and thoughts that some may never thought of. It's just how one sees it, I guess. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.24 03:18:00 - [28] I simply called aspergers because it fits the limited info available from the op's link. Like siig said someone with aspergers can function normally for years until the situation arises that puts them into overload which by all accounts is what happed to the poor guy. To the others in the thread having aspergers is nothing to worry about in the vast majority of cases as its simply another common disorder that sometimes manifests itself in seemingly negative ways with the lack of social functions that 'normal' people can't seem to be sympathetic enough to work around. As far as the scientist with the magnetic induction experiment I saw it on a discovery channel show about autism and aspergers. Yeah yeah I know to take that stuff with a grain of salt but it seemed quite believeable as I'm not exactly a noob where human behavior study is concerned. I'll see if I can track down the show and get the name of the scientist for the pooh poohers in the crowd. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Nebulous Minmatar Salvage Junkies	Posted - 2010.03.24 06:53:00 - [29] Edited by: Nebulous on 24/03/2010 06:53:45 Ignoring the whole "mental health" part of this discussion, if you look back through time you will find that many medical/scientific masterminds were not motivated by profiteering. Einstein, Fleming and Da Vinci to name a few. ------------------------------------------------
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.03.24 11:40:00 - [30] One other thing that could be a factor in some cases is that as you get older you come to care less and less about societies bull **, especially if you are a fairly intelligent person. It's boring for really intelligent people to be around average people. The average person is simply incapable of holding up their end of the conversation. The intelligent person has to spend a great deal of personal time and energy conveying even simple topics to people who don't know how to use their minds but merely blather on about what someone else told them, parroting whatever the common knowledge of the day is. As intelligent people get older - some of them just get tired of all that crap. The average person to them simply isn't worth fooling with and they don't have the time or energy to expend being polite to people who simply aren't their intellectual equals. So - they withdraw from common society and common society, incapable of realizing that it is to boring and stupid to put up with labels them hermits or malcontents. A lot of old people get a reputation for being cranky - because they're to tired to put up with all the social politeness that goes on. Most people talk - not to exchange information - but rather to exchange feelings ... most of which is "I'm one of the cool people. You're one of the cool people. Isn't it great to be one of the cool people - not like all those other people who aren't cool like us?" For an old, smart person who's been listening to that crap - and being put down by the kind of people who utter it since they were children - what the hell do they need to have anything to do with those people for anyway? Younger people - even younger intelligent people - tend to have a need for others to be in their lives. They need to feel loved and wanted - and they want to get laid. After decades of putting up with society in order to try and get that - and getting none of it - they finally get tired of it and blow society off. Then society starts treating them like there's something wrong with them - when all that has happened is - they've gotten tired of putting up with societies bull *. I mean ... think about it ... by definition - half of society is below average intelligence - and the average isn't all that high. shrug* One of the things Einstein used to do was to simply deny he was Einstein to people who stopped him on the street wanting to talk to him. He was probably fairly polite to the first several dozen but after a while it just tires a person out and it was easier for him to say that "Oh! I'm sorry. People are always confusing me with that Mr. Einstein fellow," and then just go on his way, rather than yell at them "STFU and leave me alone damn it!" Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools

Ivan En'Vec Costolle Military Assistance Corporation	Posted - 2010.03.24 22:14:00 - [31] Quote: Didn't you hear? Math makes the world go 'round
Whitehound	Posted - 2010.03.24 22:21:00 - [32] Any mathematical problem is hard for those people who think that one million is a lot. --
Miregar Shakor Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.25 11:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk true stuff +1; couldn't put it better myself.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.25 12:31:00 - [34] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 25/03/2010 12:33:49 Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Lot of truth here really. Wether people want to admit it or not, the avarage person does not think that much. Or rather, does not think critically, and seem to lack some curiosity about the world. Blindly accepting the world as it is is a bad thing, and just looking in this forum thread, I see the same trend. Some math guy said no to money, then (almost) everybody lables him with some mental disorder like its the natural thing to do with thoose who do not want money and like a simple house. What if he simply has come to the realization that the common materealistic values in sociey has no meaning for him? Maybe he simply has a set of different values then most others? I know I do. People may think I am wierd when I got a job that could afford me a lot more fansy housing and such (and a boat, two cars and all that ****), but yet my house is very minimalistic, because I do not value such things. I do not have boat or two cars, I take the bus frequently. Such materealistic things has no meaning for me. I however value my friends and familiy, and I prioritise to spend time with them. And I value learning and expanding my mind so I always question and think. Thoose are my values. And because of it, the common man think I am wierd. :P I am not saying this math dude do not have an illness, but it seems he came to a realaization that the way some scientists operate is rateher unethical. And I would agree, I know a lot more "amature" scientis without PHd or formal degrees that hold true to the real scientific method more then some "recognized" scienteits. Universities also gets paied the more articles they produce (and gets more famous, more recognized etc), as such the field of akademeia is also more and more clouded by greed, and not driven by the quest for truth and knowledge as it should. but I digress. Edit: Also note how the headline included teh refusion of money, and not a focus on that he actually solved a math problem. Kinda sickening, and I bet if he had accepted the money there would be no article about him at all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.25 17:50:00 - [35] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Some math guy said no to money, then (almost) everybody lables him with some mental disorder like its the natural thing to do with thoose who do not want money and like a simple house. Refusing the prize and then going on to live a simple life in a simple home is one thing and if that was what happened then you would be correct. However the man went rapidly from a socialy oriented noted mathamatician to a reclusive hermit living in a ***roach infested house formerly owned by alcoholics with only a table, stool and dirty mattress the previous owners left which I am quite certain is covered with priss and fecal matter stains as the sole furniture. If you seriously think that is a normal rational thing to do then I hope to god you never ever are in a position to have to diagnose and eventualy help a person in a situation like that. Something* massively traumatic happened to him be it a worsening undiagnosed mental 'disorder' or some other trigger. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Ntrist	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:21:00 - [36] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Some math guy said no to money, then (almost) everybody lables him with some mental disorder like its the natural thing to do with thoose who do not want money and like a simple house. Refusing the prize and then going on to live a simple life in a simple home is one thing and if that was what happened then you would be correct. However the man went rapidly from a socialy oriented noted mathamatician to a reclusive hermit living in a ***roach infested house formerly owned by alcoholics with only a table, stool and dirty mattress the previous owners left which I am quite certain is covered with priss and fecal matter stains as the sole furniture. If you seriously think that is a normal rational thing to do then I hope to god you never ever are in a position to have to diagnose and eventualy help a person in a situation like that. Something* massively traumatic happened to him be it a worsening undiagnosed mental 'disorder' or some other trigger. Read what he said about why he refused, perfectly rational. Not what I would have done, but that's why he's a genius and I'm not.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.03.26 02:11:00 - [37] Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 26/03/2010 02:11:46 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Some math guy said no to money, then (almost) everybody lables him with some mental disorder like its the natural thing to do with thoose who do not want money and like a simple house. Refusing the prize and then going on to live a simple life in a simple home is one thing and if that was what happened then you would be correct. However the man went rapidly from a socialy oriented noted mathamatician to a reclusive hermit living in a ***roach infested house formerly owned by alcoholics with only a table, stool and dirty mattress the previous owners left which I am quite certain is covered with priss and fecal matter stains as the sole furniture. If you seriously think that is a normal rational thing to do then I hope to god you never ever are in a position to have to diagnose and eventualy help a person in a situation like that. Something* massively traumatic happened to him be it a worsening undiagnosed mental 'disorder' or some other trigger. You could be absolutely right. But you could also be absolutely wrong. The problem for us - is that we don't really know anything ourselves. All we know is what some sensationalistic journalists told us - (and yes ... I realize that "sensationalistic journalist" is a redundancy ...). I've known alcoholics who were very clean, fastidious people. I've lived in a house with a roach problem and had them crawl across my face at night (not fun ...) but we kept the house as clean as we could - which was pretty damn clean. But we lived in New Orleans - and the whole damn city had a roach problem. I've also slept on a used mattress - which didn't mean it was covered with filth. It just means it wasn't new. I wouldn't have slept on it if it had been filthy. If you think about it - everyone who has ever slept in a hotel has slept on a "used" mattress. shrug Yeah - you may be right. I've no doubt that there are people who have exactly the problems you are talking about - and - this guy may well be one of them. It's just that from what we've had access to and not knowing this guy personally ... shrug I don't know that this is the case. What I do know from my half century of watching television - is that "journalists" are not in the business of telling the truth. They aren't in the business of lying either - but they are in the business of selling commercial air time and news print. They are out to make money - and - if the truth serves - then fine - they'll use it - but they aren't relying on it. As Katie Couric has been quoted as quoting (perhaps partially in jest) "You can't let the facts get in the way of a good story." That's an old journalistic saying ... she didn't make it up ... which goes to show the attitude involved. A lot of the time, the jokes people tell are funny - because they are true. shrug "*What's your Angle?" the Editor screamed at the cub reporter. I.E. - what is the hook to your story? How are you going to make a headline out of this that will grab peoples attention - so they'll buy our news paper*? How many times have you heard that? Perry White (from Superman) and J. Johnah Jameson (from Spiderman) were not fabricated out of whole cloth - they were based on real people. Exaggerations certainly but - never the less - based on attitudes prevalent in journalism then and now. At one time I watched Sixty Minutes religiously. I was a news junky. Then ... I began to realize ... that every time they did a story on something I actually knew something about - they screwed it up. EVERY FRAKKING TIME. So - what did that say for all those stories they had done - where I didn't know anything about them? I stopped watching. I still watch the news because I still want to know what is going on in the world ... but ... I do not take ANYTHING I see at face value. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.26 09:53:00 - [38] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 26/03/2010 09:54:25 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Some math guy said no to money, then (almost) everybody lables him with some mental disorder like its the natural thing to do with thoose who do not want money and like a simple house. Refusing the prize and then going on to live a simple life in a simple home is one thing and if that was what happened then you would be correct. However the man went rapidly from a socialy oriented noted mathamatician to a reclusive hermit living in a ***roach infested house formerly owned by alcoholics with only a table, stool and dirty mattress the previous owners left which I am quite certain is covered with priss and fecal matter stains as the sole furniture. If you seriously think that is a normal rational thing to do then I hope to god you never ever are in a position to have to diagnose and eventualy help a person in a situation like that. Something* massively traumatic happened to him be it a worsening undiagnosed mental 'disorder' or some other trigger. You are jumping to wild conclusions based on what a sensasionalist reporter got from what this guys neigobur said. Compleatly unfounded in other words. Also, read my post a bit better, bascially I was trying to state that I do not know too much about him to jump to such conclusion (and that even if he lived minimally its no big deal), but what I wanted to get at was that people read this because he refused moeny, not because he solved a math problem. And you hope to "god" I do not have anything to do with tramuaticed people? What? First of all ignoring the reference to some imaginary "god", what does such an attack on me do to get your point across? Do you even know me? Of course not, you are jsut angry it seems. I also agree with the take on journalism in the above post, I do not have half a century of expereince, but I have lived long enough to see all the bs in the news. People stopped caring about Truth when it did not sell, and it did not seem nice. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.26 17:05:00 - [39] Jebus all I said is that from the limited info it looks like the guy is suffering from some sort of mental breakdown. That I named aspergers instead of using the generic mental illness tag is my right to do in a discussion forum where you post your opinions. And that report wasn't sensational at all. It was simply conveying the story is as few words as possible due to the writer not having limitless space to do a full background investigation story. That will come later from someone else if the story catches enough interest. I think the majority of denial that the man might be sick comes from all the negative connotations that mental illness has accrued over the years. The truth is that mental illness is except in rare cases is mostly benign for the vast majority of those who are afflicted with whatever it is they have. Hell I would say that people with mental disorders have done moar for the common normal man than any other group of people in the history of the world if all these post mortem diagnosis on the movers and shakers of the past are true. Some might even say that 'normal' people which by the way is the baseline for judging whether a person has a mental 'disorder' are the ones who are the really sick ones with their sheepish ways and tendency to totaly ignore reality. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:53:00 - [40] Originally by: adfadfadfawe This is an interesting letter written on behalf of Nikola Tesla. It seems like brilliant men tend to die angry and alone. Nobody likes a smartypants. Be dumb and you will be loved... No, seriously, there is a lot more to the story of Tesla. He was a brilliant man but some very powerful people made sure his inventions would never become public property out of their own need for power and greed. Thats why we are still on combustion engines and burning oil for energy. --

Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:40:00 - [41] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Some math guy said no to money, then (almost) everybody lables him with some mental disorder like its the natural thing to do with thoose who do not want money and like a simple house. Refusing the prize and then going on to live a simple life in a simple home is one thing and if that was what happened then you would be correct. However the man went rapidly from a socialy oriented noted mathamatician to a reclusive hermit living in a ***roach infested house formerly owned by alcoholics with only a table, stool and dirty mattress the previous owners left which I am quite certain is covered with priss and fecal matter stains as the sole furniture. If you seriously think that is a normal rational thing to do then I hope to god you never ever are in a position to have to diagnose and eventualy help a person in a situation like that. Something* massively traumatic happened to him be it a worsening undiagnosed mental 'disorder' or some other trigger. No Zeba - THIS - is what you said. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.27 05:19:00 - [42] Whatever dude. I call em as I see em. That you disagree is totally within your rights as I have already had my say and don't feel like feeding the trolls anymoar, Bottom line is the man went from top of the world to reclusive hermit living in squalor. No rational person with a healthy mental disposition will ever do that so have fun with the rest of the thread. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.03.27 09:40:00 - [43] Originally by: Zeba Whatever dude. I call em as I see em. That you disagree is totally within your rights as I have already had my say and don't feel like feeding the trolls anymoar, Bottom line is the man went from top of the world to reclusive hermit living in squalor. No rational person with a healthy mental disposition will ever do that so have fun with the rest of the thread. Yep. We've each had our say. We just disagree about the certainty of that report. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
ReaperOfSly Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Dead Reckoning Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.27 10:08:00 - [44] Is it just me or is it really really sad that there's more attention being given to his refusal of the money, than to the fact that he just solved one of the most important conjectures in topology? I mean, that's ground-breaking stuff. And here we are arguing about whether refusing a lump of cash makes a person crazy. Good on him. He's a bloody genius. And if he does not value money, then he's clearly more enlightened than the rest of us sheep. ____________________
M'ktakh	Posted - 2010.03.27 15:23:00 - [45] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Is it just me or is it really really sad that there's more attention being given to his refusal of the money, than to the fact that he just solved one of the most important conjectures in topology? I mean, that's ground-breaking stuff. And here we are arguing about whether refusing a lump of cash makes a person crazy. Good on him. He's a bloody genius. And if he does not value money, then he's clearly more enlightened than the rest of us sheep. Time required to even comprehend what the guy did: at least a year of university-grade math education. Time required to slam someone because he does not conform: zero seconds. People are lazy, detestable roaches. As for the mathematician: I can totally agree with him. I honestly, truly wish I had that level of insight. You see, to someone burrowed deep into their field, solving a problem, and creating equations, diagrams, solutions, whatever on paper and in their brain gives much more pleasure than having a 200 room building with three swimming pools.
Taua Roqa Minmatar Woe Hole	Posted - 2010.03.27 19:34:00 - [46] omg a million is so much money! no matter how much you spent you'd still have millions left :o wot an idiot LOL!


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