Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador

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to the op, you don't need to fly expensive ships. battlecruisers > hacs :)

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Originally by: Thargorr

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the reason you're being flamed is because you pointed out to a bunch of junkies that their drug of choice is not actually all that fun, just you know...addictive.

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Originally by: Nuadara

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Originally by: Thargorr

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the reason you're being flamed is because you pointed out to a bunch of junkies that their drug of choice is not actually all that fun, just you know...addictive.

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lemme guess, you can quit at any time?

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Originally by: Thargorr

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Originally by: Nuadara

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Originally by: Thargorr

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the reason you're being flamed is because you pointed out to a bunch of junkies that their drug of choice is not actually all that fun, just you know...addictive.

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lemme guess, you can quit at any time?

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Everything but the forums! I started my first character (not on this account) in '05. I log in every month or two to change skills. Haven't had all three of my accounts active at once since '08 and there was a 3-4 month gap in 2009 when none of my accounts are active. I check back in the forums from time to time though. Mostly cause I miss Akita. I dunno how that man keeps interest for so long!

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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac

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Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12

Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.

I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds.

Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market.

How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating ISK<-->GTC's and 30 day plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has.

Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current structure.

Now, can something be done?

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Originally by: Grunanca

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Edited by: Grunanca on 24/03/2010 09:40:33

Originally by: Psychotic Maniac

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Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 09:24:28

Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.

I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds.

Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market.

How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating GTC's and 30 plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has.

Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current struture.

Now, can something be done?

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Yeah I hate spending 2-3 hours per month moving stuff between my POS towersWill definately have to stop doing it and buy 10 plexes per month instead!

Dude, its incredible easy to make a fortune in EVE, the only thing keeping you from it is your fear of losing stuff. Cowards are poor in EVE, because they dont go out and take their chances in areas were people might shoot at them.

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Originally by: New face1578

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If a hobby is not fun for you then don't, you know, do it.

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Originally by: Mr Kidd

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The OP makes valid points. Losing anything but a t1 frigate is going to require at least a couple of hours grinding to replace it and the mods lost assuming one is able to grind out 50mil/hour missioning. A myrm for instance: 28mil - hull, 3mil - drones, 4/5 mil - guns, +/- 20/30mil in other mods, plus 100mil in implants (conservative) when you get podded. Anything less than a year's training time and you're not going to make 50/mil/hr grinding missions. Actual grind times for those players who didn't plan on committing a year of focused training are going to be substantially longer.

The rest of you can choose to ignore this as a problem. But it is a problem. Granted I don't know what CCP could do. It's structure is so that the game remains relevant to even long term players. But for the new guys there really isn't much to do in Eve except grind. They're going to go out in their t1 frigates to an assured death. Everyone that tells them to fly t1 frigates knows this. They are the fodder in the fleet. They serve their purpose and then they're done. If they're lucky, they don't get podded.

Perhaps there isn't a solution. But that doesn't mean there isn't a problem.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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Edited by: Zartrader on 27/03/2010 17:05:00

There is no problem. Can't you see where your making wrong assumptions all the time?:

1. Why are you just grinding? You not read the numerous ways to make ISK? If you still choose to grind that's your fault. Many of us have several income streams. It's not hard. There are posts all over the place telling you how to do it, it really is very easy with very little training.

2. Why are you losing T2 ships? Flying them before you're are competent to do so deserves losses. Fly T1 until you are ready and as a hint it takes a lot more than SP's to be good at it.

3. Why are you being podded? That's easy to avoid. you should only be podded in a bubble or with extreme lag. If you do not know that why are you risking implants? You know how PVP players manage their implants to reduce substantial cost in case of the rare pod? If not, why don't you know? In fact long term players have a big disadvantage here in medical and clone costs. Did you not read the post about that?

4. Long term players. What do they have to do with how you play the game? With your attitude you'd still have problems in 5 years, although then you'd blame those playing for 10. This is the most accessible game I have ever played. If you assume you can't do something that's not the games fault. Where did you get the years training from? You can be earning easy ISK in this game in a matter of weeks.

I wish people would stop blaming the game when they have clearly not bothered to learn it past running missions. If you can't see the game past you're nose then you are not playing the game properly at all.

Its like me playing a game, not bothering to read the rules and then blaming everyone else when I lose. Learn the game before you complain about it.

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Originally by: Mr Kidd

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The OP makes valid points. Losing anything but a t1 frigate is going to require at least a couple of hours grinding to replace it and the mods lost assuming one is able to grind out 50mil/hour missioning. A myrm for instance: 28mil - hull, 3mil - drones, 4/5 mil - guns, +/- 20/30mil in other mods, plus 100mil in implants (conservative) when you get podded.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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Edited by: Zartrader on 27/03/2010 17:05:00
There is no problem. Can't you see where your making wrong assumptions all the time?:

1. Why are you just grinding? You not read the numerous ways to make ISK? If you still choose to grind that's your fault. Many of us have several income streams. It's not hard. There are posts all over the place telling you how to do it, it really is very easy with very little training.

2. Why are you losing T2 ships? Flying them before you're are competent to do so deserves losses. Fly T1 until you are ready and as a hint it takes a lot more than SP's to be good at it.

3. Why are you being podded? That's easy to avoid. you should only be podded in a bubble or with extreme lag. If you do not know that why are you risking implants? You know how PVP players manage their implants to reduce substantial cost in case of the rare pod? If not, why don't you know? In fact long term players have a big disadvantage here in medical and clone costs. Did you not read the post about that?

4. Long term players. What do they have to do with how you play the game? With your attitude you'd still have problems in 5 years, although then you'd blame those playing for 10. This is the most accessible game I have ever played. If you assume you can't do something that's not the games fault. Where did you get the years training from? You can be earning easy ISK in this game in a matter of weeks.

I wish people would stop blaming the game when they have clearly not bothered to learn it past running missions. If you can't see the game past you're nose then you are not playing the game properly at all.

Its like me playing a game, not bothering to read the rules and then blaming everyone else when I lose. Learn the game before you complain about it.

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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac

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I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc.

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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac

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Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12

Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.

I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds.

Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market.

How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating ISK<-->GTC's and 30 day plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has.

Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current structure.

Now, can something be done?

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Originally by: Vernn Miller

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Edited by: Vernn Miller on 29/03/2010 10:51:20
Join a null sec alliance.
Farm anomalies.
Loot and salvage.
Reprocess and build rigs / ammo / T1 mods and put them on sell orders.
Use the ISK from bounties to buy and sell stuffz.
PROFIT
Watch yer wallet grow and after say 2-3 months ya can lay back living off yer trades.

That is how I do it now and I do quite OK for such a young pilot as myself .


ALSO no pain no gain so stop *****ing .

edit: seems CCP doesnt like the word *****...

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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac

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Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12

Now, I may be missing something.

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