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Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.03.24 09:13:00 - [1] Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 09:24:28 Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds. Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market. How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating GTC's and 30 plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has. Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current struture. Now, can something be done?
Jimmae	Posted - 2010.03.24 09:16:00 - [2] ... don't forgot to tune in next Wednesday for another one of our well know features: "When common sense is mistaken for rocket science."
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.03.24 09:18:00 - [3] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Now, I may be missing something... True that. Loss in Eve means something because you LOOSE it when the ship explodes. If you want cheaper explosions without effort, those explosions wont mean that much.. also around you there seem to be some wealthy guys. Try to get some iskies from them if you can't be bothered to earn your own. If nothing of that helps - Sisi is that way >> PS: you can be pretty sure that planets won't be rolling in the isk if they can be even more passive then POS - simply as everyone will be doing it.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.03.24 09:26:00 - [4] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. /quote] Try an ISK source that isn't the EVE equivalent of flipping burgers.
VanNostrum	Posted - 2010.03.24 09:27:00 - [5] I can afford eve therefore I'm a rocket scientist
Shatner19	Posted - 2010.03.24 09:29:00 - [6] no eliminating gtc's and plexes would not be a good idea. RMT's used to be a much greater problem, that they tooks a massive load on CCP's servers plus the fact that if they were eliminated RMT's would invade the game again to supply those not willing to figure out how to make money. that means putting subscribers at risk of real-life theft and account suspension. the current plex system helps the developers since RL-money being spent for ingame stuff, goes directly to CCP and that money goes into improving the game further. Why do think that the game has a massive intake of subs since Quantum rise? Finding enough isk to pay for a months time, really isnt that hard. I came make enough to buy a plex in about 8 hours just missioning, while there are even more profitable ventures out there. mind you, you got 30 more days to make up enough to play for another month. so I think finding 8hrs in 30 days to do some boring-butt missions is time worth spending to play a game of such scope for free (technically). If it was me, I would want to fly a tech 1 cruiser in a hac gang. being perceived of a low priority target means i actually get on kills. tech 2 ships dont provide such a great advantage over tech 1 ships as you might be lead to believe. You might be paying 20x an amount for a ship with only a 10% boost in performance; when in reality that 10% is only noticeable when your flying solo, and barely anyone does that today. the only tech 2 cruiser hulls that i think are worth that amount of money are recon ships.
Grunanca Final Agony B A N E	Posted - 2010.03.24 09:40:00 - [7] Edited by: Grunanca on 24/03/2010 09:40:33 Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 09:24:28 Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds. Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market. How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating GTC's and 30 plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has. Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current struture. Now, can something be done? Yeah I hate spending 2-3 hours per month moving stuff between my POS towersWill definately have to stop doing it and buy 10 plexes per month instead! Dude, its incredible easy to make a fortune in EVE, the only thing keeping you from it is your fear of losing stuff. Cowards are poor in EVE, because they dont go out and take their chances in areas were people might shoot at them.
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2010.03.24 09:46:00 - [8] Originally by: VanNostrum I can afford eve therefore I'm a rocket scientist You are typing words, hence you are a typewriter. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Handsome Millionaire Playboys	Posted - 2010.03.24 10:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Haraldhardrade Originally by: VanNostrum I can afford eve therefore I'm a rocket scientist You are typing words, hence you are a typewriter. you are stating the obvious, hence you are a captain. to the op, you don't need to fly expensive ships. battlecruisers > hacs :)
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2010.03.24 10:22:00 - [10] I think you need to join a large Corp or Alliance that has a T1 ship supply and replacement policy. Train your skills up to battle-cruisers and fly them with T2 fittings - medium T2 fittings and rigs are pretty affordable or go for decent named ones. Many larger corps/alliances will happily give you ships to fly so long as you follow orders and arn't a dooshbag - it's a small cost to them to produce the ships. Also, if you're in a 0.0 alliance then nullsec ratting is somewhat sweet in the isk dept. If you tell me "I want to be solo" then that's the price you pay for being a lone wolf. That's life.

Armoured C Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2010.03.24 10:29:00 - [11] f=MA (force= mass X acceleration) there you go you are now a rocket scientist enjoy eve
TheBlueMonkey Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.24 10:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador battlecruisers > hacs :) this I'm a massive cb but I recently started flying drakes in roams, I bought a stack of them and so far I've lost none. anyone wanna buy a drake? -- Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.24 10:41:00 - [13] Hmm, I don't think the rocket science level 5 skill ever actually made me any isk.
Tasty Bit Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2010.03.24 10:43:00 - [14] Laters.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2010.03.24 10:47:00 - [15] If everyone could fly all t2 ships for free all pvp would become pointless and EVE would die.
Venetta Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.03.24 10:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Now, I may be missing something... Correct. /thread
meat vapour	Posted - 2010.03.24 10:57:00 - [17] ahhhh, the rocket scientist - the best paid of all the scientists!
Gauss Gun	Posted - 2010.03.24 11:00:00 - [18] im gonna report him as troll
Lexx Khadar Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.03.24 11:08:00 - [19] Edited by: Lexx Khadar on 24/03/2010 11:09:05 So your complaining about the difference of resources you a single player can field compared to a fleet? Maybe the fleet can afford shiny expensive things because they work together as a corp to afford it. If you get together with people and make isk together you can make far more than working alone. The fixes you suggest have the chance to either/and destroy the economy as well as stop many people from playing due to not being able to pay with isk. If you need hours and hours to grind isk then your doing it wrong. And I don't think planetary interactions going to make for a free meal either. We have already been told it'll need financial and new skillbooks investment just to get started in it. The markets working fine as it is. People try to scam you and some people try to manipulate it and corner it. But it does its job all the same. Maybe your just looking at the game wrong. You've made yourself think that your only useful when you bring the most expensive/shiniest ships and fittings to a fight by the sounds of it. Which time and again is wrong. unless you have a experienced fleet members with you and a good ship composition you'll just make yourself a target. One thing I do agree with is insurance needing changed. I think insurance should be dynamically based on ship prices across all empire regions. If the average price of the ship goes up so does the insurance and vice versa. Letting it fluctuate with the market. Maybe the same for modules if that doesn't create too much database strain. OR to limit that make it take the averages once a week just before a downtime. Ship loss means something in this game. As the old adage goes. Only fly what you can afford to lose.
Doddy The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.24 11:09:00 - [20] Originally by: Grunanca Cowards are poor in EVE, because they dont go out and take their chances in areas were people might shoot at them. Quoting for truth. Isk is far too easy to come by tbh.

Darth Skorpius Deep Stage THE-FEDERATION	Posted - 2010.03.24 11:12:00 - [21] Originally by: TheBlueMonkey anyone wanna buy a drake? my alt sitting in empire could use one for some missions if you are sellign them cheap and willing ot transport it to high sec. otherwise, just insurance fraud them while its still profitable to do so ____________________________________________ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG
Att Itude Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.03.24 11:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac .....much whine and cry from nub who can't think himself out of a corner deleted for brevity and sanity.......... Your stuff, I can haz?
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2010.03.24 11:30:00 - [23] If your eve ingame income is less than 250m an hour, simply work an hour or two of overtime at work and spend that extra cash on a gtc, done!
Zofe Stormcaller Gallente Shadow Company Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2010.03.24 11:30:00 - [24] Originally by: Armoured C f=MA (force= mass X acceleration) there you go you are now a rocket scientist enjoy eve A body in motion remains in motion unless acted upon by an opposing force, unless you turn turn off your engines in EvE...
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.03.24 11:32:00 - [25] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 24/03/2010 11:32:41 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 24/03/2010 11:32:17 HACs too expensive for you? Solution: (a) Find something which makes more ISK. OR (b) Do not fly HACs. Problem solved. Now, I want cheaper HACs because I like killing HACs, but eh, asking CCP to make changes to something just because you can't afford it is silly, particualrly when you consider how easy it is to make ISK. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Rashmika Clavain Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.24 11:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Then, make invention something that works. /pets billions Yeah... invention doesn't work does it? Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Now, can something be done? Not really, no. you need ot help yourself as opposed to asking for EVE to be made easier for you.
Selakk	Posted - 2010.03.24 11:35:00 - [27] Well I dont think EVE is too expensive for someone who has a job. I can understand it might be for students. Going to a bar in the evening having a couple of drinks sure is far more expensive. So I have my drinks at home, roaming the universe.....
Discrodia Gallente Green Peace Inc.	Posted - 2010.03.24 11:38:00 - [28] A few (fun) ways to make ISK in my experience: Sleepers Booster Smuggling Ransoming Merc Work ect ect ect Originally by: CCP Adida Wait where am I... Don't remember a thing from last night.
Baron Agamemnon Caldari Holy Grail Construction	Posted - 2010.03.24 12:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12 Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds. Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market. How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating ISK<-->GTC's and 30 day plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has. Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current structure. Now, can something be done? Since I am a rocket scientist (no joke) I guess I am not the one to comment. But, EVE is not an instant gratification game. You just need to intelligently manage your resources in game, and also get rid of the notion that grinding isk like any other MMO is how to best make you rich. This strategy is just not that relevant to EVE unless you for some reason want to be alone and like spending hours upon hours grinding. With minimum team effort you can make a lot more isk then you can alone. How about getting your fustrated friends to actually band togheter and work towards a common goal? EVE rewards the ones with some creativity and some boldness, and really punishes thoose who think the game will just provide for you just like that. And why fly HACs if you think it costs too much? Fly BCs. I am sorry, but all I see here is whining from a guy who is lazy --- "And thus, another of the world's dreamers died, taking his dreams with him. Just as John Lennon wanted world peace, Gerald Bull simply wanted a gun big enough to fire **** into space."
The Tzar T-Wrecks	Posted - 2010.03.24 12:53:00 - [30] Um rocket science isn't actually that complicated. I think this needs to be updated from a pre-war model to the 21st century; Try nanotechnologist or sub-quantum physicist. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels.StevieSG

Raynaar Amarr Intergalactic Mining And Trade Corp.	Posted - 2010.03.24 13:06:00 - [31] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12 Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds. Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market. How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating ISK<-->GTC's and 30 day plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has. Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current structure. Now, can something be done? Holy crap. 6 years I've been at this and I never thought I'd ever say this, but: Can I have ur stuff?? "Put the pick in there, Pete, and turn it 'round, real neat..."
JonnyWarhawk ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.24 13:15:00 - [32] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12 Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds. Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market. How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating ISK<-->GTC's and 30 day plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has. Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current structure. Now, can something be done? answer to this is dual logging :) on one account you semi afk mine and on second have fun - - -
Che Molex	Posted - 2010.03.24 13:25:00 - [33] Originally by: Wacktopia I think you need to join a large Corp or Alliance that has a T1 ship supply and replacement policy. Train your skills up to battle-cruisers and fly them with T2 fittings - medium T2 fittings and rigs are pretty affordable or go for decent named ones. Many larger corps/alliances will happily give you ships to fly so long as you follow orders and arn't a dooshbag - it's a small cost to them to produce the ships. Also, if you're in a 0.0 alliance then nullsec ratting is somewhat sweet in the isk dept. If you tell me "I want to be solo" then that's the price you pay for being a lone wolf. That's life. Excellent Point and that means this is a Multi-Player game, Unless you want to work hard as a loner before 'Fun' high risk behavior. Thanks for comparing me to a Scientist. Like Edison said of invention, 99% perspiration, 1% Inspiration ? EVE is something like that, Feels Good and FUN !
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.03.24 14:30:00 - [34] OP proves that a Sub-Orbital Ballistic Engineer does not a Rocket Scientist make --- Even though you might disagree with what I say, that doesn't automatically make me a troll.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.03.24 14:41:00 - [35] Originally by: Baron Agamemnon I am sorry, but all I see here is whining from a guy who is lazy This. And btw I'm to lazy and dumb to get my ISK by anything but grinding, yet I can easily afford HACs. Dual screens ftw. While I'm browsing or watching a flim or whoruming, I can also run missions with about 5% of my attention and rake in an easy 30 mill an hour or more.
Baron Agamemnon Caldari Holy Grail Construction	Posted - 2010.03.24 15:14:00 - [36] Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 24/03/2010 15:16:19 Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 24/03/2010 15:15:47 Originally by: The Tzar Um rocket science isn't actually that complicated. I think this needs to be updated from a pre-war model to the 21st century; Try nanotechnologist or sub-quantum physicist. Heh, I'd like to see the avarage Joe doing orbital calculations and making complex control systems for rockets and missiles. While the basic physics is the same, the applications humans use rocketry for is very much complex and needs a dedicated education to fully take advantage off. As do any such high tech filed. And nanotech or physics is the same, still need the "same" education. So being a proper "rocket scientist" is still as hard as ever really But, if you just bother to learn anything, nothing is really "hard". --- "And thus, another of the world's dreamers died, taking his dreams with him. Just as John Lennon wanted world peace, Gerald Bull simply wanted a gun big enough to fire **** into space."
Daemonspirit Redhawk Tribal Trust	Posted - 2010.03.24 16:07:00 - [37] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12 Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds. Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market. How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating ISK<-->GTC's and 30 day plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has. Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current structure. Now, can something be done? I was going to write a huge WoT on why this is a bad idea and why CCP allowing those who can afford it to buy GTC's is a huge advantage over RMT'ers (from outside the game), but the overwhelming sense of entitlement the OP displays, along with his/her need for instant gratification, makes any reply useless. He/she doesn't get it and its doubtful to me if he/she/it ever will... Before you go overboard about "how much time you have to play..." I too have a life, and kids (one in college, one married and about to make me a grandfather), a farm, horses... you know, a LIFE! I find nothing wrong with the current isk/risk/reward setup... Maybe if you and your friends had attention spans longer than an ADHD, hydro-encephalitic gerbil, hooked on Meth and having an epileptic seizure had gotten together... bah... tl;dr? HTFU! ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.24 16:41:00 - [38] T1 cruisers generally aren't very good by themselves stat-wise, there's some exceptions (certain Rupture fits) but IMO... if you want a cost-effective PvP ship, buy yourself a BC. Harby, Hurri, Drake and Myrm are all amazing ships, and you'll have way more success with them than you will with most cruisers. - Malyutka (The Virus) -
S'qarpium D'igil	Posted - 2010.03.24 17:05:00 - [39] My Rocket Science is only level IV, can I still play EVE?
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.03.24 17:11:00 - [40] If you haven't figured out how to trivialize moneymaking in Eve, the problem is you. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp

Stray Bullets	Posted - 2010.03.24 17:42:00 - [41] I failed my rocket science class.... does this mean I should move to a disneyland-type-mmo?
Julius Rigel	Posted - 2010.03.24 18:10:00 - [42] Seems like someone is upset ~~because he can't do what everyone else in eve has no problem doing~~ because a lot of eve players are aeronautical engineers?
IVeige Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.03.24 18:22:00 - [43] mmm Is there anyone here that is NOT a rocket scientist yet
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.03.24 18:22:00 - [44] ive never been called a rocket scientist before lol x
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.24 18:25:00 - [45] Sounds like the op wants passive income. Well ccp in its good grace have even provided that isk faucet in the form of research agents. Google up some guides and enjoy your passive income that will easily buy you a bunch of fitted t1 ships to use every month and so reduce your grind to just getting the really nice stuff instead of having to grind for it all. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2010.03.24 22:24:00 - [46] I can understand the OP in his frustration. All those ppl who are talking about easily making heaps of ISK per hour are not doing it by deep strategic planning. In most cases it's either legalized RMT or grinding rats for hours. Those that really make a lot of ISK are ppl who are allowed by their corps to farm high end plexes and exclusively get the loot, or old veteran lucky lottery winners. May be there are some traders and inventors who make a good profit, but in order to originally get in trading or investing in a good position, you'd need to invest tons of ISK, otherwise, you'd be trading for peanuts or inventing crappy modules that will give you pathetic profit.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.03.24 22:46:00 - [47] Originally by: Estephania May be there are some traders and inventors who make a good profit, but in order to originally get in trading or investing in a good position, you'd need to invest tons of ISK, otherwise, you'd be trading for peanuts or inventing crappy modules that will give you pathetic profit. I have never employed RMT of any kind, and it takes me no more than a few hours per month of play time to make enough money to keep myself in ISK. I have been a solo player for almost my entire Eve career, with the exception of a few small corps comprised of RL friends (who didn't stick around long). Anyway, you're basically 100% wrong, as is the OP. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
David Grogan Gallente Final Conflict UK Warped Aggression	Posted - 2010.03.24 23:04:00 - [48] its easy make isk in the game either 1. grind l4 missions 2. rat in 0.0 3. mine ores in 0.0 4. scam in jita 5. pirate in low sec 6. work your way up to IT (bob) alliance's or solodrakbansolodrakbansolodrakban's (goons) hc and then move all the assets into your hangar before u disband the alliance. SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Cambarus The Compass Reloaded	Posted - 2010.03.24 23:19:00 - [49] Originally by: Estephania I can understand the OP in his frustration. All those ppl who are talking about easily making heaps of ISK per hour are not doing it by deep strategic planning. In most cases it's either legalized RMT or grinding rats for hours. Those that really make a lot of ISK are ppl who are allowed by their corps to farm high end plexes and exclusively get the loot, or old veteran lucky lottery winners. May be there are some traders and inventors who make a good profit, but in order to originally get in trading or investing in a good position, you'd need to invest tons of ISK, otherwise, you'd be trading for peanuts or inventing crappy modules that will give you pathetic profit. The best way to make isk in this game (and in most games for that matter) is off of other players. Grinding isk is nowhere near as profitable and flipping GTCs is just too expensive to be viable to most people. Friend of mine got stabbed in the back a few months back by a certain corp, and he asked for my help in getting some revenge. I agreed, made an alt, and in less than 24 hours had stolen about 2billion isk from the corp. It wasn't difficult, it wasn't time consuming, it just required a few choice words and some planning. I have other, more honest ways of making isk, but tbh more often than not I just spend a day or 2 mission running every now and then (nice way to relax after too much pvp). If you're good enough at it, even missions give you more than enough money to be able to afford pvp. TBH the only problem here is people like the OP, who want to do things that require isk, but don't actually like making isk themselves (not to mention the fact that the GTC trade is a way around this, but they're also too cheap to buy plexs). It's not the game's fault you CBA to make isk, nor is it the players'. It's yours. The prices of ships are based on a more or less average of what people are willing to pay for them. Most people who can fly HACs well enough to make them good in pvp have been playing long enough to know how to get the isk needed to buy them when they go boom, and just because the OP is one of the minority who can't is no reason to go bashing the game as a whole. Hell, if you're good enough at pvp and you've got enough friends you can usually find people willing to GIVE you ships in exchange for your pvp knowledge/protection against other pvpers (remember that just as there are people with pvp experience and no isk, there are people with lots of isk and no pvp experience, and just as how you want to pvp without carebearing, there are those who want to carebear without pvping). My 3 man corp's been given HACs, recons, blackops and even a carrier in exchange for our firepower, so I'm sure that you could manage to find someone willing to fund your pvp if you market yourself properly.
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2010.03.25 00:13:00 - [50] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Now, can something be done? Yes indeed, there's something you can actually do about it. You can HTFU and L2P. Otherwise, can I have your stuff?

Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.03.25 00:36:00 - [51] Originally by: Haraldhardrade Originally by: VanNostrum I can afford eve therefore I'm a rocket scientist You are typing words, hence you are a typewriter. Quoting the guy quoting the rocket scientist, that must make me the rocket scientists assistants assistant. And I can afford to play eve so that makes me the rocket scientists assistants assistant who is also a rocket scientist himself.
Foraven Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.25 00:37:00 - [52] I quite understand what the OP is frustrated about. When i started playing it was quite hard to get a few millions isks, and really easy to spend it all in matter of minutes. It's a lot of grinding on your own before you can fly level 3 missions or buy a good mining ship. A lot of players i know who started around my time (mean a few months ago) bought plexs because they became tired of all that grinding for little rewards. Now i'm part of a corp that does a lot of ops and share the rewards. I still could not make that much isks on my own though, i still depend on corp mates for most of my earnings.
Fortune Foru	Posted - 2010.03.25 00:57:00 - [53] BC PVP is great fun. Train logistics and any decent corp will likely hand you the ship for PVP. In the meantime train Research alts, setup a few buy orders here and there and see what happens. Failing that, kick the tires somewhere else and come back when you realize this is the only game in town that matters.
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2010.03.25 00:58:00 - [54] Originally by: Foraven I quite understand what the OP is frustrated about. When i started playing it was quite hard to get a few millions isks, and really easy to spend it all in matter of minutes. It's a lot of grinding on your own before you can fly level 3 missions or buy a good mining ship. A lot of players i know who started around my time (mean a few months ago) bought plexs because they became tired of all that grinding for little rewards. Now i'm part of a corp that does a lot of ops and share the rewards. I still could not make that much isks on my own though, i still depend on corp mates for most of my earnings. You can't do what everyone else does (where everyone else does) and expect to get a decent profit out of it. Specially in your starting months you'll be more likely than not going to have to spend quite some time getting bad isk/hr while you start learning the ropes and getting the knowledge required to profit in EVE. After that it will be up to you and your initiative to decide whether you'll be making 5mil/hr or 50+mil/hr as a newbie-ish player. Problem is a lot of players don't have any initiative whatsoever and expect isk to rain from the sky or simply go into their cargohold via mining lazorz just because they "spent time working" on it, but it doesn't work like that at all. You first need to get rid of the salary-man mentality before thinking about having enough isk to "play" the game. This is of course not counting people for whom making isk and depleting asteroid belts is the actual game (and have lots of fun doing it). It's a sandbox after all and you gotta do whatever brings you the most fun/hr even if it isn't very isk/hr friendly. So my advice is to do your research and try your hand at different ways of making isk until you either find a way to make isk and have fun at the same time or you find the fastest way to "work" and make good isk to support your favorite activities. But either way you are the one who is going to be making the isk, and no one else. Because if other guys know how to make the good iskies they are going to save the knowledge for themselves and not share it with you (for obvious reasons.) PS: So yeah, I'm going to have to sig the "HTFU and L2P" thing because I'm typing it too often nowadays.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.03.25 01:04:00 - [55] Originally by: Foraven I quite understand what the OP is frustrated about. When i started playing it was quite hard to get a few millions isks, and really easy to spend it all in matter of minutes. It's a lot of grinding on your own before you can fly level 3 missions or buy a good mining ship... Excuse me, but thats bull****. If he can properly fit and fly HACS (Skillwise) then he can at least run lvl3s, probably lvl4s.
Mistah Ewedynao Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.25 06:14:00 - [56] Quote: If he can properly fit and fly HACS (Skillwise) then he can at least run lvl3s, probably lvl4s. No freakin wonder you you guys are poor. I can beat Lvl3s easy in an AF, and many in a faction frig. A HAC for a lvl3???? Keep ignoring that training advice you can find all over these forums..... .............HAC's for lvl3's Quote: Then, make invention something that works. That is the most sensible thing you said.... but in this case don't bother to train the needed skills to max, it's still roulette. STOOPID CCP!
Jernau Gurgeh Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.03.25 08:26:00 - [57] When I was young I always wanted to be a rocket scientist when I grew up. My Mum's gonna be so proud of me now that I've made it. ___________________________________________________________________________________ There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.03.25 08:47:00 - [58] Edited by: Zartrader on 25/03/2010 08:50:34 Op there is numerous ways to make ISK, many effectively passive and requiring little time. But I'm sure you know that as it's all over these forums and countless guides. So Its obvious you're really a sacked but grossly misunderstood Rocket Scientist who hates you're former employers and wants to get back at them. This requires a cunning ploy to ignore 99% of EVE to mislead them into thinking you have finally lost your marbles and in a stroke of genius you will reveal your true self, save the world, manage to make some ISK outside missions and show them how wrong they were to treat you so badly. Or something like that, the plot needs work. I'd throw in an unrequited love interest to spice it up and keep the plot generic. Maybe involving a bunny burner exotic dancer or two.
Doctor Rothschilde	Posted - 2010.03.25 11:14:00 - [59] I am only a nuclear scientist. Guess I'd better quit playing now because EVE is obviously beyond my means
Travelin Matt	Posted - 2010.03.25 11:26:00 - [60] WOW is still active.....should check it out

Kate Machine	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:23:00 - [61] Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador to the op, you don't need to fly expensive ships. battlecruisers > hacs :) tellin' teh truth!
Jack Airron Gallente Setenta Corp F A I L	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:35:00 - [62] I R DA AFFORDING TO PLAYZ EVE DEAR FORS I RS DA ROKOT SURGEN!!!!!!!
LoudMouth InLocal	Posted - 2010.03.25 22:04:00 - [63] Can I have your stu.... Oh, wait...
Thargorr Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.03.25 22:20:00 - [64] I'd say understanding the psychology behind MMO design is the best way to understand why it's rigged like this. Basically it's designed to be addictive, not fun, and the reason you're being flamed is because you pointed out to a bunch of junkies that their drug of choice is not actually all that fun, just you know...addictive. This is a great "Dummies Guide" to what I'm talking about.
Nuadara	Posted - 2010.03.25 23:09:00 - [65] Originally by: Thargorr the reason you're being flamed is because you pointed out to a bunch of junkies that their drug of choice is not actually all that fun, just you know...addictive. lemme guess, you can quit at any time?
Thargorr Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:31:00 - [66] Originally by: Nuadara Originally by: Thargorr the reason you're being flamed is because you pointed out to a bunch of junkies that their drug of choice is not actually all that fun, just you know...addictive. lemme guess, you can quit at any time? Everything but the forums! I started my first character (not on this account) in '05. I log in every month or two to change skills. Haven't had all three of my accounts active at once since '08 and there was a 3-4 month gap in 2009 when none of my accounts are active. I check back in the forums from time to time though. Mostly cause I miss Akita. I dunno how that man keeps interest for so long!
Jack Airron Gallente Setenta Corp F A I L	Posted - 2010.03.26 02:28:00 - [67] Originally by: Thargorr Originally by: Nuadara Originally by: Thargorr the reason you're being flamed is because you pointed out to a bunch of junkies that their drug of choice is not actually all that fun, just you know...addictive. lemme guess, you can quit at any time? Everything but the forums! I started my first character (not on this account) in '05. I log in every month or two to change skills. Haven't had all three of my accounts active at once since '08 and there was a 3-4 month gap in 2009 when none of my accounts are active. I check back in the forums from time to time though. Mostly cause I miss Akita. I dunno how that man keeps interest for so long! Hes a she.
yourdoingitwrong	Posted - 2010.03.26 02:40:00 - [68] ah so, Shiii dis thread rearry bad awwwww
Rashmika Clavain Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.26 17:08:00 - [69] kek?
Sig Sour	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:00:00 - [70] I have built a few rockets. 1. paper hull, butane proppelant. 2. gasoline and a liter bottle. 3. nearly empty bottle of booze. 4. when I was young I loved Estes model rockets. I do not consider myself a scientist, however the experiences of putting a flame to fuel was in fact training for making isk in Eve. So the OP is correct. If I had not had the experiences with rockets that I have had, I may be forced to sell PLEX instead of buying them.

New face1578	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:19:00 - [71] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12 Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds. Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market. How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating ISK<-->GTC's and 30 day plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has. Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current structure. Now, can something be done? I actually find running lvl 5's and wormholes with friends to make isk alot more fun than the majority of eves pvp. You dont like grinding? Make a trade alt, get good at it, pvp on the profit. Or buy an etc and sell it. Or one of the other ways that don't need the grind. If a hobby is not fun for you then don't, you know, do it. So in short, UR DOIN IT RONG!
Delenne Sheridan	Posted - 2010.03.26 20:26:00 - [72] Originally by: Grunanca Edited by: Grunanca on 24/03/2010 09:40:33 Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 09:24:28 Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds. Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market. How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating GTC's and 30 plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has. Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current struture. Now, can something be done? Yeah I hate spending 2-3 hours per month moving stuff between my POS towersWill definately have to stop doing it and buy 10 plexes per month instead! Dude, its incredible easy to make a fortune in EVE, the only thing keeping you from it is your fear of losing stuff. Cowards are poor in EVE, because they dont go out and take their chances in areas were people might shoot at them. Then why dont you share how to do that will us all...
Borun Tal Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.26 20:58:00 - [73] Originally by: New face1578 If a hobby is not fun for you then don't, you know, do it. This.
King Gore Gore Squad	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:13:00 - [74] I have 17m, how can i help? - "He feeds exclusively off dead bodies. The Destroyer. The Flesh-Eater. When the murderer hides his victims, he likes to keep in physical contact with them. Conserving them. He is a psychopath.
Shal'tin Tactical Logistic's Corp Tacom Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:59:00 - [75] I guess having a degree in Marine Engineering from one of the best maritime academy's along with a commission in the military and with a possible post at NASA precludes me from playing EVE then -sighs- Pitty I did well in this game. O.. WTF CCP! 17k and its a water world??!?!?! Ummm no....
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.03.27 16:33:00 - [76] The OP makes valid points. Losing anything but a t1 frigate is going to require at least a couple of hours grinding to replace it and the mods lost assuming one is able to grind out 50mil/hour missioning. A myrm for instance: 28mil - hull, 3mil - drones, 4/5 mil - guns, +/- 20/30mil in other mods, plus 100mil in implants (conservative) when you get podded. Anything less than a year's training time and you're not going to make 50/mil/hr grinding missions. Actual grind times for those players who didn't plan on committing a year of focused training are going to be substantially longer. The rest of you can choose to ignore this as a problem. But it is a problem. Granted I don't know what CCP could do. It's structure is so that the game remains relevant to even long term players. But for the new guys there really isn't much to do in Eve except grind. They're going to go out in their t1 frigates to an assured death. Everyone that tells them to fly t1 frigates knows this. They are the fodder in the fleet. They serve their purpose and then they're done. If they're lucky, they don't get podded. Perhaps there isn't a solution. But that doesn't mean there isn't a problem.
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.03.27 16:44:00 - [77] Edited by: Zartrader on 27/03/2010 16:55:11 Originally by: Mr Kidd The OP makes valid points. Losing anything but a t1 frigate is going to require at least a couple of hours grinding to replace it and the mods lost assuming one is able to grind out 50mil/hour missioning. A myrm for instance: 28mil - hull, 3mil - drones, 4/5 mil - guns, +/- 20/30mil in other mods, plus 100mil in implants (conservative) when you get podded. Anything less than a year's training time and you're not going to make 50/mil/hr grinding missions. Actual grind times for those players who didn't plan on committing a year of focused training are going to be substantially longer. The rest of you can choose to ignore this as a problem. But it is a problem. Granted I don't know what CCP could do. It's structure is so that the game remains relevant to even long term players. But for the new guys there really isn't much to do in Eve except grind. They're going to go out in their t1 frigates to an assured death. Everyone that tells them to fly t1 frigates knows this. They are the fodder in the fleet. They serve their purpose and then they're done. If they're lucky, they don't get podded. Perhaps there isn't a solution. But that doesn't mean there isn't a problem. There is no problem. Can't you see where your making wrong assumptions all the time?: 1. Why are you just grinding? You not read the numerous ways to make ISK? If you still choose to grind that's your fault. Many of us have several income streams. It's not hard. There are posts all over the place telling you how to do it, it really is very easy with very little training. 2. Why are you losing T2 ships? Flying them before you're are competent to do so deserves losses. Fly T1 until you are ready and as a hint it takes a lot more than SP's to be good at it. 3. Why are you being podded? That's easy to avoid. you should only be podded in a bubble or with extreme lag. If you do not know that why are you risking implants? You know how PVP players manage their implants to reduce substantial cost in case of the rare pod? If not, why don't you know? In fact long term players have a big disadvantage here in medical and clone costs. Did you not read the post about that? 4. Long term players. What do they have to do with how you play the game? This is the most accessible game I have ever played. If you assume you can't do something that's not the games fault. Where did you get the years training from? You can be earning easy ISK in this game in a matter of weeks. I wish people would stop blaming the game when they have clearly not bothered to learn it past running missions. If you can't see the game past you're nose then you are not playing the game properly at all. Its like me playing a game, not bothering to read the rules and then blaming everyone else when I lose. Learn the game before you complain about it.
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.03.27 20:40:00 - [78] Originally by: Zartrader Edited by: Zartrader on 27/03/2010 17:05:00 There is no problem. Can't you see where your making wrong assumptions all the time?: 1. Why are you just grinding? You not read the numerous ways to make ISK? If you still choose to grind that's your fault. Many of us have several income streams. It's not hard. There are posts all over the place telling you how to do it, it really is very easy with very little training. 2. Why are you losing T2 ships? Flying them before you're are competent to do so deserves losses. Fly T1 until you are ready and as a hint it takes a lot more than SP's to be good at it. 3. Why are you being podded? That's easy to avoid. you should only be podded in a bubble or with extreme lag. If you do not know that why are you risking implants? You know how PVP players manage their implants to reduce substantial cost in case of the rare pod? If not, why don't you know? In fact long term players have a big disadvantage here in medical and clone costs. Did you not read the post about that? 4. Long term players. What do they have to do with how you play the game? With your attitude you'd still have problems in 5 years, although then you'd blame those playing for 10. This is the most accessible game I have ever played. If you assume you can't do something that's not the games fault. Where did you get the years training from? You can be earning easy ISK in this game in a matter of weeks. I wish people would stop blaming the game when they have clearly not bothered to learn it past running missions. If you can't see the game past you're nose then you are not playing the game properly at all. Its like me playing a game, not bothering to read the rules and then blaming everyone else when I lose. Learn the game before you complain about it. Miss, you are no rocket scientist. You're just another one of those rats pressing buttons. That was a good post btw...pretty much true and how eve is designed.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.27 21:04:00 - [79] hateful troll is hateful. 0/10. "you should eliminate your income because it makes it hard for me to play the game". Go bob for apples in a public toilet. This is clearly a signature.
Vernn Miller Volition Cult	Posted - 2010.03.29 10:41:00 - [80] Join a null sec alliance. Farm anomalies. Loot and salvage. Reprocess and build rigs / ammo / T1 mods and put them on sell orders. Use the ISK from bounties to buy and sell stuffz in yer region. PROFIT Watch yer wallet grow and after say 2-3 months ya can lay back living off yer trades. That is how I do it now and I do quite OK for such a young pilot as myself . ALSO no pain no gain so stop ***ing . Quote:** null

Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.03.29 11:25:00 - [81] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 29/03/2010 11:26:50 Originally by: Mr Kidd The OP makes valid points. Losing anything but a t1 frigate is going to require at least a couple of hours grinding to replace it and the mods lost assuming one is able to grind out 50mil/hour missioning. A myrm for instance: 28mil - hull, 3mil - drones, 4/5 mil - guns, +/- 20/30mil in other mods, plus 100mil in implants (conservative) when you get podded. Learn to insure. The loss of a Myrmidon hull is practically free. The loss cost of a fitted Myrmidon should typically not exceed ~35 million, and you can fit it properly (read: with T2 everything that counts) for less. Implants should not be lost out of 0.0 with any regularity and you can use jumpclones or implantless clones anyway (I did for a first year or so). It's fairly easy to make 35M in a BC, anyway. One HAC ransom and you can afford to lose two Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.04.05 13:39:00 - [82] Originally by: Zartrader Edited by: Zartrader on 27/03/2010 17:05:00 There is no problem. Can't you see where your making wrong assumptions all the time?: 1. Why are you just grinding? You not read the numerous ways to make ISK? If you still choose to grind that's your fault. Many of us have several income streams. It's not hard. There are posts all over the place telling you how to do it, it really is very easy with very little training. 2. Why are you losing T2 ships? Flying them before you're are competent to do so deserves losses. Fly T1 until you are ready and as a hint it takes a lot more than SP's to be good at it. 3. Why are you being podded? That's easy to avoid. you should only be podded in a bubble or with extreme lag. If you do not know that why are you risking implants? You know how PVP players manage their implants to reduce substantial cost in case of the rare pod? If not, why don't you know? In fact long term players have a big disadvantage here in medical and clone costs. Did you not read the post about that? 4. Long term players. What do they have to do with how you play the game? With your attitude you'd still have problems in 5 years, although then you'd blame those playing for 10. This is the most accessible game I have ever played. If you assume you can't do something that's not the games fault. Where did you get the years training from? You can be earning easy ISK in this game in a matter of weeks. I wish people would stop blaming the game when they have clearly not bothered to learn it past running missions. If you can't see the game past you're nose then you are not playing the game properly at all. Its like me playing a game, not bothering to read the rules and then blaming everyone else when I lose. Learn the game before you complain about it. Point #1: All the numerous ways of making isk in eve are grinds. You've got mining, trading, crafting, missioning, pvp. Oh and ninjaing. Don't tell me that mining, trading, crafting and missioning are not grinds. PVP....most PVPers I've ever met were broke doing it until they went back to hi-sec to grind the other means of income. Anyone that's told me they make their fortune solely pvp, I don't believe it. If you're able to make PVP profitable more power to you. Point #2: Who said anything about T2 ships? Point #3: Now, I can't say for sure, but when I warp to a safe spot to try not to be podded, I'm already podded. Not once have I ever not been lagged to hell and back by my ship being popped. And never have I been able to warp out before someone insta-locks my pod and kills it. Thats having safe spots in that system open in a separate window for quickly warping to them or hammering the warp button to a celestial even before my ship pops. It may work well for you. But in my experience, you lose your ship, you will be podded. Point #4: Could it be that you are so intent on proving your point that you failed to actually read what I had to say? I only indicated that the game REMAINS RELEVANT, EVEN FOR LONG TERM PLAYERS. How the fu*k do you get out of that I'm blaming anyone for anything?
Dirk Culliford H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.05 16:47:00 - [83] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. So by your argument, everybody except you is a rocket scientist?
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2010.04.05 19:57:00 - [84] Edited by: Jovialmadness on 05/04/2010 20:00:34 Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12 Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds. Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market. How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating ISK<-->GTC's and 30 day plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has. Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current structure. Now, can something be done? absolutely something can be done. You can go play wow. Everything you just mentioned is wow. Eve, I'm fairly sure, is not wow. Therfore wow is your piece of cake. Eve=hard mode. Wow=rainbow pony online mode. Anymore advice and I will have to begin charging a fee. Thanks! Edit: but you will need to change your name. Psychotic Maniac won't look good in a game like wow where the difficulty setting is set inline with rainbow pony's.
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.04.05 22:16:00 - [85] Originally by: Vernn Miller Edited by: Vernn Miller on 29/03/2010 10:51:20 Join a null sec alliance. Farm anomalies. Loot and salvage. Reprocess and build rigs / ammo / T1 mods and put them on sell orders. Use the ISK from bounties to buy and sell stuffz. PROFIT Watch yer wallet grow and after say 2-3 months ya can lay back living off yer trades. That is how I do it now and I do quite OK for such a young pilot as myself . ALSO no pain no gain so stop ***ing . edit: seems CCP doesnt like the word ***... everything you mentioned takes hrs. upon hrs. as described in the op.
Shawna Gray Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.05 23:26:00 - [86] 1. Train rocket science to 4 or 5 2. Start research 3. Profit?
beardevil	Posted - 2010.04.06 01:27:00 - [87] IIRC there's a great quote somewhere from someone in NASA saying there's no such thing as a rocket scientist: There are scientists and there are rocket engineers. Does that mean non of us can afford eve? uh-oh. CCP are screwed.
MartinJinSin	Posted - 2010.04.06 05:27:00 - [88] I dunno what your doing wrong but I personally make enough isk to buy all the ships and mods I want/need and pay for my sub. Therefore must reexamine how your playing because you are clearing doing something wrong.
Athalwolf More-Cowbell Cult of War	Posted - 2010.04.06 08:18:00 - [89] Stop flying out to 0.0 loosing Ibises, that will surely save you a ton of ISK. Confirming OP is an obvious troll. ------ www.manlovepvp.com
Polaris Lumine Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.04.06 09:55:00 - [90] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12 Now, I may be missing something. /thread



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