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Genya Arikaido	Posted - 2010.03.26 20:50:00 - [31] Internet Spaceships is SRS BIZNS!!! Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
AdmiralJohn The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.26 20:54:00 - [32] Originally by: Genya Arikaido Internet Spaceships is SRS BIZNS!!! THIS IS A BIG ****ING DEAL!
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:08:00 - [33] I just tell them to go back to XXX. Although SSSSSS's game is already in Beta and it's looking good so far (along some other good candidates.) So gb2XXX might already be too 2009. PS: Also, there's a difference between taking the game seriously and playing the game seriously.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:21:00 - [34] I really depends what "its just a game" is being used in reference too. If someone war decs your corp for kicks or they ninja loot your stuff. they are right its just a game dont whine. On the other hand if someone joins your corp spends 2 months treating you like a friend and then steals from you because it was all a setup - "its game" doesnt cover the situation. The person is morally bankrupt. Wherever you went - Here you are.
genette devo Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:35:00 - [35] if you don't care if you win a game, you should find another games. people saying "it's just a game" are usually losers trying save a little face.
Something Random Gallente The Barrow Boys	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:52:00 - [36] As much as this game offers you a myriad ways to play the game, it also offers you ways out of being part of someone else's game. It may seem cowardly or just be a bitter pill to swallow to lose what you've invested in and created... there is always a door that leads to a fresh start. Thus its just a game. Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Simeon Tor	Posted - 2010.03.26 22:06:00 - [37] Originally by: Ghoest The person is morally bankrupt. I don't think you can say morally bankrupt, you're right about everything else though. If someone spends two months befriending you and they end up stabbing you in the back then they clearly deserve all the war decs and misery you can throw at them, but saying they're morally bankrupt doesn't work because it is still a game. A game where you can be as mean as you want. Scams, trechery and other misdeeds are part and parcel of EVE, and thank gawd because all other MMO's are missing this vital piece of MMO architecture.
Lexx Khadar Minmatar Tourian Guard	Posted - 2010.03.26 22:17:00 - [38] Originally by: Lord Zekk While I see the OP's point of view, I beleive the "It's a game" argument holds true. Even though sometimes all of us get rapped up in our characters and their failure and successes may seem very personal, in the end it is a game. This is why I can talk to make friends with people who have destroyed countless numbers of my ships or be cool with someone stealing capital ships. It's all pixels. This pretty much sums up my thoughts on this matter.
Xiao LoPan	Posted - 2010.03.26 22:24:00 - [39] I think people make a mistake in thinking that a game isn't something you take seriously. every game or sport i play I take seriously, I want to win, If i don't win I want to figure out why and improve. because I want to win doesn't mean I get all bent out of shape at people who beat me or hold a grudge, that's part of it being a game, but I don't laugh off a loss either, If you care so little about your performance in any aspect of anything you probably shouldn't be wasting time on it in the first place weather that is EvE, kickboxing, ping pong, or bridge.
Simeon Tor	Posted - 2010.03.26 22:32:00 - [40] Originally by: Xiao LoPan I think people make a mistake in thinking that a game isn't something you take seriously. every game or sport i play I take seriously, I want to win, If i don't win I want to figure out why and improve. because I want to win doesn't mean I get all bent out of shape at people who beat me or hold a grudge, that's part of it being a game, but I don't laugh off a loss either, If you care so little about your performance in any aspect of anything you probably shouldn't be wasting time on it in the first place weather that is EvE, kickboxing, ping pong, or bridge. I think you're mixing up caring about performance in a game with caring too much about what you get from that game. Everyone can clearly see some people are in this game to win it.. however you do that, but a lot of those wouldn't throw a tantrum because their alliance got destroyed or they lost their Titan to a Condor. I spent weeks earning enough ISK to buy a battleships when I started playing, then I lost it trying to foolishly see off some ore thieves in high sec, but I didn't cry when I lost it, I just soldiered on and got back to earning ISK.

Ori Blake	Posted - 2010.03.26 22:36:00 - [41] Even in a game though, some acts you can't really accept. Betraying trust hurts even over internet spaceships, because it shows that the scammer values them and the iskies over other people, and you in particular. It's not as easy to untangle yourself from your avatar as you think. But with EVE, it's pointless in my opinion to invest enough of yourself into it where "it's just a game" becomes an issue. Combat is just too imbalanced and often over before even fought to really emotionally identify enough to get mad. You do so when you think it's "cheap" but that means fair play should exist. In EVE there isn't any, so no point in complaining or getting worked up over it. Usually it becomes not just a game when you put a lot of yourself into it, and that emotional investment gets stepped on or taken away.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.03.26 22:37:00 - [42] It depends in what context you are making that statement. Your corp-mate steals 1 billion isk from you...no, it's not just a game, it's WAR!!! You locate your corpmate's rl house, go over and kill his dog. Well, yes...it's just a game and you need professional help. ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader!
El Kaposo Amarr Simtech Industrial Inc.	Posted - 2010.03.27 05:00:00 - [43] Originally by: Joe Skellington Life is a game.
V'nessa Kreona	Posted - 2010.03.27 08:03:00 - [44] There is a game in eve?
Juffo Wup	Posted - 2010.03.27 08:04:00 - [45] Edited by: Juffo Wup on 27/03/2010 08:05:37 It is not "just a game." It is something we have invested money, time, planning, etc into. Some people take their games, free time, entertainment quite seriously. The "its a game" excuse implies that one could simply get up and walk away from it, but after these investments, its part of you. The "just a game" would more aptly apply to something in which the outcome mattered little to you - minesweeper, farkle, your second cousin's nephew's team. You're happy when you do good, but if it goes bad you can simply try again. If you had a character in this game you had played from its origin and someone hacked your account and deleted it (for example), tell me its "just a game."
ChrisIsherwood	Posted - 2010.03.27 10:26:00 - [46] Originally by: Juffo Wup The "its a game" excuse implies that one could simply get up and walk away from it, but after these investments, its part of you. 350k users with avg 7 months implies that, on average, one person leaves every minute. I.e., not only do they think it is just a game, but it is not one worth $0.02/hour ($15/mo) Others passionately feel differently. Originally by: Simeon Tor I don't think you can say morally bankrupt, you're right about everything else though. It's only a game. But there is the argument that what people do when no ones looking, e.g. anonymously, says far more about their character and morals than how they behave in front of their boss, spouse, mother or preacher. If you were going to the Amazon for two years and leaving someone behind with complete power of attorney over your money, are you saying you would feel zero unease if you knew they were an extremely successful scammer and con artist in game.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.03.27 13:56:00 - [47] Edited by: Ghoest on 27/03/2010 13:57:41 Originally by: Simeon Tor Originally by: Ghoest The person is morally bankrupt. I don't think you can say morally bankrupt, you're right about everything else though. If someone spends two months befriending you and they end up stabbing you in the back then they clearly deserve all the war decs and misery you can throw at them, but saying they're morally bankrupt doesn't work because it is still a game. A game where you can be as mean as you want. Scams, trechery and other misdeeds are part and parcel of EVE, and thank gawd because all other MMO's are missing this vital piece of MMO architecture. No. If you form a personal relationship thats you - not an avatar. It doesnt matter if you do it in the game, in bar, through email, in a softball league, or at church. Noe im not saying your a moral pit if you lose your temper and turn on someone who was your friend. But if you spend all that time making a personal relationship and its all fake, then youre a bad person. I suppose you could make some complicated case where you are "spy" working againt someone else is already "bad." or an enemy organization. But the normal make a long term friend just to rip someone off routine is exactly as bad as it sounds. Anyone who would do that in game would do it in real life - if their was no consequences. Wherever you went - Here you are.
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2010.03.27 14:17:00 - [48] Market warfare = stock games Manufacturing/Science slot warfare = waiting games Chasing targets through low-sec/0.0/empire = cat'n'mouse games Smack = mind games Politics = word games Building trust in a corp you want to steal from = social hopscotch (a game) Being a low-sec policeman = cops'n'robbers (a game) Cloaking up in someone's 0.0 system = hide'n'seek (a game) Ninjaing someone's loot in an empire mission = tag (a game) Salvaging someone's wrecks in an empire mission = Green light / Red light (a game) Ayup, looks like a game to me. :) ---
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Punic Corp.	Posted - 2010.03.27 14:39:00 - [49] Originally by: ChrisIsherwood If you were going to the Amazon for two years and leaving someone behind with complete power of attorney over your money, are you saying you would feel zero unease if you knew they were an extremely successful scammer and con artist in game. I would feel no more unease than I would if it were any other person, all other things being equal. Just like I don't have any speacial fear that someone who plays <insert your favorite FPS game here> really well is going to suddenly pull out a gun and shoot me. The difference between Eve and real life is not that one is anonymous and the other is not. It's that one is fictional and the other is real. Now, if it was a person who was known to cheat and use exploits in a game, then yes, I wouldn't trust them. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2010.03.27 15:03:00 - [50] video games have grown out of their role as childrens' pacifiers long ago. this, however, is a hobby. i get just as competative as any football~, rugby~ or whateverteamsport-hobbyist. just without the constant butt spanking among team mates. well....... anyways - if i wanted to not be serious about something, i'd be a standup comedian and/or date three women simultaneously. nono.... two have to suffice. - putting the gist back into logistics

Nyveg Hyperborea Re	Posted - 2010.03.27 19:20:00 - [51] Originally by: Demolishar If the people using "it's just a game" as an excuse actually believed that, they wouldn't have anything to use it as an excuse for. This one owns Keep posting
Simeon Tor	Posted - 2010.03.27 19:57:00 - [52] Originally by: ChrisIsherwood If you were going to the Amazon for two years and leaving someone behind with complete power of attorney over your money, are you saying you would feel zero unease if you knew they were an extremely successful scammer and con artist in game. Well that's just asking for trouble, why would I give control of my account to someone while I go to the Amazon? I'd be more worried about the Amazon itself to be honest. Now if you're asking me whether I'd feel peeved if someone took some money I gave them as an investment and instead used it to pad out their wallet, then I'd feel a little ticked off.. but it is still just a game. There are more important things to put your worrying into than EVE, like getting run over by a bus or having your house burn down around you.
ghosttr Amarr Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.03.27 20:12:00 - [53] So what do we start saying now 'its just a job' Support chat filters in eve
Alva Noto the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.03.27 22:43:00 - [54] it is a game, isnt it?
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.27 23:09:00 - [55] it's a game, you play it for entertainment it's not a job. - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Rosenoern	Posted - 2010.03.28 00:28:00 - [56] It's a game... But yeah i get a tiny tad psed when people fk up my s*t.
Ralara Caldari Vivicide Vivisection.	Posted - 2010.03.28 01:55:00 - [57] Originally by: Josh Morgan Edited by: Josh Morgan on 25/03/2010 02:21:32 Am I the only on the finds the 'It's a game' excuse to be an ironic? Because if you actually try to get good and play a game arent you taking it seriously? I am talking purely philosophical. Any one care to discuss this? EDIT: Totally posted this in the wrong section, thought I hit General. I don't think irony means what you think it means. --
ZiYauRen Gallente RedShift Limited Sang Do Oligarchic Democracy	Posted - 2010.03.28 03:36:00 - [58] Yes... it is just a game... but people pay for various reasons. Wheter it be emotional release, relaxation, social experimentation, or whatever they pay money for it. Just as they pay money for the emotional satisfaction of bbq, a movie, a vacation, or whatever. That places it strongly in the rl sphere both emotionally and in a practical and pragmatic way. You would jail someone who robbed you while on vacation... or scammed you at the bbq. The rl fact is that something paid for cannot be divorced from rl and it does matter in a very real sense to almost everyone. Griefers and social misfits love games because they can use that excuse to do what they would suffer for outside the game. Those people and the problems created are as real to them as a ruined vacation. The griefers and misfits know this. It is why they use the excuse. It is the same as assaulting someones family on vacation and saying... 'you can't do ****e about it' to them. It is very revealing regarding the people who do it. It is like writing 'i'm a sleezebag' on your forehead just to use the excuse. Only other sleezebags will tell you it isn't. It is the primary reason, actually, that most people consider gaming to be dominated by immature social misfits.
Admrl Cain Caldari Unbound Incorporated	Posted - 2010.03.28 09:40:00 - [59] Originally by: ZiYauRen Yes... it is just a game... but people pay for various reasons. Wheter it be emotional release, relaxation, social experimentation, or whatever they pay money for it. Just as they pay money for the emotional satisfaction of bbq, a movie, a vacation, or whatever. That places it strongly in the rl sphere both emotionally and in a practical and pragmatic way. You would jail someone who robbed you while on vacation... or scammed you at the bbq. The rl fact is that something paid for cannot be divorced from rl and it does matter in a very real sense to almost everyone. Griefers and social misfits love games because they can use that excuse to do what they would suffer for outside the game. Those people and the problems created are as real to them as a ruined vacation. The griefers and misfits know this. It is why they use the excuse. It is the same as assaulting someones family on vacation and saying... 'you can't do ****e about it' to them. It is very revealing regarding the people who do it. It is like writing 'i'm a sleezebag' on your forehead just to use the excuse. Only other sleezebags will tell you it isn't. It is the primary reason, actually, that most people consider gaming to be dominated by immature social misfits. ^^ Ding ding, QFT! ---------------------------------------- Admiral Cain. Yep, that's right.. mmhmmm
Shrike Arghast	Posted - 2010.03.28 10:26:00 - [60] It is not a game, it is time, and it is absolutely asinine to argue to the contrary. Time is easily man's most precious resource, for each of us are imbued with a certain, limited amount of it. How we choose to fritter away said time is irrelevant, for all seconds are as precious as the last, as eventually they will run out. EVE is a game, it's true... but the time lost here is the same spent in any other pursuit. In that sense, it's as dear a commodity as any other. Thus when people waste our time in this little electronic environment and then tell us to chill; tell us it's 'just a game,' what they're actually telling us is that our time isn't precious. It also demonstrates that those people who utter this commonality clearly don't have a clear understanding of how the world works, and fail to grasp how limited their own allotment of this asset is. Plus, they are also morons.



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