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AterraX
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Posted - 2010.06.11 09:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
Update:
Originally by: Tippia
The problem is to (..) find a good balance between on the hand taking away skills people have spent time training and/or giving them for free to new players, and on the other hand creating a solution that's not a DB nightmare to implement and is fair to everyone.
You can watch the latest statement on the matter here, as part of the "New Player experience" presentation from Fanfest 2009. By the looks and sounds of it, as soon as they figure out a good solution, the learning skills will die in a fire.
I don't know if it's feasible from a DB standpoint, but the best suggestion I've heard so far is to simply tack 12pts onto everyone's attributes, set the new attribute minimum to 17, strip everyone of the SP used for learning skills and then use this nifty double-speed training feature to reimburse those SP (basically, calculate how much each SP char has in learning skills, set the "double bonus ends at x SP" to whatever you have now + that calculated SP value, and let everyone spend that training bonus on whatever they want).
Everyone happy? I am! 
As if that would happen...
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AterraX
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Posted - 2010.07.06 01:55:00 -
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/rant
Remove engineering skills...
Every player that want to fly a ships, need to train engineering skills.
Be it for more cap, better cap recharge, more shield, better shield recharge ect.
This is unfair as EvE is a spaceship game and it is not fair that new players NEED to train these to get the maximum out of a ship.
you need to "waste" over 5 million SP in Engineering skills in order to get the maximum out of your ship.
It can't be true that you need to invest so many SP's just to be able to really be able to use your ship.
I suggest that we remove all engineering skills, as there should be no need to train these skills, because it is unfair to new players...and older players that have their focus elsewhere is being punished for not training these skills.
That is what the hate to learning skills is really boiled down to.
Replace "Engineering skills" with any other sub catagory eg. "Navigation" or "Mechanic"...or any other skills group you havn't trained and you are buthurt over that others have trained and you have you very own formula for a whine topic that makes no sense.
Keep your ****ing hands of my 5.376.000 SP in learning...and I won't whine about and demand a removal of skills you have trained that I havn't...deal?
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Posted - 2010.07.07 03:21:00 -
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Remove all learning skillbooks.
Problem solved.
What?
Oh, you want the attribute-bonus too, without any effort?
Sorry...don't have them trained, don't get the bonus.
That is the only solution I would support...
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Posted - 2010.07.07 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Esperium
Originally by: AterraX
Remove all learning skillbooks.
Problem solved.
What?
Oh, you want the attribute-bonus too, without any effort?
Sorry...don't have them trained, don't get the bonus.
That is the only solution I would support...
This is what I have been saying the whole time. Surprisingly this idea has not caught on as much as the free handout idea. I did propose another idea in the general discussion version of this thread but again, no freebies, no support. Makes me wonder what the real agenda is...
It's obvious isn't it?
People want stuff for free...and will whine forever to get it and try and mask it as something else.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: AterraX
Remove all learning skillbooks.
Problem solved.
What?
Oh, you want the attribute-bonus too, without any effort?
Sorry...don't have them trained, don't get the bonus.
That is the only solution I would support...
And that would help new players how exactly?
By all the whineposts, I say it would focus them on "useable" skills...I mean all the whine is about that you NEED to train learning skills.
Remove them...problem solved.
Why do you think all new players should get a bonus for doing nothing?!
A bonus other players spent time to get via traning.
It's seems to me that you don't see learning skills as the problem.
The problem is that your a jealous about the attribute-bonus others get that you don't.
And why don't you also demand the removal of attribute implants?!
What new player can afford +5 implants?
So i must conclude that you motive is dishonest and based on petty jealousy.
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Posted - 2010.07.11 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi
Lmao, this made my day, troll.
Happy like this:
"HELL YES! Training learning skills is so much fun, I wish they'd never end! 3 months training only? WTF? I want to sit in a station for at least 5 year and do nothing. Please add Tier 20 learnings!"
QQ some more...
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Posted - 2010.07.11 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi
Originally by: AterraX
Originally by: Jasdemi
Lmao, this made my day, troll.
Happy like this:
"HELL YES! Training learning skills is so much fun, I wish they'd never end! 3 months training only? WTF? I want to sit in a station for at least 5 year and do nothing. Please add Tier 20 learnings!"
QQ some more...
I already maxed my learnings, I have nothing to QQ about.
Lie some more:
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Jasdemi
Maxed out learning skills = 5.376.000 SP.
Not 4.632.000 SP
Now I know you are just a sad little 12,601,580 SP troll panda 
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Posted - 2010.07.11 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: JasdemiMax. charisma would only hurt my epic posting skills. [:roll:
Nice smoke&mirrors.
You didn't tell the whole truth.
It's a proven fact.
Move on.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Reais
However, I don't care, and I think learning skills should be removed.
My proposal has been posted many places, but, here you go:
1) Remove all learning skills (or make them worth 0 sp, give them to everyone at lvl5, and make them invisible - or whatever method needs to happen to make them work in the eve code).
2) Provide every character the number of SPs they have invested into learning skill for free using the system from a few weeks back that gave us XP for the long downtime. (This would require that they analyze each character, figure out how much SP they have in learning, then give it to them. Depending on how their databases are setup - it could be moderately straigtforward, or hellishly difficult - I would expect hellishly difficult).
The marginal result:
a) Old Dogs like me are better off, because we get a boost of skill points and, yes, we retain our current distance in skillpoints (even if not our training speed edge). (This is a boost in skillpoints, not in absolute terms - because we would have the same SP count, but be able to have that many SPs in actual usable skills).
b) Mid-age guys are better off, because they are no longer disadvantaged in training speed to old dogs like me. Additionally, they get a nice little boost in SPs to use on skills that actually do something in the game world.
c) New guys don't have to waste months sitting around training skills that everyone has to train. They're no longer disadvantaged in learning skill time. They can now get access to new stuff in a nice progression to allow them to enjoy the game more in their early stages.
I feel that skills should provide specialization within the world of EVE. They should be choices you make that let you explore the various facets and features of eve - not skills that everyone has to train or they will otherwise be hopelessly disadvantaged over time.
Another supporter of welfare help.
Why shoud people get attribute bonusses for free?
This is n't WoW and the paleyers whining about learning skalls want to WoW'ify EvE...stop please.
1) Pure welfare...getting +10 on your attribute...for doing nothing. NO!
2) Even if you refund my ISK and SP, I will not be happy...I trained to to get ahead/keep up in the long run, so a big fat NO!
I am not going to be part of the grand welfare scheme to make all equal in Eve with no effort.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
But HEY you already get +8 to all and +7 Charisma when creating a character ... for doing nothing!
The starting stats and general skillspeed are totally arbitrary.
But you don't get +10 on all attributes, so what is you point?
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And the "wowifying" argument is completely hysterical. How does removal of learning skills make EVE more like WoW? I even dare to say that in WoW you have to "work" for your SP while EVE gives them "for free", it's 100% "welfare". Time waiting and doing nothing does NOT equal "work" or "effort". Ask your boss!
I struck a nerve I see.
Skills don't work like grinding, I'll give you that...but to remove learning skills makes EvE more like WoW.
Unlike now, where learning skills differenciate players.
Those that HTFU up...and tranied the leraning skills relevante for them.
And those that whine, becuase they want the cookie for free.
Stop *****fying Eve.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi
Ignore Alterax. He's just trolling with an alt account. Don't waste your time responding to his obvious troll attempts.
It wouldn't post with its account, if it was serious.
Hello troll-liar.
You are more ******ed than I thought if you can't find my main.
But I guess my "Low. I.Q" filter (aka posting with an alt) works, thanks for claifying that.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi
What? Creating an char named AterraY will make Aterra my main? Awesome!
Although who would want to have an character named liked this? 4/6 of the word "retar.d" is inside. Is your char called like this to symbolize your true self?
Look up AterraX ingame.
Look at the corp he is in.
Specifically who created that corp...and the name of that char.
???
Profit.
See, you just prove my point...an OBVIOUSLY and NOT hidden alt was enough to throw you off.
As I said...Low I.Q. Filter...and it cleary works...as you just demonstrated
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Learnings won't stay ingame for much longer, stop resisting with dumb arguments already.
Lying (again) won't help you...
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Posted - 2010.07.14 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: AterraX on 14/07/2010 07:42:34
Originally by: Jasdemi
You really believe someone would waste their precious time and search for some no-name like you ingame? And not willing to waste time for dumb things makes my IQ lower? That's really new for me.
I think I may learn a lot of more dumb, yet interesting things from you. Go on.
Shifting the goalposts, eh?
How "known" I am wasn't the issue...now was it?
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PS: I recommend all new players to train something else, not learnings. As it looks, it's pretty safe that learnings will be removed.
CCP would close all 3 threads, if this wasn't true.
For the third time, lying won't help you.
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Posted - 2010.07.15 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi
Originally by: joshua boston
I did the whole learning skill thing first... it didn't take me 3 months though... what a bunch of rookies. This thread is nowhere near as good as the rage threads about hulkageddon. I'm going back to those for some lolz
Lol lying noob. So in less than 3 months you made over 5m SP with a new char? Obvious troll is obvious.
Did you forget about me liar-troll? :9
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Posted - 2010.07.15 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi
@Alterax: Of course not, darling.
Then I take you had no rebuttal and are simpy trying to lie/troll your way out of it?
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Posted - 2010.07.16 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi
Pantoad, stop derailing this thread already. In the past few pages you've been only posting off-topic and insulting everyone who wants learning skills to be removed.
Can't you accept their opinion? We know that you don't want EVE to grow and give new players an easier launch, hence you troll and insult everyone here.
It's your job after all to damage the community and I fully understand and accept this, but stop insulting everyone. Do your job in a creative way.
Also you have to accept that learning skills will be removed, it's just a matter of time. Live with this, my dear.
Pot, kettle, black combined with lying...still trolling I see.
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Posted - 2010.07.16 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Guttripper
*looks at the dead horse.
I would have thought this thread would have taken the winds out of the anti-learning crusade...
Trolls don't care...they just troll on.
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