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Desdemona Neptune	Posted - 2010.03.25 17:36:00 - [1] Hello - had an idea for a useful and game-content-appropriate new ship class (or sub-class perhaps:) the Starship Hauler. Yes, I'm well aware of the "carrier" capital ship class, which cannot use jump gates nor operate in hi-sec. In my mind the carrier is essentially a combat ship; I'm suggesting a variety of industrial or freighter. The Starship Hauler is designed specifically for carrying other ships around, just like the car-carriers we have here on good old Earth. It's size could be somewhere between the largest capacity industrial ships (Iteron V I think) and the freighter class ship; maybe comparable to the cargo capacity of the Orca; certainly it should be large enough to carry 2-4 assembled battleships. It shouldn't be cheap, but perhaps not as expensive as freighters, which generally cost 600-700 million isk. Most importantly, the Starship Hauler can carry assembled and / or rigged ships, at the expense of standard (i.e. non-starship) cargo capacity. We can debate whether it should have the ability to launch ships into space, carry a ship-fitting bay, etc. Skill-wise, it could compare to freighters, perhaps a bit less skill intensive, since its overall a smaller ship. I don't imagine a huge demand for this, but for those players who have large personal ship collections or who build/trade a lot of them, this could be a useful tool; it could also be used for ship-transportation courier contracts or other for-hire purposes. Being able to move many assembled ships around hi-sec would be a real advantage to many players. And I do think that something along these lines fits into the overall game design of EVE. Additional suggestions welcome...
Serpent Kamri	Posted - 2010.03.25 18:11:00 - [2] CCP plans to add the option to configure regular freighters into ship haulers soonÖ
Vespoi Filar	Posted - 2010.03.25 18:37:00 - [3] Originally by: Serpent Kamri CCP plans to add the option to configure regular freighters into ship haulers soonÖ CCP has already done this by increasing the size of Courier contracts to absolute max possible Freighter cargo size.
Gabriel Rosencrantz	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Vespoi Filar CCP has already done this by increasing the size of Courier contracts to absolute max possible Freighter cargo size. Confirming. You have always been able to move ships via courier contract, however the 120k m3 limit made it impossible to carry larger ships. The new 981k m3 limit is large enough to transport all assembled ships from BS on down. It has made life much easier for us at Red Frog Freight.
Desdemona Neptune	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:50:00 - [5] So do I understand this correctly -- you can't carry your own assembled ships in a freighter, but if you courier-contract them to someone else, that person can? Sounds a bit bonkers to me -- not that CCP hasn't ever done something bonkers before...
Boss Vlad Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.25 23:00:00 - [6] correct me if im wrong. but as i understand them, courier contracts put the item into a special container the size being moved. Thats how i remember it being done a few years ago. i could be wrong tho.
Serpent Kamri	Posted - 2010.03.25 23:13:00 - [7] Yes, courier contracts put everything into shiny wrapping paper, even assembled ships. It's a bit of a half-arsed solution either way.
Gabriel Rosencrantz	Posted - 2010.03.25 23:14:00 - [8] Correct, you cannot put an assembled ship directly into the hold of a freighter. You also cannot put any assembled cans other than GFCs directly into the hold of a freighter. An assembled ship in a courier contract can only have charges (ammo, crystals, scripts) in the hold. You can simply contract the ship into a courier contract, no special packaging is required.
Commander IceQ Caldari Paradoxical Anomoly	Posted - 2010.03.26 11:07:00 - [9] I was thinking of something similar this morning. However I would suggest to restrict the size to that of Freighters (same skill req too). My Charon has 942km3, I dump all my stuff in there and move them. (I have 4 chars each have fitted & Rigged Ships) Now it takes 2-3 days to move all of those. If I could "change" the type of cargo to "ships" and then dump most of them in there it would cause me a lot less headaches. Or a possible Charon MKII for ships well... either is fine. /signed
Daenna Chrysi	Posted - 2010.03.26 11:51:00 - [10] yes it could be useful, for carrying larger amount of ships. my suggestion about tug barges would be more on the smaller scale and more vulnerable.
Kithran	Posted - 2010.03.26 12:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Desdemona Neptune So do I understand this correctly -- you can't carry your own assembled ships in a freighter, but if you courier-contract them to someone else, that person can? Sounds a bit bonkers to me -- not that CCP hasn't ever done something bonkers before... Nothing to stop you creating a private courier contract to yourself. Kithran
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.03.26 13:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Kithran Originally by: Desdemona Neptune So do I understand this correctly -- you can't carry your own assembled ships in a freighter, but if you courier-contract them to someone else, that person can? Sounds a bit bonkers to me -- not that CCP hasn't ever done something bonkers before... Nothing to stop you creating a private courier contract to yourself. Kithran there is actually, you can not accept your own contracts.
Mograph	Posted - 2010.03.26 13:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Kithran Originally by: Desdemona Neptune So do I understand this correctly -- you can't carry your own assembled ships in a freighter, but if you courier-contract them to someone else, that person can? Sounds a bit bonkers to me -- not that CCP hasn't ever done something bonkers before... Nothing to stop you creating a private courier contract to yourself. Kithran Tired this and couldn't make the contract to myself.. maybe i did it wrong. They just need a "Package for Transport" option which puts the ship in a box rather than making a courier contract - then this problem would be sorted and if you are reading this you have reached the signature without noticing.
SunOfSin Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.03.27 03:18:00 - [14] big help for me i 5 bs to move
David Grogan Gallente Final Conflict UK Warped Aggression	Posted - 2010.03.31 00:40:00 - [15] Edited by: David Grogan on 31/03/2010 00:46:53 Originally by: Desdemona Neptune Hello - had an idea for a useful and game-content-appropriate new ship class (or sub-class perhaps:) the Starship Hauler. Yes, I'm well aware of the "carrier" capital ship class, which cannot use jump gates nor operate in hi-sec. In my mind the carrier is essentially a combat ship; I'm suggesting a variety of industrial or freighter. The Starship Hauler is designed specifically for carrying other ships around, just like the car-carriers we have here on good old Earth. It's size could be somewhere between the largest capacity industrial ships (Iteron V I think) and the freighter class ship; maybe comparable to the cargo capacity of the Orca; certainly it should be large enough to carry 2-4 assembled battleships. It shouldn't be cheap, but perhaps not as expensive as freighters, which generally cost 600-700 million isk. Most importantly, the Starship Hauler can carry assembled and / or rigged ships, at the expense of standard (i.e. non-starship) cargo capacity. We can debate whether it should have the ability to launch ships into space, carry a ship-fitting bay, etc. Skill-wise, it could compare to freighters, perhaps a bit less skill intensive, since its overall a smaller ship. I don't imagine a huge demand for this, but for those players who have large personal ship collections or who build/trade a lot of them, this could be a useful tool; it could also be used for ship-transportation courier contracts or other for-hire purposes. Being able to move many assembled ships around hi-sec would be a real advantage to many players. And I do think that something along these lines fits into the overall game design of EVE. Additional suggestions welcome... no need for such a ship u can already carry upto 2 rigged battleships via courier contracts inside a freighter u basically courier contract the ship using your main to your freighter pilot and then deliver it to where u need it moved orca can carry upto 1 rigged bc NOT got a second account no problem create a noob alt on your account and use that to contract the ship to your freighter pilot works like this - step 1 main creates courier contract for noob alt to move the ship step 2 noob alt accepts contract and then contracts the package back to main step 3 main puts in freighter and hauls it to desired location step 4 main contracts the package back to noob alt at new location step 5 noob alt right click's on package and delivers it SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P

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