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ZYMOTICAL
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Posted - 2010.03.25 20:22:00 -
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Hi there,
by now i am Gallente trained and flying a Kronos. I invested some time and got Minmatar BS to 5. I wonder if it would be still an update for level 4¦s to switch to a Vargur or Machariel with "normal" Projectile Turrets or to wait one or two months more till i get Large Projectile to 5 (T2 Turrets)?
Thx for your help
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.25 20:43:00 -
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You can get killer range with ACs on those ships without using Barrage. (I tend to use T2 ammo very little these days, since I tend to shoot most things inside 40KM.)
The one suggestion I would have is to be sure to use 800mm ACs: The extra falloff, not to mention DPS, will help you make up for the lack of T2. Don't skimp on Tracking Enhancers or Tracking Computers and you'll be fine.
That said...train for T2 ACs as soon as you can. There are still some situations and missions where it hurts to not have Barrage, if only to soften up your targets while on approach. But it shouldn't keep you from flying the ship as a precondition.
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.25 21:16:00 -
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As SB said. Dunno if he flies a Mach anymore, but I do, and I think I've used Barrage a grand total of once ( and I don't even own any large Hail ). It's a lot easier ( and generally faster ) to just move the ship than swapping ammo.
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TimMc
Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.03.26 00:44:00 -
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T2 ammo boosts those ships from ridiculous falloff to ******ed. Not much use in PvE.
You should still be training for t2 guns however for more damage.
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Chigy
Minmatar Sausage Banking
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Posted - 2010.03.26 04:22:00 -
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Get faction guns. Moar damage with equal range and falloff. Neva used T2 ammo in missions.
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Kenpotchi
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Posted - 2010.03.26 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Chigy Get faction guns. Moar damage with equal range and falloff. Neva used T2 ammo in missions.
With the exception of the Golem.
You can use scout 800s or faction 800s. Faction 800s have 0.1% damage mod over scouts and the fitting is a whole lot less. On a Vargur I would say just get scouts and if your gunna use a Mach then RF and Domination are the same thing just different names.
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Miss Xoco
Minmatar Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing DRACONIAN COVENANT
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Posted - 2010.03.26 13:06:00 -
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I could be wrong but since the stat change on Machariel, it rather looks like a PVP ship to me and Kronos should be superior to it for LV. 4. Why do you use the Machariel or what is it which makes it that superior, better than a Marauder?
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Taross
Caldari People with Guns Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.03.26 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Xoco I could be wrong but since the stat change on Machariel, it rather looks like a PVP ship to me and Kronos should be superior to it for LV. 4. Why do you use the Machariel or what is it which makes it that superior, better than a Marauder?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.03.26 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Xoco I could be wrong but since the stat change on Machariel, it rather looks like a PVP ship to me and Kronos should be superior to it for LV. 4. Why do you use the Machariel or what is it which makes it that superior, better than a Marauder?
Mach got massive damage, It's almost like
Mach : Vargur = CNR : Golem
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.26 15:00:00 -
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Speed makes this Ship interesting and that applies even for PvE. Around 500m/s the incoming damage of missiles is dramatically reduced and turret based BS have a hard time even hitting.
With the Falloff Bonus it can kill things at nearly 40km range and with it's high speed catch anything that even tries to stay at distance with ease
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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galdinni
Gallente Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.03.26 19:43:00 -
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also, using barrage and one TE2, it hits at like 60 KM falloff. lolrange is lol.
i love owning a Machariel. it's so beasty.
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.26 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Von Kapiche on 26/03/2010 21:10:17
Originally by: galdinni also, using barrage and one TE2, it hits at like 60 KM falloff. lolrange is lol.
i love owning a Machariel. it's so beasty.
My current mission fit ( pretty standard mach fit + T2 ambit ) & skills hit that with fusion, all V & barrage puts it almost at 110km, including optimal. And for whoever was wondering what's so special about it as if that wasnt enough, 1100 dps with that falloff says it's a bit special. It can't loot, but noone ever pretended it was a marauder anyway, it's the Minmatar CNR. I love mine too, it's utterly ridiculous :)
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.26 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Von Kapiche
My current mission fit ( pretty standard mach fit + T2 ambit ) & skills hit that with fusion, all V & barrage puts it almost at 110km, including optimal. And for whoever was wondering what's so special about it as if that wasnt enough, 1100 dps with that falloff says it's a bit special. It can't loot, but noone ever pretended it was a marauder anyway, it's the Minmatar CNR. I love mine too, it's utterly ridiculous :)
To be fair, you don't have that 1100 DPS when using Barrage, which is where the 110KM falloff comes from.
We need to keep the numbers straight lest we invoke the ghost of nerfbat past.
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.26 22:11:00 -
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To be even more fair that's with RF ammo also, which I use on rare occasions I try & beat some mission completion time, but it's still around 1k DPS with normal fusion. While I have no desire to get the thing nerfed again, for the price it *should* be something special, especially seeing how the RF tempest *isn't*.
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Zephna
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Posted - 2010.04.06 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Seriously Bored
Originally by: Von Kapiche
My current mission fit ( pretty standard mach fit + T2 ambit ) & skills hit that with fusion, all V & barrage puts it almost at 110km, including optimal. And for whoever was wondering what's so special about it as if that wasnt enough, 1100 dps with that falloff says it's a bit special. It can't loot, but noone ever pretended it was a marauder anyway, it's the Minmatar CNR. I love mine too, it's utterly ridiculous :)
To be fair, you don't have that 1100 DPS when using Barrage, which is where the 110KM falloff comes from.
We need to keep the numbers straight lest we invoke the ghost of nerfbat past.
amen to that
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