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foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.29 09:45:00 - [31] I think I will repeat some wise words I heard today: "Seems CVA found their Sylph." _______________________ We come for our people!
MILK Monk Knights of the Silver Dawn Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.29 10:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Isaac Starstriker The hate and anger from CVA directed at LFA is...is disturbing. Has CVA lost itself so much that allies must be rebuked and spit on? "maggot, coward", sheesh. This is not the proud CVA I once knew. I am greatly saddened by this. @Lasterax. I was once in your alliance a while ago. I wish you and your alliance the greatest of luck and safe flying. Its a pity that your allies say such things. Its a real pity... Hate and anger? I do not think so. Deep disappointment? YES! They betrayed us during hard times. They are not allies, if they would be allies, they would NOT left us when we need every pilot. Do not spin this situation as it would be our fault. It is LFA who left, CVA did not "kick" them. As lasterax say, we tried to bite. We were slapped as an answer. So far it is fair, but when LFA saw the power of AAA - and later their offending offer, actually spit in our face! - they started to think how great idea it is to let AAA dictate rules to CVA... if you still do not see the difference then lasterax did good job with his speech. I hope there is more pilots who do not fall to every propaganda speech like this... In the end, I wish to LFA (and I believe actually many other pilots in CVA too) the best in their future. But do not expect us to love them for what they did. __________________________________ I do it myyyy wayyyy... Milky Way.
Kali Shoumei Gallente British Federation Sleepless Knights Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.29 10:52:00 - [33] from sounds of it lfa thought the offer was worth taking so everyone could continue to enjoy life in providence and because they supported this idea aralis tried to organise a coup within lfa not once but twice that is pretty damn low if you ask me specially since it was for speaking up and saying how about we consider the offer and nothing else - lfa going there own way seems like a rather restrained responce
Rorin Cutter Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.29 15:14:00 - [34] Pacing my command deck, and wondering if I should, or should not answer this blatantly treacherous communiquT from our soon to be ex-neighbours, LFA. Reaching for the transmit button, and stabbing down with a vengeance. Lastereax, you are a wonderful example for a terrible neighbour, but of course this will be taken care of. You were handed that beautiful area of space by CVA and holders, and since then you have done your best to give it and your alliance a bad name, time and time again through your foolish decisions. This time my old friend, you have gone too far. Lord Aralis, has not lost his way, and neither have our holding allies and friends. You have lost your sense of belonging I think, or hope maybe? Regardless, you have in fact lost something à our trust in you! But of course everyone that lives in or around providence already knows this. A question for you Lasterax, what does a dog owner do when the family dog bites a family member? I have always believed that a responsible owner puts his dog down himself. You consider any and all agreements null and void? Nice to know, I consider you not worthy to be neutral, and of course no longer worthy to claim space in providence. I am sure Gods justice will be extracted! Amarr Victor! Releases the transmit button, sits back and thinks about good friends and traitorous unbelievers.
Borgh Brainbasher Path of Now and Forever	Posted - 2010.03.29 15:21:00 - [35] Edited by: Borgh Brainbasher on 29/03/2010 15:22:03 Important diplo question to the cva guys here: Does this mean you can freely pirate in lfa space or does it still fall under the Deliverance rules? not that I want to do so myself but I could see it being a nice repercussion for lfa bailing out on you in the time of need. If they want to do their own standings, well let themn i say. edit: spelling --- Warning: You are on the pvp only server.
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.03.29 15:26:00 - [36] Provibloc tried to invade AAA space. Provibloc failed in this endeavour. AAA invaded Providence, and it soon became clear that Provibloc was not up to the task of defending it. AAA offered Provibloc peace under some very reasonable terms. A lot of Provibloc wanted to accept. Its leadership were, however, either too proud, too stupid or both. The terms were not accepted. AAA continued attacking. Provibloc is crumbling. Whose fault is that, in the grand scheme of things? -----
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.29 15:47:00 - [37] Originally by: Isaac Starstriker The hate and anger from CVA directed at LFA is...is disturbing. tsk tsk Somebody didn't read the OP... Originally by: Andreus LeHane Whose fault is that, in the grand scheme of things? As ever, our fate is our responsibility.
Sarius Deteis The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.29 20:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Isaac Starstriker The hate and anger from CVA directed at LFA is...is disturbing. Has CVA lost itself so much that allies must be rebuked and spit on? "maggot, coward", sheesh. I wonder if you have understood anything that was said in the breaking news? LFA has decided that they do not want an alliance with CVA anymore, so how is it that CVA displays hate and anger towards our ally? I for one would like you to re-read the original broadcast. Goat pride, and Amarr Victor! Amarr Victory WTB 8 lowslot Inty
Liteshow Caldari The Leather Knights Opticon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.29 22:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Isaac Starstriker The hate and anger from CVA directed at LFA is...is disturbing. tsk tsk Somebody didn't read the OP... I did, and yet I still see a very emotional response from several CVA members. Yes, LFA decided to stop following the iron fist style rulings of CVA, but you have to admit, it's not like they vowed to join -A- or UK in the process. They just didn't like living under a set of unquestionable rules that caused a lot of turmoil long before the -A- invasion. While Aralis was mentioned directly in their causes for leaving, would you rather lax just skirt the issue to try not to hurt any feelings, or give his direct opinions on why the alliance between LFA and CVA wasn't working? Yes, he's leaving in a time of need. Yes, he didnt' like the way things are going in CVA or in Provi in general. But LFA wasn't the first to leave, and won't be the last while Provi burns. Just be glad they haven't openly joined the reds as so many have... So those that try to part on at least semi-good terms are regarded with this kind of respect: Originally by: D'agon Picard maggot Originally by: Tharrn As the saying goes: 'A coward boasting of his courage may deceive strangers, but he is a laughing-stock to those who know him.' Wow, I wonder why so many see CVA as the jackass in this whole ordeal. Maybe you (CVA) should leave your posting to those like Garreck who at least know the meaning of tact and try not to throw gasoline on burning bridges... Originally by: Garreck As ever, our fate is our responsibility. And whether LFA burns with Provi or somehow comes out intact is left to LFA, until someone does something stupid and drops sov, lol... Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal
Kozmic Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.30 07:00:00 - [40] Originally by: MILK Monk They are not allies, if they would be allies, they would NOT left us when we need every pilot. What for? Evacuation? Last minute ratting?
Vigilanta	Posted - 2010.03.30 07:50:00 - [41] Trying to save your constellation? think you are sol on that one. Way to stand with your team.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleet Yards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.30 08:53:00 - [42] Originally by: Liteshow uninformed blabbering I'll give you another quote: A half-truth is the most cowardly of lies Lasterax is a snake trying to put a wedge between our most benign Lord Aralis and the other holders, and as a snake he'll be treated. Well, what else can you expect from a Brutor? -----
Liteshow Caldari The Leather Knights Opticon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.30 14:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Liteshow uninformed blabbering I'll give you another quote: A half-truth is the most cowardly of lies Lasterax is a snake trying to put a wedge between our most benign Lord Aralis and the other holders, and as a snake he'll be treated. Well, what else can you expect from a Brutor? Uninformed huh? Yeah, because I wasn't there for the first month of the failcascade that is CVA's current state, and the alliance I was (formerly) in wasn't preemptively dissolved under the ruling of the almighty Aralis's orders... All in all, I suppose this rat jumped off the sinking dinghy that was still tied to the sinking ship long ago, and good riddance... Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.03.30 14:48:00 - [44] Originally by: Tharrn I'll give you another quote: A half-truth is the most cowardly of lies Lasterax is a snake trying to put a wedge between our most benign Lord Aralis and the other holders, and as a snake he'll be treated. Well, what else can you expect from a Brutor? I cannot express how gratifying it is, Tharrn, after all these years, to see Provibloc fall apart in such an acrimonious display of broken friendships, shattered alliances, hatred, racism, recriminations, accusations, sniping and bitterness. It would not be right for such a venerable institution to fade out silently - Provibloc falls not with a mere whimper or even a bang, but with a bone-jarring, earth-shaking crash, like a priceless porcelain vase tumbling from its stand to strike the floor and shatter into a thousand beautiful pieces. I've waited so very, very long for this. -----
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.03.30 16:30:00 - [45] Its not much of a surprise that a group used to taking commands from on high (Holders) would have no problem with those commands coming from a slightly different place or having the odd string or two added (the peace Providence agreement). Where as those who have long seen themselves at the top of the pecking order (CVA), and see it as their duty, nay Right! To cast down their orders to their sla.., I mean vassals (the Holders) would recoil at the idea and even demand their loyal, leashed pets be as offended at the idea of their noble masters being shackled like dogs. -------------------------------------------- SF Recruiting
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.30 16:58:00 - [46] Originally by: Andreus LeHane I've waited so very, very long for this. I cannot express how gratifying it is to see the number of naysayers who were apparently relegated to side-show waiting for CVA to come under duress. Surely we made our mark. I am pleased it was the mighty Southern Coallition who proved to be our undoing, not some spineless bench-sitter whose hatred and bitterness couldn't even manifest more action than hoping and waiting so "very very long" for our demise. Amarr Victor.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.30 17:26:00 - [47] Originally by: Liteshow I did, and yet I still see a very emotional response from several CVA members. I never meant to deny any sort of negative emotional outpouring. Allow me to clarify: In the original announcement, an organization who holds space entirely by virtue of agreeing to terms with CVA has stepped back from that agreement during a time when the agreement matters the most, during a time when they could demonstrate their worthiness to hold space; during their first true opportunity to do so, in fact. They gained space through no overt action, merely a promise to be there with us and for us, and they are attempting to retain that space by abandoning that promise. Yes...we're angry! It's silly to try to deny it and it is childish to make it a focal point for this discussion. Holders were an ideal, and the ideal was never primarily about space claimed and held. LFA have demonstrated clearly that they do not believe in that ideal. Shame on us for not judging them appropriately when it would have mattered. The ideal lives on and our mission continues in the face of any setback. We would press on without a single Holder left, and yet most Holders remain faithful (even those who have lost their space entirely.) With such allies and such faith, our current failures are temporary at worst.
Xyla Vulchanus Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.30 22:46:00 - [48] Originally by: Tharrn Lasterax is a snake trying to put a wedge between our most benign Lord Aralis and the other holders, and as a snake he'll be treated. Well, what else can you expect from a Brutor? "Benign" is certainly the perfect description, well phrased Tharn. Additionally, perhaps all the Brutor or even Minmatar loyalists to CVA and it's holders may want to consider the contempt for them that you reveal here, and act appropriately. We Come For Our People (and your systems)
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Primary.	Posted - 2010.03.31 01:14:00 - [49] I am surprised the direction Lasterax is going in now. Please let me explain. Having been directly involved in LFA leadership for over a year, and also being privy to insider info during our time in AM / Prov, i also knew Lasterax to be a sly politician. Gaining power and staying in power were really his only concerns. In an effort to expand his power, he wanted to take systems outside of Providence. While to outsiders this may have appeared to be a logical move for Providence, his ambitions were purely selfish in nature. He then, after realizing that AAA called upon all of their friends to counter attack, tried making a deal with enemies we have fought against for years. Frankly I think he did indeed make such a deal, as LFA is the only alliance in all of Providence NOT to be attacked. From the day I talked to Lasterax, i always was cautious of his true intentions. Those intentions are for personal benefit, not for the furthering of Operation Deliverance. His treachery to his brothers and sisters in Providence did not go unnoticed however, as every major corp in LFA ( having been loyal corps in Providence for years ) fled to other pastures. Apparently backstabbing their friends wasnt sitting well with those corps at all. You reap what you sow Lasterax. Instead of sticking by CVA and Holders, you tried to "save" LFA from the terrible AAA. Now, your alliance is a shell of its former self and has all but been branded traitor by Providence Alliances. May you die a traitors death, and my your name live in history forever. Clarification: My dedication to my career and family have forced me to pull HROLT out of Providence, our pilots were also in need of a temporary reprieve from the backstabbing that was occurring from "loyal" corps in some of Providence. Case in point...
Vincent Death Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.03.31 08:37:00 - [50] Quote: Join us in forming a new coalition in Providence, one devoted to liberty and freedom -- not tyranny and servitude. Is this a renounciation of slavery?
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleet Yards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.31 10:28:00 - [51] Originally by: Andreus LeHane AAA offered Provibloc peace under some very reasonable terms. A lot of Provibloc wanted to accept. Its leadership were, however, either too proud, too stupid or both. Oh, I missed this gem. One could also say the leadership hasn't sold it's backbone for some space. I am glad and proud to have the leadership we have and back the decisions made without a shade of doubt. I am also proud to call those Holders, corporations and individuals that didn't jump ship at the first sign of trouble allies and friends. It was god's will to see us tested and some failed the test. They have been weighed and they have been found lacking. -----
CONQUERINGAZ The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.03.31 14:16:00 - [52] Originally by: ShadowandLight Edited by: ShadowandLight on 31/03/2010 08:32:33 I am surprised the direction Lasterax is going in now. Please let me explain. Having been directly involved in LFA leadership for over a year, and also being privy to insider info during our time in AM / Prov, i also knew Lasterax to be a sly politician. Gaining power and staying in power were really his only concerns. In an effort to expand his power, he wanted to take systems outside of Providence. While to outsiders this may have appeared to be a logical move for Providence, his ambitions were purely selfish in nature. He then, after realizing that AAA called upon all of their friends to counter attack, tried making a deal with enemies we have fought against for years. Frankly I think he did indeed make such a deal, as LFA is the only alliance in all of Providence NOT to be attacked. From the day I talked to Lasterax, i always was cautious of his true intentions. Those intentions are for personal benefit, not for the furthering of Operation Deliverance. His treachery to his brothers and sisters in Providence did not go unnoticed however, as every major corp in LFA ( having been loyal corps in Providence for years ) fled to other pastures. Apparently backstabbing their friends wasnt sitting well with those corps at all. You reap what you sow Lasterax. Instead of sticking by CVA and Holders, you tried to "save" LFA from the terrible AAA. Now, your alliance is a shell of its former self and has all but been branded traitor by Providence Alliances. May you die a traitors death, and my your name live in history forever. Hypocrit much? ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Primary. I bolded the funny part. I don't think i need to go into the thread on cva's private forum about how people were happy to see you leave. As for lasterax, he is a chill guy who was elbowed too many times by cva leadership. If i were him, I would have done much more "terrible" things immediately after d-g capital graveyard. As for a point on the greater view, the strategy of minimizing losses seems to be a good theory in practice (if done correctly), but in this case, it has caused bickering, desertion, and "betrayal." There is even harsh disagreement among holders about a possible holder merger into a super alliance. The comms that have previously been used for information discussion have turned to a place of banter and criticism that metagamers can poke fun at all day long. One could say it is almost an"arhc"y.
Major Templar Caldari KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.31 16:56:00 - [53] Originally by: CONQUERINGAZ Originally by: ShadowandLight Edited by: ShadowandLight on 31/03/2010 08:32:33 I am surprised the direction Lasterax is going in now. Please let me explain. Having been directly involved in LFA leadership for over a year, and also being privy to insider info during our time in AM / Prov, i also knew Lasterax to be a sly politician. Gaining power and staying in power were really his only concerns. In an effort to expand his power, he wanted to take systems outside of Providence. While to outsiders this may have appeared to be a logical move for Providence, his ambitions were purely selfish in nature. He then, after realizing that AAA called upon all of their friends to counter attack, tried making a deal with enemies we have fought against for years. Frankly I think he did indeed make such a deal, as LFA is the only alliance in all of Providence NOT to be attacked. From the day I talked to Lasterax, i always was cautious of his true intentions. Those intentions are for personal benefit, not for the furthering of Operation Deliverance. His treachery to his brothers and sisters in Providence did not go unnoticed however, as every major corp in LFA ( having been loyal corps in Providence for years ) fled to other pastures. Apparently backstabbing their friends wasnt sitting well with those corps at all. You reap what you sow Lasterax. Instead of sticking by CVA and Holders, you tried to "save" LFA from the terrible AAA. Now, your alliance is a shell of its former self and has all but been branded traitor by Providence Alliances. May you die a traitors death, and my your name live in history forever. Hypocrit much? ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Primary. I bolded the funny part. I don't think i need to go into the thread on cva's private forum about how people were happy to see you leave. You weren't the first to see this, I for one looked at it and had a good Lulz. @Shadow. Look at yourself, seriously, you left AM long before Lasterax made this announcement to everyone. You betrayed Holders long before he left. I say left because he did not betray anyone. He said, that he will not be hostile to anyone unless they are first hostile to him. You however turned and went to one of the very alliances that are in Providence attacking Holders. This of course is my opinion and not that of my corporation or alliance. Major Templar Head of Armed Forces Kings Of Eden Sev3rance
Dogbeast Minmatar Darkwave Technologies Blade.	Posted - 2010.03.31 17:56:00 - [54] Edited by: Dogbeast on 31/03/2010 17:57:34 Originally by: ShadowandLight blah blah blah... LoL. The guy who lead a coup de'tat in AM and caused so much hatred within its ranks, calling others dishonorable. ---------------------------- An endless life, at an endless price.
Liteshow Caldari The Leather Knights Opticon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.31 19:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Liteshow I did, and yet I still see a very emotional response from several CVA members. I never meant to deny any sort of negative emotional outpouring. Allow me to clarify: In the original announcement, an organization who holds space entirely by virtue of agreeing to terms with CVA has stepped back from that agreement during a time when the agreement matters the most, during a time when they could demonstrate their worthiness to hold space; during their first true opportunity to do so, in fact. They gained space through no overt action, merely a promise to be there with us and for us, and they are attempting to retain that space by abandoning that promise. Yes...we're angry! It's silly to try to deny it and it is childish to make it a focal point for this discussion. Holders were an ideal, and the ideal was never primarily about space claimed and held. LFA have demonstrated clearly that they do not believe in that ideal. Shame on us for not judging them appropriately when it would have mattered. The ideal lives on and our mission continues in the face of any setback. We would press on without a single Holder left, and yet most Holders remain faithful (even those who have lost their space entirely.) With such allies and such faith, our current failures are temporary at worst. Frankly, I wasn't including you in the group of emotional responses Garreck. You seemed to be the most level headed in this situation (and still are). It was the more childish responses I was referring to, and meant no di srespect to you. I think this whole ordeal has gotten out of hand in that all these outsiders (myself included since LKNT's retreat, I suppose) feel the need to put in their snide little remarks an matters that don't really concern them. Having just pointed this out, any other point I had in mind seems moot, so I'll just disappear back into the the mass of torches and pitchforks yelling from empire... Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal
FreedomCalls	Posted - 2010.04.02 07:53:00 - [56] Originally by: Major Templar Originally by: CONQUERINGAZ Originally by: ShadowandLight Edited by: ShadowandLight on 31/03/2010 08:32:33 I am surprised the direction Lasterax is going in now. Please let me explain. Having been directly involved in LFA leadership for over a year, and also being privy to insider info during our time in AM / Prov, i also knew Lasterax to be a sly politician. Gaining power and staying in power were really his only concerns. In an effort to expand his power, he wanted to take systems outside of Providence. While to outsiders this may have appeared to be a logical move for Providence, his ambitions were purely selfish in nature. He then, after realizing that AAA called upon all of their friends to counter attack, tried making a deal with enemies we have fought against for years. Frankly I think he did indeed make such a deal, as LFA is the only alliance in all of Providence NOT to be attacked. From the day I talked to Lasterax, i always was cautious of his true intentions. Those intentions are for personal benefit, not for the furthering of Operation Deliverance. His treachery to his brothers and sisters in Providence did not go unnoticed however, as every major corp in LFA ( having been loyal corps in Providence for years ) fled to other pastures. Apparently backstabbing their friends wasnt sitting well with those corps at all. You reap what you sow Lasterax. Instead of sticking by CVA and Holders, you tried to "save" LFA from the terrible AAA. Now, your alliance is a shell of its former self and has all but been branded traitor by Providence Alliances. May you die a traitors death, and my your name live in history forever. Hypocrit much? ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Primary. I bolded the funny part. I don't think i need to go into the thread on cva's private forum about how people were happy to see you leave. You weren't the first to see this, I for one looked at it and had a good Lulz. @Shadow. Look at yourself, seriously, you left AM long before Lasterax made this announcement to everyone. You betrayed Holders long before he left. I say left because he did not betray anyone. He said, that he will not be hostile to anyone unless they are first hostile to him. You however turned and went to one of the very alliances that are in Providence attacking Holders. This of course is my opinion and not that of my corporation or alliance. I wasn't aware primary. was involved in the invasion of provi, a roam or two yes, but hell who hasnt romaed in provi once, it was fun. Blue or not blue.
Liteshow Caldari The Leather Knights Opticon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.02 18:50:00 - [57] Shadow was part of Aegis Militia, one of the smaller CVA holders, till he successuflly took the executor position of the alliance and dropped all sov, effectively handing -A-/U'K 2 systems and killing the alliance. Then he jumped ship with his corp to join Primary and start all over... Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal
Dyntheos The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.03 12:50:00 - [58] Edited by: Dyntheos on 03/04/2010 12:52:29 Originally by: Liteshow Uninformed huh? Yeah, because I wasn't there for the first month of the failcascade that is CVA's current state, and the alliance I was (formerly) in wasn't preemptively dissolved under the ruling of the almighty Aralis's orders... Amusing. So CVA is to blame for the AM Sov drop? By the way, seems you really like that corner of space, as apparently you have allied with AAA/UK and are now attacking your former alliance.
Sarius Deteis The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.05 19:59:00 - [59] Originally by: Dyntheos Edited by: Dyntheos on 03/04/2010 12:52:29 Originally by: Liteshow Uninformed huh? Yeah, because I wasn't there for the first month of the failcascade that is CVA's current state, and the alliance I was (formerly) in wasn't preemptively dissolved under the ruling of the almighty Aralis's orders... Amusing. So CVA is to blame for the AM Sov drop? By the way, seems you really like that corner of space, as apparently you have allied with AAA/UK and are now attacking your former alliance. Fork users will do that Dyntheos, it is a sad state of affairs. Amarr Victory WTB 8 lowslot Inty
Flaming Lemming Caldari Puppeteer Press	Posted - 2010.04.05 20:55:00 - [60] Edited by: Flaming Lemming on 05/04/2010 21:04:49 . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death

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