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lasterax Minmatar Free Masons United Inc. Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2010.03.26 04:16:00 - [1] Heroes of Providence and Capsuleers of New Eden, Over the past few months Libertas Fidelitas, Curatores Veritatis and our Providence Holders allies have been engaged in a struggle -- a struggle over power and pride. Rather than bore you with all the fine details I'm certain you will have no interest in I will break it down to the simple facts. This struggle culminated in the now infamous Battle of D-G where hundreds of dreadnoughts were lost in part due to spatial anomalies. It was clear to me at that point that the war was over, we showed with our forces and we lost. It was an honorable fight, we tried our best, but quite clearly our fleet commanders weren't ready for the battlefield, our pilots weren't properly trained and our infrastructure was not properly aligned to provide for a victory in this war -- not now. At this point Against All Authorities' executor made his offer for peace and even included discussing expansion into other areas of Catch of less vital need to -A-. All that was needed to conclude this arrangement? Swear off attacking -A- sovereignty for the immediate future. To me, this was an offer that required little deliberation. We were being asked to give up what we had already proved as beyond our capacity -- waging a successful sovereignty war. In return we would realize the goals of the campaign before it started (acquiring space for the new Holders) and we would take the valuable experience we obtained from our failures in the campaign to build for the future. I stood up front and center, and proposed that we accept the deal and outlined my case for it much as I have just done for you now. Lord Aralis would have none of it. At this point much acrimony ripped through the Holders and within CVA as it was clear others shared my view but Lord Aralis made it clear what would happen to those who dared question his decision -- he would seek to undermine and destroy you. Since I dared speak, at the direction of my alliance mind you, we have endured our access to secure channels being revoked with no reason and no warning, Lord Aralis has attempted to foster not one but two coups within LFA and he has offered no plan to resolve the current situation other than a ridiculous Fabian Strategy to somehow wear down the will of a fleet of titans and a coalition of half the pod pilots in New Eden. Lord Aralis has lost any and all authority to govern Providence be that militarily or morally. He clearly has no military ability to govern Providence as entire systems have been lost swaths at a time with little to no response from CVA and entire alliances are chased from the region. My own constellation fell under attack and our calls for help were ignored. He has lost any moral ability to govern Providence as Lord Aralis has shown he has no patience for those who do not agree with him, he only wants slaves and slaves to do what he interprets as the will of the Empire. I say he has no such authority from the Empire as no leader would behave in such a matter towards those who spilled their blood for the Empire and Providence and showed nothing but the highest devotion to the cause. The hypocrisy of Lord Aralis knows no bounds as he claims CVA has no vassals or "pets". This is akin to him telling a man he need not stand in place, he just wasn't allowed to use his legs to move from it! As long as your allies are seen as nothing more than those who need to swear allegiance and follow your commands without question they are just that -- vassals and mere pets of Lord Aralis and his now imaginary empire. Lord Aralis should be commended for what was built in Providence but he has lost his way, lost his sight of the path, lost any grip on reality and lacks any understanding whatever of New Eden politics......
lasterax Minmatar Free Masons United Inc. Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2010.03.26 04:21:00 - [2] /continued... I call upon my fellow Holders and free residents of Providece to stand up, stand up and say this shall not pass; we will not be a party to tyrants and we stand for the true spirit of liberty in Providence. We will not be moved from our claimed systems and we consider any and all previous agreements null and void as Lord Aralis has violated the terms of that agreement by seeking to interfere in the internal affairs of our alliance as well as other Holders. Join us in forming a new coalition in Providence, one devoted to liberty and freedom -- not tyranny and servitude. We bear no malice towards any member of CVA and understand if you feel morally obligated to follow your leader. However I swear to you now that if we are left in peace we will not take up arms against you. We welcome in friendship those who will keep their word, respect our individual sorvereignty and work together as friends. But we will not stand for tyranny, we will not follow the orders of a tyrant and we will fight any who he sends against us to do his bidding. lasterax Executor Libertas Fidelitas
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.26 04:42:00 - [3] Well I suppose the writing's been on the wall for this one a while now. Originally by: lasterax I swear to you now that if we are left in peace we will not take up arms against you. So be it. In honor of LFA's service as Holders, we will ignore what constitutes slander of our Lord Aralis and acknowledge your declaration of independence and your declaration of peaceful intent. CVA will maintain neutral standings with Libertas Fidelitas.
EnvynLust	Posted - 2010.03.26 04:58:00 - [4] I look forward to fighting with, and against all of those who I have flown with so far.
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.03.26 08:11:00 - [5] Will LFA maintain NRDS ROE, and will they keep their RED list as it was?
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.26 08:24:00 - [6] When the ship sinks the rats flee? _______________________ We come for our people!
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.26 10:53:00 - [7] A brave step which does you credit. It's a shame it has taken this long. Originally by: lasterax He has lost any moral ability to govern Providence as Lord Aralis has shown he has no patience for those who do not agree with him, he only wants slaves and slaves to do what he interprets as the will of the Empire. I say he has no such authority from the Empire as no leader would behave in such a matter towards those who spilled their blood for the Empire and Providence and showed nothing but the highest devotion to the cause. I hope that one day this experience will lead you to actively opposing slavery in all its forms. _____________________ For Tribe and Honour!
Iva Posavec Posavec Innovations Takhar Matari	Posted - 2010.03.26 13:18:00 - [8] Edited by: Iva Posavec on 26/03/2010 13:18:14 Took longer than expected but still, better late than never. Aralis has harmed the people of Providence more than the so called terrorists ever did, and in such a short time. Hopefully others will follow in your example. . Alliance Creation Service
Seliah Minmatar Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.03.26 14:41:00 - [9] It's good to see some people finally opening their eyes. It doesn't absolve you for what you've done in the past, but it's definitely a huge step in the right direction. An era is coming to an end for the people of Providence, and I'm glad LFA seems to be learning from their mistakes and moving on, instead of desesperately trying to hold on to whatever's left of Providence as we've known it for the past 3 years. A question still stands though. By cutting all bridges with CVA and the rest of the Providence bloc, does LFA also renounce to all the ideals of CVA / the Amarrian empire / slavery ? Or you're just going to keep defending those ideals on your own ?
lasterax Minmatar Free Masons United Inc. Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2010.03.26 15:51:00 - [10] Edited by: lasterax on 26/03/2010 15:53:06 Edited by: lasterax on 26/03/2010 15:51:36 @Garreck - Thank you for acknowledging our position, we obviously disagree on the actions of Aralis, however every word about the actions of Aralis is true. One may interpret them differently but there is no question as to the actions taken. We consider many in CVA to be our brothers and are sorry it has come to this, but these high level disagreements cannot continue and we are hopeful you understand. @Mazca - We are maintaining an NRDS ROE, our standings will be our own and set by us. That is not written in stone, over the years we have had discussions about CVA's NRDS ROE, we may seek to make alterations to it and will announce any changes. @Stratio - We did take a long time to come to this decision, it was discussed for a long time. I felt it best to not do it at a time of heightened fleet operations. However, it was Aralis' latest actions (removing our access again and again calling on my CEOs to coup me) which led to this action. @Seliah - LFA is committed to being a secular alliance. We renounce slavery and all that it entails. There have been movements within the Empire to end slavery, we are hopeful the Empire will fully renounce slavery soon.
Julius Rigel	Posted - 2010.03.26 16:21:00 - [11] As a free spirit who roams the unbound and unbidden I have taken great pleasure in the relative freedom of Providence and was shocked to hear of the unpreparedness with which CVA "defended" their beloved home. To LFA, I wish you a home with real friends and real enemies. I wish you good luck and good times! And to CVA, it was agreeable while it lasted. Work hard, play (dead) hard.
Lyris Nairn Caldari Hashimoto Corporation	Posted - 2010.03.26 16:27:00 - [12] This is certainly an interesting development. I wonder if the enemies of CVA will respect the newfound neutral status of LFA. In either case, this bodes well for business.
Princess Morenta Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.03.26 16:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Lyris Nairn This is certainly an interesting development. I wonder if the enemies of CVA will respect the newfound neutral status of LFA. In either case, this bodes well for business. Considering they launched the attack and then bailed I doubt so.. They are just occupying space that should be rented :P
Lyris Nairn Caldari Hashimoto Corporation	Posted - 2010.03.26 17:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Princess Morenta Originally by: Lyris Nairn This is certainly an interesting development. I wonder if the enemies of CVA will respect the newfound neutral status of LFA. In either case, this bodes well for business. Considering they launched the attack and then bailed I doubt so.. They are just occupying space that should be rented :P As I stated, either eventuality bodes well for business. I am personally in no hurry to see hostilities end (war is good for business), but I would be quite happy to engage clients in relaxed commerce in Providence once they eventually do (peace is good for business). We shall see how things go in the coming weeks; meanwhile, Hashimoto investments continue to return tidy dividends because of this splendid little war.
Snakester Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.26 17:43:00 - [15] LOL, it was LFA that pushed for expansion in the 1st place ... always asking CVA if u could expand into catch ..... The previous CVA leader (who i won't utter his name) let u, saw what was happening then up and left, leaving Aralis to take back the reins. I for one commend his morals for not bowing to -A-'s demands and becoming another pet. The fight still goes on, just roles have switched, i guess u just want your space the way it was/is ... just different alliances rolling through it :). Sig removed, inappropriate link. ~Saint
Dogbeast Minmatar Darkwave Technologies Blade.	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:07:00 - [16] I lol'ed. An endless life, at an endless price.
tunt TOASTED Corp Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.03.26 20:16:00 - [17] Originally by: foksieloy When the ship sinks the rats flee? So true hahaha
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.26 22:16:00 - [18] Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 26/03/2010 22:18:37 Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 26/03/2010 22:16:37 Originally by: foksieloy When the ship sinks the rats flee? I hope I live long enough to see you burn like the minny dog you are lasterax. You cower and whimper like a spineless slave who has never gotten over his fears, and is indeed far from being enlightened. Of course its always CVA's fault. clearly. As CEO of TLOS I take full responsibility for my actions. I accept all blame for Everything that happens in providence. I accept the fact that we CVA and its allies bit off more than we were able too and indeed are being punished by God himself for our arrogance. I accept the fact that CVA may be in for a long road. You, however will be in for a much longer one. For while you sow dissention and try to divide our loyalties to one another, you only show why your alliance has fallen to numbers that make your rebellion that much more clever. I'd hoped you would come to your senses, but I suppose you just need more khumak beatings into your thick skull. Its only by Lord Aralis's calm mood and demeanor that I've not hunted your corpse for those foul words you speak of him. I suggest you watch your tongue before the goats decide to watch it for you. I do hope no one leans to trust on your alliance again. For it has shown its true colors. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun
Vigilanta	Posted - 2010.03.27 01:28:00 - [19] Are their plans to reform your ally, i say this cause you currently hover at 200 members... not gunna hold the lowest trusec of providence with that. And congrats for showing yourselves to be as spineless as I always thought you were. Hope your new master's don't whip you to hard :).
Stryus VanAedon	Posted - 2010.03.27 03:59:00 - [20] Lasterax Quote: Quote: Lord Aralis has lost any and all authority to govern Providence be that militarily or morally. I would recommend taking Lord Aralis's name out of the quote and inserting your own. YOU and only YOU are responsible for any and everything that happens to LFA. You brought this upon yourself with YOUR fail leadership. If would treat people the way you expected to be treated - you might have done better for yourself and your alliance. Instead, you decided to go down this route, eat Twinkies and now have to live with your actions. I hope you get podded on a regular basis and go to EVE HELL. Stryus VanAedon (former LFA member and LIFE LONG Enemy of Lasterax)
lasterax Minmatar Free Masons United Inc. Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2010.03.27 04:38:00 - [21] @ED You know I'm absolutely shocked that cries of cowardice and whatnot are coming at me as I am yet another who has announced he has parted ways. As CVA's communications are regularly intercepted virtually all of New Eden knows the treatment of warriors who disagree with the direction. The warriors, those who spent days on end planning and executing the failed invasion are labeled the cowards for not putting up with it any more. The ones who sat on the sidelines (not hard to find those), did little and complained much are there to taunt them. One wonders how a certain video parody being transmitted throughout New Eden came to be so close to the truth in that regard. One man who has clearly lost touch blames the warriors for the decisions he has made. If anything I waited too long to do this, maybe if I had firmly taken a stand instead of being cajoled to toe the company line I would have kept those corps that you're referring to. Perhaps if those corps had left to other Holders or elsewhere in Providence I would accept their leaving was because of me. However, since they didn't do that one can only conclude they were being honest when they gave the reasons to all of you that they were tired of the direction of Providence. So you can point the finger at me all you would like. You know who devised the plan to attack. You know who ordered it. You know who we were intending to take more space for. All three of those answers are "not LFA". Supporting slavery it is no wonder that you would support having your Holders as slaves. Not any more, not this Holder and even if I had two men left you would get the same reply.
D'agon Picard Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.27 07:31:00 - [22] maggot
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleet Yards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.27 11:52:00 - [23] As the saying goes: 'A coward boasting of his courage may deceive strangers, but he is a laughing-stock to those who know him.' -----
Neddy Fox Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2010.03.27 16:13:00 - [24] Edited by: Neddy Fox on 27/03/2010 16:15:14 Recording of the replies from a holder
Anaise d'Flaumond Phoenix Consortium On the Rocks	Posted - 2010.03.27 19:26:00 - [25] Good luck on your new future LFA!
edeity Amarr Holy Amarrian Battlemonk	Posted - 2010.03.28 03:11:00 - [26] Lasterax is a trustworthy and sensible man. Alas, sensible men, whilst able to live to fight another day in that very act lose what they have to fight for. Welcome to irrelevance. Aralis remains the greater man. A Journey
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.28 11:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Princess Morenta Originally by: Lyris Nairn This is certainly an interesting development. I wonder if the enemies of CVA will respect the newfound neutral status of LFA. In either case, this bodes well for business. Considering they launched the attack and then bailed I doubt so.. They are just occupying space that should be rented :P they went from blue to transparent status with CVA. All other standings are likely to be unchanged at this stage. recruiting -forum
EI Torrent	Posted - 2010.03.28 11:50:00 - [28] The only option they have left is to strike a deal with -A- to save their space (ie become a pet). Otherwise they'll be steamrolled just like the rest of provi. So much for being independent. But seriously, LFA has no PVP ability left whatsoever since 101st and Smegnet left. If I were you lasterax I would like pack up and call it a day. Save yourself from any more embarrassment.
Maleia Gallagher	Posted - 2010.03.29 05:33:00 - [29] I remember my days spent in LFA space fondly. Good luck, good hunting, and may you emerge from the growing conflicts stronger. :)
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Frontier Venture	Posted - 2010.03.29 07:02:00 - [30] The hate and anger from CVA directed at LFA is...is disturbing. Has CVA lost itself so much that allies must be rebuked and spit on? "maggot, coward", sheesh. This is not the proud CVA I once knew. I am greatly saddened by this. @Lasterax. I was once in your alliance a while ago. I wish you and your alliance the greatest of luck and safe flying. Its a pity that your allies say such things. Its a real pity... --Isaac A Paladin Without A Crusade... "You just can't fix stupid" Amarr Victor.
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.29 09:45:00 - [31] I think I will repeat some wise words I heard today: "Seems CVA found their Sylph." _______________________ We come for our people!
MILK Monk Knights of the Silver Dawn Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.29 10:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Isaac Starstriker The hate and anger from CVA directed at LFA is...is disturbing. Has CVA lost itself so much that allies must be rebuked and spit on? "maggot, coward", sheesh. This is not the proud CVA I once knew. I am greatly saddened by this. @Lasterax. I was once in your alliance a while ago. I wish you and your alliance the greatest of luck and safe flying. Its a pity that your allies say such things. Its a real pity... Hate and anger? I do not think so. Deep disappointment? YES! They betrayed us during hard times. They are not allies, if they would be allies, they would NOT left us when we need every pilot. Do not spin this situation as it would be our fault. It is LFA who left, CVA did not "kick" them. As lasterax say, we tried to bite. We were slapped as an answer. So far it is fair, but when LFA saw the power of AAA - and later their offending offer, actually spit in our face! - they started to think how great idea it is to let AAA dictate rules to CVA... if you still do not see the difference then lasterax did good job with his speech. I hope there is more pilots who do not fall to every propaganda speech like this... In the end, I wish to LFA (and I believe actually many other pilots in CVA too) the best in their future. But do not expect us to love them for what they did. __________________________________ I do it myyyy wayyyy... Milky Way.
Kali Shoumei Gallente British Federation Sleepless Knights Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.29 10:52:00 - [33] from sounds of it lfa thought the offer was worth taking so everyone could continue to enjoy life in providence and because they supported this idea aralis tried to organise a coup within lfa not once but twice that is pretty damn low if you ask me specially since it was for speaking up and saying how about we consider the offer and nothing else - lfa going there own way seems like a rather restrained responce
Rorin Cutter Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.29 15:14:00 - [34] Pacing my command deck, and wondering if I should, or should not answer this blatantly treacherous communiquT from our soon to be ex-neighbours, LFA. Reaching for the transmit button, and stabbing down with a vengeance. Lastereax, you are a wonderful example for a terrible neighbour, but of course this will be taken care of. You were handed that beautiful area of space by CVA and holders, and since then you have done your best to give it and your alliance a bad name, time and time again through your foolish decisions. This time my old friend, you have gone too far. Lord Aralis, has not lost his way, and neither have our holding allies and friends. You have lost your sense of belonging I think, or hope maybe? Regardless, you have in fact lost something à our trust in you! But of course everyone that lives in or around providence already knows this. A question for you Lasterax, what does a dog owner do when the family dog bites a family member? I have always believed that a responsible owner puts his dog down himself. You consider any and all agreements null and void? Nice to know, I consider you not worthy to be neutral, and of course no longer worthy to claim space in providence. I am sure Gods justice will be extracted! Amarr Victor! Releases the transmit button, sits back and thinks about good friends and traitorous unbelievers.
Borgh Brainbasher Path of Now and Forever	Posted - 2010.03.29 15:21:00 - [35] Edited by: Borgh Brainbasher on 29/03/2010 15:22:03 Important diplo question to the cva guys here: Does this mean you can freely pirate in lfa space or does it still fall under the Deliverance rules? not that I want to do so myself but I could see it being a nice repercussion for lfa bailing out on you in the time of need. If they want to do their own standings, well let themn i say. edit: spelling --- Warning: You are on the pvp only server.
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.03.29 15:26:00 - [36] Provibloc tried to invade AAA space. Provibloc failed in this endeavour. AAA invaded Providence, and it soon became clear that Provibloc was not up to the task of defending it. AAA offered Provibloc peace under some very reasonable terms. A lot of Provibloc wanted to accept. Its leadership were, however, either too proud, too stupid or both. The terms were not accepted. AAA continued attacking. Provibloc is crumbling. Whose fault is that, in the grand scheme of things? -----
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.29 15:47:00 - [37] Originally by: Isaac Starstriker The hate and anger from CVA directed at LFA is...is disturbing. tsk tsk Somebody didn't read the OP... Originally by: Andreus LeHane Whose fault is that, in the grand scheme of things? As ever, our fate is our responsibility.
Sarius Deteis The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.29 20:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Isaac Starstriker The hate and anger from CVA directed at LFA is...is disturbing. Has CVA lost itself so much that allies must be rebuked and spit on? "maggot, coward", sheesh. I wonder if you have understood anything that was said in the breaking news? LFA has decided that they do not want an alliance with CVA anymore, so how is it that CVA displays hate and anger towards our ally? I for one would like you to re-read the original broadcast. Goat pride, and Amarr Victor! Amarr Victory WTB 8 lowslot Inty
Liteshow Caldari The Leather Knights Opticon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.29 22:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Isaac Starstriker The hate and anger from CVA directed at LFA is...is disturbing. tsk tsk Somebody didn't read the OP... I did, and yet I still see a very emotional response from several CVA members. Yes, LFA decided to stop following the iron fist style rulings of CVA, but you have to admit, it's not like they vowed to join -A- or UK in the process. They just didn't like living under a set of unquestionable rules that caused a lot of turmoil long before the -A- invasion. While Aralis was mentioned directly in their causes for leaving, would you rather lax just skirt the issue to try not to hurt any feelings, or give his direct opinions on why the alliance between LFA and CVA wasn't working? Yes, he's leaving in a time of need. Yes, he didnt' like the way things are going in CVA or in Provi in general. But LFA wasn't the first to leave, and won't be the last while Provi burns. Just be glad they haven't openly joined the reds as so many have... So those that try to part on at least semi-good terms are regarded with this kind of respect: Originally by: D'agon Picard maggot Originally by: Tharrn As the saying goes: 'A coward boasting of his courage may deceive strangers, but he is a laughing-stock to those who know him.' Wow, I wonder why so many see CVA as the jackass in this whole ordeal. Maybe you (CVA) should leave your posting to those like Garreck who at least know the meaning of tact and try not to throw gasoline on burning bridges... Originally by: Garreck As ever, our fate is our responsibility. And whether LFA burns with Provi or somehow comes out intact is left to LFA, until someone does something stupid and drops sov, lol... Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal
Kozmic Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.30 07:00:00 - [40] Originally by: MILK Monk They are not allies, if they would be allies, they would NOT left us when we need every pilot. What for? Evacuation? Last minute ratting?
Vigilanta	Posted - 2010.03.30 07:50:00 - [41] Trying to save your constellation? think you are sol on that one. Way to stand with your team.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleet Yards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.30 08:53:00 - [42] Originally by: Liteshow uninformed blabbering I'll give you another quote: A half-truth is the most cowardly of lies Lasterax is a snake trying to put a wedge between our most benign Lord Aralis and the other holders, and as a snake he'll be treated. Well, what else can you expect from a Brutor? -----
Liteshow Caldari The Leather Knights Opticon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.30 14:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Liteshow uninformed blabbering I'll give you another quote: A half-truth is the most cowardly of lies Lasterax is a snake trying to put a wedge between our most benign Lord Aralis and the other holders, and as a snake he'll be treated. Well, what else can you expect from a Brutor? Uninformed huh? Yeah, because I wasn't there for the first month of the failcascade that is CVA's current state, and the alliance I was (formerly) in wasn't preemptively dissolved under the ruling of the almighty Aralis's orders... All in all, I suppose this rat jumped off the sinking dinghy that was still tied to the sinking ship long ago, and good riddance... Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.03.30 14:48:00 - [44] Originally by: Tharrn I'll give you another quote: A half-truth is the most cowardly of lies Lasterax is a snake trying to put a wedge between our most benign Lord Aralis and the other holders, and as a snake he'll be treated. Well, what else can you expect from a Brutor? I cannot express how gratifying it is, Tharrn, after all these years, to see Provibloc fall apart in such an acrimonious display of broken friendships, shattered alliances, hatred, racism, recriminations, accusations, sniping and bitterness. It would not be right for such a venerable institution to fade out silently - Provibloc falls not with a mere whimper or even a bang, but with a bone-jarring, earth-shaking crash, like a priceless porcelain vase tumbling from its stand to strike the floor and shatter into a thousand beautiful pieces. I've waited so very, very long for this. -----
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.03.30 16:30:00 - [45] Its not much of a surprise that a group used to taking commands from on high (Holders) would have no problem with those commands coming from a slightly different place or having the odd string or two added (the peace Providence agreement). Where as those who have long seen themselves at the top of the pecking order (CVA), and see it as their duty, nay Right! To cast down their orders to their sla.., I mean vassals (the Holders) would recoil at the idea and even demand their loyal, leashed pets be as offended at the idea of their noble masters being shackled like dogs. -------------------------------------------- SF Recruiting
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.30 16:58:00 - [46] Originally by: Andreus LeHane I've waited so very, very long for this. I cannot express how gratifying it is to see the number of naysayers who were apparently relegated to side-show waiting for CVA to come under duress. Surely we made our mark. I am pleased it was the mighty Southern Coallition who proved to be our undoing, not some spineless bench-sitter whose hatred and bitterness couldn't even manifest more action than hoping and waiting so "very very long" for our demise. Amarr Victor.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.30 17:26:00 - [47] Originally by: Liteshow I did, and yet I still see a very emotional response from several CVA members. I never meant to deny any sort of negative emotional outpouring. Allow me to clarify: In the original announcement, an organization who holds space entirely by virtue of agreeing to terms with CVA has stepped back from that agreement during a time when the agreement matters the most, during a time when they could demonstrate their worthiness to hold space; during their first true opportunity to do so, in fact. They gained space through no overt action, merely a promise to be there with us and for us, and they are attempting to retain that space by abandoning that promise. Yes...we're angry! It's silly to try to deny it and it is childish to make it a focal point for this discussion. Holders were an ideal, and the ideal was never primarily about space claimed and held. LFA have demonstrated clearly that they do not believe in that ideal. Shame on us for not judging them appropriately when it would have mattered. The ideal lives on and our mission continues in the face of any setback. We would press on without a single Holder left, and yet most Holders remain faithful (even those who have lost their space entirely.) With such allies and such faith, our current failures are temporary at worst.
Xyla Vulchanus Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.30 22:46:00 - [48] Originally by: Tharrn Lasterax is a snake trying to put a wedge between our most benign Lord Aralis and the other holders, and as a snake he'll be treated. Well, what else can you expect from a Brutor? "Benign" is certainly the perfect description, well phrased Tharn. Additionally, perhaps all the Brutor or even Minmatar loyalists to CVA and it's holders may want to consider the contempt for them that you reveal here, and act appropriately. We Come For Our People (and your systems)
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Primary.	Posted - 2010.03.31 01:14:00 - [49] I am surprised the direction Lasterax is going in now. Please let me explain. Having been directly involved in LFA leadership for over a year, and also being privy to insider info during our time in AM / Prov, i also knew Lasterax to be a sly politician. Gaining power and staying in power were really his only concerns. In an effort to expand his power, he wanted to take systems outside of Providence. While to outsiders this may have appeared to be a logical move for Providence, his ambitions were purely selfish in nature. He then, after realizing that AAA called upon all of their friends to counter attack, tried making a deal with enemies we have fought against for years. Frankly I think he did indeed make such a deal, as LFA is the only alliance in all of Providence NOT to be attacked. From the day I talked to Lasterax, i always was cautious of his true intentions. Those intentions are for personal benefit, not for the furthering of Operation Deliverance. His treachery to his brothers and sisters in Providence did not go unnoticed however, as every major corp in LFA ( having been loyal corps in Providence for years ) fled to other pastures. Apparently backstabbing their friends wasnt sitting well with those corps at all. You reap what you sow Lasterax. Instead of sticking by CVA and Holders, you tried to "save" LFA from the terrible AAA. Now, your alliance is a shell of its former self and has all but been branded traitor by Providence Alliances. May you die a traitors death, and my your name live in history forever. Clarification: My dedication to my career and family have forced me to pull HROLT out of Providence, our pilots were also in need of a temporary reprieve from the backstabbing that was occurring from "loyal" corps in some of Providence. Case in point...
Vincent Death Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.03.31 08:37:00 - [50] Quote: Join us in forming a new coalition in Providence, one devoted to liberty and freedom -- not tyranny and servitude. Is this a renounciation of slavery?
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleet Yards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.31 10:28:00 - [51] Originally by: Andreus LeHane AAA offered Provibloc peace under some very reasonable terms. A lot of Provibloc wanted to accept. Its leadership were, however, either too proud, too stupid or both. Oh, I missed this gem. One could also say the leadership hasn't sold it's backbone for some space. I am glad and proud to have the leadership we have and back the decisions made without a shade of doubt. I am also proud to call those Holders, corporations and individuals that didn't jump ship at the first sign of trouble allies and friends. It was god's will to see us tested and some failed the test. They have been weighed and they have been found lacking. -----
CONQUERINGAZ The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.03.31 14:16:00 - [52] Originally by: ShadowandLight Edited by: ShadowandLight on 31/03/2010 08:32:33 I am surprised the direction Lasterax is going in now. Please let me explain. Having been directly involved in LFA leadership for over a year, and also being privy to insider info during our time in AM / Prov, i also knew Lasterax to be a sly politician. Gaining power and staying in power were really his only concerns. In an effort to expand his power, he wanted to take systems outside of Providence. While to outsiders this may have appeared to be a logical move for Providence, his ambitions were purely selfish in nature. He then, after realizing that AAA called upon all of their friends to counter attack, tried making a deal with enemies we have fought against for years. Frankly I think he did indeed make such a deal, as LFA is the only alliance in all of Providence NOT to be attacked. From the day I talked to Lasterax, i always was cautious of his true intentions. Those intentions are for personal benefit, not for the furthering of Operation Deliverance. His treachery to his brothers and sisters in Providence did not go unnoticed however, as every major corp in LFA ( having been loyal corps in Providence for years ) fled to other pastures. Apparently backstabbing their friends wasnt sitting well with those corps at all. You reap what you sow Lasterax. Instead of sticking by CVA and Holders, you tried to "save" LFA from the terrible AAA. Now, your alliance is a shell of its former self and has all but been branded traitor by Providence Alliances. May you die a traitors death, and my your name live in history forever. Hypocrit much? ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Primary. I bolded the funny part. I don't think i need to go into the thread on cva's private forum about how people were happy to see you leave. As for lasterax, he is a chill guy who was elbowed too many times by cva leadership. If i were him, I would have done much more "terrible" things immediately after d-g capital graveyard. As for a point on the greater view, the strategy of minimizing losses seems to be a good theory in practice (if done correctly), but in this case, it has caused bickering, desertion, and "betrayal." There is even harsh disagreement among holders about a possible holder merger into a super alliance. The comms that have previously been used for information discussion have turned to a place of banter and criticism that metagamers can poke fun at all day long. One could say it is almost an"arhc"y.
Major Templar Caldari KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.31 16:56:00 - [53] Originally by: CONQUERINGAZ Originally by: ShadowandLight Edited by: ShadowandLight on 31/03/2010 08:32:33 I am surprised the direction Lasterax is going in now. Please let me explain. Having been directly involved in LFA leadership for over a year, and also being privy to insider info during our time in AM / Prov, i also knew Lasterax to be a sly politician. Gaining power and staying in power were really his only concerns. In an effort to expand his power, he wanted to take systems outside of Providence. While to outsiders this may have appeared to be a logical move for Providence, his ambitions were purely selfish in nature. He then, after realizing that AAA called upon all of their friends to counter attack, tried making a deal with enemies we have fought against for years. Frankly I think he did indeed make such a deal, as LFA is the only alliance in all of Providence NOT to be attacked. From the day I talked to Lasterax, i always was cautious of his true intentions. Those intentions are for personal benefit, not for the furthering of Operation Deliverance. His treachery to his brothers and sisters in Providence did not go unnoticed however, as every major corp in LFA ( having been loyal corps in Providence for years ) fled to other pastures. Apparently backstabbing their friends wasnt sitting well with those corps at all. You reap what you sow Lasterax. Instead of sticking by CVA and Holders, you tried to "save" LFA from the terrible AAA. Now, your alliance is a shell of its former self and has all but been branded traitor by Providence Alliances. May you die a traitors death, and my your name live in history forever. Hypocrit much? ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Primary. I bolded the funny part. I don't think i need to go into the thread on cva's private forum about how people were happy to see you leave. You weren't the first to see this, I for one looked at it and had a good Lulz. @Shadow. Look at yourself, seriously, you left AM long before Lasterax made this announcement to everyone. You betrayed Holders long before he left. I say left because he did not betray anyone. He said, that he will not be hostile to anyone unless they are first hostile to him. You however turned and went to one of the very alliances that are in Providence attacking Holders. This of course is my opinion and not that of my corporation or alliance. Major Templar Head of Armed Forces Kings Of Eden Sev3rance
Dogbeast Minmatar Darkwave Technologies Blade.	Posted - 2010.03.31 17:56:00 - [54] Edited by: Dogbeast on 31/03/2010 17:57:34 Originally by: ShadowandLight blah blah blah... LoL. The guy who lead a coup de'tat in AM and caused so much hatred within its ranks, calling others dishonorable. ---------------------------- An endless life, at an endless price.
Liteshow Caldari The Leather Knights Opticon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.31 19:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Liteshow I did, and yet I still see a very emotional response from several CVA members. I never meant to deny any sort of negative emotional outpouring. Allow me to clarify: In the original announcement, an organization who holds space entirely by virtue of agreeing to terms with CVA has stepped back from that agreement during a time when the agreement matters the most, during a time when they could demonstrate their worthiness to hold space; during their first true opportunity to do so, in fact. They gained space through no overt action, merely a promise to be there with us and for us, and they are attempting to retain that space by abandoning that promise. Yes...we're angry! It's silly to try to deny it and it is childish to make it a focal point for this discussion. Holders were an ideal, and the ideal was never primarily about space claimed and held. LFA have demonstrated clearly that they do not believe in that ideal. Shame on us for not judging them appropriately when it would have mattered. The ideal lives on and our mission continues in the face of any setback. We would press on without a single Holder left, and yet most Holders remain faithful (even those who have lost their space entirely.) With such allies and such faith, our current failures are temporary at worst. Frankly, I wasn't including you in the group of emotional responses Garreck. You seemed to be the most level headed in this situation (and still are). It was the more childish responses I was referring to, and meant no di srespect to you. I think this whole ordeal has gotten out of hand in that all these outsiders (myself included since LKNT's retreat, I suppose) feel the need to put in their snide little remarks an matters that don't really concern them. Having just pointed this out, any other point I had in mind seems moot, so I'll just disappear back into the the mass of torches and pitchforks yelling from empire... Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal
FreedomCalls	Posted - 2010.04.02 07:53:00 - [56] Originally by: Major Templar Originally by: CONQUERINGAZ Originally by: ShadowandLight Edited by: ShadowandLight on 31/03/2010 08:32:33 I am surprised the direction Lasterax is going in now. Please let me explain. Having been directly involved in LFA leadership for over a year, and also being privy to insider info during our time in AM / Prov, i also knew Lasterax to be a sly politician. Gaining power and staying in power were really his only concerns. In an effort to expand his power, he wanted to take systems outside of Providence. While to outsiders this may have appeared to be a logical move for Providence, his ambitions were purely selfish in nature. He then, after realizing that AAA called upon all of their friends to counter attack, tried making a deal with enemies we have fought against for years. Frankly I think he did indeed make such a deal, as LFA is the only alliance in all of Providence NOT to be attacked. From the day I talked to Lasterax, i always was cautious of his true intentions. Those intentions are for personal benefit, not for the furthering of Operation Deliverance. His treachery to his brothers and sisters in Providence did not go unnoticed however, as every major corp in LFA ( having been loyal corps in Providence for years ) fled to other pastures. Apparently backstabbing their friends wasnt sitting well with those corps at all. You reap what you sow Lasterax. Instead of sticking by CVA and Holders, you tried to "save" LFA from the terrible AAA. Now, your alliance is a shell of its former self and has all but been branded traitor by Providence Alliances. May you die a traitors death, and my your name live in history forever. Hypocrit much? ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Primary. I bolded the funny part. I don't think i need to go into the thread on cva's private forum about how people were happy to see you leave. You weren't the first to see this, I for one looked at it and had a good Lulz. @Shadow. Look at yourself, seriously, you left AM long before Lasterax made this announcement to everyone. You betrayed Holders long before he left. I say left because he did not betray anyone. He said, that he will not be hostile to anyone unless they are first hostile to him. You however turned and went to one of the very alliances that are in Providence attacking Holders. This of course is my opinion and not that of my corporation or alliance. I wasn't aware primary. was involved in the invasion of provi, a roam or two yes, but hell who hasnt romaed in provi once, it was fun. Blue or not blue.
Liteshow Caldari The Leather Knights Opticon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.02 18:50:00 - [57] Shadow was part of Aegis Militia, one of the smaller CVA holders, till he successuflly took the executor position of the alliance and dropped all sov, effectively handing -A-/U'K 2 systems and killing the alliance. Then he jumped ship with his corp to join Primary and start all over... Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal
Dyntheos The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.03 12:50:00 - [58] Edited by: Dyntheos on 03/04/2010 12:52:29 Originally by: Liteshow Uninformed huh? Yeah, because I wasn't there for the first month of the failcascade that is CVA's current state, and the alliance I was (formerly) in wasn't preemptively dissolved under the ruling of the almighty Aralis's orders... Amusing. So CVA is to blame for the AM Sov drop? By the way, seems you really like that corner of space, as apparently you have allied with AAA/UK and are now attacking your former alliance.
Sarius Deteis The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.05 19:59:00 - [59] Originally by: Dyntheos Edited by: Dyntheos on 03/04/2010 12:52:29 Originally by: Liteshow Uninformed huh? Yeah, because I wasn't there for the first month of the failcascade that is CVA's current state, and the alliance I was (formerly) in wasn't preemptively dissolved under the ruling of the almighty Aralis's orders... Amusing. So CVA is to blame for the AM Sov drop? By the way, seems you really like that corner of space, as apparently you have allied with AAA/UK and are now attacking your former alliance. Fork users will do that Dyntheos, it is a sad state of affairs. Amarr Victory WTB 8 lowslot Inty
Flaming Lemming Caldari Puppeteer Press	Posted - 2010.04.05 20:55:00 - [60] Edited by: Flaming Lemming on 05/04/2010 21:04:49 . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death
Dagrin RDM Caldari The Leather Knights Opticon Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.05 21:04:00 - [61] Edited by: Dagrin RDM on 05/04/2010 22:24:33 Originally by: Dyntheos Edited by: Dyntheos on 03/04/2010 12:52:29 Originally by: Liteshow Uninformed huh? Yeah, because I wasn't there for the first month of the failcascade that is CVA's current state, and the alliance I was (formerly) in wasn't preemptively dissolved under the ruling of the almighty Aralis's orders... Amusing. So CVA is to blame for the AM Sov drop? By the way, seems you really like that corner of space, as apparently you have allied with AAA/UK and are now attacking your former alliance. Well, since Shadow is the one who dropped sov, I'd say the direct fault lies with him. However, as he was acting (or claims he was acting) under the aegis of (Lord) Aralis, at least some blame lies in that direction. And, as much as it pains me to say, Aegis Militia died at the hands of Shadowandlight. What is left is but a shadow of the reality that once was...which is also partly the fault of (Lord) Aralis..for the reason I mentioned above. I look back with fondness and pride on my time in Aegis Militia, and as a Holder...but that time of my life is past, and it is time to look forward. I salute those who, although once friends, are now enemies. I bear you no malice, and will kill and die without hatred. Respect to friend and foe alike, and may our battles be glorious. YES OR NO: Due to the increased risk and logistics effort required, 0.0 should be more - not as - profitable (in raw isk/h) t
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.04.07 00:40:00 - [62] Providence is like one big fat prostitute !!, pilots jumping from bed to bed with the highest bidder . CVA is the old retired Madame , with the new girl on the corner being U'K . Lets see who's bed they all jump to next when U'K isnt the highest bidder . Providence alliances aint dead , they all just joined U'K !!, its the way of the weak & the spineless . And guaranteed theyl'l do it again when U'K is in the same predicament as CVA is today .
Vaari Amarr Imperial Pharmacy	Posted - 2010.04.08 07:16:00 - [63] Altough Lasterax is an idiot, he is not alone when we must find on those who are guilty of expanding Project Deliverance. Fine expansion it was as we all see. Instead of gaining more living space, wich we never needed, we lost everything. Everything is consumed by the dark devastation the heathen brought us. Over 3 years i told you all you need also spiritual guidance. Official spiritual guidance. Someone who can inspect your plans outside the context of military and economic needs. Of course there were no need of that, since "mighty Lord Aralis can foresee every outcome." Someone told me that. He did not see this? If he did, he is clearly a traitor and must be exterminated. Altough im driven off the Providence, Im still the archbishob of the Church of the Providence. I will keep the light of the faith shining the best i can. It is sad how poor leaders can destoroy everything. Someone likes to blame AAA and their servants alone, but they were invited in our home by the bad decisions made by some of the leaders of the Holder Alliances. Those leaders share AAA's crimes. This beginning. This birth of life. This dawn of greatness. I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow. undefined
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.08 09:40:00 - [64] Originally by: Conlin Providence is like one big fat prostitute !!, pilots jumping from bed to bed with the highest bidder . CVA is the old retired Madame , with the new girl on the corner being U'K . Lets see who's bed they all jump to next when U'K isnt the highest bidder . Providence alliances aint dead , they all just joined U'K !!, its the way of the weak & the spineless . And guaranteed theyl'l do it again when U'K is in the same predicament as CVA is today . lol why does it matter to you. You think just because you jumped off the boat when the warfare style changed from roaming providence to conquering it (less fun shooting defenseless haulers, more work, cooperation and discipline) ,youre in the position to judge? You jumped on that prostitude often enoufgh yourself. Now youre out of viagra, and you vent your frustration our way. I dont think thats fair. Or has ISD hired you as a stand up comedian now? That would explain something.
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.04.08 13:58:00 - [65] Zool !! ... think first before opening that gargantuan trap of yours son !!. What has Roaming & Haulers got to do with 11B leaving U'K ,due to the huge insurgence of Provi joining U'K , amongst a few other things ?. I dont remember U'K being a fat prostitute jumping from the highest bidder before its greed for isk , or is the verbal diarrhoea clouding your vision ?. Explain yourself what it is your trying to say , without sounding like a hamster on steroids , all those provis are rubbing off on you my old son . Remember the old days when U'K had standards ?, thats what l,m talking about .... what are you ?.
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.09 11:45:00 - [66] It pains me to see that the respected skirmish warfare alliance, Ushra'Khan, who had lead some of the best guerilla raiding gangs into the heart of CVA owned Providence, completing several successful incursions into slaver space daily, now dismisses such activities as "hauler ganking" To me a Guerilla Warfare gangs require more discipline, courage, skill and ability than being part of a large collection of pilots fighting against a weaker, outnumbered opponent. I mean most of the success of the battles they wage happens before the fight even begins, logistics, diplomacy, and leadership decide the outcome more than the hundreds of peons who simply need to target and activate their weapons on who they are told. Aside from maybe Interdictors, Covert Ops, and Fleet Commanding, and a few other niche roles, there is very little expected from a capsuleer other than "not to be a ******". ---
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.10 08:12:00 - [67] Edited by: Black Necris on 10/04/2010 08:14:26 Conlin, as much as i respect you, i must say that i think you are wrong in many ways, the objective is liberating the slaves, has been all the time. Remember? Freedom to the sons of Matar? Death to slavers? you do remember that don't you? If you do please then explain me whats wrong about destroying an organization which goal is to expand the Amarr empire, and with it slavery. We are not only retaking Unity station, the beacon of freedom, we are liberating a whole region from the claws of slavers and making their former allies renounce their ways, turning their backs on slavery. Don't you see how many people that used to believe in the vision CVA had, now sees them for what they really are? how many of those peoples will continue to support slavery now? Ushra'Khan is in the verge of giving a giant step forward in a job we set to do long ago, and that job wasn't to harass the slavers operations, nor to terrorize the ones that supported them, the goal is and has always been the freedom of the sons of Matar and the end of slavery in any way or fashion. You need to remember that we are the Ushra'Khan and we do come for our people... edit: some of my many typos "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."*
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.10 09:04:00 - [68] I suppose that is why you are nbsi, not to terrorize random neutrals, but to free slaves. How exactly does that work?
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.10 09:29:00 - [69] Originally by: Suitonia It pains me to see that the respected skirmish warfare alliance, Ushra'Khan, who had lead some of the best guerilla raiding gangs into the heart of CVA owned Providence, completing several successful incursions into slaver space daily, now dismisses such activities as "hauler ganking" It's about context and goals. There was a time when UK was impotent against the numbers of the ProvidenceBloc, all we could do was guerilla warfare - so we did it. We never set out to be a guerilla warfare alliance, we did that because it was the most effective way of hurting Providence that we had at our disposal... at that time. Territorial warfare would have bee suicidal. So we waited, we gathered our strength, we made powerful friends. Through patience and utter dedication, we reached a point where we could capitalise on CVA's fatal errors of judgements and throw everything we could to remove CVA from Providence with AAA. People said we would get bored, they said our numbers would drop. They didn't. We still raise impressive fleets, day after day, despite doing this now for several weeks at all hours of the day. Our dedication and resolve speak for themselves. They are the true qualities of an alliance. Those who suggest we should still be roaming around in solo vagabonds when there are stations to siege... they are the ones who need a reality check. We've adapted, improved, and we're winning the battle. But the war goes on. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.11 08:45:00 - [70] Originally by: Furb Killer I suppose that is why you are nbsi, not to terrorize random neutrals, but to free slaves. How exactly does that work? Its quite simple actually, we are not NBSI, we are NRDS. Although, (and this had been discussed to eternity) we CURRENTLY operate NBSI on the regions of Catch & Providence. The reason is also simple: You support slavery in ANY way, then you are our enemy. If you declare yourself CVA friendly, then you are guilty by association to the crimes that CVA commits versus the Minmatar people, hence you are a target. "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.11 09:36:00 - [71] As U'K council member, I look forward to declining all the applications we're going to get from people whom may return someday when the roaming resumes after the on-going sov war. They weren't here to endure pulling the big load so they can burn in hell. It won't accomplish much, but I will feel really good. And I like feeling good!
Lord Zekk 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.11 10:52:00 - [72] LFA going off on their own seems to make complete sense. All the pilots in New Eden share the opinion that whoever was responsible for rejecting AAA's proposal is a fool and far too proud. Even if LFA instigated the action against AAA, that really is not the issue. The strength of AAA was underestimated and a price was paid for that. However, when it was clear that AAA could crush any resistance in Providence and they offered peace, only a fool would turn the offer down. One mistake was made, the second one was clearly avoidable and far more obvious. A mark of a good leader is being able to swallow his pride and do what is best for the subjects he rules. If my allies attempted to overthrow my corporation's leadership in order to replace it with one that would be more obedient, my response would not be as kind as LFA's. We are recruiting. http://www.22ndbrdu.com In game channel: Arta-X
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.11 11:29:00 - [73] Originally by: Black Necris Originally by: Furb Killer I suppose that is why you are nbsi, not to terrorize random neutrals, but to free slaves. How exactly does that work? Its quite simple actually, we are not NBSI, we are NRDS. Although, (and this had been discussed to eternity) we CURRENTLY operate NBSI on the regions of Catch & Providence. The reason is also simple: You support slavery in ANY way, then you are our enemy. If you declare yourself CVA friendly, then you are guilty by association to the crimes that CVA commits versus the Minmatar people, hence you are a target. Yes yes we all know you are nbsi where you operate, so you are nbsi. But you still failed in explaining me how a random minmatar capsuleer ratting in catch is exactly supporting slavery, and how you are helping any slaves by killing him.
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.04.11 11:37:00 - [74] Originally by: Lord Zekk Even if LFA instigated the action against AAA, that really is not the issue. The strength of AAA was underestimated and a price was paid for that. However, when it was clear that AAA could crush any resistance in Providence and they offered peace, only a fool would turn the offer down. One mistake was made, the second one was clearly avoidable and far more obvious. Only a fool would accept such an insult. The war continues. It's just not necessarily in Providence any more.
Xyla Vulchanus Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.11 12:17:00 - [75] Originally by: Xina Tutor Only a fool would accept such an insult. The war continues. It's just not necessarily in Providence any more. Interesting viewpoint - I am yet to understand what is foolish about keeping all of your space instead of losing all of it. See, a proper leader would put the good of his alliance before his own pride. However, I could also understand a principled stance of going down fighting in a blaze of glory, all hands to the pump, sending out a message to the universe that "you may beat us, but we'll give you a hell of a lot of problems while you're doing it". But what I cannot understand, (as the final CVA stations in Providence are taken from them, never to be returned), is a stance of provoking a massive action against yourself and your allies before turning tail and running away without defending any of your assets. CVA has simply shown everyone that in the modern New Eden; arrogance + incompetence + delusion + cowardice = loss of all space. Where is this war you speak of? I haven't seen it. All I've seen is rats jumping from a sinking ship, Provi-bloc pilots disappearing, fleeing to other space or even joining the Amarrian militia, just when their alliances need them most. The war is over - in truth, it never really began. We Come For Our People (and your systems)
Tizian Enel Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.11 12:26:00 - [76] Originally by: Furb Killer But you still failed in explaining me how a random minmatar capsuleer ratting in catch is exactly supporting slavery, and how you are helping any slaves by killing him. Firstly, very few capsuleers are actual slaves. Quite a lot of the debate in defense of the slavers' NRDS revolves around that and completely forgets about the non-capsuleers. Anyway: 1) Random pilot bases out in Catch. Since the nearest entry into Catch isn't (and wasn't) controlled by Provibloc and since random pilots do not (currently) have docking rights in non-provibloc stations it is likely the random pilot is in fact docking at Provibloc stations. Those stations have a docking fee for 'random pilots' not otherwise associated. * 2) If the random pilot does any sort of trading in Provibloc area, they are providing either isk or materials to Provibloc. Currently it is very hard for them to trade in non-provibloc stations. 3) If the pilot reprocesses or refines materials in the area, they are being taxed for it by Provibloc. 4) If the pilot is in fact fighting against Provibloc they only need to inform us about it, with some sort of proof, to get off our target list. It's no secret we operate in the area and I would assume anyone specifically targeting Provibloc only would know it. These people could even use CVA KOS checker to find out we operate in the area and aren't part of their bloc. 5) If the pilot does none of the above, the pilot is still useful to Provibloc as a statistic of "This many neutral pilots are active daily in our areas. More people should join!". Not to mention not taking action against slavers is deplorable to begin with. Given the above, I'd like to hear of a scenario where a neutral pilot is in fact not benefiting the slaver regime in some way. I'll admit if such a mythical neutral pilot really exists and we killed him we wouldn't help slaves. If I'm forced to find out a positive benefit... it would add to the 'ships destroyed' statistic for the area and possibly turn a not-really-neutral pilot away from the region. * Star Fraction station is open to neutrals (to them) at the moment as far as I know, but isn't really relevant to the discussion about why U'K has so far been operating NBSI in the regions. As has been mentioned, the regions are in a transition and rules of engagement are quite likely to change. It would only confuse everyone if the ROE was changed every time a system changed hands.
Vaari Amarr Imperial Pharmacy	Posted - 2010.04.11 12:30:00 - [77] Originally by: Xina Tutor Originally by: Lord Zekk Even if LFA instigated the action against AAA, that really is not the issue. The strength of AAA was underestimated and a price was paid for that. However, when it was clear that AAA could crush any resistance in Providence and they offered peace, only a fool would turn the offer down. One mistake was made, the second one was clearly avoidable and far more obvious. Only a fool would accept such an insult. The war continues. It's just not necessarily in Providence any more. You are wrong little miss. We all were sacrificed on the altar of selfish pride. Leaders who started the war against AAA and then rejected their offer are no less criminals than those who burned the Providence. This beginning. This birth of life. This dawn of greatness. I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow. undefined
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.11 12:39:00 - [78] Edited by: Furb Killer on 11/04/2010 12:40:43 Originally by: Tizian Enel Originally by: Furb Killer But you still failed in explaining me how a random minmatar capsuleer ratting in catch is exactly supporting slavery, and how you are helping any slaves by killing him. Firstly, very few capsuleers are actual slaves. Quite a lot of the debate in defense of the slavers' NRDS revolves around that and completely forgets about the non-capsuleers. Anyway: 1) Random pilot bases out in Catch. Since the nearest entry into Catch isn't (and wasn't) controlled by Provibloc and since random pilots do not (currently) have docking rights in non-provibloc stations it is likely the random pilot is in fact docking at Provibloc stations. Those stations have a docking fee for 'random pilots' not otherwise associated. * 2) If the random pilot does any sort of trading in Provibloc area, they are providing either isk or materials to Provibloc. Currently it is very hard for them to trade in non-provibloc stations. 3) If the pilot reprocesses or refines materials in the area, they are being taxed for it by Provibloc. 4) If the pilot is in fact fighting against Provibloc they only need to inform us about it, with some sort of proof, to get off our target list. It's no secret we operate in the area and I would assume anyone specifically targeting Provibloc only would know it. These people could even use CVA KOS checker to find out we operate in the area and aren't part of their bloc. 5) If the pilot does none of the above, the pilot is still useful to Provibloc as a statistic of "This many neutral pilots are active daily in our areas. More people should join!". Not to mention not taking action against slavers is deplorable to begin with. Given the above, I'd like to hear of a scenario where a neutral pilot is in fact not benefiting the slaver regime in some way. I'll admit if such a mythical neutral pilot really exists and we killed him we wouldn't help slaves. If I'm forced to find out a positive benefit... it would add to the 'ships destroyed' statistic for the area and possibly turn a not-really-neutral pilot away from the region. * Star Fraction station is open to neutrals (to them) at the moment as far as I know, but isn't really relevant to the discussion about why U'K has so far been operating NBSI in the regions. As has been mentioned, the regions are in a transition and rules of engagement are quite likely to change. It would only confuse everyone if the ROE was changed every time a system changed hands. Star fraction station is open to neutrals? Which station? And honestly, this is the worst reason ever invented to take nbsi. Just say you want easy kills if you want them. What you are telling me is that if a random rookie decided to go to catch to rat, and since he doesnt have docking rights (which is bad according to SF but never stopped them from napping you to kill the ebil holders who do give neuts docking rights), there is a chance he is based from providence. Since this random neutral who is ratting in catch might once have been in providence, you shoot him. Why not go fully nbsi then? Neuts in other places also might have once been in providence, and since the chance that a neut has once been in providence is enough to shoot him, you can pretty much shoot everyone (and knowing you still call it nrds). And all that after you admit that the nearest entrance into catch is(/was) in fact not controlled by holders, so most likely he has never been in providence.
Tizian Enel Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.11 12:58:00 - [79] Edited by: Tizian Enel on 11/04/2010 13:01:01 Originally by: Furb Killer Star fraction station is open to neutrals? Which station? Don't SF hold YWSO-Z? It's in Providence and I did mention it's irrelevant for this discussion about our NBSI (which has existed way before SF had that station). Originally by: Furb Killer What you are telling me is that if a random rookie decided to go to catch to rat, and since he doesnt have docking rights (which is bad according to SF but never stopped them from napping you to kill the ebil holders who do give neuts docking rights), there is a chance he is based from providence. Since this random neutral who is ratting in catch might once have been in providence, you shoot him. Why not go fully nbsi then? Neuts in other places also might have once been in providence, and since the chance that a neut has once been in providence is enough to shoot him, you can pretty much shoot everyone (and knowing you still call it nrds). And all that after you admit that the nearest entrance into catch is(/was) in fact not controlled by holders, so most likely he has never been in providence. The assumption was that since using NBSI space for travel to empire would be really foolish they would indeed travel through Providence. IF they do not dock on the way, they would still contribute to point 5. Traveling such long distances (or through the NBSI areas) makes keeping supplied with ammo for most types of ships problematic to say the least. Hauling loot is right out of the question, diminishing profits to be made. Also, why would such a pilot travel through Providence to rat in the Provibloc held area of Catch when those systems aren't better for bounty hunting than areas found in the "safer" Providence. If the pilot travels through NBSI space, why would he choose the Provibloc held areas and travel through NBSI space.. when there are better regions for bounty hunting that they also need to take all precautions that come with NBSI. I admit such pilots could exist in theory, but I have never heard of one existing in reality. There are random pilots entering through wormholes, but these don't count as "random pilot ratting in Catch". Regarding Star Fraction, I'll quote from their public 'frequently asked questions' section of their public portal: Originally by: Political Philosophy of The Star Fraction Will you attack all territorial alliances? No. Only those those that bring hostility to us and are completely unreachable by diplomatic and philosophical conversation from the dead-end street of xenophobic territorialism; there is much value in debating political paradigms with the leaders of alliances. We believe have good arguments and persuasive military and economic heft to employ in such debates. The freespace, posthumanist geist is a powerful force in and of itself. The case also exists for focusing your power on one goal at a time and achieving it instead of focusing on everything your philosophy tells you to be concerned about and achieving nothing.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.11 13:28:00 - [80] Protip: I realise holders did a good job at putting down stations everywhere, but just because a system is in providence doesnt always mean it has a station. Quote: The assumption was that since using NBSI space for travel to empire would be really foolish they would indeed travel through Providence. IF they do not dock on the way, they would still contribute to point 5. Traveling such long distances (or through the NBSI areas) makes keeping supplied with ammo for most types of ships problematic to say the least. Hauling loot is right out of the question, diminishing profits to be made. Also, why would such a pilot travel through Providence to rat in the Provibloc held area of Catch when those systems aren't better for bounty hunting than areas found in the "safer" Providence. But they are quieter. Tbh you deserve some recognition for most ****ed up reasoning in this topic. So you are saying because you shoot every neut who try to enter catch, the survivers will have come via providence, so you shoot every neut trying to enter catch. That is uhm, creative reasoning. And since your space is nbsi, no neutral should want to be there, so every neutral who is there is spy, so you should be nbsi. You got some impressive circle reasoning going on there.
Tizian Enel Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.11 13:50:00 - [81] Edited by: Tizian Enel on 11/04/2010 13:56:15 Originally by: Furb Killer Protip: I realise holders did a good job at putting down stations everywhere, but just because a system is in providence doesnt always mean it has a station. Made a bit of a fool of myself there then, could have sworn the system had a station. But that just makes it even more irrelevant. Originally by: Furb Killer Tbh you deserve some recognition for most ****ed up reasoning in this topic. So you are saying because you shoot every neut who try to enter catch, the survivers will have come via providence, so you shoot every neut trying to enter catch. That is uhm, creative reasoning. And since your space is nbsi, no neutral should want to be there, so every neutral who is there is spy, so you should be nbsi. You got some impressive circle reasoning going on there. Tempting.. can't resist so I'll reply in kind. Protip: Against All Authorities controls the space needed to travel through. They are not NRDS, and wouldn't be even if Ushra'Khan was. My reasoning wasn't circular. When I mentioned "neutral" spies I meant the ones working for our side. I understood the discussion was specifically about Provibloc held areas and why would we kill neutrals there. Also remember that Ushra'Khan didn't hold any space in either Providence or Catch when the decision was made to make them free fire zones, and the space we got from AAA and could only be reached through their sovereign space. Ushra'Khan gets bashed for being NBSI in Providence and Catch and also for our future NRDS plans for the regions because of AAA. We'd get bashed for being NRDS currently in our sovereignty systems because they'd be seen as a trap to lure in neutrals through AAA space. We just can't win, apparently.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.11 13:52:00 - [82] Thanks for inviting us to yet another CVA-hand-wringing topic Furb Killer. As has been pointed out the system YWSO doesn't (yet) have a station in it. Star Fraction's military base in Providence is the Unity outpost in KBP, we are developing the infrastructure in YWSO however and in the future we might well construct a station there if it seems an appropriate and profitable thing to do. Until then neutrals are very free to make use of the infrastructure upgrades we're installing every day but as ever travellers should be aware of the need to look to their own safety and precautions. We will not get involved in anybody else's diplomacy or standings. It is free choice of the individual, corporations, or indeed alliances using these stars to use evasion or negotiation or main force if and when they choose. Star Fraction would of course prefer our neighbours utilize freespace ideology because we believe its more profitable, more unifying and ultimately more progressive than CVA style standings enclosurism and knee-jerk centrist xenophobia, but it is the choice of those making such decisions that matter. If we are offered neutrality and no-fire pacts by those wishing to similarly develop the infrastructure of these systems without recourse to baseline slavery and regressive imperialist dogma then in most cases we are very happy to exchange salutes in space and continue our fight against -10s. This is true freedom at the last. Nobody said Freedom was easy, and Freedom was never anything that Aralis of the CVA was giving away with no strings attached. Freedom from attack (in the CVA years) came at the cost of mortgaging all independence of diplomacy and standings and placing yourself as subordinate to an evil old man's hatred of the Matari race. Some prices are too dear to pay. It is better to have the freedom to conduct diplomacy, choose your own standings, and carry the burden of consquence arising from your choices of engagement. That is freespace. It is not stupidspace. I begin to understand why some former CVA pets might be having problems. True Knowledge
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.04.11 19:00:00 - [83] Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus Where is this war you speak of? I haven't seen it. Are you serious? You really need to get out more.
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.11 22:49:00 - [84] Originally by: Tizian Enel Edited by: Tizian Enel on 11/04/2010 13:01:01 Originally by: Furb Killer Star fraction station is open to neutrals? Which station? Don't SF hold YWSO-Z? I know that almost every system in Provi has a station, but YWSO-Z does not. _____________________ Poreuomai's Spokesman For Tribe and Honour!
UVPhoenix2 Gallente Brotherhood of Heart and Steel Iron Heart Brotherhood	Posted - 2010.04.12 01:52:00 - [85] I've been saying this since before the war. Aralis can't govern. It's time for him to go. I know how you feel. Material of this nature affect us all in different ways. What you need to do is learn from this. And this is just my sig.
Normin Bates	Posted - 2010.04.12 04:43:00 - [86] My heart feels warm as I watch Providence become a better region before my eyes. CVA will soon be a pile of smoldering ashes along with the s****that hid behind it's silly NRDS policies and the protection that came with it. Many have already been sent packing and I spit in the general direction of Severance in particular. Piracy shaded with NRDS has finally paid off! I hope you enjoy your new position a slaves to the NC. Many former holders are dead now that their space is gone...where is CVA now when you need them? Your lack of vision and blind loyalty has now matured. While your village was burning CVA was busy breaking bottles for you to kneel on. LFA shows great honor and promise by finally standing up to CVA. Fair winds and following seas LFA!
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.12 06:46:00 - [87] Originally by: Xina Tutor Are you serious? You really need to get out more. We are getting out. Somehow shooting at undefended i-hubs and stations doesn't seem like war. And we are not roaming NC space to be able to shoot at its sev3rance pets. Oh and final note: shooting neutrals in providence was the only way to hurt CVA at the time. If any "innocent" pod pilots got hurt in the process, who cares? I certainly do not. Death to the slavers! _______________________ We come for our people!
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.12 11:32:00 - [88] Originally by: Normin Bates My heart feels warm as I watch Providence become a better region before my eyes. CVA will soon be a pile of smoldering ashes along with the s****that hid behind it's silly NRDS policies and the protection that came with it. Many have already been sent packing and I spit in the general direction of Severance in particular. Piracy shaded with NRDS has finally paid off! I hope you enjoy your new position a slaves to the NC. Many former holders are dead now that their space is gone...where is CVA now when you need them? Your lack of vision and blind loyalty has now matured. While your village was burning CVA was busy breaking bottles for you to kneel on. LFA shows great honor and promise by finally standing up to CVA. Fair winds and following seas LFA! The funny thing is the majority of LFA, including their main FCs are in Gentlemen's club alliance lol ---
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.04.12 11:33:00 - [89] Edited by: Xina Tutor on 12/04/2010 11:35:39 Normin, what a glorious career you must have had for such insights. You must tell us of them sometime as I was unable to find any details. Ineed we found only a failed attempt you had in forming a corporation some time ago. Anyway... Atlas and their minions were a driving force in this recent invasion, and we still fight Atlas. Indeed we still fight all the supporters of this invasion. (edit: well not UK atm since they are a long way away. Although I was in UK space today, but it was very quiet.) And so the war continues.
Normin Bates	Posted - 2010.04.12 13:34:00 - [90] Originally by: Xina Tutor Edited by: Xina Tutor on 12/04/2010 11:35:39 Normin, what a glorious career you must have had for such insights. You must tell us of them sometime as I was unable to find any details. Ineed we found only a failed attempt you had in forming a corporation some time ago. Anyway... Atlas and their minions were a driving force in this recent invasion, and we still fight Atlas. Indeed we still fight all the supporters of this invasion. (edit: well not UK atm since they are a long way away. Although I was in UK space today, but it was very quiet.) And so the war continues. I'm flattered that you attempted to dig up dirt on me. Even so...it wouldn't have changed the facts. I do tip my hat for you and your new crusade against Atlas. May you find purpose and honor in your new home. (If not I will continue to spit)
Xyla Vulchanus Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.12 18:03:00 - [91] Originally by: Xina Tutor Are you serious? You really need to get out more. Xina, I have been there every step of the way during this campaign. Since the retaking of F-9E and Sv5, through D-G, 9UY, J6 and sylph space, AM space, against CSA, -7-, F-Con, etc - and even last, night whilst taking the final CVA stations and a little chunk of LFA-land, and I have still yet to see a war. Only the odd skirmish sprinkled in-between the mass evacuations. We Come For Our People (and your systems)
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.04.12 18:21:00 - [92] Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus Originally by: Xina Tutor Are you serious? You really need to get out more. Xina, I have been there every step of the way during this campaign. Since the retaking of F-9E and Sv5, through D-G, 9UY, J6 and sylph space, AM space, against CSA, -7-, F-Con, etc - and even last, night whilst taking the final CVA stations and a little chunk of LFA-land, and I have still yet to see a war. Only the odd skirmish sprinkled in-between the mass evacuations. Yes, I did note that Ushra'Khan participation was not that great, although I did see good numbers in some fleets. For the most part we fought Atlas and it's various allies, of course, and were greatly outnumbered. As for the strategic withdrawl, that went extremely well and we have managed to retain the majority of our fighting assets so the fight may continue. It would have been foolish to squander all such assets in a futile attempt to hold providence at that time.
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.12 18:54:00 - [93] Originally by: Vaari Altough Lasterax is an idiot, he is not alone when we must find on those who are guilty of expanding Project Deliverance. Fine expansion it was as we all see. Instead of gaining more living space, wich we never needed, we lost everything. Everything is consumed by the dark devastation the heathen brought us. Over 3 years i told you all you need also spiritual guidance. Official spiritual guidance. Someone who can inspect your plans outside the context of military and economic needs. Of course there were no need of that, since "mighty Lord Aralis can foresee every outcome." Someone told me that. He did not see this? If he did, he is clearly a traitor and must be exterminated. Altough im driven off the Providence, Im still the archbishob of the Church of the Providence. I will keep the light of the faith shining the best i can. It is sad how poor leaders can destoroy everything. Someone likes to blame AAA and their servants alone, but they were invited in our home by the bad decisions made by some of the leaders of the Holder Alliances. Those leaders share AAA's crimes. Vaari, I warned you. Now you'll die in a fire. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun
Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.12 20:31:00 - [94] Originally by: Equinox Daedalus Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 12/04/2010 19:17:01 Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 12/04/2010 19:12:05 Originally by: Vaari Altough Lasterax is an idiot, he is not alone when we must find on those who are guilty of expanding Project Deliverance. Fine expansion it was as we all see. Instead of gaining more living space, wich we never needed, we lost everything. Everything is consumed by the dark devastation the heathen brought us. Over 3 years i told you all you need also spiritual guidance. Official spiritual guidance. Someone who can inspect your plans outside the context of military and economic needs. Of course there were no need of that, since "mighty Lord Aralis can foresee every outcome." Someone told me that. He did not see this? If he did, he is clearly a traitor and must be exterminated. Altough im driven off the Providence, Im still the archbishob of the Church of the Providence. I will keep the light of the faith shining the best i can. It is sad how poor leaders can destoroy everything. Someone likes to blame AAA and their servants alone, but they were invited in our home by the bad decisions made by some of the leaders of the Holder Alliances. Those leaders share AAA's crimes. Vaari, I warned you. Now you'll die in a fire. Let me be clear here. CVA will not shoot IPHAR directly as I generally believe that your Corp is not a hostile entity, indeed there is and are many ex IPHAR in cva. However you are in no position to dictate what CVA does with its leadership. Further more, after I told you there would be issues with your continual harassment of Aralis. So you leave little choice in the matter now. CVA and its Allies did provoke -A-. you are correct sir. At the end of the day CVA lost its space. I'm sure UK and its masters probably need you to preach more to them than to CVA. Rest assured CVA was one of the longest original space holding entity's in New Eden. I doubt many are left from that time. Perhaps you should be thankful to CVA for its years of dedication and service to the empire. Perhaps you should say, CVA it was a long and good time, Sorry to see this chapter as it is. Perhaps you should say, CVA our arms are on your sides to help in anyway beat back the hethan invasion into providence. Perhaps you can just die in a fire. Until you Apologize to Aralis personally, I'm offering 100 Mil bounty on your head, with a fresh corpse and proper documentation to go along with it. Cva and those who follow us will not shoot Iphar unless we need to defend ourselves. aww, can poor old man Aralis not defend himself anymore, that he needs a lowly caldari to do it for him? also, can I also get a shoddy bounty on my head for making fun of him? I can do much worse than Vaari. 43 ----------------------------------------------- UNITY!!!
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.12 20:42:00 - [95] Originally by: Equinox Daedalus Vaari, I warned you. Now you'll die in a fire. Let me be clear here. CVA will not shoot IPHAR directly as I generally believe that your Corp is not a hostile entity, indeed there is and are many ex IPHAR in cva. However you are in no position to dictate what CVA does with its leadership. Further more, after I told you there would be issues with your continual harassment of Aralis. So you leave little choice in the matter now. CVA and its Allies did provoke -A-. you are correct sir. At the end of the day CVA lost its space. I'm sure UK and its masters probably need you to preach more to them than to CVA. Rest assured CVA was one of the longest original space holding entity's in New Eden. I doubt many are left from that time. Perhaps you should be thankful to CVA for its years of dedication and service to the empire. Perhaps you should say, CVA it was a long and good time, Sorry to see this chapter as it is. Perhaps you should say, CVA our arms are on your sides to help in anyway beat back the hethan invasion into providence. Perhaps you can just die in a fire. Until you Apologize to Aralis personally, I'm offering 100 Mil bounty on your head, with a fresh corpse and proper documentation to go along with it. Cva and those who follow us will not shoot Iphar unless we need to defend ourselves. How typical, a perfect example of the politics from CVA, dealing with criticism with death threats and still trying to force people into thinking the way they want to. "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Vaari Amarr Imperial Pharmacy	Posted - 2010.04.12 20:52:00 - [96] Originally by: Equinox Daedalus Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 12/04/2010 19:17:01 Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 12/04/2010 19:12:05 Originally by: Vaari Altough Lasterax is an idiot, he is not alone when we must find on those who are guilty of expanding Project Deliverance. Fine expansion it was as we all see. Instead of gaining more living space, wich we never needed, we lost everything. Everything is consumed by the dark devastation the heathen brought us. Over 3 years i told you all you need also spiritual guidance. Official spiritual guidance. Someone who can inspect your plans outside the context of military and economic needs. Of course there were no need of that, since "mighty Lord Aralis can foresee every outcome." Someone told me that. He did not see this? If he did, he is clearly a traitor and must be exterminated. Altough im driven off the Providence, Im still the archbishob of the Church of the Providence. I will keep the light of the faith shining the best i can. It is sad how poor leaders can destoroy everything. Someone likes to blame AAA and their servants alone, but they were invited in our home by the bad decisions made by some of the leaders of the Holder Alliances. Those leaders share AAA's crimes. Vaari, I warned you. Now you'll die in a fire. Let me be clear here. CVA will not shoot IPHAR directly as I generally believe that your Corp is not a hostile entity, indeed there is and are many ex IPHAR in cva. However you are in no position to dictate what CVA does with its leadership. Further more, after I told you there would be issues with your continual harassment of Aralis. So you leave little choice in the matter now. CVA and its Allies did provoke -A-. you are correct sir. At the end of the day CVA lost its space. I'm sure UK and its masters probably need you to preach more to them than to CVA. Rest assured CVA was one of the longest original space holding entity's in New Eden. I doubt many are left from that time. Perhaps you should be thankful to CVA for its years of dedication and service to the empire. Perhaps you should say, CVA it was a long and good time, Sorry to see this chapter as it is. Perhaps you should say, CVA our arms are on your sides to help in anyway beat back the hethan invasion into providence. Perhaps you can just die in a fire. Until you Apologize to Aralis personally, I'm offering 100 Mil bounty on your head, with a fresh corpse and proper documentation to go along with it. Cva and those who follow us will not shoot Iphar unless we need to defend ourselves. My good and close friend Deadalus, i do not believe you are behind this act of heresy and thus I do not blame you. Im sure your soul is restless because of this. It is very difficult to apologize from someone who has blocked you. Shall i drop container next to Aralis and write it on it? It is probably his wet dream that mighty Lord Vaari will bow before him, but let me say this, it will never happen. I do not wage war against CVA, since it houses good and honest people like you, Lady Grr, Sir Marlakh and many more. I of course defend my self with all my might, wich you cannot even imagine. Im beyond your comprehension, for I can communicate directly with our God. I see and hear things others wont and Im blessed earl of Sosan III. Im also one and true Archbishob of the Providence. I will star religious combat against your infidel leaders right away. It is the battle you cannot win. This beginning. This birth of life. This dawn of greatness. I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow. undefined
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.12 21:02:00 - [97] Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 12/04/2010 21:05:37 Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 12/04/2010 21:05:00 Aralis needs not me to defend him no 43, same as I'm sure no UK member needs you to defend them either. Doesn't mean I or to the fact that CVA will put up with it. Aralis is indifferent to the matter. But CVA doesn't live to justify itself to UK or anyone else for that matter. Necris, I don't care what people think. If vaari believes aralis should be assassinated then yes, cva will not stop him from that belief. We will, however, take due course in action regarding the matter. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun
Vaari Amarr Imperial Pharmacy	Posted - 2010.04.12 21:07:00 - [98] Originally by: Equinox Daedalus Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 12/04/2010 21:05:37 Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 12/04/2010 21:05:00 Aralis needs not me to defend him no 43, same as I'm sure no UK member needs you to defend them either. Doesn't mean I or to the fact that CVA will put up with it. Aralis is indifferent to the matter. But CVA doesn't live to justify itself to UK or anyone else for that matter. Necris, I don't care what people think. If vaari believes aralis should be assassinated then yes, cva will not stop him from that belief. We will, however, take due course in action regarding the matter. Why are you spreading poisonous lies? I have never desired to see Lord Aralis dead. This beginning. This birth of life. This dawn of greatness. I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow. undefined
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.12 23:14:00 - [99] I would like to take this oportunity to announce that im taking control of the church of providence as its new Archbishop, and for this day forward i demand to be addressed as his grace Black Necris, this due to the unfortunate event of the last Archbishop running with his tail between his legs and all he could carry in a Navitas class ship (not even Amarr.. shame). This new and improved church of providence and his new Archbishop, his grace Black Necris, are proudly announcing that sermons will start taking place from Unity Station every Sunday at 14:00 in the back of the bar named "Fabian Deliverance" located near deck 43. This Sunday will be very special, since its our first gathering, and we will start by sharing free unmodified versions of Pax Amarria, to be used as toilet paper (not the ones with golden gilts are they are far too dangerous for toilet usage), as well as the best Minmatar spirits. Soon after we will have his grace, bishop Butterdog deliver a speech about respect and love, followed by a collection of Lady Aralis and empress Jamil jokes, then to close with a speech from His grace, the most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord Black Necris, about the faults of pride. We expect you this and each Sunday, as it is your duty. His Most Reverend Eminence Black Necris Archbishop of the New and Improved Church of Providence "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
aldebaran asteroth	Posted - 2010.04.13 00:20:00 - [100] I for one, welcome his Excelence Black Necris, as new Archbishop of the New and Improved Church of Providence (or NICHOP)
Vaari Amarr Imperial Pharmacy	Posted - 2010.04.13 05:21:00 - [101] You have no authority of taking that position. You can freely play that you are, buth there is only one true and legitime archbishob of the Providence, and that is me. Some day I will return with triumphnant victory. This beginning. This birth of life. This dawn of greatness. I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow. undefined
Ekon Bor Amarr Van Diemen's Demise Chaos Theory Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.13 10:39:00 - [102] Originally by: Vaari You have no authority of taking that position. You can freely play that you are, buth there is only one true and legitime archbishob of the Providence, and that is me. Some day I will return with triumphnant victory. So - just so those in the back of the class (such as myself) are clear on this, regarding Equinox's post - I pop this guy - I collect his corpsicle - and the Spoonies (who I actually quite like, even if they are CVA scum, at least they shoot) pay me 100m? Or does it not count if you're a heathen opportunistic KOS-listed invader such as myself?
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.04.13 15:02:00 - [103] Originally by: Black Necris Edited by: Black Necris on 10/04/2010 08:14:26 Conlin, as much as i respect you, i must say that i think you are wrong in many ways, the objective is liberating the slaves, has been all the time. Remember? Freedom to the sons of Matar? Death to slavers? you do remember that don't you? If you do please then explain me whats wrong about destroying an organization which goal is to expand the Amarr empire, and with it slavery. We are not only retaking Unity station, the beacon of freedom, we are liberating a whole region from the claws of slavers and making their former allies renounce their ways, turning their backs on slavery. Don't you see how many people that used to believe in the vision CVA had, now sees them for what they really are? how many of those peoples will continue to support slavery now? Ushra'Khan is in the verge of giving a giant step forward in a job we set to do long ago, and that job wasn't to harass the slavers operations, nor to terrorize the ones that supported them, the goal is and has always been the freedom of the sons of Matar and the end of slavery in any way or fashion. You need to remember that we are the Ushra'Khan and we do come for our people... *edit: some of my many typos Yes I do remember that very much , l,m one of the few who was left from U'K who did remember , it is your new recruits that need reminding , and not I Necris . I doubt theirs many left who do now . Call me old fashioned but how can I be wrong in so many ways ?. My grudge here is of the fact that I am old fashioned enough to think , that to beat your enemy is to fight them on the battlegrounds . Not recruit them on a daily basis , or am I missing a new strategum here ?. I would be shooting an enemy one day , only to find the next they are hastily recruited into the ranks , is that the way you prefer to spin U'K's fight on slavery ?. How does one beat slavery , when all you do is recruit the slaver ?. Before you spin this fact , I was present and saw with my own eyes the speed of these recruitments , whereas before these slavers would be recquired to prove themselves to renounce slavery , this is no longer the case .
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.13 15:23:00 - [104] Conlin, you are right. Ushra'Khan will continue to recruit and accept those that previously fought under CVA's banner. If they don't recruit them, their allies will. Capsuleer numbers have any more weight in engagements now, since DED has revised how it aknowledges sovereignity claims, as such they are a valuable resource. Take a look at Ex-LFA, around 40% of them are now in Gentlemen's Club. Another example is Aegis Miltia, sort by leaving date, and you'll notice that a good deal of them are in Primary. A southern coalition member who was present in providence although didn't bring that many numbers, and Atlas Renter. And the other half of Aegis Miltia has gone to Opticon Alliance, Admitatly, I do not know much about them, so I do apologize if this is a heavy handed assumption. But seeing as they have taken sov in Aegis old Constellation, I'm willing to bet that they have some kind of deal with AAA or Ushra'Khan in using that space. They haven't renounced their ways because they have seen the light of freedom, they have renounced them so they can shoot Sanshas. They will just as easily announce/renounce slavery as much as it suits them to bring to in the DED bounties, and Centii/Centum/Centus deadspace modules. ---
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.13 15:41:00 - [105] Originally by: Conlin Yes I do remember that very much , l,m one of the few who was left from U'K who did remember , it is your new recruits that need reminding , and not I Necris . I doubt theirs many left who do now . Call me old fashioned but how can I be wrong in so many ways ?. My grudge here is of the fact that I am old fashioned enough to think , that to beat your enemy is to fight them on the battlegrounds . Not recruit them on a daily basis , or am I missing a new strategum here ?. I would be shooting an enemy one day , only to find the next they are hastily recruited into the ranks , is that the way you prefer to spin U'K's fight on slavery ?. How does one beat slavery , when all you do is recruit the slaver ?. Before you spin this fact , I was present and saw with my own eyes the speed of these recruitments , whereas before these slavers would be recquired to prove themselves to renounce slavery , this is no longer the case . Are you trying to say that once a slaver always a slaver? That seems narrow-minded my friend, people makes mistakes, people learn and either people change or people die. I must say that i think you are old fashioned my friend, you want UK to be what YOU want it to be, if not then you abandon your long time home and take a path that took you in a 180 degree turn, from being in an alliance fighting slavers to being in a corp fighting freedom fighters. Your reasoning for this is that we should fight CVA on their battleground, and on their terms? You better than anyone should remember the battles for QR and 9-UY and the way we got bested by CVA, only a fool would respect CVA after that, only a fool would still be honorable enough towards them to fight them on their terms, they brought shame, they die in shame. Besides, it isn't like we haven't been there waiting for them to show up, but the they decided to use a Fabian strategy, at least 3 years ago we did show up to defend ourselves, even if it was to be massacred. I would like you to please expand on this, where the recruit wasn't informed about who we are and what are our goals? I'm a recruiter myself, and i can assure you that i wouldn't even dare to even look at an application from some one who claims to be a slaver or to own slaves. Last but not least, please address to me according to my title. The Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord Black Necris Archbishop of the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHOP) "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Primary.	Posted - 2010.04.13 18:53:00 - [106] Originally by: Suitonia Aegis Miltia Short story is the corps who left AM half of them were & are loyal to Providence. The other half, some of which who are in Opticon, were looking to make deals with AAA / UK for weeks / months. Its obviously Leather Knights pulled off such a deal.
Das Panzer Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.13 20:20:00 - [107] I for one welcome the new archbishop as the old one was a senile old kook and suspected of being overly friendly with the quire boys. Good riddance to Vaari and his perversions, Providence is a better place with him gone. Also; last CVA station fell tonight, a truly momentous occasion for the free pilots of the Minmatar nation.
Felton Fundenberger Caldari Rosa Alba Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.13 20:50:00 - [108] Originally by: Vaari Originally by: Equinox Daedalus Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 12/04/2010 21:05:37 Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 12/04/2010 21:05:00 Aralis needs not me to defend him no 43, same as I'm sure no UK member needs you to defend them either. Doesn't mean I or to the fact that CVA will put up with it. Aralis is indifferent to the matter. But CVA doesn't live to justify itself to UK or anyone else for that matter. Necris, I don't care what people think. If vaari believes aralis should be assassinated then yes, cva will not stop him from that belief. We will, however, take due course in action regarding the matter. Why are you spreading poisonous lies? I have never desired to see Lord Aralis dead. " If he did, he is clearly a traitor and must be exterminated." Vaari those are you words from this communication tread. Clearly you forgot, that you want Aralis dead. Shame....
Vaari Amarr Imperial Pharmacy	Posted - 2010.04.13 21:32:00 - [109] Originally by: Felton Fundenberger Originally by: Vaari Originally by: Equinox Daedalus Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 12/04/2010 21:05:37 Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 12/04/2010 21:05:00 Aralis needs not me to defend him no 43, same as I'm sure no UK member needs you to defend them either. Doesn't mean I or to the fact that CVA will put up with it. Aralis is indifferent to the matter. But CVA doesn't live to justify itself to UK or anyone else for that matter. Necris, I don't care what people think. If vaari believes aralis should be assassinated then yes, cva will not stop him from that belief. We will, however, take due course in action regarding the matter. Why are you spreading poisonous lies? I have never desired to see Lord Aralis dead. " If he did, he is clearly a traitor and must be exterminated." Vaari those are you words from this communication tread. Clearly you forgot, that you want Aralis dead. Shame.... That is out of context. This beginning. This birth of life. This dawn of greatness. I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow. undefined
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.13 21:44:00 - [110] Edited by: Stratio on 13/04/2010 21:44:30 Originally by: Felton Fundenberger " If he did, he is clearly a traitor and must be exterminated." Vaari those are you words from this communication tread. Clearly you forgot, that you want Aralis dead. Shame.... Are you confirming that "he did" then? _____________________ Poreuomai's Spokesman For Tribe and Honour!
Leviathan Tank Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.13 22:59:00 - [111] Hail the most The Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord Black Necris! Just, loving & modest.
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.04.14 03:11:00 - [112] Originally by: Black Necris Originally by: Conlin Yes I do remember that very much , l,m one of the few who was left from U'K who did remember , it is your new recruits that need reminding , and not I Necris . I doubt theirs many left who do now . Call me old fashioned but how can I be wrong in so many ways ?. My grudge here is of the fact that I am old fashioned enough to think , that to beat your enemy is to fight them on the battlegrounds . Not recruit them on a daily basis , or am I missing a new strategum here ?. I would be shooting an enemy one day , only to find the next they are hastily recruited into the ranks , is that the way you prefer to spin U'K's fight on slavery ?. How does one beat slavery , when all you do is recruit the slaver ?. Before you spin this fact , I was present and saw with my own eyes the speed of these recruitments , whereas before these slavers would be recquired to prove themselves to renounce slavery , this is no longer the case . Are you trying to say that once a slaver always a slaver? That seems narrow-minded my friend, people makes mistakes, people learn and either people change or people die. I must say that i think you are old fashioned my friend, you want UK to be what YOU want it to be, if not then you abandon your long time home and take a path that took you in a 180 degree turn, from being in an alliance fighting slavers to being in a corp fighting freedom fighters. Your reasoning for this is that we should fight CVA on their battleground, and on their terms? You better than anyone should remember the battles for QR and 9-UY and the way we got bested by CVA, only a fool would respect CVA after that, only a fool would still be honorable enough towards them to fight them on their terms, they brought shame, they die in shame. Besides, it isn't like we haven't been there waiting for them to show up, but the they decided to use a Fabian strategy, at least 3 years ago we did show up to defend ourselves, even if it was to be massacred. I would like you to please expand on this, where the recruit wasn't informed about who we are and what are our goals? I'm a recruiter myself, and i can assure you that i wouldn't even dare to even look at an application from some one who claims to be a slaver or to own slaves. Last but not least, please address to me according to my title. The Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord Black Necris Archbishop of the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHOP) You assume far too much Necris , I also was a recruiter . And those that were refused entrance by my corp & others were welcomed with open arms by others less so professional in their recruitment . A blind eye was turned . Once again your assuming again ... not what l wanted it to be , but what was set forwards by council was ignored . Your naming of 2 battles ... your off on a tangent again assuming far too much , my issue here is poor standards of recruiting pilots who were one day fighting against us , only to suddenly be for us after a sudden ship loss . You honestly think those are the sort of pilots you can trust ?.Please stay on the subject at hand and not your ego & titles . Eve is a vast universe without the panic recruitment of those who infamously betrayed U'K in the past , only to be snapped up again after betraying its Providence allies . Some of us learned that lesson , seems some people are far too blinded with titles . I didnt throw away 3 years with U'K on a whim ,myself and many others who were the core of U'K decided enough was enough and parted ,as we were disgusted with what was seen in alliance . U'K is not the stalwart alliance it used to be , its slowly tearing itself apart from within , hopefully their will be enough of the "True U'K" to keep it alive . Remember this Necris , when those same pilots who betrayed their own twice already , betray again ...remember l warned you . I'II leave you to polish your ego ................. g'day .
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2010.04.14 06:06:00 - [113] This seems to be excellent news! I for one will be watching this thread very closely "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.14 06:23:00 - [114] The question that needs to be answered here is obvious, did the pilots that switched allegiance from CVA to UK: A. Had an actual change of heart and overnight supporters of slavery to fighters of slavery? B. Merely chose ally themselves with the strongest power in the area to safeguard their possessions and way of life? It seems that mr. Necris is arguing for position A while mr. Conlin is arguing for position B. Of course, mr. Necris cannot believe in B because UK operated NBSI under the assumption that anyone living in Providence was an active supporter of slavery. To think that many people living in Providence were not actual supporters of slavery and their allegiance was merely convenience would undermine that stated UK policy and is therefore politically untenable. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.04.14 08:20:00 - [115] I think that Ushra'Khan announcing NBSI in a "warzone" was a sound strategic decision, and I don't think it really will encroach on their NRDS beliefs if the people they shot at were indeed neutral or innocent. Ushra'Khan would NAP with most who have no desire to work with CVA anyway, so I think it is fairly easy to avoid fire in Providence if you weren't supporting of CVA Providence. That said, I do believe the newly recruited, and installed new providence "flowers ripe for the picking" as Manfred so eloquently put it, will just as easy turn back to slavery, freedom, fedo supporting or whatever they need to have easy access to DED bounties. These are not supporters of freedom, they are supporters of their own wallets. Capsuleer greed is what caused many slaves to suffer in CVA Providence prior to Ushra'Khans arrival. And the same capsuleers who were hiding in the stations, or running cosmic anomaly's while Providence was burning, are the same ones who are now, and still running cosmic anomaly's. Cowards with no loyalty but to their wallets disgust me. People change, but they do not overnight. Worthless cowards who ignored the screams of slaves while their wallets flashed will still be worthless cowards in the morning. ---
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2010.04.14 08:37:00 - [116] Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 14/04/2010 08:41:12 Ushra'Khans free fire zone policy in Providence and Catch was based on neutrals supporting the slaver regime of CVA and holders through, at best, paying docking fees and passing on intelligence. Getting those 'neutrals' to think, and join our side, fighting against CVA, was always the goal. Ushra'Khan required proactive military action against the CVA bloc in order to be granted blue status. Accepting former foes is a simple extension of this, should they renounce slavery and be active in pursuing its abolition. Yes, some turncoats may well be hypocritical traitors, and may turn again. However, eternal vigilance is the price of freedom. There are many of us who will ward against Ushra'Khan slipping quietly into complacency. Edit: And, in some ways, it is understood that Conlin, and the Mad Bombers, are only griping because they care. It's not like they were the first former corp to publicly slate Ushra'Khan strategies. Nor do I think that they will be the last. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.14 09:55:00 - [117] Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 14/04/2010 09:55:55 True Kade. In fact I have planned NKB's leaving and written a suitably vitriolic post for this forum. Once thats done with, I'll .. well .. um .. do nothing much of any lasting achievement I guess.
Sarah Amadou	Posted - 2010.04.14 10:09:00 - [118] LOL UK came for their people, and recruited the slavers who they claimed to fight. There is so much wrong with that I cant even begin to start, so I wont. Conlin should be leading UK, he seems to be the only one who has a clue. To bad his corp has principles and ideals and left with them. How many other UK have left because of the UK Hoover sucking up all the ratters/miners left behind? It sounds like UK are becoming what CVA are/were. Now all we will need to see for the cycle to be complete is CVA raiding Providence and killing unwanted residents in their space. You have to love it.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.14 10:28:00 - [119] So your goal was to get those neutrals to join your side, and you tried to achieve that by shooting them?
Nefher Zhila Amarr Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2010.04.14 14:59:00 - [120] So Mr. Black Necris, the ones you accused of murder and torture are now forgiven for the sake of boosting your numbers...interesting. And you mention the dishonorable ways of some of them in certain circunstances...but you recruit them nonetheless...even more interesting. Khanid Loyalist, also loyal to the Amarrian empire. Former member of the 13th Royal Khanid Regulars.
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.14 20:24:00 - [121] Edited by: Black Necris on 14/04/2010 20:24:35 Edited by: Black Necris on 14/04/2010 20:24:17 First of all, you shall adress towards me as "your Highness" or "Most Serene Holiness". Second, we fight slavery, simple as that. CVA searched to expand the Amarr empire (and with it slavery), and for that they are the target of UK, those who support CVA and slavery are the target of UK. I congratulate Libertas Fidelitas for seeing the evilness of slavery, they are an example to be looked upon. If you renounce your evil ways, and you make efforts towards the freedom of those still chained, then you are no longer a target in my book, i might not trust you, but i sure can give the benefit of the doubt. It is a certitude that some of those who claimed to have a change of heart are sure just jumping ships, but they will soon be unmasked for what they are. The Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord Black Necris Archbishop of the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHUP) ** Conlin, so far the first ones to have betrayed us is Mad Bombers, who decided to shoot freedom fighters instead of slavers. Congrats for being the first ones. "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.04.14 22:05:00 - [122] Originally by: Sarah Amadou Now all we will need to see for the cycle to be complete is CVA raiding Providence and killing unwanted residents in their space. You have to love it. Confirming that CVA are trying to raid Providence.
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.04.15 01:16:00 - [123] Evening Nec !! Princess seems far more appropriate , you dont mind if we call you princess do you ?. And princess ..... if you were to check your background before having opinions after your long absence in U'K . You would know it was an ex Sylph who demanded Mad Bombers be war decced and red standings set before any shots were fired . The old U'K used to fight slavery yes , a handful of the older members still believe thats what they are fighting . Renounce my evil ways ? , refusing to fight alongside slavers and those who will so easily betray again . If thats evil in your eyes , then you've been on the communal wine far too much . The only "freedom fighter " l,ve shot was an ex provi who thought he would be the first to try and kill me ;) Looking forward to your next opinion , maybe this time you'l,l get close to the truth 3rd time lucky . G'day Princess .
Nefher Zhila Amarr Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2010.04.15 03:38:00 - [124] Originally by: Black Necris Edited by: Black Necris on 14/04/2010 20:24:35 Edited by: Black Necris on 14/04/2010 20:24:17 First of all, you shall adress towards me as "your Highness" or "Most Serene Holiness". Second, we fight slavery, simple as that. CVA searched to expand the Amarr empire (and with it slavery), and for that they are the target of UK, those who support CVA and slavery are the target of UK. I congratulate Libertas Fidelitas for seeing the evilness of slavery, they are an example to be looked upon. If you renounce your evil ways, and you make efforts towards the freedom of those still chained, then you are no longer a target in my book, i might not trust you, but i sure can give the benefit of the doubt. It is a certitude that some of those who claimed to have a change of heart are sure just jumping ships, but they will soon be unmasked for what they are. The Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord Black Necris Archbishop of the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHUP) ** Conlin, so far the first ones to have betrayed us is Mad Bombers, who decided to shoot freedom fighters instead of slavers. Congrats for being the first ones. CanÆt help but laugh at that pitiful attempt to garner some futile undeserved respect. I think creatures such as yourself will find it hard to even gather some thought at my previous point, so ill leave you to your titles and mockeries...thinking of mockery, a puppet playing a puppets role how fitting, play with your little church little puppet. (This opinions are a personal view) Khanid Loyalist, also loyal to the Amarrian empire. Former member of the 13th Royal Khanid Regulars.
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.15 06:15:00 - [125] Edited by: Black Necris on 15/04/2010 06:19:30 Edited by: Black Necris on 15/04/2010 06:17:48 Originally by: Conlin Evening Nec !! Princess seems far more appropriate , you dont mind if we call you princess do you ?. And princess ..... if you were to check your background before having opinions after your long absence in U'K . You would know it was an ex Sylph who demanded Mad Bombers be war decced and red standings set before any shots were fired . The old U'K used to fight slavery yes , a handful of the older members still believe thats what they are fighting . Renounce my evil ways ? , refusing to fight alongside slavers and those who will so easily betray again . If thats evil in your eyes , then you've been on the communal wine far too much . The only "freedom fighter " l,ve shot was an ex provi who thought he would be the first to try and kill me ;) Looking forward to your next opinion , maybe this time you'l,l get close to the truth 3rd time lucky . G'day Princess . Well, first, lemme tell you this, im not interested in men, so im sorry that you are and that you see me beautiful as a princess, im only interested in Girls, from 18-34, so thanks for considering me but i pass. Try looking on your corp for some man love, I'm pretty sure you will find plenty of guys willing there (i heard Calypso's Wrath is back, he is quite known for his man on man loving). Second, why do you have to tell lies? UK has never war decced Mad Bombers, i could ask for milk and cookies and it doesn't mean ill get them, so stop being so sensitive, it might look bad for your corp. Sure you got red, but it was just after you made your "i dont want to play anymore" statement slandering Ushra'Khan. Trowing toys statement What where you expecting after that? blue standings? gifts and spirits? Hookers and boosters?... really, get some sense into that Gallente melon you call head. And third... ill make it easy for you since you seem to be a hard learner... "YOUR HOLINESS" thats the proper way. Originally by: Nefher Zhila CanÆt help but laugh at that pitiful attempt to garner some futile undeserved respect. I think creatures such as yourself will find it hard to even gather some thought at my previous point, so ill leave you to your titles and mockeries...thinking of mockery, a puppet playing a puppets role how fitting, play with your little church little puppet. (This opinions are a personal view) Girl and you are who? don't be jealous i took control of the church of providence... there are still open jobs in the church... if you can properly wear a Gallente maid suit, you got a job with us. The Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord Black Necris Archbishop of the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHUP) "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.15 06:35:00 - [126] As for recruiting our former foes: Yes amongst those we recruit, not all had a change of heart. You would have to be stupid not to see that. But, if at least every tenth person had it, it is well worth it. You may kill slavers, but you do not defeat them like that. You do not win. You win when the slavers become the new freedom fighters. When they become your brethren. It is something those who left Ushra'khan do not understand. That destroying the ships is only destroying the tools. The heart and mind and soul behind the tools remains. It is the heart that needs a change of passion, it is the mind that needs to learn compassion, it is the soul that needs to be purified. That is the only way to win. Now, all I pray for is a great test. For Ushra'khan to face adversity that should come close to the test of loosing Unity station so long ago. To see whose heart is pure, and who just pretends. To purge the ass kissers from our ranks. To see who truly is our friend. In a way, I think CVA is glad what happened to them. They seen who pretended to be their colleagues. They seen who follow their faith. What remained is now stronger. And I look forward to facing the new CVA in the future. I know they will be back. _______________________ We come for our people!
Calypso's Wrath Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.04.15 16:34:00 - [127] Hello former alliance mates. Imagine my surprise when I came out of Cryo sleep to find that my precious UK û The very people of whom I have been fighting along side for so many YEARS have fallen so low. I look at the residence of 9UY û and I know no one û Not a single person in system do I know. Yet, they are all UK. After doing a bit of research, checking log files and the likeà more than half of 9UY local are ex-provi block members!!!! I check the written transcripts of the past 6 or 7 months and find that AAA with UK have pretty much taken all of providence and have absorbed those who we have fought against for so long. I was VERY surprised when I jumped through a gate and was immediately set upon by a UK piloted tempest. Quote: ** Conlin, so far the first ones to have betrayed us is Mad Bombers, who decided to shoot freedom fighters instead of slavers. Congrats for being the first ones. Betrayal? The old guard of UK fights tooth and nail for every kill, every loss and UK leadership rewards us by recruiting trash ex-provibloc? Good job, at least I know the people I will be shooting will be the same people I have shot for years. I just wish Cpt Dirka was still aroundà
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.15 16:58:00 - [128] I think it's largely down to a philosophical difference. Ushra'Khan aim to end slavery, free the slaves - by whatever means necessary. Mad Bombers also have those goals, but appear to have a third: persecuting slavers as an end in itself and doing the same to ex-slavers. I respect the differences of opinion here, but to me punishment of wrongdoers is secondary to ending the wrong, particularly when it will slow progress towards the primary objective.
Calypso's Wrath Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.04.15 17:12:00 - [129] Originally by: Borza Slavak ...Ushra'Khan aim to end slavery, free the slaves - by whatever means necessary. Mad Bombers also have those goals, but appear to have a third: persecuting slavers as an end in itself and doing the same to ex-slavers. There is no such thing as an "ex-Slaver" There is a saying... Starts with: Build a thousand bridges and you are a bridge builder... (occ: google the rest) Once a slaver always a slaver.
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.15 21:46:00 - [130] Originally by: Calypso's Wrath Originally by: Borza Slavak ...Ushra'Khan aim to end slavery, free the slaves - by whatever means necessary. Mad Bombers also have those goals, but appear to have a third: persecuting slavers as an end in itself and doing the same to ex-slavers. There is no such thing as an "ex-Slaver" There is a saying... Starts with: Build a thousand bridges and you are a bridge builder... (occ: google the rest) Once a slaver always a slaver. So the rumors where right, you are back eh? About your saying, are you talking out of experience? i know you have not build 1000 bridges... It amuses me how much can people talk out of their asses, you claim people can not change? how about those in your corp that once where friendly to CVA? according to your way of thinking they should be shoot also. I once used to call you friend, and for those times ill be magnanimous and forgive your transgressions, but you are expected to attend this sunday sermon with at least 7 ladies for me and 2 cases of the best spirits Pator has to offer. His most Serene Magnanimous Lorship Black Necris Archbishop for the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHUP) "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Nightshade Mary	Posted - 2010.04.16 07:45:00 - [131] Originally by: Black Necris ... but you are expected to attend this sunday sermon with at least 7 ladies for me and 2 cases of the best spirits Pator has to offer. His most Serene Magnanimous Lorship Black Necris Archbishop for the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHUP) Will you be needing the same choir boys as bishop Vaari?
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.04.16 18:06:00 - [132] Edited by: Conlin on 16/04/2010 18:07:25 Necris , your title as princess seems so appropriate . Your incessant need to strop has you diving in blindly .... again & again . Once more your assumptions are blinding you of the facts , or maybe its the feet stomping , demanding you have titles , Oh and can you at least spell these titles correctly , we might have a clue what your prattling on about . I never said U'K wardecced us , I did say an ex member of Sylph in U'K demanded it . So please stop getting so emo....tional , it might look bad for your corp and alliance , then maybe , just maybe youl,l get the facts straight 4th time round !!. Go on , you know you can do it . One last time for old times sake
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.16 19:23:00 - [133] FWIW, Mirkur are not recruiting ex-provi members. _____________________ Poreuomai's Spokesman For Tribe and Honour!
Marvthemarsh	Posted - 2010.04.16 19:47:00 - [134] If this war was truly about freeing slaves? I have to ask why did UK destroy a LFA TCU after they declared independence from CVA? They invaded LFA space and took f-d after LFA did what they asked and left CVA. Sounds like this is simply all about taking space and making isk off new renters.
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.16 20:44:00 - [135] Originally by: Conlin Edited by: Conlin on 16/04/2010 18:07:25 Necris , your title as princess seems so appropriate . Your incessant need to strop has you diving in blindly .... again & again . Once more your assumptions are blinding you of the facts , or maybe its the feet stomping , demanding you have titles , Oh and can you at least spell these titles correctly , we might have a clue what your prattling on about . I never said U'K wardecced us , I did say an ex member of Sylph in U'K demanded it . So please stop getting so emo....tional , it might look bad for your corp and alliance , then maybe , just maybe youl,l get the facts straight 4th time round !!. Go on , you know you can do it . One last time for old times sake So your last resource is bashing me for having "hortographykz herrourz"? no more spreading lies at least. Then lemme get myself in grammar police mode: "youl,l" or you'll? "4th time round" or Around? "you know you can do it .?" space and point? mmmmhh lest just say that you are not exactly the one to be demanding grammatical perfection. Conlin unless you got something else "youl,l" like to argue i'll take my leave of you. "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Enkryption Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.04.16 22:05:00 - [136] LFA has dropped a system for U'K and CVA has now set them red it seems.
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.04.17 02:14:00 - [137] No Necris my fishing trip here is complete , you did for me what I had hoped and I thank thee for it . "You'd", think "you'd" learn by now , but you bit well . Took a lot of asking around to ask who you were exactly , after your long absence . I guess thats why it took you so long to finally get around to the truth , with a bit of cajoling .You should really stop relying on those Provi's for information . Good luck next time Princess !!
Marvthemarsh	Posted - 2010.04.17 03:09:00 - [138] LFA did not drop the system, like i said before, UK destroyed an LFA TCU and took the system. Also CVA has not set LFA red at this point. Can a UK person answer my question?
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.17 06:10:00 - [139] Originally by: Marvthemarsh LFA did not drop the system, like i said before, UK destroyed an LFA TCU and took the system. Also CVA has not set LFA red at this point. Can a UK person answer my question? No. The Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord Black Necris Archbishop of the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHOP) "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Commander Kail	Posted - 2010.04.17 06:37:00 - [140] No. No? You can't answer my question? Please explain
Marvthemarsh	Posted - 2010.04.17 06:51:00 - [141] Your answer is no, you cant answer the question? For someone who talks too much, that was a short answer. Please explain why you attacked the first alliance in prov to listen to you. Your alliance said to break away from CVA, so LFA did and you attacked them. I was there in the system when you destroyed the TCU. I lost a ship in f-d because of UK greed, and your answer in just no....
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.17 10:14:00 - [142] Originally by: Marvthemarsh LFA did not drop the system, like i said before, UK destroyed an LFA TCU and took the system. As so often in cases of apparent contradictions, both statements are true: My understanding is that LFA had dropped sov and U'K decided to take the system. When we arrived we found both PXF and LFA trying to online new TCUs. These TCUs were both destroyed and we took the system. As for the "why", I cannot comment on that. _____________________ Poreuomai's Spokesman For Tribe and Honour!
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.17 22:34:00 - [143] Edited by: Black Necris on 17/04/2010 22:36:15 Originally by: Marvthemarsh Please explain why you attacked the first alliance in prov to listen to you. Your alliance said to break away from CVA, so LFA did and you attacked them. I was there in the system when you destroyed the TCU. I lost a ship in f-d because of UK greed, and your answer in just no.... No. *edit, some misspellings in my answer. The Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord Black Necris Archbishop of the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHUP) "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."*
Kel'dar Drax	Posted - 2010.04.18 11:52:00 - [144] Seems to me that CVA have sown the wind over the past year, and now they reap the whirlwind? This is sad day in New eden.
Elmis Paxton Federation	Posted - 2010.04.18 13:50:00 - [145] An acquaintance noticed lasterax piloting a Nidhoggur earlier today in a Domain backwater. He is no longer in LFA, and the alliance is down to only four members.
Tyrael Primus Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2010.04.18 18:17:00 - [146] The last of my well trained man servants escaped today!
Syelnicar Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2010.04.19 08:46:00 - [147] lasterax has joined Morsus Mihi, and apparently gave LFA's sov and stations to UK.
Borgh Brainbasher Path of Now and Forever	Posted - 2010.04.19 21:29:00 - [148] The influence map says someone dropped something today. It is a nice little pocket but the next residents better be friends with paxton. --- Warning: You are on the pvp only server.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.19 22:06:00 - [149] Originally by: Borgh Brainbasher It is a nice little pocket but the next residents better be friends with paxton. The next residents don't want to be friends with Paxton. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Borgh Brainbasher Path of Now and Forever	Posted - 2010.04.19 22:15:00 - [150] ah yeah, I just looked it up and it turns out this area will be two cats in a bag, with autocannons. (waves little paxton flag) yeeeh go paxton. --- Warning: You are on the pvp only server.

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