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Druadan
YARRRDIES Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.26 21:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Wired
A number of companies who sell the components, will put it all together for you for a small premium, also by doing it this way you do get a lot more control over the components
I see use of the '$', so I'm immediately assuming you're US based which may have an affect on the price + availability of some of the following components, but hopefully my thoughts will be a bit useful
Case: Antec 900-II
Mobo: ASUS P6T SE
CPU: Core i7-930
CPU Cooler: Titan Fenrir
RAM: Corsair XM3 PC3-12800 (3x2GB) <--Get another of these if you want
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB (Get a couple of these if you want)
Sound: Asus Xonar DX
PSU: 650W Antec TruePower New (or if you want a bit more headroom go for a PROPER BRANDED 850W) - cheap PSU's can take your whole system down.
GFX: ATI 5870 (Probably best price v performance at the moment)
Optical: Just pick a black one.
OS: Win7
Office: Open Office
For anyone that reads CustomPC, yes, i have just ripped off their buyers guide.
But this does resemble what I will be looking to buy myself in the near future (and my current comp was built from the aforementioned buyers guide).
I was going to post a recommendation but this guy knows exactly what he's talking about.
-Druadan
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Jalfrezi Rox
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Posted - 2010.03.26 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jalfrezi Rox on 26/03/2010 22:22:58
Already some very good replies in here but I'll throw in my 2 cents...
Think about spending the money for the extra 6Gb ram on better gfx - you'll get more bang for the buck if you spend some more on something better than 9500...
I've just built a system similarly specced to yours... but in the uk so more taxes :(
But this system runs 4 accounts at 80fps just fine (tested just for you :))
CPU: i7 930
RAM: 6GB Corsair 9-9-9-24 (1600MHz)
HD: 500Gb WD 16Mb
Gfx: ATI 5770 1Gb (tempted to crossfire with another)
Case: Lian-Li PC-60FNB and Seasonic 750w psu
Prolimatech Megahalem heatsink with 120mm SFlex 1600 fan (not oc'd yet but running at 41-42 'C with 15% cpu load with 4 eve clients quite happily )
fixing up a typo
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Anaslex
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Posted - 2010.03.26 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Anaslex on 26/03/2010 22:40:42
Get a Solid state drive with TRIM, and 6 gigs of ddr2 or ddr3 memory is perfect.
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Jack Airron
Gallente
Setenta Corp
F A I L
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Posted - 2010.03.26 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Airron on 26/03/2010 23:35:43
Originally by: MouthP1ece
hi -
Admittedly, I'm not the most tech savvy guy in the world, but i'm thinking of buying a new machine and am not sure how much RAM to get. I was looking on a few websites and currently i am tossing up between 6 and 12gb. I will be running Win7 and this is purely a games machine - is 12gb overkill, or just sensible planning for the future?
thanks in advance
Ram does make a huge diffrance but be forewarned that its not the only thing that makes games run well, so don't skimp of the video card and processor.
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Dick Turpentine
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Posted - 2010.03.27 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: MouthP1ece
Thank you all for the replies - so this is the system I'm thinking of buying -
Case: NZXT Lexa Blackline Gaming Tower Case-Black w/ Red Light
Processor: Intel« CoreÖ i7 930 Processor (4x 2.8GHz/8MB L3 Cache)-
Processor Cooling: Asetek LiquidáCPU Cooling Systemá(x58)-
Memory: 12 GB [2 GB X6] DDR3-1333 Triple Memory Module-Corsair Value or Major Brand
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9500GT û 1GB-SLI Mode (Dual Cards)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R -- Intel X58 Chipset CrossFire and SLI Supported w/8-ch HD Audio, Tripple Channel DDR3, Gb LAN, 4 PCI-E 2.0 x16 MB-
Power Supply: 800 Watt -- Power Supply-SLI Ready
Primary Hard Drive: 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s-Dual 500GB Drives (1TB Capacity) - RAID 0 High Performance
Optical Drive: 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD¦R/¦RW + CD-R/RW Drive-Black
2nd Optical Drive: 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD¦R/¦RW + CD-R/RW Drive-Black
Meter Display: NZXTáSentryá2áLCD Touch ScreenáFan Controllerá/w Temperatures Display-Black
Sound Card: Creative LabsáSound Blaster X-FiáXtreme Audio-
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7áProfessional + [Free 60-Day !!!]áMicrosoft Officeá2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....)-64-Bit
comments or suggestions?
Personally I would go for 6 gigs of ram, what you save on ram use to buy a better graphics card, that one is dated.
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.03.27 01:29:00 -
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4gb is the most you will need... if you want to kinda try and future proof it, 6gb..
unless ur editing video though you wont be using more than 3gb
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Rpeg
Minmatar
Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.03.27 01:35:00 -
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If you also plan on using your machine for video editing and 3D modeling, then 12gb ram is great. Otherwise, no. 2-4gb is fine.
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MouthP1ece
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:06:00 -
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Thanks again to everyone for being so helpful - will be putting together & buying a machine this weekend, I hope :)
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Stray Bullets
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:20:00 -
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Feeling insulted by those who say this is a very good machine. Besides having a ridiculous amount of RAM (not needed unless you're doing alot of video/sound encoding, working with large image projects (photoshop, 3dmax, autocad), you have a GPX card that sucks a old war veteran's ass.
Mate, keep the computer simple. Ignore pre-built machines and make your own. There's alot of sites where you can get decent hardware reviews like hardOCP, tomshardware, etc... just READ before you get your wallet stripped for something NOT WORTH IT!
Sound card? Unless you're going to do work with it = waste of money.
NVIDIA? won't even go into this... just go read reviews of ATI vs NVIDIA. NVIDIA = failure atm!
12Gb ram? make it 6, you won't notice a thing.... just be sure to have a 64bit OS installed.
Harddrive setup? WOW this is one of the worst I've seen in a long time. If you want performance, either get a single solid state drive for your OS/GAMES and get a couple of 1Tb drives into RAID 1. If you get 3 you can go with jbod or raid 5 (prefer this). If a solid state drive is way too expensive, get a couple of velociraptors from WD and make it a 600gb raid 0 setup... it's good enough on performance.
Cooling? Unless you're planning on overclocking, go with stock cooling! You've got VALUE ram modules so you're not going to do any decent OC anyway. with the hardware you posted = STOCK COOLING MATE! Save yourself a 50 bucks!
Sorry if I sounded harsh... but for a game that's supposed to be full of geeks you suck at getting a decent computer up and running :D
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MouthP1ece
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Stray Bullets
Sorry if I sounded harsh... but for a game that's supposed to be full of geeks you suck at getting a decent computer up and running :D
Harsh nothing - this is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping for. And I have done a fair amount of reading but as someone who only dabbles with PC's as a hobby, the amount of info out there is quite dizzying, hence my posting here :)
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Arimus Darkhart
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:30:00 -
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Wrt to my earlier post; only reason I recommended the OP went for Nvidia over ATI was afaik the motherboard he'd gone for was SLI capable rather than crossfire.
Personally I use a 1GB 4870 and am more than happy with it - bar one gripe... the bloody card is out of manufacture now so can't get a second one for crossfire :(
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Vossejongk
Caldari
Bendebeukers
Green Rhino
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Vossejongk on 27/03/2010 16:00:35
Edited by: Vossejongk on 27/03/2010 16:00:03
Edited by: Vossejongk on 27/03/2010 15:56:07
Edited by: Vossejongk on 27/03/2010 15:55:28
Let me clear this out for all you vista and W7 folks who have >>>>>32<<<<<bit operating system.
Even tho your system info SHOWS you have 4 gb installed(or more), you only USE 3 gb.
This is because a 32bit system only "holds" a maximum of 3072MB RAM. The other 1024MB is reserved for your graphics card and a few other devices. So if you have more RAM/a card that has more then that, and you have a 32 bit system, its really stupid because your operating system cant address more then the limit.
If I recall correctly 64bit can hold up to 128GB of RAM.
So please stop saying that 4GB is the maximum for RAM with a 32bit system and giving people wrong advice based upon that, because its only 3GB.
Edit: Added referring link, see below
http://blogs.msdn.com/hiltonl/archive/2007/04/13/the-3gb-not-4gb-ram-problem.aspx
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Cecilia Syal
Minmatar
al-Syal Brigade
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Posted - 2010.03.27 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Cecilia Syal on 27/03/2010 16:02:13
I would not go with anything less than 8gb ram these days, if you want to avoid using a swap file and killing your disk! , i mean my video card has 1.5gb of ram!! and my laptop has 3gb, usually desktops have 2-3x laptop's so i just went with 8gb
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2010.03.27 16:04:00 -
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If dual channel, 8gb should be the upper limit to concern yourself with.
If tri channel, 12gb should be the upper limit to concern yourself with.
In both situations, using half the capacity is in almost all cases excessive for any games you may be running, including an assortment of background applications. If, on the other hand, you want to be able to keep over 9000 tabs open in the internet browsing app of your choice, I would recommend going for more rather than less, as this will help cull any impact those tabs will have on your gaming experience.
If you are planning on running many EVE or WoW clients, then look at having roughly 512mb and 384mb available per client, respectively, as a minimum to ensure you don't run into capacity bottlenecks.
Most other non MMO games will peak at at most 2gb of ram usage these days, so leaving 1-2gb for background applications/windows is usually more than a safe bet.
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Cecilia Syal
Minmatar
al-Syal Brigade
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Posted - 2010.03.27 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Cecilia Syal on 27/03/2010 16:13:49
Yeah your right i dont use much more than 1gb in most games, eve only takes 400-500mb.. sometimes firefox takes more than eve lol, but i use vmware etc, and dont think i've ever peaked above 4gb usage, but having 8gb is nice and i turned off my swap file!! and can suspend to RAM instead of turning pc off and booting it each morning. (leave just my NAS/router on to download torrents :P)
Realistically you can get by with 2gb, ideal is 3-4. comfy = 8gb :P
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2010.03.27 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vossejongk
Edited by: Vossejongk on 27/03/2010 16:00:35
Edited by: Vossejongk on 27/03/2010 16:00:03
Edited by: Vossejongk on 27/03/2010 15:56:07
Edited by: Vossejongk on 27/03/2010 15:55:28
Let me clear this out for all you vista and W7 folks who have >>>>>32<<<<<bit operating system.
Even tho your system info SHOWS you have 4 gb installed(or more), you only USE 3 gb.
This is because a 32bit system only "holds" a maximum of 3072MB RAM. The other 1024MB is reserved for your graphics card and a few other devices. So if you have more RAM/a card that has more then that, and you have a 32 bit system, its really stupid because your operating system cant address more then the limit.
If I recall correctly 64bit can hold up to 128GB of RAM.
So please stop saying that 4GB is the maximum for RAM with a 32bit system and giving people wrong advice based upon that, because its only 3GB.
Edit: Added referring link, see below
http://blogs.msdn.com/hiltonl/archive/2007/04/13/the-3gb-not-4gb-ram-problem.aspx
Its somewhere between, my system shows 3.25 GB.
The less devices you have, the more you can get out of it, but its not needed anyway.
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Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2010.03.27 16:20:00 -
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As said before, if you're building a new gaming system, you REALLY want a newer videocard than that old junk. I'd go for something like the 5850 or 5870 from ATI.
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Aera Aiana
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Posted - 2010.03.27 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Aera Aiana on 27/03/2010 16:43:53
Using a raid is just looking for trouble. There's always something wrong with the software or hardware and when that finally works one of the drives fails.
If you're already willing to spend three times the price for about one third of additional power, an SSD - at least a small one for the OS - is also an absolute must have. Otherwise it just looks like you're burning money for the show...
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Irulan S'Dijana
Amarr
Drexler Burnum Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.27 16:42:00 -
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Heh...how's this for a reference?
I'm also getting a new computer, but re-using some old stuff too. As far as new stuff goes, this is what I'm getting. Might help. Prices in Australian dollars.
Enermax Revolution85+ SLI 1050W $339.00
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7 Motherboard $419.00
Corsair CMX6GX3M3C1600C7 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 $255.00
Intel Core i7 930 $359.00
Sapphire Radeon HD5850 TOXIC 1GB $439.00
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Rysdan
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.03.27 18:47:00 -
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I have 8gb of RAM and my machine rarely ever uses more than 3gb. I run Win7 64bit. Although I'm new to EVE and currently only run one instance of it, I run mulitple instances of other games just fine. But I'm constantly running other programs in the background. What I wish I had was a better processor. It works just fine, especially in EVE, but I see many times where both cores are taxed at +97%
I'd recommend 4-6gigs, but make sure you don't skimp too much on the cpu and vid card. There's plenty of well priced, not quite top of the line components out there.
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2010.03.27 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Aera Aiana
Edited by: Aera Aiana on 27/03/2010 16:43:53
Using a raid is just looking for trouble. There's always something wrong with the software or hardware and when that finally works one of the drives fails.
If you're already willing to spend three times the price for about one third of additional power, an SSD - at least a small one for the OS - is also an absolute must have. Otherwise it just looks like you're burning money for the show...
You must not know what the idea behind RAID is nor what the benefits of the various configurations are...
Using, as an example, RAID 5, you can achieve high(er) (at the very least, better than single-drive performance) read speeds without sacrificing drive capacity (read: 2x Samsung F3s with an average read speed of 150m/s would operate at a read speed of 250-300mb/s and combine their capacities to act as a single drive) while having a third drive for parity. The primary issue with using RAID5, as with RAID4, boils down to when writing is done and the parity data has to be written; however, worth noting is that this is usually limited to the same speed as the parity drive.
That means that you should, in practise, not lose much, if any write speed in comparison to if you were using just one of that drive.
If the three drives are 640gb, this comes to roughly 1.2gb allowing for loss of space due to manufacturer drive size nomenclature, with the third drive acting as the parity drive, meaning that if any one of the three drives had to fail, you can recover practically all of your data using the parity data distributed among the three drives.
The benefit here is in total raw read speed as opposed to random read/write seek time, which is the single major benefit of using an SSD.
While I won't argue that having an SSD is good for your OS and applications that commit a massive amount of small read/write accesses, which EVE and most games are *not* among, I cannot agree on saying that getting one 160gb SSD is a better idea than spending the same money on a 1.2tb three-drive RAID5 array.
The read data rate on the RAID array is similar, when not better; the seek times are not as good. There is redundancy.
The SSD, should it fail, would result in catastrophic failure with potentially no data recovery capability unless it is placed in its own RAID array, making it multiple times more expensive a venture than the HDD based RAID array.
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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2010.03.27 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Stray Bullets
Feeling insulted by those who say this is a very good machine. Besides having a ridiculous amount of RAM (not needed unless you're doing alot of video/sound encoding, working with large image projects (photoshop, 3dmax, autocad), you have a GPX card that sucks a old war veteran's ass.
Mate, keep the computer simple. Ignore pre-built machines and make your own. There's alot of sites where you can get decent hardware reviews like hardOCP, tomshardware, etc... just READ before you get your wallet stripped for something NOT WORTH IT!
Sound card? Unless you're going to do work with it = waste of money.
NVIDIA? won't even go into this... just go read reviews of ATI vs NVIDIA. NVIDIA = failure atm!
12Gb ram? make it 6, you won't notice a thing.... just be sure to have a 64bit OS installed.
Harddrive setup? WOW this is one of the worst I've seen in a long time. If you want performance, either get a single solid state drive for your OS/GAMES and get a couple of 1Tb drives into RAID 1. If you get 3 you can go with jbod or raid 5 (prefer this). If a solid state drive is way too expensive, get a couple of velociraptors from WD and make it a 600gb raid 0 setup... it's good enough on performance.
Cooling? Unless you're planning on overclocking, go with stock cooling! You've got VALUE ram modules so you're not going to do any decent OC anyway. with the hardware you posted = STOCK COOLING MATE! Save yourself a 50 bucks!
Sorry if I sounded harsh... but for a game that's supposed to be full of geeks you suck at getting a decent computer up and running :D
Allthough I agree with almost everything you posted, I have one thing to add: stock cooling can be loud, and with high ambient temperatures, it can make the system unstable. You're right about the 50 bucks though, I think the Arctic cooling freezer 7 pro rev2 (27$) should do just fine. I don't have any personal experience, but I've read that intel stock cooling is a bit meh. My personal experience with AMD stock coolers has been very positive though.
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