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MouthP1ece	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:22:00 - [1] hi - Admittedly, I'm not the most tech savvy guy in the world, but i'm thinking of buying a new machine and am not sure how much RAM to get. I was looking on a few websites and currently i am tossing up between 6 and 12gb. I will be running Win7 and this is purely a games machine - is 12gb overkill, or just sensible planning for the future? thanks in advance
David Grogan Gallente Final Conflict UK Warped Aggression	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:24:00 - [2] 12gb is overkill but if u can afford it why not :P SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:25:00 - [3] 12g seems a bit overkill IMO. I use 4 gig just fine. ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader!
Shadowy Assistant	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:25:00 - [4] Edited by: Shadowy Assistant on 26/03/2010 18:26:21 Unless if you're running 64-bit, anything higher than 4GB is useless. I don't think there are many games out there that need more than 4GB in the first place.
Iture Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:28:00 - [5] I think the real question should be, how many games do you want to run at once?
MouthP1ece	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:34:00 - [6] Originally by: Iture I think the real question should be, how many games do you want to run at once? To be honest, I mostly just play EvE - will want to run up to 4 clients at once, though.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:37:00 - [7] For a gaming machine 4 gigs is more than sufficient. And like has been stated you will need to use the 64bit version if you want to use anything higher. But the good news is that 64bit drivers have for the most part caught up with win7 so its not an issue to install it unlike at launch when drivers were buggy for the most part. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
TheLordofAllandNothing Caldari United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:39:00 - [8] Originally by: MouthP1ece Originally by: Iture I think the real question should be, how many games do you want to run at once? To be honest, I mostly just play EvE - will want to run up to 4 clients at once, though. 4 Clients on 6 gigs will run very nicely, 12gigs wont have any effect really unless your video encoding whilst playing several instances of crysis. _______________________ Fix rockets in '09 =(
Sig Sour	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:40:00 - [9] Make sure your motherboard and operating system will support how ever much you are putting in there. I run XP so I am limited to 4gb.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:45:00 - [10] Originally by: MouthP1ece Originally by: Iture I think the real question should be, how many games do you want to run at once? To be honest, I mostly just play EvE - will want to run up to 4 clients at once, though. My computer that recently went up in flames had win7 32bit with 4 gigs and it ran 5 clients flawlessly so 6 gigs will work just fine. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.

Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:49:00 - [11] 1.21 gigawatts --- Even though you might disagree with what I say, that doesn't automatically make me a troll.
Marie Hartinez Gallente Aries Munitions and Defense	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:54:00 - [12] I have Win 7 64-bit Ultimate installed and at the moment I only have 4GB's of system memory and my video card has 1GB (used to have XP 32-bit installed). I'm not having any problems, though I only run 2 clients plus a few other programs in background. As someone above said, if you can afford it, why not? There is nothing wrong with having more memory. I myself plan on installing 4GB's more, as 8GB's is the max my motherboard will support. Is it overkill? Maybe, but why buy only 6GB's now and sometime in the future need another 6GB's? Just get the 12 GB's now, you know you want to. Surrender is still your slightly less painful option.
Shadowplay Caldari Occult Industries	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Captain Pompous 1.21 gigawatts Great Scott!
MouthP1ece	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:12:00 - [14] Thank you all for the replies - so this is the system I'm thinking of buying - Case: NZXT Lexa Blackline Gaming Tower Case-Black w/ Red Light Processor: Intel« CoreÖ i7 930 Processor (4x 2.8GHz/8MB L3 Cache)- Processor Cooling: Asetek LiquidáCPU Cooling Systemá(x58)- Memory: 12 GB [2 GB X6] DDR3-1333 Triple Memory Module-Corsair Value or Major Brand Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9500GT û 1GB-SLI Mode (Dual Cards) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R -- Intel X58 Chipset CrossFire and SLI Supported w/8-ch HD Audio, Tripple Channel DDR3, Gb LAN, 4 PCI-E 2.0 x16 MB- Power Supply: 800 Watt -- Power Supply-SLI Ready Primary Hard Drive: 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s-Dual 500GB Drives (1TB Capacity) - RAID 0 High Performance Optical Drive: 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD¦R/¦RW + CD-R/RW Drive-Black 2nd Optical Drive: 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD¦R/¦RW + CD-R/RW Drive-Black Meter Display: NZXTáSentryá2áLCD Touch ScreenáFan Controllerá/w Temperatures Display-Black Sound Card: Creative LabsáSound Blaster X-FiáXtreme Audio- Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7áProfessional + [Free 60-Day !!!]áMicrosoft Officeá2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....)-64-Bit comments or suggestions?
Arimus Darkhart Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:22:00 - [15] Looks very nice... so way too powerful and should be given to me (our boiler has broken so it can kill two birds with one stone ;) ) Serious suggestions now: 1. Consider using an SSD for your OS/boot device 2. Think you might get more bang for your buck going for a Geforce GTX or the 9800 series cards. Depending on what other games you play not sure how much Eve will benefit from SLI/crossfire. -- Users are like a virus - each causing a thousand tiny crises until the host finally dies.
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Primary.	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Captain Pompous 1.21 gigawatts That reminds me: On Singularity, the Planetary Command Centers currently have a dummy value of grid usage as 1.21 MW. I don't think that's a coincidence.
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Primary.	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Arimus Darkhart 1. Consider using an SSD for your OS/boot device Haven't looked at prices lately, but a few months ago, it was still cheaper and nearly as fast to buy two HDD and run off a RAID. Anyway, might be a good idea to research both and see which is best for you, OP.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:34:00 - [18] Originally by: MouthP1ece Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9500GT û 1GB-SLI Mode (Dual Cards) Eve does not like sli and will go all funky on you. Drop the slo and get the biggest baddest single card you can afford be it ati or nvidia. Be aware that incarna is being developed with nvidia's apex tech so that might be a consideration for you. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
MouthP1ece	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: MouthP1ece Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9500GT û 1GB-SLI Mode (Dual Cards) Eve does not like sli and will go all funky on you. Drop the slo and get the biggest baddest single card you can afford be it ati or nvidia. Be aware that incarna is being developed with nvidia's apex tech so that might be a consideration for you. Thank you for all the input - again, not all that tech savvy, but are you saying that SLI might work with Incana, or just that Apex will natively work better on Nvidia cards? one of my pals just told me ATI are pulling away from Nvidia in terms of ability and he recommended, like you, dropping the SLI and going for one, big, beefy (ATI) card - does this seem reasonable to you guys?
Wired Workhorse Industries	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:42:00 - [20] Originally by: MouthP1ece Thank you all for the replies - so this is the system I'm thinking of buying - Case: NZXT Lexa Blackline Gaming Tower Case-Black w/ Red Light Processor: Intel« CoreÖ i7 930 Processor (4x 2.8GHz/8MB L3 Cache)- Processor Cooling: Asetek LiquidáCPU Cooling Systemá(x58)- Memory: 12 GB [2 GB X6] DDR3-1333 Triple Memory Module-Corsair Value or Major Brand Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9500GT û 1GB-SLI Mode (Dual Cards) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R -- Intel X58 Chipset CrossFire and SLI Supported w/8-ch HD Audio, Tripple Channel DDR3, Gb LAN, 4 PCI-E 2.0 x16 MB- Power Supply: 800 Watt -- Power Supply-SLI Ready Primary Hard Drive: 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s-Dual 500GB Drives (1TB Capacity) - RAID 0 High Performance Optical Drive: 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD¦R/¦RW + CD-R/RW Drive-Black 2nd Optical Drive: 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD¦R/¦RW + CD-R/RW Drive-Black Meter Display: NZXTáSentryá2áLCD Touch ScreenáFan Controllerá/w Temperatures Display-Black Sound Card: Creative LabsáSound Blaster X-FiáXtreme Audio- Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7áProfessional + [Free 60-Day !!!]áMicrosoft Officeá2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....)-64-Bit comments or suggestions? Is this a pre-built system from 'Cyberpower'? I always associate NZXT cases with builds from there. GFX card is crap, the 9500 is a rebranded 8600, and you've got 2 of them, you could spend the same cash on 1 much more powerful card. And since you want a gaming rig, this is an area you should invest in Am I reading that right in that you;re getting a RAID set-up....err probably not what I'd recommend, as if 1 drive goes wrong you've lost the data on both drives, use 1 drive for OS and the other for files, that way formatting OS or losing 1 disk doesn't take everything with it. 2 optical drives??? I hardly ever use my 1, except to hold a cup of tea in. About that cooler...I've only heard good things about the 'Titan Fenrir', which is probably cheaper than something that claims to be a 'Liquid cooler' (Someone will, at this point say water cooling is better, but I don't see a radiator/pump/reservoir in this list, so am assuming air cooling) Do you really need the sound card? Mobo sound is very good these days, but a separate soundcard can gain you a few extra fps...maybe consider a Xonar sound card LCD Touch screen fan controller...I'll say no more What's your budget, if you let me know I'll see (and I'm sure others on here too) what i can piece together ============================================= My sig got edited, and all i got was a lousy e-mail

Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:45:00 - [21] Afaik incarna isn't going to support sli but then again they haven't said it won't but don't count on it though. And the apex tech uses the newer nvidia gpu's to offload massive amounts of processing from the cpu and greatly enhance the amount of detail of movement you get. Ati does not support this and will rely on the cpu to do all the work. Not good news unless you have a top performaing cpu and even then I will bet you will still get reduced quality. So as far as eve is concerned I would reccomend nividia over ati even if ati has the better price/performance point atm. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
MouthP1ece	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Wired Is this a pre-built system from 'Cyberpower'? I always associate NZXT cases with builds from there. GFX card is crap, the 9500 is a rebranded 8600, and you've got 2 of them, you could spend the same cash on 1 much more powerful card. And since you want a gaming rig, this is an area you should invest in Am I reading that right in that you;re getting a RAID set-up....err probably not what I'd recommend, as if 1 drive goes wrong you've lost the data on both drives, use 1 drive for OS and the other for files, that way formatting OS or losing 1 disk doesn't take everything with it. 2 optical drives??? I hardly ever use my 1, except to hold a cup of tea in. About that cooler...I've only heard good things about the 'Titan Fenrir', which is probably cheaper than something that claims to be a 'Liquid cooler' (Someone will, at this point say water cooling is better, but I don't see a radiator/pump/reservoir in this list, so am assuming air cooling) Do you really need the sound card? Mobo sound is very good these days, but a separate soundcard can gain you a few extra fps...maybe consider a Xonar sound card LCD Touch screen fan controller...I'll say no more What's your budget, if you let me know I'll see (and I'm sure others on here too) what i can piece together It is indeed pre-built from Cyberpower - with the help of my brother-in-law I have been building my own machines since about 99, but there always seem to be problems afterwards and this time thought i'd spend a little more and have someone else put it together for me. I'm looking at spending ~$1500, but will go $100 or so above that, if it makes a difference to the machine. if you (and others) have suggestions, I'd love to hear them - the problem with being a non-techy gamer is that I always have to rely on others for recommendations and would love to be pointed in the right direction. thanks again to everyone who posted in this thread!
Delenne Sheridan	Posted - 2010.03.26 20:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr 12g seems a bit overkill IMO. I use 4 gig just fine. Sorry you have so little memory on that computer, maybe obama will buy you some soon....
Wired Workhorse Industries	Posted - 2010.03.26 20:25:00 - [24] A number of companies who sell the components, will put it all together for you for a small premium, also by doing it this way you do get a lot more control over the components I see use of the '$', so I'm immediately assuming you're US based which may have an affect on the price + availability of some of the following components, but hopefully my thoughts will be a bit useful Case: Antec 900-II Mobo: ASUS P6T SE CPU: Core i7-930 CPU Cooler: Titan Fenrir RAM: Corsair XM3 PC3-12800 (3x2GB) <--Get another of these if you want HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB (Get a couple of these if you want) Sound: Asus Xonar DX PSU: 650W Antec TruePower New (or if you want a bit more headroom go for a PROPER BRANDED 850W) - cheap PSU's can take your whole system down. GFX: ATI 5870 (Probably best price v performance at the moment) Optical: Just pick a black one. OS: Win7 Office: Open Office For anyone that reads CustomPC, yes, i have just ripped off their buyers guide. But this does resemble what I will be looking to buy myself in the near future (and my current comp was built from the aforementioned buyers guide). ============================================= My sig got edited, and all i got was a lousy e-mail
Ogier	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:01:00 - [25] Silly question but why the older i7's and 1366 Mobo Surely the 1156 and something like the core i7 860 would be a tad more future proof As it is virtualy the same price. Ogier
Kessiaan Minmatar Vagrants Inc	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:08:00 - [26] As much as you can afford, and your OS is capable of using. Memory requirements for just about everything tend to increase over time. I remember back in the 80s when everyone thought 640K would always be way more than enough for any PC.
MouthP1ece	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Ogier Silly question but why the older i7's and 1366 Mobo Surely the 1156 and something like the core i7 860 would be a tad more future proof As it is virtualy the same price. Ogier Was that to me, or the guy that posted above you?
Fille Balle Ballbreakers R us	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Arimus Darkhart 2. Think you might get more bang for your buck going for a Geforce GTX or the 9800 series cards. Since we're on the subject of bang per buck, I heard Ati cards offer way more bang per buck than Nvidia cards these day. I have a 3870 myself, and I'm very happy with it. I've heard the 5770's are slightly better than the 3870's, and they're cheaper as well (well, cheaper than what I paid for mine anyways). I don't want to start a Nvidia vs. Ati discussion, but reviews tell me that what people are saying about Ati is correct. And before anybody starts to moan about Ati drivers, I only had trouble with my drivers in January right after I changed to Win7. After the v10 drivers where released, I've not had a single problem. I've been thinking about getting a 5770 myself, as it's very good value for money. I've also oveclocked my 3870 about 100 mhz (ram and gpu), and it still runs just fine. Never had any issues at all. Don't know how well Nvidia cards oveclock these days, but I remember my geeforce 4 mx (that too, was a rembranded chip, in fact, it was a gf2 chip), and it didn't like being oveclocked a lot. That being said, I also think it's really lame of Nvidia to rebrand their chips. The only occation I've heard of AMD/Ati doing this is with the 4200 (integrated mb gpu) which is basically a 3400 with 4000 series instruction sets (I know, because I have one).
Ogier	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:18:00 - [29] Originally by: MouthP1ece Originally by: Ogier Silly question but why the older i7's and 1366 Mobo Surely the 1156 and something like the core i7 860 would be a tad more future proof As it is virtualy the same price. Ogier Was that to me, or the guy that posted above you? I suppose when you look at it ... Both. Ogier
Creepy Goat Schindlers Ignore List	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:36:00 - [30] Someone already mentioned it, but I can also reccomend the 5870. Review here. It is a very good card, possibly the best available in its price bracket. Signature removed for editing moderator warning. Zymurgist



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