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Anonymous Player	Posted - 2010.03.27 01:32:00 - [1] Ugh, I get so freaking tired of having to pay these additional ****ing "International Transaction" fees! I mean, $2 isn't bad but it's an additional $14 a month for me, and got forbid I want to buy one of the over-priced GTC's. This game is a rip-off, and American players shouldn't be unfairly punished.
Charlemeign BESTIAL CARNAGE	Posted - 2010.03.27 01:34:00 - [2] BESTI Merc Service
Vanakov Mek'lanavar 0utbreak	Posted - 2010.03.27 01:35:00 - [3] go away please
Tsumei Meyren Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.03.27 01:36:00 - [4] Get a better bank/Credit card company -------------------------------------------------------- Creative Cookie Procuring [Girl.] Are recruiting!
Allaera Caldari Avatar Dynasty THE-FEDERATION	Posted - 2010.03.27 01:37:00 - [5] Move Financial Transactions To The AUS(stralia), PLEASE! fixed it for you. Pull ya bloody head in m8, you're making US players look bad
Anonymous Player	Posted - 2010.03.27 01:38:00 - [6] Well, three of the largest financial institutions are charging the same thing. Citi, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo/Wachovia. I don't use anything but those three, so I can't comment on other banks or financial institutions.
Xyfu Minmatar Shadow's of Ezra On the Rocks	Posted - 2010.03.27 01:38:00 - [7] Or, OP, you could suck less ****. Just sayin'. _____ ^ That is a sig line. It should be there without me having to put one in.
Krist Valentine Amarr Diablo Advocatus	Posted - 2010.03.27 01:38:00 - [8] Edited by: Krist Valentine on 27/03/2010 01:40:29 =[
on noserssssss	Posted - 2010.03.27 01:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Tsumei Meyren Get a better bank/Credit card company This. Bank Of America FTW!
Anonymous Player	Posted - 2010.03.27 01:45:00 - [10] Edited by: Anonymous Player on 27/03/2010 01:45:57 Originally by: Xyfu Or, OP, you could suck less **. Just sayin'. You're just jealous because it's not yours. I guess you'll have to settle for sucking your own like always. Originally by:** on noserssssss Originally by: Tsumei Meyren Get a better bank/Credit card company This. Bank Of America FTW! I use Bank of America, and I am getting charged a $2 "International Fee" that started appearing on my statement in January.

The Crushah Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.03.27 01:46:00 - [11] IM ****ED AND I THINK THAT RANTING ON THE FORUMS WILL MAKE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR COMPANY COMPLY WITH MY DEMANDS!!!!!
Aqriue	Posted - 2010.03.27 01:55:00 - [12] Quote: $2 isn't bad but it's an additional $14 a month for me Your complaining $2 isn't bad, but that when its additional $14 a month is just pure evil. I am assuming when it reaches that extra 14 that your paying for 7 accounts? Search for the item PLEX, buy, and right click a couple accounts. Let someone else pay for your time through virtual isk. But it looks like prices on PLEX have rocketed up about 10-15 million this past week and will probably get higher, paying an extra billion for just 3 accounts would be a hassle to farm =/
Mahai Ano Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.03.27 01:58:00 - [13] Quote: I'm waay too cheap to have a proper bank Get a better one, troll!
Anonymous Player	Posted - 2010.03.27 02:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Aqriue Quote: $2 isn't bad but it's an additional $14 a month for me Your complaining $2 isn't bad, but that when its additional $14 a month is just pure evil. I am assuming when it reaches that extra 14 that your paying for 7 accounts? Search for the item PLEX, buy, and right click a couple accounts. Let someone else pay for your time through virtual isk. But it looks like prices on PLEX have rocketed up about 10-15 million this past week and will probably get higher, paying an extra billion for just 3 accounts would be a hassle to farm =/ I paid with PLEX for a while, but I enjoy shooting people (And often losing ships!) too much, so I started using my ISK for ship replacements and other toys (Cynabal, etc). The problem is, I'd have to make 50m ISK/hour for 10 hours a week, just to cover the accounts, let alone anything I want to purchase.
Travis Bikle	Posted - 2010.03.27 02:11:00 - [15] I use PayPal to avoid the monthly fee, only issue with that is PayPal does not renew automatically which is stupid in itself.
Matalino	Posted - 2010.03.27 02:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Anonymous Player Originally by: Mahai Ano Quote: I'm waay too cheap to have a proper bank Get a better one, troll! I agree, Bank of America sucks, as do the other two banks that I use, but they account for at least 30% of all American people, so it isn't like I am using some crappy local banks. Interestingly a recent assignment in one of my online university courses was to look at credit cards offered by different banks. One of the points highlighted in that research is that the bigger American banks are more likely to screw you over with their fees than the smaller banks. Like the others have said: find a better bank. Fortunately the big banks that I have delt with here in Canada don't charge an surcharge on foreign transactions, just the standard exchange rate.
San5ha Globo Gym Purple Cobras	Posted - 2010.03.27 02:28:00 - [17] no kidding, even using freaking paypal would remedy this
Anonymous Player	Posted - 2010.03.27 02:42:00 - [18] Originally by: San5ha no kidding, even using freaking paypal would remedy this Please note that recurring payment options are not available for PayPal Ö. This is an annoying problem with PayPal, I have to manually go in and reactivate my accounts. If they would change it so I don't have to make so many manual payments with PayPal, it would be an option...
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.03.27 02:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Anonymous Player Please note that recurring payment options are not available for PayPal ™. Like you do care? Just pay your bills. Nobody deny you to pay as much as you want. -- Thanks CCP for cu
Neo Omni Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.27 02:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Anonymous Player Originally by: San5ha no kidding, even using freaking paypal would remedy this Please note that recurring payment options are not available for PayPal Ö. This is an annoying problem with PayPal, I have to manually go in and reactivate my accounts. If they would change it so I don't have to make so many manual payments with PayPal, it would be an option... Pay for 6 months at a time. Problem solved.

Kenz Rider J Club	Posted - 2010.03.27 02:53:00 - [21] or just pay for 3 and you save $2 a month.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.03.27 02:58:00 - [22] why not pick a bank that looks out for you isntead? Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 24FEB10
Cid Mutation	Posted - 2010.03.27 03:06:00 - [23] Wrong forum, you should have posted in crime and punishment. :P
ghosttr Amarr Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.03.27 03:47:00 - [24] why dont you just use paypal? CCP has it as an option now and they dont charge any fees. My bank doesnt charge fees either btw, so you could also look into calling your bank and chewing some ass
K'Daai Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.03.27 03:55:00 - [25] That "International Transaction" is a fee from your bank not from CCP. Your bank sucks dude, I live in Europe and I pay 0 international transaction fee. Get a new bank or use paypal, or give me your stuff.
Evocationz Amarr Conclave Of Fables	Posted - 2010.03.27 04:06:00 - [26] Well if your country's government wasn't such a bunch corrupt tools who snap money, ud be fine go nuke urself :) Shamelessly Stolen Sig - it Owns All
Major PewPew The Dark Horses	Posted - 2010.03.27 04:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Anonymous Player Ugh, I get so freaking tired of having to pay these additional ****ing "International Transaction" fees! I mean, $2 isn't bad but it's an additional $14 a month for me, and got forbid I want to buy one of the over-priced GTC's. This game is a rip-off, and American players shouldn't be unfairly punished. your stuff...i'd ask for it. but with this amount of whine, i'd assume you have none
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.03.27 08:06:00 - [28] Originally by: Anonymous Player Ugh, I get so freaking tired of having to pay these additional **ing "International Transaction" fees! I mean, $2 isn't bad but it's an additional $14 a month for me, and got forbid I want to buy one of the over-priced GTC's. This game is a rip-off, and American players shouldn't be unfairly punished. Pay yearly, then. With 7 accounts you'll save: 11 months x 7 accounts x $2 = $144 And then the discount for yearly subs 7 accounts x ((12 x $14.95) - ($131.40) = $48) = $336 Total saving: $480**
Amaron Ghant Caldari Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.27 08:42:00 - [29] Contrary to your belief OP , the US isn't the Centre of the Universe with everything and everyone else revolving around it.
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.03.27 08:50:00 - [30] Originally by: Amaron Ghant Contrary to your belief OP , the US isn't the Centre of the Universe with everything and everyone else revolving around it.

Jhonas Riddick Caldari Liberate Tutemet ex Inferis	Posted - 2010.03.27 09:00:00 - [31] Originally by: Anonymous Player I use Bank of America, and I am getting charged a $2 "International Fee" that started appearing on my statement in January. So in January your bank started to screw you over and you want CCP to fix it by moving their financial operations to the U.S?
KyraStar	Posted - 2010.03.27 09:37:00 - [32] please keep it this way, i enjoy buying my GTC'S from the USA with my british pound, got to love xchange rates
Alexia Diana	Posted - 2010.03.27 09:39:00 - [33] Stop defending the "Corporate Capitalism" next time then!
Nareg Maxence Gallente JotunHeim Hird	Posted - 2010.03.27 10:22:00 - [34] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Anonymous Player Ugh, I get so freaking tired of having to pay these additional **ing "International Transaction" fees! I mean, $2 isn't bad but it's an additional $14 a month for me, and got forbid I want to buy one of the over-priced GTC's. This game is a rip-off, and American players shouldn't be unfairly punished. Pay yearly, then. With 7 accounts you'll save: 11 months x 7 accounts x $2 = $144 And then the discount for yearly subs 7 accounts x ((12 x $14.95) - ($131.40) = $48) = $336 Total saving: $480** THIS!!! It's not like with 7 accounts you will suddenly decide to quit the game.
Hrodgar Ortal Minmatar Ma'adim Logistics	Posted - 2010.03.27 13:16:00 - [35] Originally by: Anonymous Player This game is a rip-off, and American players shouldn't be unfairly punished. But EVERYONE else should be???
Seishi Maru The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2010.03.27 14:55:00 - [36] My bank charges me 3 cents for international operation. So yeah.. find a better bank.
Doddy The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.27 15:33:00 - [37] So you are blaming ccp for your bank charging you for using its services .... Thats nearly as bad as the people blaming ccp for their nations using dayliught savings.
Mahai Ano Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.03.27 15:51:00 - [38] Edited by: Mahai Ano on 27/03/2010 15:51:02 Other idea: get a frigging credit/debit card. Yeah, it costs some. Not much though. I only pay the current exchange rates with my visa, nothing more.
Sourpsalm Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.27 15:59:00 - [39] How about you move to Iceland you ignorant xenophobe.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.03.27 16:01:00 - [40] The OP has a point, but 6 month subscriptions does mostly fix the issue. Wherever you went - Here you are.

Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2010.03.27 16:04:00 - [41] People are so mean nowadays. Please forgive the OP for his stupidity, it isn't his fault, he is just from the USA.
mygirl2 Caldari Hell's Horsemen Z.E.R.G	Posted - 2010.03.27 16:16:00 - [42] Im using one of those crappy local banks as described above... and only get charged $0.20 a month. WoW has kids EvE has Cry Babies
WishBlade Caldari Kaldern Prime	Posted - 2010.03.27 23:47:00 - [43] So, wait. You're crying, cause you have to pay $15+$2=$17 (DUH! math) monthly per account while the Europeans pay approximately $20 per account BEFORE any transaction fees are applied? I would love to pay even $17 for my EvE, cause that would amount to appr. 12.85Ç, but no, I have to pay $20. Thank heavens for sites like evetimecodes, and shatteredcrystal. Aweseomenessness
Beanard	Posted - 2010.03.28 00:24:00 - [44] Originally by: Anonymous Player Edited by: Anonymous Player on 27/03/2010 01:45:57 Originally by: Xyfu Off-topic.Applebabe Originally by: on noserssssss Originally by: Tsumei Meyren Get a better bank/Credit card company This. Bank Of America FTW! I use Bank of America, and I am getting charged a $2 "International Fee" that started appearing on my statement in January. When did you start playing, because BoA charged the 'International Fee' for the month I paid for last summer.
Blasphemour	Posted - 2010.03.29 09:48:00 - [45] Originally by: WishBlade So, wait. You're crying, cause you have to pay $15+$2=$17 (DUH! math) monthly per account while the Europeans pay approximately $20 per account BEFORE any transaction fees are applied? I would love to pay even $17 for my EvE, cause that would amount to appr. 12.85Ç, but no, I have to pay $20. Thank heavens for sites like evetimecodes, and shatteredcrystal. This.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.03.29 10:33:00 - [46] Originally by: Anonymous Player Ugh, I get so freaking tired of having to pay these additional **ing "International Transaction" fees! I mean, $2 isn't bad but it's an additional $14 a month for me, and got forbid I want to buy one of the over-priced GTC's. This game is a rip-off, and American players shouldn't be unfairly punished. Ofcource the US bank charges you for the transaction! Anything else would have been socialistic or worse: communism! Originally by:** Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.29 10:41:00 - [47] I agree, but then you also have to pay what all others have to pay, so no more cheap dollar subscriptions.
Drenan State War Academy	Posted - 2010.03.29 11:42:00 - [48] When oh when are people going to realise that we exist only to provide the agar that bankers require to thrive?
Suz1	Posted - 2010.03.29 11:54:00 - [49] I bank with JPMorgan Chase. I have no fees for international charges. Not even when I use my debit card to buy a soda at the airport in Seoul.
Aera Aiana	Posted - 2010.03.29 12:01:00 - [50] Aren't you guys already paying a lot less then we Europeans? 14.95Ç equals only 11.12Ç and even with your bank's transaction tax it's still 1.83Ç short of what we pay....

Yiffi	Posted - 2010.03.29 12:21:00 - [51] Originally by: Sourpsalm How about you move to Iceland you ignorant xenophobe. Lol, ******.
Azran Zala Fleet of the Damned	Posted - 2010.03.29 12:32:00 - [52] Edited by: Azran Zala on 29/03/2010 12:36:33 Get a decent bank. Or use paypal.
Zenst Aliastra	Posted - 2010.03.29 12:49:00 - [53] Originally by: Anonymous Player Ugh, I get so freaking tired of having to pay these additional ****ing "International Transaction" fees! I mean, $2 isn't bad but it's an additional $14 a month for me, and got forbid I want to buy one of the over-priced GTC's. This game is a rip-off, and American players shouldn't be unfairly punished. if GTC's are overpriced then maybe its factoring in the tax there, either way nomatter what you buy using money you end up paying TAX at somestage or another, this is how it roll's alas. Now given CCP are Icelandic and as such a registered Iclandic company then they are going to end up paying local TAX in some form as well. Somebody has to prop up the local banks. This is how it roll's alas. But as CCP is also a international company and they also have local expenditure then the ability to spread income inline with expenditure would possibly allow for this solution: Limited number of localy generated GTC's that are sold within the region of the local generation and as such afford CCP a way to balance the books. This would be something they could look into though dont see many CCP ACCOUNTANTS posting on these forums :). The upside of this would be a means of accomodating TAX's on the balance sheet in a more affordable way reducing overheads to not only CCP but a fair proportion of the player base. As I said it would be limited as CCP would not be wishing to generate more local income compared to there local outlay(aka running costs like local office, staff pay, coffee etc). This would enable CCP to be better placed to leverage local TAX's to there best advantage akin to how Microsoft runs there accounts from a single state in america due to state tax liabilities being at there lowest; CCP would be able to better leverage this model of accounting but upon a global basis. But that's my best suggestion and I'm no accountant nor TAX certified expert. What suggestions do others have that would benifit the player without penalising CCP, anybody?
Iaoth	Posted - 2010.03.29 13:19:00 - [54] Originally by: Anonymous Player Well, three of the largest financial institutions are charging the same thing. Citi, *Bank of America*, and Wells Fargo/Wachovia. I don't use anything but those three, so I can't comment on other banks or financial institutions. Not sure why you put that there. I've been banking with BoA for over 15 years, been playing this game since '07 and haven't had the first hint of what you are describing. $14.99 per account is what I pay, period. No "international fees", no "exchange fees', so, not quite sure what you are on about............
Camino Archer	Posted - 2010.03.29 15:46:00 - [55] My bank just started refuseing to pay. I just use my paypal account instead. They told me the servers for the transaction are in Britain. When I tried to tell them that Britain is our friend, they just repeated that the servers are in Britain
Roux Michon	Posted - 2010.03.29 18:40:00 - [56] Originally by: Anonymous Player Edited by: Anonymous Player on 27/03/2010 01:45:57 Originally by: Xyfu Off-topic.Applebabe Originally by: on noserssssss Originally by: Tsumei Meyren Get a better bank/Credit card company This. Bank Of America FTW! I use Bank of America, and I am getting charged a $2 "International Fee" that started appearing on my statement in January. Bank of America is the biggest scam running in the banking world... they used to charge people for talking to a teller at the bank... EVEN when there was a problem THEY caused with an account. They will use any possible way to squeeze a few extra pennies out of anyone, and everyone... the bank I have now pays me, thats right, all those fees BoA charges... "non-network ATM fees" even the $2 the random ATM at the airport charges I get BACK every month. I also get paid a % of my debit card purchases and interest on my checking account monthly. If your bank is jacking with you and telling you to take it... Take it or GO ELSEWHERE. The only reason banks are able to do this crap to you is because you think there is nowhere else to go. Also, even the federal government and dept of defense have stopped using BoA... that should tell you something. Find a new bank, and let your money do the talking... thats how America works.
MrBinary Minmatar Binary Systems	Posted - 2010.03.29 21:36:00 - [57] Originally by: Anonymous Player Ugh, I amerkan and i demand to be treated specical! Let us control yer monies so we can spend mor on killing innocents und steal mor monies! now let me go wave a flag cuz we r mor specical than u! Quote: Troll. Fixed. Now go away. "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
Cor Aidan Shore Leave	Posted - 2010.03.29 23:19:00 - [58] Originally by: WishBlade So, wait. You're crying, cause you have to pay $15+$2=$17 (DUH! math) monthly per account while the Europeans pay approximately $20 per account BEFORE any transaction fees are applied? I would love to pay even $17 for my EvE, cause that would amount to appr. 12.85Ç, but no, I have to pay $20. Thank heavens for sites like evetimecodes, and shatteredcrystal. You're doing your conversion rates wrong. You can't just look at the nominal rates, you have to look at what equal amounts of currency buy you in your local region. Here in the US, a monthly subscription goes for $15. This is 15 items on a dollar value menu. Assuming there is a 'euro value menu' at similar venues in the EU, your Ç15 is also 15 items on the menu! So in actuality you're paying exactly the same price, at least in terms of value-menu items. A comparison of nominal rates without other considerations is at best misleading.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2010.03.29 23:22:00 - [59] Edited by: Super Whopper on 29/03/2010 23:22:53 Originally by: Benri Konpaku People are so mean nowadays. Please forgive the OP for his stupidity, it isn't his fault, he is just from the USA. Originally by: MrBinary Originally by: Anonymous Player Ugh, I amerkan and i demand to be treated specical! Let us control yer monies so we can spend mor on killing innocents und steal mor monies! now let me go wave a flag cuz we r mor specical than u! Troll. Fixed. Now go away. Everything I wanted to say has already been said.
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts	Posted - 2010.03.29 23:32:00 - [60] Huh... Thats funny, I use Wells Fargo and I have NEVER been charged any $2 fees... -------------------------------------------- Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...

Silvensis Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.30 08:05:00 - [61] Originally by: Anonymous Player Ugh, I get so freaking tired of having to pay these additional ****ing "International Transaction" fees! I mean, $2 isn't bad but it's an additional $14 a month for me, and got forbid I want to buy one of the over-priced GTC's. This game is a rip-off, and American players shouldn't be unfairly punished. Hmmm. I wonder if the reason you're garnering relatively little sympathy in this case is that many non-American EVE players have had ample experience of the greater mass of MMOs? Most tend to treat America as their actual intended audience, and anyone who strays in from any of the world's lesser, benighted nations is considered a mere bonus, tolerated for the sake of their subscription (once their heathen value tokens are converted into God's Own Currency, of course). (For the record, no: I have no problem with Americans at all. Actually, I quite like them. Some of them, anyway. But there are one or two who really seem to have trouble acknowledging that other nations can have any significance at all.)
Moni Toimikone Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.30 08:20:00 - [62] Originally by: Amaron Ghant Contrary to your belief OP , the US isn't the Centre of the Universe with everything and everyone else revolving around it. SHOCK
Tallaran Kouros Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.30 11:14:00 - [63] Originally by: Anonymous Player My bank is bending me over and shafting me and I enjoy it too much to go find another bank that won't shaft me as hard. Also, the US should be the centre of the world and you should move everything to the US because we are teh awesomes. No.
Swiftgaze Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.30 11:30:00 - [64] Originally by: Anonymous Player Ugh, I get so freaking tired of having to pay these additional ****ing "International Transaction" fees! I mean, $2 isn't bad but it's an additional $14 a month for me, and got forbid I want to buy one of the over-priced GTC's. This game is a rip-off, and American players shouldn't be unfairly punished. Ahahahahaha
Melor Rend	Posted - 2010.03.30 11:30:00 - [65] Edited by: Melor Rend on 30/03/2010 11:32:20 Edited by: Melor Rend on 30/03/2010 11:30:36 imo the OP should stop whining and be glad he only pays 14$ (or 16$) and not 14Ç like most EU-citizens have to. 1$ != 1Ç by any stretch of the imagination. Also, couldn't you simply use PayPal or something? There should be no "international fee" for that payment since your bank only has to transfer the funds to PayPal (US) and then PayPal have to worry about the rest (and afaik no international fees are charged in PayPal). btw. A further solution would also be to move to a first world county.. you know, one with public healthcare and all that hehe
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2010.03.31 05:07:00 - [66] Originally by: Melor Rend Edited by: Melor Rend on 30/03/2010 11:32:20 Edited by: Melor Rend on 30/03/2010 11:30:36 imo the OP should stop whining and be glad he only pays 14$ (or 16$) and not 14Ç like most EU-citizens have to. 1$ != 1Ç by any stretch of the imagination. Also, couldn't you simply use PayPal or something? There should be no "international fee" for that payment since your bank only has to transfer the funds to PayPal (US) and then PayPal have to worry about the rest (and afaik no international fees are charged in PayPal). btw. A further solution would also be to move to a first world county.. you know, one with public healthcare and all that hehe You mean those communist countries that aren't bankrupting themselves to save people too fat to die (or in corporate terms, too big to die)?


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