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Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.03.27 12:53:00 - [1] Edited by: Minigin on 27/03/2010 12:53:41 I am a firm believer of the april fools theory. but ive decided to GRACE CAOD WITH MY GENIOUS ONCE MORE! bizniz 1: In most eve wars that have passed there has usualy been one party (be it an alliance or coalition) that has been accused of blobbing. Now without pointing fingers, i want to ask why people point fingers at coalitions which "bring the blob" my thoughts are that people who bring more tend to "need" more people to win fights, diminishing the value of players (or in otherwords in people minds masking the fact that they suck balls) this is a perception which i believe to be held by many "pvp orriented alliances" as these alliances are the ones that would put more emphasis on quality members as oppose to "industrial alliances" which require a larger memberbase to... i dunno what it is you carebears do with all your time... run around building **** and pretending your important? ANYWAY! we now have an assumption: more not so good people will win a fight against fewer better people. being in the nc myself for some period of time, i always used to ask our alliance leaders "why are we blue to people who are litteraly 50 jumps away who we have little to no contact with and who if i met the vast majority of i would dislike?" the answer always amounted to the same thing "we are part of a coalition that will come to our aid if we need them therefore we do as we are told" (now that those coalitions never came to any of those alliances aid is a seperate issue). now what i want to do is compare this to the alliance system in pre-ww europe. you have a bunch of alliances which are "naping up" not because they know or like each other, but as a mutual disinsentive to attack each others assets. while im sure this all worked so well in real life and couldnt doubt you lot are emulating this to achieve a great and lasting peace throughout europe, sorry i mean eve, has anyone stopped to remember this is a game, and that you would be losing pixels having fun? i believe the "grunts" in eve dont really bother to sit down and think what they want from the game. they just do as they are told by people who they have listend to for a little while because a) people are just dumb like that and b) they want to feel like they are "winning" despite how bored they are while playing THIS GAME! regardless of this i believe that the incentive to "nap up" is really only pushed for by the "higher ups" in alliances, as opposed to the casual or even regular gamers. SRSBIZ 2: in light of this i am forced to think of another theory, to explain why people (in particular alliance leaders) want to give a disincentive for people to "take their space". i have arrived at 3 1. The head of the alliance is converting all the isk to real money. (you can laugh... but its happend. more creative ceos have plain out asked for members to donate money to put down deposits on their houses) 2. the head of the alliance isnt particularlly good at doing things irl, so looks eagerly at his creation and thinks hes done a good job (a feeling he is so deprived of in other areas of his life) - i know it sounds harsh... but really there arnt that many answers as to why people would willingly bore themselves in a game. 3. my favourite explanation to nearly everything: people are dumb. dumb people make stupid choices and i quite regularly point out that at least half of the population is bellow avarage and the eve community (being a gaming community) tends not to attract those from the upper half of the ladder too often -_-'''. anyway, i was going to go on and write a long winded post (longer than this) but im running out of characters here and i want to sum up: if this war does happen, learn from your mistakes grunts. this game has a lot of potential to be "fun". it doesnt need to be about hours of senseless waiting for blueballs or lag. question your "leaders" and if they dont have a good enough reason to be wasting your time, throw them to the dogs. . [limegreen]MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.03.27 13:06:00 - [2] and here i thought people would APPRECIATE THAT I SPENT EVERY AVAILABLE CHARACTER ON IMPORTANT SPACESHIP BIZZNIZ! i couldnt even close my colour bracket =( . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.03.27 17:58:00 - [3] Originally by: SATAN Theory number 2 is dead wrong. Any alliance leader which can be considered somewhat successful in the game must have learned how to do so from somewhere, and is also smart enough to understand how building/maintaining an alliance needs to be done. They may be many things liars, backstabbers, thieves, pond scum, etc, etc... But one thing they are not is dumb, they prey on the stupid like politicians do and the stupid thank them for it. this is actually an excellent point, and perhaps i didnt reach it due to my own lack of thought or the damned character limit -_- certainly there are extremely intelligent leaders of alliances. but i wouldnt say most or even many are. when you look at coalitions like the nc or the sc, you will see maybe one or two real leaders. the rest of the alliance leaders essentially do what they are told. if tomorrow i took bluemajere and stuck him in charge of majesta empire, i doubt the nc would be any better off or any worse off. however if i took it on myself to overthrow vuk lau and replace him with shinma... the nc would crumble in a matter of hours. anyway youll have to excuse me its early in the morning and ive been trying to finish some assignments but my major point is something along the lines of "all fades in time" so trying to achieve something for someone elses benefit (or for a pixel world) is going to be worth nothing in a matter of time. but if you can look back 10 years down the track with fond memories of people you played with, funny **** you did, close wins and close losses, then its all worth it in my opinion. if when the servers go down you go on living and say "well the only thing i really remember is my alliance once held all of 0.0 and i stayed up 4 weeks in a row griding for that... well then just get another full time job or something. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.03.28 01:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Yakov Draken In my experiance most people don't actually know what they enjoy doing and spend a lot of their lives doing stuff because they think it is what they should be doing. I think this explains a lot of bizzare Eve behaviour. I understand this explaination doesn't sound as cool as "most people are dumb" or give you quite such a strong feeling superiority. That is because you are all messed up because you don't know what fun is. Instead you go round acting like you are better than everyone else and trying to get your jollies off your feeling of superiority. tl:dr - learn to have fun! ok so in MY thread about having fun, you preach about having fun you change virtually nothing of the theory as people not knowing what the **** they are doing equates to THEM BEING STOOPID! all the while telling me that i am running around trying to feel superior (rather than actually be so) by calling other people stupid and almost without realising it you call me dumb yourself. "tl:dr" if you honestly believe what you just wrote its probably not me that it relates to. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.03.28 05:36:00 - [5] Originally by: Entaran Your definition of fun and my definition of fun are obviously very different. Depending on your real life job and circumstances it's entirely probable that what you do in a game to unwind and relax has very little to do with what the person next to you or the next person you see does in the same situation. Point of contention: I enjoy ice mining and other random carebearing. Why? (Yes I see you tearing your eyeballs out right now) In Real Life, I'm an engineer and spending all day with ridiculous equations and human resources/budgetting contraints is high stress and high demand. Mining/carebearing in eve is a complete no brainer and to stop thinking and worrying is extremely relaxing and fun. MANY people in EVE don't like the constant game of chess that PvP is. There's a fairly solid reason that the vast majority of EVE are empire bound players. I PvP extremely infrequently, and generally want to kill myself when I do due to a) chess game takes too much attention dodging ganks and trying to trap others and b) PvP bores the hell out of me. tl;dr My sandbox is not played by your rules. Everyone wants something different from eve and PvP is not the defining experience of this game. so im sorry could you please explain to me in greater depth where hours of ctas and buildup to a massive letdown when the server crashes or one side decides not to get massacred fits into your idea of fun? . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.03.29 00:59:00 - [6] Edited by: Minigin on 29/03/2010 00:59:40 Originally by: Yakov Draken Originally by: Minigin ok so in MY thread about having fun, you preach about having fun you change virtually nothing of the theory as people not knowing what the ** they are doing equates to THEM BEING STOOPID! all the while telling me that i am running around trying to feel superior (rather than actually be so) by calling other people stupid and almost without realising it you call me dumb yourself. "tl:dr" if you honestly believe what you just wrote its probably not me that it relates to. So you never worked out that smart people do dumb things? So you really believe that "people not knowing what the they are doing equates to THEM BEING STOOPID"? I'm asking because every smart person there has ever been has not known what the they are doing many times in their lives. So what you are saying is really stupid - but that doesn't mean I'm saying you are really stupid. You just don't know what the you are talking about. im sorry but if you cant figure out what you want from a game you arnt even starting the "thinking process" and im not going to give you the time of day to explain yourself. as far as trying to dillute and issue so as to make it seem more complex than it really is i give you a 2/10. this isnt about smart people being wrong. (which i have never argued against) this is about the vast majority of 0.0 people coming here and complaining about lag and blue balls yet they continue down the path that will only bring them more of the same. ccp hasnt **ed this game. you have. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.03.29 02:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Sargio Farquad Dude, if you don't like the game, do something else... Life's too short. And yes I'm a grunt, and yes I enjoy blobbing, and yes I'm terrible at pvp, and no I don't care what you think. Cheers, Sargio i think youll find that im the one enjoying the game and you are the one sitting at home eating a twinkey waiting for your fps to hit more than 2. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.03.30 02:39:00 - [8] i agree completely with tert and add the following: how you conduct yourself behind closed doors is generally what you are. having been privileged to have been on closed doors on both sides, i can tell you that the nc is anything but a chill bunch of dudes just playin' dis game. im not saying IT is either... but you both suck at "playing" in your own ways. as for my evidence: "plague black" and im not referring to the actual person here, im referring to what he stands for. he admitted publicly that it didnt matter how miserable he was, but that he would make it more miserable for his enemies. along with various other i am the angel of death comments and general insane ramblings about being "thurrly" amazing at english. what he represents is a type of person in the nc. and im going to tell you now, these people are no where near as uncommon as you would want to believe in the nc. you should know better ;p you hoodwink them into defending your gold moons day in day out! . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.03.30 10:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Vuk Lau Lol, as I already started posting here I may even continue to give you some undeserved attention. 1st you saying that yinition of 2 groups of ppl I mentioned couple of posts above. Its all about perception, and I respect your view of this game as you enjoy doing something different then I do, and I am not trying to minimize your pleasure by trolling you or trying to say that my gameplay style is the only one right. I will again take Tri as examr is not. I honestly dont know why you hold grudge against NC, except probably getting owned by it, but trying to be relevant by trolling someone on CAOD just cause their gameplay style is different then yours is not a way to achieve your space fame. @Tertiacero Yes I agree with you that most likely I have flawed outlook toward mankind, but thats completely offtopic now. Regarding Tri example, it was more a bit of troll, but there is more then a pinch of true in it. I know that Shinma was a "jab" :D, but I wanted to say that in strong organizations there "should" always at least one more strong and competent figure to inherit the "throne" King is dead, long live the king Btw I enjoy more discussing this stuff with you then with minigin, please cast some bitterness out of him. NC - BEST FRIENDS FOREVER <3 actually i can address 2 of your issues in the one question. i was in the nc for a long time (thus i know what the members are like over there - aka closed doors) and i have i admit always wanted to see that kind of arrogance thrown to the mud (which is why back in the day i wanted bob dead). - at realising the nc's growing arrogance and blue list, i was always pushing for my corp to leave the nc (which we eventually did joining insrg) where we knew the nc would eventually remove us but where we would have loads of fun killing the nc. (which was like a wet dream for me having been forced to be blue to the entire north and drone regions for several months prior). the funny thing is i was kicked by insrg before they where defeated in the north, and ironicaly in context of your post, if i was to be bitter with any alliance it would be insrg, but i am greatful for my time with them and sad it ended on a poor note. so no my dear, this is not bitterness at the nc "owning". this is my own personal fun =D my point about pb was not aimed at the fact that he posts on the forums (if that was my point i have far more in common with plague than the nc does) but it is his beliefs. the beliefs he posts on these forums are the beliefs i used to listen to in my old alliances vents and ts's (and occasionaly what i still hear on ME vent =S sorry naomi.) further i didnt say your side was the only side that suffered this "attitude" you just assumed i did. also something i would like an answer on: "I honestly dont know why you hold grudge against NC, except probably getting owned by it, but trying to be relevant by trolling someone on CAOD just cause their gameplay style is different then yours is not a way to achieve your space fame." your words. not only does this sound exactly like something pb would say (and he would be as you are now just short sighted on this issue) but it raises an extremely interesting point which i actually wanted to talk to you earlier about. do you as the leader of the north condone all these whine threads about numbers? or over all complaining about numbers? (especialy in relation to your last statement) either way, i quite like you vuk and i think its sad that i will always find myself on the other side of the rope from you =S but if you want to gamble that the nc would be fine without you, ill put 20b on it and let you into voltron =D (of course being a trillionaire as you told your friends in tri who i flew with for a long time might mean the 20b isnt too much in the way of a bet. btw... how does one get over a trillion isk in his personal wallet? =S . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.03.31 12:18:00 - [10] i will do two things. firstly, lets organise a day to hop on vent and discuss all this live. i know myself and tert would be dieing to do this secondly, i was in the nc and i was in tri and the avarage player in tri was far better than the avarage player in the nc. how do i know this? in the nc i was an outstanding pvper, in tri i was mediocere to good. thus i accept your challenge of voltron vs mm, but i would discuss its format on vent with you =D. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.03.31 14:38:00 - [11] Originally by: Vuk Lau Originally by: Minigin i will do two things. firstly, lets organise a day to hop on vent and discuss all this live. i know myself and tert would be dieing to do this secondly, i was in the nc and i was in tri and the avarage player in tri was far better than the avarage player in the nc. how do i know this? in the nc i was an outstanding pvper, in tri i was mediocere to good. thus i accept your challenge of voltron vs mm, but i would discuss its format on vent with you =D. Originally by: "Vuk Lau" Your statement that average Tri player skill is SOOO much higher then RAWR or NC is laughable - *yes its true*, but you are failing to see the difference here. For the hell of it, only in 4S I have 20 players with less then 2 mil skill points, most of them RL friends, while Tri is (well now was ) all about l33t pvp. Yeah we could do it on vent one day, one day when you admit that all that animosity towards NC is cause you lost your virginity in D7-ZAC showers, and Kendar lied to you it will not hurt. so wait what was all that about beating tri or something in small gang pvp? like sorry but it was a long read, i might have missed more than a few lines. and are we doing this vent thingo? . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.03.31 15:57:00 - [12] Originally by: XxAngelxX Edited by: XxAngelxX on 31/03/2010 15:32:07 You guys should really try some other alliances if you're still proud to have been a member of FLA Also, Minigin, you saying you were the best pvper in NC is pretty goddam hilarious - I'm not sure NC measure themselves on their solo pvp skills - but one thing is for sure, in recent times they have beaten TRI in every way possible except posturing about being elite. Never thought I'd stick up for the NC :cripes: lol by your definition they have also done the same to pl. and for the record you have been blue to the nc for about as long as you have been bitter about being booted from tri ;p also i never said i was the "best" pvper while i was in the north, but being a pvper in the north pretty much puts you inside the top 10% being a good pvper in the north puts you well above that. you should know... i outsmarted you while i was in the north lol. explain to me again how its worth losing 2 faction commandships to kill a bait thorax? i think you said they where insured? if all goes to plan your going to feature in my new movie =D. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
Minigin Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.04.01 09:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Vuk Lau Originally by: Slinktress I still can't believe the NC allies with Goons. Well you didnt left us much choice, by napping EVERYONE else Luckily EVE-Uni started with mercenary work so with them we will turn the tide of the war. YARR!! vuk tert and i are still waiting to hear from you. we are good to meet when it best conveniences you. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.

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