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Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.28 18:03:00 - [1] I don't fly the huginn or hyena but as a long time rapier pilot I can say that the web nerf hit it waaaaay too hard. Given than any non suicidel fit will only be able to fit two 60% webs its just not enough to slow the natural prey which is nanoed cruisers and below. FFS a double webbed overheated frigate can ususally outrun my mwd hg snake set 2x nano rapier. This Is Not Right.. Give them all a strength bonus to webs and in the rapiers case move a low to a mid as I never can figure out what to put in that last low but have oddles of crap that would just make me smile a wolfs smile if I had just one moar mid. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.28 18:38:00 - [2] Originally by: Lilith Velkor or you are flat out lying. Actually I'm a bit drunk atm and meant to say ab instead of mwd. It still goes 1000ms though and my point still stands. Nothing double webbed should outrun even an abing clean implant no speed mod ship with web bonus let alone one with the full nano kit. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.28 22:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Zeba Actually I'm a bit drunk atm and meant to say ab instead of mwd. You fitted a afterburner to a Rapier?!? Sure. Not getting hit or vastly reducing incoming dps due to no mwd sig bloom ftw. 1000ms is moar than sufficient when you have cruisers and higher tackled with a domi point. Mwd fit on the other hand always nearly got me killed as the rapier is terribly slow under mwd and has terribad agility enabling really fast agile ships to 'wiggle' out of point range and escape even if my base speed was faster. I have had my faction fit ab combat rapier so long it still has the original large core extender rigs on it so that should speak volumes about its survivability under near constant use over the years. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.29 02:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Zeba Mwd fit on the other hand always nearly got me killed as the rapier is terribly slow under mwd and has terribad agility enabling really fast agile ships to 'wiggle' out of point range and escape even if my base speed was faster. Um... you do know afterburner also increases mass by the same amount as the MWD does, right? Um... you do know that changing direction from a lower ab top speed to adapt to a targets attempts to reverse direction to wiggle out is much faster overall than when going mwd speeds, right? Quit trying to justify your argument with false nitpicks that don't take all the considerations into account. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.01 17:26:00 - [5] Well since we are going from a boost thread into a reconfigure thread I'll give my optimal changes for the rapier: -1 low, +1 med, increase base speed by 80ms, replace gun bonus for a web strength bonus, reduce hull and armour points slightly and add them to shield. I would never fly another ship with this character if those changes were made. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.01 18:00:00 - [6] Edited by: Zeba on 01/04/2010 18:02:10 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Zeba blah blah ... my optimal changes for the rapier: -1 low blah blah ** that.... seriously. The rest of it doesn't sound so bad if you give it the grid for arty fits and a reasonable buffer. -Liang I think going from 4 lows to 3 lows to gain a med would be quite fair and gain the ship faaaar moar than it loses. Every time I want to eft up something new for the rapier I puzzle over the last low and rage about needing just one moar mid. And yes Furb the rapier is just fine as long as you don't mind that to use it to its full potential you have to drop a web(stupid) or extender(quick death) to fit the tp. And don't give me any guff about tradeoffs yadda yadda because a single extender rapier dies far too quickly to anything that can hit it. You Need that second extender and don't you dare tell me to fit a 1600 on it. Now if the rapier had a web strength bonus then losing a web would actually be a viable tradeoff. Originally by:** CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.01 18:12:00 - [7] Edited by: Zeba on 01/04/2010 18:12:46 Originally by: Max Hardcase What about the bellicose, the laughing stock of all EW plaforms ? CCP could change the tp bonus to a web strength bonus and migrate it to our poor minnie t2 ships. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.04.01 18:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Liang Nuren Quote: CCP could change the tp bonus to a web strength bonus and migrate it to our poor minnie t2 ships. NOSA has run some gangs with 3 TP bellicose/vigils supporting our Ravens.... pretty murderous. -Liang Oh I'm sure. I'm just digging for any avenue to get the rapier a web strength bonus is all. And I think the belli is just fine if you use your noggin like NOSA and find a role for it. Same holds true for all the supposed crappy t1 ships. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.

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