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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.05.07 14:21:00 -
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 Originally by: KhneD
The price is constantly falling, anyone knows when this will stop and what caused it?
What would be better, selling it now all or maybe wait some months?
thx
If POS fuel runs you 200mil a month (which is a lot) how can you be taking a loss?
The reason I ask is Fernite Carbide is selling for 68 ISK. You can produce 7,200,000 units every 30 days, per moon.
That would be 489.6mil ISK a month. It's not exactly a loss.
Even if you where to purchase the simple reaction, that would be 1,200 ISK a unit for Fernite Alloy, and 1,000 ISK a unit for Ceramic Powder. You only need 72,000 a month per POS of each. So thats, 158,400,000 ISK for simple reactions + 200,000,000 for POS fuel = 358,400,000. You're still pulling in over 100mil per month profit, per POS, almost 200mil if you work real Fuel prices.
You should note that what you're reacting is the CHEAPEST stuff you can buy, and manufactures need it in bulk. So you need to produce it in Bulk. If you are not producing 7mil units a month you should just stop. 100mil per month for something that only needs a little work every few days is not bad in my opinion consider it requires the lowest amount of skills to produce that.
After all, you just need corp roles and Anchoring 3. I've always wondered why Pirates never used reaction POSes to supplement their lifestyle, it seems also targeted at them specifically.
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zzbooks
Fighting Cats
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Posted - 2010.05.07 18:28:00 -
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The Carbide reactions are usually the least profitable complex reactions. You should sell and make something else.
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Tiberizzle
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Posted - 2010.05.07 20:10:00 -
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I think you guys are crazy.
Fernite Carbide is by far the best reaction to run. Everyone should switch their reactors to carbides immediately 
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Grace Malley
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Posted - 2010.05.08 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tiberizzle
I think you guys are crazy.
Fernite Carbide is by far the best reaction to run. Everyone should switch their reactors to carbides immediately
Agreed
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EvilCheez
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Posted - 2010.05.09 23:50:00 -
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I'm gonna stay contrarian and point out that the once might nanotransistor reaction is running 0% after fuel whereas the fernite carbide reaction is around 60%. I know there are some that probably have higher returns on equity, but this is still one of the better ways for a player with not that much equity to earn decent returns in a relatively passive way.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.05.10 00:49:00 -
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Im posting in this thread to give it a much needed air of maturity and respect.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2010.05.10 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Im posting in this thread to give it a much needed air of maturity and respect.
Could you open a window the next time you let that much air out.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven
this thread is obviously going places
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Jimmyhatt
Final Agony
B A N E
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Posted - 2010.05.12 03:56:00 -
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pos fuel will become cheaper when players start to undercut NPC prices... I would imagine people expect moon goo to drop because the margin will widen initially. It will have to adjust at a natural margin at a lower price...
People flooding the market doesnt help either, but people need to be producing more. This patch will shift players from t1 ships to t2 ships and balance out the cost to fit players fuel makers.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.12 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmyhatt
pos fuel will become cheaper when players start to undercut NPC prices
See, you can't possibly know if that will ever happen.
For starters, in the LONG run, it's almost certain NPC sell orders will be completely removed, so there is no logical reason for player-produced goods to settle below current NPC prices... unless they buff PI output levels to such heights that we have a huge oversupply (doubtful). In fact, a much more likely scenario is that all current NPC-sold POS fuel items will go UP in price.
In the short run however, we'll have to see what CCP does with NPC orders... do they keep them or do they instantly remove them as the expansion goes live, or do they gradually remove them... do they keep the current NPC prices, or do they raise them slowly... do they keep the current SiSi ratios for PI production, or do they buff the outputs... and so on and so forth.
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EvilCheez
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Posted - 2010.05.22 11:16:00 -
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Congrats to this thread for making fernite carbide twice as profitable as any other carbide reaction and the third most profitable complex reaction (also thank technetium speculation).
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.22 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 22/05/2010 11:53:59
Originally by: EvilCheez
fernite carbide twice as profitable as any other carbide reaction and the third most profitable complex reaction
Yeah, except that the numbers "from start to finish" (i.e. full process, from moon minerals to advanced material) don't support your claim. Any would-be profitability you see in the very, very short run is most likely due to somebody screwing up on intermediate reaction sales prices (again).
Fernite Carbide full reaction chain (setup with 3 Gallente large towers - or 2 large and 2 meds) has an overall profit of around 64 mil ISK/month per large tower (~192/chain).
Fernite Carbide is actually the 3rd WORST reaction overall right now, and second worst of all carbides.
The absolute worst reaction right now is Fullerides (thanks to the Techentium spike) at barely 36 (~110/chain), with Tungsten Carbide second worst at around 56 (~169/chain).
Crystalline Carbonide however is at around 88 (~264/chain), Titanium Carbide at around 80(~240/chain), both better than Fernite Carbide.
Best reactions right now are Hypersynaptic Fibers at ~230 (~806/chain), Phenolic Composites at ~210 (~736/chain) and Ferrogel at ~205 (~831/chain).
Following relatively close is Sylramic Fibers at ~145 (~434/chain), and Nanotransistors, in spite of the recent Technetium price spike, holds at around 123 right now (~430/chain).
No idea whate you got the notion Fernite Carbide is "twice as profitable as any other carbide reaction and the third most profitable complex reaction"...
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EvilCheez
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Posted - 2010.05.22 12:30:00 -
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If you purchase the simple reaction output and run the complex reaction you wind up with 117m per tower. Of all the Simple Reactants that go into carbides only crystallite alloy reacts at a profit.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.22 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: EvilCheez
If you purchase the simple reaction output
Yeah, see, it's exactly what I told you - that's a transitional thing that won't last that long.
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EvilCheez
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Posted - 2010.05.22 21:33:00 -
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Imbalance like all the MD elites dog a specific complex reaction and convince the non moon holders to flee the market leaving tons of the intermediates out in the cold......buying fernite alloy ---- a perpetual dog that was thoroughly unprofitable even before the last expansion.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.22 21:50:00 -
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Reactions should reasonably have a "delay" time of at most a week, yet they usually drag behind for up to a month (or sometimes even longer) compared to costs. People that handle their business that way (on "autopilot") deserve no significant amount of sympathy (the same way people that autopilot through highsec in untanked industrials with hundreds of millions worth of cargo don't, if/when they get suicide-ganked).
Meh, if people (as in, the general mass of people that react) can't be bothered to do their own math on the whole intermediates and advanceds vs moonmins and just sell it all at whatever price they can just get instead of either considering the possibility of holding it, or just putting it up above cost and waiting, or even stopping the reaction and selling the moonmins instead... :shrug:
I suppose doing some brainwork and having a bit of patience is a bit too much to ask, right ?
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EvilCheez
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Posted - 2010.05.22 21:55:00 -
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I'm glad we agree.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.22 23:12:00 -
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It's hard to disagree with facts 
Interpretations might differ slightly though 
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