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Lexx Khadar
Minmatar Tourian Guard
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Posted - 2010.03.30 08:40:00 -
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Very witty and enjoyable post OP. But on what other posters have said. Yes its annoying when people don't even bother to make an effort when typing in the forums and in game. I have dyslexia but I try to fix my posts all the same when I notice grammatical/spelling errors. But when reading a badly put together post I see no reason as to why anyone should bother helping the poster if they cant be bothered to show they made an effort in asking their question/structuring their argument. Most of the crap that gets misspelled could be fixed if they could be bothered to turn on spell-checks. Thats not too bad. But no regard for basic grammar is something else entirely.
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Victor Vision
Amarr Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.03.30 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Vision on 30/03/2010 09:22:43
Very well, here is my story:
After I had lost my patience with forum posters who misused the holy english language, the police and psychologists told me I should control myslef better in the future and not lose it so easyly.
This i can understand, and I agree.
However, the TV commentator who commented my actions with the words "a madman ran rampage" has rather loose morals in my honest opinion.
I must go now, the jury is about to announce their verdict...
Edit: Fixed for spelling... muhahaha
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citizen20100323919
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Posted - 2010.03.30 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Vision Edited by: Victor Vision on 30/03/2010 09:22:43
Very well, here is my story:
After I had lost my patience with forum posters who misused the holy english language, the police and psychologists told me I should control myslef better in the future and not lose it so easyly.
This i can understand, and I agree.
However, the TV commentator who commented my actions with the words "a madman ran rampage" has rather loose morals in my honest opinion.
I must go now, the jury is about to announce their verdict...
Edit: Fixed for spelling... muhahaha
You missed a few.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.03.30 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: citizen20100323919
Originally by: Victor Vision Edited by: Victor Vision on 30/03/2010 09:22:43
Very well, here is my story:
After I had lost my patience with forum posters who misused the holy english language, the police and psychologists told me I should control myslef better in the future and not lose it so easyly.
This i can understand, and I agree.
However, the TV commentator who commented my actions with the words "a madman ran rampage" has rather loose morals in my honest opinion.
I must go now, the jury is about to announce their verdict...
Edit: Fixed for spelling... muhahaha
You missed a few.
Crap, I was going to post that.
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Victor Vision
Amarr Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.03.30 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Vision on 30/03/2010 09:38:45
Originally by: citizen20100323919
Originally by: Victor Vision Edited by: Victor Vision on 30/03/2010 09:22:43
Very well, here is my story:
After I had lost my patience with forum posters who misused the holy english language, the police and psychologists told me I should control myslef better in the future and not lose it so easily.
This i can understand, and I agree.
However, the TV commentator who commented my actions with the words "a madman ran rampage" has rather loose morals in my honest opinion.
I must go now, the jury is about to announce their verdict...
Edit: Fixed for spelling... muhahaha
You missed a few.
This must be dealt with!
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Stu Pendisdick
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.03.30 10:01:00 -
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Some people are simply proud to parade their ignorance and illiteracy as a badge of courage and/or honor. It makes them feel better about themselves.
Look no further than the so-called fictional movie, "Idiocracy". The morons end up running the world, and anyone with a half functioning brain is considered "'tarded"; the typical 2 year old juxtaposition of "I know you are, but what am I?".
And besides, "IT HAS ELECTROLYTES!"
Sigh.
We are witness to the decline of modern man. Enjoy the ride.
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arjarj
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Posted - 2010.03.30 10:34:00 -
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could somebody enlighten me about something i am wondering about for along time now?
why do people say "its me" when on the phone or at the door and not "its I" ?
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Edenn
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.03.30 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: arjarj could somebody enlighten me about something i am wondering about for along time now?
why do people say "its me" when on the phone or at the door and not "its I" ?
You know, my engrish teacher said one thing about it: "It is correct to spell "it's I" but no one considers "It's me" as a mistake". 123 |
Kharamete
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Posted - 2010.03.30 11:56:00 -
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Ah think people shud start tuh write phonetically see that wuh gan differentiate inatween hillbillies an' the users iv propor english, tuh be honest.
This wa wuh gan immediately find yeut whe ryeuts fo' dilettantes leek manchestor an' arsenal, insteed iv the propor club Newcassel. ---
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Droning Ceo
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Posted - 2010.03.30 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Angus I never notice other people spelling grammer errors, or my own but i did fail english so meh
Grammar.
Not "grammer" that's what you call your grandmother.
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Colonel Evans
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Posted - 2010.03.30 12:26:00 -
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ITT: People who care about proper grammar in Internet Spaceships.
Tell me that dosen't sound ridiculous to you.
Fake Edit: Of course lack of punctuation, massive walls of text, and the like annoy us all, I'm referring to people akin to those found ITT, who care about the placement of an e and an apostrahpe in a word.
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Shurrurru
Red Unicorns Love Chocolate
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Posted - 2010.03.30 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Neba I have noticed most of the American pilots can not spell, but let's face it they have taken the English language and tried to make it their own.
It's called English because its from England in the United Kingdom
I'm going to do it. I'll be that guy that attacks someone's spelling in the thread about spelling.
Fixed your spelling mistakes in bold for you.
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Jerid Verges
Gallente The Society of Innovation The Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.03.30 12:48:00 -
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We're rebelling against the MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
You can't oppress us with your language dictation! Language is like...Free.
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elenasa
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Posted - 2010.03.30 12:53:00 -
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I have very ambivulent feelings towards the sentiments of the OP's topic. I sometimes look in amazement how people can consistently make the same errors with the incorrect use (not spelling) of terms such as 'should of' for 'should have', and the ubiquitous 'there/their/they're' triad. As someone who is employed in post 16 and post 18 education in the UK, I even come accross such misuses in the work that students hand-in on a very frequent basis. This implies that those who use it have, for some reason, chosen to either ignore or surpress their correct forms that were taught during earlier school years (if it was taught correctly) for incorrect forms used by many other people that they communicate with over such things as the internet and mobile phones. I know for certain that there was never any confusion between 'there, their and they're' before internet communication, even though there always has been betweeen 'to, too and two'. However, the fact of the matter is, it has become so widespread to make these errors that even people who are non-native speakers of English make the same mistakes and are learning these errors too.
Another way of looking at the situation is to see what we are witnessing as a snapshot of language change. Language is 'always' in a state of continuous change. You dont have to go back further than a hundred years to see differences in how language has changed, and I bet that if you were able to travel in time communication would become more of a problem the further back you went, and also the further forward you went as well. Also, any ideas about a language having an intrinsically correct form are quite arbitrary and only came into existence a few hundred years ago when some people decided to try and prescribe a correct form - and it's been a nightmare for them ever since. If anyone ever looked at what is considered to be the 'correct' version of a language, it is 99 times out of a hundred the form of language (pronunciation, grammar, vocabulary) used in the most economically and politically powerful areas of the country it is spoken in. This is because the people who wrote the grammar books came from those areas and used 'their' form of the language as the standard, and they had the power/authority/ability to install it into influencial areas such as educational instituations, legal institutions, media/communication institutions etc. This is why people who do not come from those areas are always considered to be using sub-standard forms of the native language (this is slightly different when a country has more than one official standard language). In the UK, from a population of around 60 million, there are only around 2.5 million who could be described as users of 'correct Standard English', and there are more people who have English as their second language who use it more 'correctly' than there are first language speakers because they pay more conscious attention to the grammar whilst learning it.
tl;dr
- frequent misuse of words/phrases is sometimes baffling - language always changes - dumb people still have the right to use the internet.
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Gerry Mack
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Posted - 2010.03.30 13:30:00 -
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Two small items I'd like to add to this discussion if it's not too much trouble.
Well, that's one. Also the usage of the comma.
At high school one year I got a really horrible French mark which I altered on the report card. But not well enough.
My following report card had this comment on it; Please note that the French mark was changed after issue by teacher. Shopped I thought until the comma came to the rescue.
French mark was changed, after issue, by teacher.
Ah, the good old comma saved me a sore ass.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.30 13:35:00 -
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As long as person A understands what person B is saying I don't see the issue here.
I'M SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU, I'M HARD OF HEARING AND YOU DIDN'T USE AN EXCLAMATION MARK
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: elenasa I have very ambivulent feelings towards the sentiments of the OP's topic. I sometimes look in amazement how people can consistently make the same errors with the incorrect use (not spelling) of terms such as 'should of' for 'should have', and the ubiquitous 'there/their/they're' triad. As someone who is employed in post 16 and post 18 education in the UK, I even come accross such misuses in the work that students hand-in on a very frequent basis. This implies that those who use it have, for some reason, chosen to either ignore or surpress their correct forms that were taught during earlier school years (if it was taught correctly) for incorrect forms used by many other people that they communicate with over such things as the internet and mobile phones. I know for certain that there was never any confusion between 'there, their and they're' before internet communication, even though there always has been betweeen 'to, too and two'. However, the fact of the matter is, it has become so widespread to make these errors that even people who are non-native speakers of English make the same mistakes and are learning these errors too.
Another way of looking at the situation is to see what we are witnessing as a snapshot of language change. Language is 'always' in a state of continuous change. You dont have to go back further than a hundred years to see differences in how language has changed, and I bet that if you were able to travel in time communication would become more of a problem the further back you went, and also the further forward you went as well. Also, any ideas about a language having an intrinsically correct form are quite arbitrary and only came into existence a few hundred years ago when some people decided to try and prescribe a correct form - and it's been a nightmare for them ever since. If anyone ever looked at what is considered to be the 'correct' version of a language, it is 99 times out of a hundred the form of language (pronunciation, grammar, vocabulary) used in the most economically and politically powerful areas of the country it is spoken in. This is because the people who wrote the grammar books came from those areas and used 'their' form of the language as the standard, and they had the power/authority/ability to install it into influencial areas such as educational instituations, legal institutions, media/communication institutions etc. This is why people who do not come from those areas are always considered to be using sub-standard forms of the native language (this is slightly different when a country has more than one official standard language). In the UK, from a population of around 60 million, there are only around 2.5 million who could be described as users of 'correct Standard English', and there are more people who have English as their second language who use it more 'correctly' than there are first language speakers because they pay more conscious attention to the grammar whilst learning it.
tl;dr
- frequent misuse of words/phrases is sometimes baffling - language always changes - dumb people still have the right to use the internet.
Learn to spell "ambivalent"
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil While I'm at it, I'll post the biggest offender of all time in the English language (at least in the US):
"John and me are going to New York."
So many people use that one that it deserves its own status, perhaps as one of the sturdy indefensibles. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression |
Gon187zo
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:09:00 -
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"Ha-Ha, look how stupid you are."
That's basically what you're saying.
You seem to presume to have the ability / right to judge others based on a few letters off the internet.
There are a myriad of reasons that can frame someone's choice of grammar and spelling in their communications.
We deal with people from all walks of life, all over the world.
This is not some college classroom, nor any sort of professional environment, where one might have any expectation of a certain level of articulation and "proper" grammar usage.
It's much more casual, and it comes across in how people choose to express themselves.
The only common denominator here is internet spaceships.
Some of us may have master's degrees and six figure incomes. Some of us may be high school dropouts on welfare.
Some of us spend our days in a different "sandbox", halfway around the world, getting shot at by real people, with real bullets.
Some of us may spend our days in comfort, learning about the finer points of some lofty interest.
Who's the "better" person? Who is anyone to judge?
In this context, it's much more about what you say than how you say it.
The only question should be: "Am I getting my point across."
If there is not a "failure to communicate", I don't see an issue with how one chooses to do it.
You're not going to change the world, so it just seems a bit frivolous to come on here and "squeak" about some personal annoyance.
Seriously, of all the things that might need to be addressed in Eve and have some chance of constructive discussion, this is the soapbox you're choosing to hop on to?
You feel me?
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:17:00 -
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No, it's not, "Am I getting my point across?" It's, "How stupid do I sound doing it?"
I'm sorry, there is no excuse for poor grammar and spelling if you made it past grade school.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:25:00 -
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Why bother bringing this subject up, I mean afterall you will probably make these guys that don't understand the issue loose there minds.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kitimortoa No, it's not, "Am I getting my point across?" It's, "How stupid do I sound doing it?"
I'm sorry, there is no excuse for poor grammar and spelling if you made it past grade school.
Perhaps you should find a more highbrow internet spaceships forum where you don't have to suffer the traumatising communication of imbeciles if it upsets you so much. You really show a lack of understanding of people. Get a grip on reality and take your head out of your arse.
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Kritinana
Minmatar The New Mexican Connection
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:28:00 -
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Yo dawg, I herd youre moms lose.
tldr; Internet spaceships forum = nobody cares. This isn't 'the ladders'.
yes, my tldr is 'longer'.
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elenasa
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kitimortoa
Learn to spell "ambivalent"
lol, even though I am well educated, I am still slightly dyslexic (and extremely dysnumeric) - so I still make mistakes every now and then. However, the demand for perfection is more of a psychological flaw embedded within the demander than those who it is demanded of, I believe.
Originally by: Kitimortoa No, it's not, "Am I getting my point across?" It's, "How stupid do I sound doing it?"
I'm sorry, there is no excuse for poor grammar and spelling if you made it past grade school.
Why? Does it offend your sensibility for order and the way you feel the world should be? Since when are you the universally objective arbitor for stupidity, and in whose authority and by what right do you adopt that position?
Anyway, what indidators can you possibly use to judge whether a poster has made it past grade school or not (whatever gradeschool is, I'm only familiar with the UK education system)?
Originally by: elenasa
- frequent misuse of words/phrases is sometimes baffling - language always changes - dumb people still have the right to use the internet.
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Gon187zo
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kitimortoa No, it's not, "Am I getting my point across?" It's, "How stupid do I sound doing it?"
I'm sorry, there is no excuse for poor grammar and spelling if you made it past grade school.
A perfect example of the presumption of right to judgment.
Your argument relies on the assumption that the speaker actually cares what you think.
Not everyone lives to please others.
How you say something, or even what you say, is significantly less relevant than what you do.
It seems like you are using your view of one aspect to assume the worth of the whole.
Personally, if I were to find myself in a dark alley, I'd much rather have someone by my side who knows how to fight, than one who knows how to type.
The pen is not always mightier than the sword.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 30/03/2010 15:39:38 it's vs its <- this one is my biggest pet peeve you're vs your loose vs lose
And of course, adding apostrophes to pluralize a word.
I agree that it's sad that so many people who natively speak English can't write it properly.
Originally by: Lexx Khadar Yes its annoying when people don't even bother to make an effort when typing in the forums and in game. I have dyslexia but I try to fix my posts all the same when I notice grammatical/spelling errors. But when reading a badly put together post I see no reason as to why anyone should bother helping the poster if they cant be bothered to show they made an effort in asking their question/structuring their argument. Most of the crap that gets misspelled could be fixed if they could be bothered to turn on spell-checks. Thats not too bad. But no regard for basic grammar is something else entirely.
Exactly--if they can't be bothered writing a post properly and making it easy to read, I can't be bothered answering it. Same goes for being lazy and asking stupid questions that Google could answer in about ten seconds, but that's another issue.
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Victor Vision
Amarr Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Vision on 30/03/2010 15:45:34
Originally by: Gon187zo Some of us may have master's degrees and six figure incomes. Some of us may be high school dropouts on welfare.
And some of us may be on welfare despite our master's degrees, or be high school dropouts with six figure incomes.
On topic: How to use language in general - choice of words, grammar, abbreviations, paragraphs, punctuation etc. is free as long as it remains within forum rules. The way we use language does however shape the impression we leave with the readers of our posts.
An example: "YARRRRR!!11!1 MEH MAKES YOU DEATH VERY MUCH SOON!!!" leaves a different impression on the reader as "You, dear sir, shall be dealt with." That is the case, even though both messages are similar in general content.
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gon187zo
Originally by: Kitimortoa No, it's not, "Am I getting my point across?" It's, "How stupid do I sound doing it?"
I'm sorry, there is no excuse for poor grammar and spelling if you made it past grade school.
A perfect example of the presumption of right to judgment.
Your argument relies on the assumption that the speaker actually cares what you think.
Not everyone lives to please others.
How you say something, or even what you say, is significantly less relevant than what you do.
It seems like you are using your view of one aspect to assume the worth of the whole.
Personally, if I were to find myself in a dark alley, I'd much rather have someone by my side who knows how to fight, than one who knows how to type.
The pen is not always mightier than the sword.
If you're going to do something, do it right, or not at all.
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elenasa
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Vision
An example: "YARRRRR!!11!1 MEH MAKES YOU DEATH VERY MUCH SOON!!!" leaves a different impression on the reader as "You, dear sir, shall be dealt with." That is the case, even though both messages are similar in general content.
Exactly, and they could be written and used by the same person for different reasons on different occasions
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elenasa
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kitimortoa
If you're going to do something, do it right, or not at all.
So that they may be included in or excluded from YOUR world?
(If anyone has an interest in how fascist regimes come into existence, and why some people are drawn to their style of politics, it all begins with things like the above, folks.)
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