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Lance Starsmasher	Posted - 2010.03.30 10:20:00 - [1] Hey, I'm looking for a good ship to help protect miners. What is generally the best type of ship for this by race? I imagine lots of tank, and the ability to kill scramblers is high on the list.
Etro Tanar	Posted - 2010.03.30 10:28:00 - [2] Go the Ibis! Fit it with some small plasma smart bombs and your miners will be safe for all time.
Erich Herrmann	Posted - 2010.03.30 10:29:00 - [3] What are you protecting them against? Rats in belts? If so, is this in high-sec, low-sec or null-sec? If you're in low-sec or null-sec, will you also be protecting them against pirates? In my carebear days of mining, we used to mine in 0.5 systems. We'd have a command ship at the belt, providing gang links and protection against can flippers / ore thieves and rats, but this was before the Orca days, so they're generally used now for gang links.
Lance Starsmasher	Posted - 2010.03.30 10:30:00 - [4] This is in wormhole space...
Erich Herrmann	Posted - 2010.03.30 10:42:00 - [5] Edited by: Erich Herrmann on 30/03/2010 10:43:50 Sleepers only spawn once, if I remember correctly, and a battlecruiser should be able to deal with them. After that, there's no telling what you might have to defend against. Obviously, the risk is other pilots, i.e. PvP. PvP against a Hulk is easy for guy in the combat ship, but not so easy for the Hulk! You could end up being attacked by a lone frigate, which a battlecruiser could easily deal with, or you could get blobbed by a HICtor and 5 BS. Keeping a cloaked scout on each of the entrances can help to warn you of potential attackers. If any arrive, warp to a POS or a safe spot and cloak up. Keeping your eye on the direction scanner for probes will also help, but, unless you're sure you were the first person into the system, there's a risk someone has already entered the system and probed out the signatures. I used to enter W-Space just after downtime and probe out the sites, focusing on asteroid belts. I'd then cloak up in the belt and work on something out of game, whether it be revision, work, website coding, etc. If someone turned up, I'd decloak and kill them. Killed quite a few Hulks, a couple of industrial ships and an Orca by doing this. There's no right way to defend your miners because it's so unpredictable as to what could happen ... EDIT I think the main point I'm trying to make is that it's easier (and more efficient, ISK-wise) to avoid the combat using scouts and warping away than it is to put a large combat fleet in the belt to protect your miners.
Villa Wolfsbane Amarr IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.30 11:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Lance Starsmasher Hey, I'm looking for a good ship to help protect miners. What is generally the best type of ship for this by race? I imagine lots of tank, and the ability to kill scramblers is high on the list. Best defense for miners in wormholes, is a POS, having the hulks either aligned at speed towards it, or stationery at all times - ensuring a clear path from hulk to POS. Then you have a scout ship looking for anyone evidence of others in system, probes, seeing ships on scan, I'd suggest putting drag bubbles near the belt in the direction of any wormholes, to give you an extra few seconds to warp. But if you get into PVP in a hulk that is kitted out as a miner, you will die agaisnt almost any opposition.
Catari Taga Centre Of Attention Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.03.30 12:01:00 - [7] Edited by: Catari Taga on 30/03/2010 12:04:20 Triage Carrier. edit: that was a joke, although I've seen it done. Your miners will still die (e.g. stealth bombers will alpha strike past the reps). As said above, scouting is your only chance.
Darcon Kylote Terminal Impact On the Rocks	Posted - 2010.03.30 12:20:00 - [8] Edited by: Darcon Kylote on 30/03/2010 12:20:02 Originally by: Lance Starsmasher This is in wormhole space... So then a cov ops, or failing that, a t1 frigate with a prototype cloak, sitting 10km off the wormhole entrance, is your best bet. Listen for the sound of the wormhole firing, and watch for ships to decloak as they come in. Exciting, isn't it? But anything else is just extra meat for the grinder. -- Terminal Impact is recruiting PVPers for fun ops in lowsec/0.0/wormhole space. Visit our website or join ingame channel "the tict pub".
Vincent Death Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.03.30 12:45:00 - [9] Cloak a Falcon near miners. Wait for attacker to arrive. Jam him. Miners warp off.
Belkadan	Posted - 2010.03.30 16:39:00 - [10] Rorqual.

Omara Otawan	Posted - 2010.03.30 16:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Vincent Death Cloak a Falcon near miners. Wait for attacker to arrive. Jam him. Miners warp off. Unless said miner is caught in a bubble... As already pointed out, the first line of defense should be scouts guarding the entry wormholes, if you want additional security anchor bubbles there to delay attackers (in case a cov ops slipped through earlier). Being aware of your surroundings is never a bad idea either, watching the onboard scanner for hostile probes and ships. After that is taken care of, a falcon cloaked in the belt can help against tacklers that arent dictors. And in case you got sufficient numbers as well as skilled fighters, having a few combat fit ships (pvp combat!) ready at your POS to switch out is an option to return the favour if you get attacked.
Lt Angus Caldari End Game.	Posted - 2010.03.30 17:46:00 - [12] Falcon or a T3 recon fit, anything that can get the counter jump on them please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Kessiaan Minmatar Vagrants Inc	Posted - 2010.03.30 19:40:00 - [13] In wormholes you only get one rat spawn so there's no reason not to load your Hulk up with 5x Vespa EC-600. If you don't spot the probes on your directional scanner you have no chance whatsoever of escaping - a non-combat fit Hulk can barely fend off a well-flown T1 frig, which nobody is going to show up in in wormhole space. A flight of ECM drones, if it's only one guy and the dice gods favor you today, you'll get a jam off and get away. The best defense is still your d-scanner. Push that button!
Kimura Masahiko Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.03.30 19:49:00 - [14] a dramiel Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
Krolar Daemenshan	Posted - 2010.03.30 20:35:00 - [15] Assuming you're looking for a 'backup plan in case we don't see them coming' kind of ship. Your best defence however is to watch WH's and get your ships away before the bad guys show up. Scorpion/Rook/Falcon/other ECM for scramblers/disruptors, Curse/other Neuts for HiCs so you can make them drop the bubble. In general though, if the HiC gets to your mining fleet, they're all going to be dead and podded.
Tyfuz	Posted - 2010.04.01 12:45:00 - [16] This is a basic Scorpion setup that is used in C4,C5 and C6 wormholes. Its to ECM the sleepers and have some tank. The setup is cheap and you feel pretty safe when you fly it, its good for protecting miners from pirates. http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/34879-C4-Scorpion.html
Annie Anomie Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2010.04.02 07:34:00 - [17] FBI party van?
Gibbo5771	Posted - 2010.04.03 00:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Lance Starsmasher Hey, I'm looking for a good ship to help protect miners. What is generally the best type of ship for this by race? I imagine lots of tank, and the ability to kill scramblers is high on the list. Move back to highsec and use macros like the rest of the miners
Catari Taga Centre Of Attention Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.04.03 01:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Tyfuz This is a basic Scorpion setup that is used in C4,C5 and C6 wormholes. Its to ECM the sleepers and have some tank. The setup is cheap and you feel pretty safe when you fly it, its good for protecting miners from pirates. http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/34879-C4-Scorpion.html Lulz. It's clear you have never PVP'd in that or the ship would be dead already.
Dark Lightening	Posted - 2010.04.07 00:43:00 - [20] If your concern is PVP, then intel is the only real security. If you have a 10 man gang running protection, and you get scouted, your enemy will just round up 20 pilots to attack you. You have 20, they will round up 40. If you've already found all access points and are watching them though, you will see your enemy come in after you and it won't matter how big your guns are anymore cause you will know it is time to hide until they leave.



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