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Cyrus Deacon
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Posted - 2010.03.30 18:11:00 -
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Ok so this is my 11th day back playing eve and I realize something which was a problem before and CCP seems to have made it worse. Profit.... Where are you? Mining is a joke. You lose money when you manufacture (not everything but alot). If your lucky you will break even. If your REAL lucky you might make 5-10% Now if you own a battleship BPO you can make a steady 5-10% but hell. To make your money back on lets say a raven BPO you would need to make AT LEAST 200 battleships. And you better have that thing researched.
Yes if you find some niche market you can make a little bit of money but it just seems everything has gone down hill.
Wormholes = bad idea for miners
No insurance (from what i hear is happening in the future) = bad idea for miners
System upgrades = Completely unrealistic and ultimately... bad idea for miners
So from my conclusion there are only 2 ways to make money. Trade or rat/mission.
POS's are even a joke.
Am I wrong? educate me if you believe me to be incorrect.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.03.30 18:12:00 -
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Buy arbalest cruise missile launchers and sell for untold gold
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.03.30 18:17:00 -
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Welcome back noob.
Go read the past 3 months of dev blogs before you start raging.
PS, miners in wh's are laughing all the way to jita with the massive amounts of profits they have made from gas clouds and mercoxit roids found in them.
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Cyrus Deacon
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Posted - 2010.03.30 18:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Welcome back noob.
Go read the past 3 months of dev blogs before you start raging.
PS, miners in wh's are laughing all the way to jita with the massive amounts of profits they have made from gas clouds and mercoxit roids found in them.
Not much has changed with the player base I see.
Not raging, just making an observation and asking questions. Well anyway, is there anybody that doesnt want to be a (D)(I)(C)(K) head that would like to respond?
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Johanes Sajer
Don't Taze Me Bro
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Posted - 2010.03.30 18:53:00 -
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I have made money doing invention, mining, plexing, trading, stealing, pirating, and with POS mining/reactions.
ISK is actually too easy to come by.
This is spreadsheets online, take some time to work out all the costs. FYI you don't have to buy a BPO to build. BPCs are often dirt cheap.
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.30 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cyrus Deacon
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Welcome back noob.
Go read the past 3 months of dev blogs before you start raging.
PS, miners in wh's are laughing all the way to jita with the massive amounts of profits they have made from gas clouds and mercoxit roids found in them.
Not much has changed with the player base I see.
You got good advice - take it and stop making a fool of yourself.
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Cyrus Deacon
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Posted - 2010.03.30 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: Cyrus Deacon
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Welcome back noob.
Go read the past 3 months of dev blogs before you start raging.
PS, miners in wh's are laughing all the way to jita with the massive amounts of profits they have made from gas clouds and mercoxit roids found in them.
Not much has changed with the player base I see.
You got good advice - take it and stop making a fool of yourself.
Not sure where I said read the blogs was bad advice....
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CCP Adida
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Posted - 2010.03.30 19:47:00 -
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Cleared up all the trolling posts and replies to the trolling posts.
Adida
Community Rep
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Fergus McRae
Gallente
New Eden Regimental Navy
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2010.03.30 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cyrus Deacon
Am I wrong? educate me if you believe me to be incorrect.
Smells like you're thinking about this from an almost solo player point of view.
Get into a decent corp that is capable and/or already has a PoS set up in a WH and then see how much money you don't make. Five hours of mining Arkanor with T1 strip miners nets a lot(!) of ISK.
Like... a lot.
But you can't do anything about it with any kind of real reliability unless you have the backing of a good corp with a PoS and procedures that allow you to mine on a regular basis, even if you do have to go looking for grav sites every few days.
Look, if you're a miner sure you can spend time in Empire space mining solo, but the best thing to do is get support. EVE isn't exactly the most solo friendly game in the MMO space, dude, but the reality is that with the right kind of support you can be very successful.
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The AEther
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.30 19:59:00 -
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Ways I've witnessed playing making billions of ISK:
- setting up a POS in a wormhole (class 3 does nicely) and farming it with two alts
- hardcore mission running - there is an level 5 agent for Caldari that gives most of its missions in surrounding highsec systems
- running comlexes in 0.0 - join a corporation in some good 0.0 space with lots of blues and spend you days farming isk
- invention/moon mining - depending on how far you want to take this, can make up to a few bil a month
- trading - just need some starting capital and you're good to go here
- manufacturing stuff & selling it near or in 0.0 warzone - though T2 goods is want sells best, even meta 0 modules can be sold there at a nice markup, you can also import skillbooks and implants along the way
You just need to put your mind to dong any of these and ISK will come.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.30 20:09:00 -
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run FW missions, sell navy cap boosters and navy BS
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Ikserak tai
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Posted - 2010.03.30 20:20:00 -
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You really need to understand Eve's markets to gain a lot of Isk as a solo player. Do missions, sell all loot on sell orders, travel to Jita, buy low, sell high, blah blah....
Keep your eye on contracts and see if someone is selling something way under market value. For instance, I bought a small t2 rig and a couple of t1 rigs for the contract buyout of 4m. The T1 rigs were worth just over 2.7m, and the T2 rig sold for 12.7m. Over 11m profit.
In Eve you have to fly around a lot, keep your eyes on the markets and see if something is 30% higher a few jumps away from a trade hub. Go to Jita, buy as low as you can, and put it up for sale at the high-priced station. It may take awhile to move, but you got nothing to do other than mine kernite (which sells for a high price because its a Minerals for War Preparation item).
There's a lot of ways to make Isk, just put on your entrepreneur hat and start wheeling and dealing.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.03.30 20:23:00 -
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Am I wrong? educate me if you believe me to be incorrect.
You're definitely wrong, but there's not really any margin in educating you. No sense aiding the competition.
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Cyrus Deacon
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Posted - 2010.03.30 20:29:00 -
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Thanks for all the replies. I appreciate it and am no longer totally disappointed. CHEERS! And yes I am a solo player. Might need to get into a corp soon.
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Joe Censored
Unknown-Entity
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.30 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Censored on 30/03/2010 23:30:07
The number of miners and builders in Eve is pretty damn saturated. If you think you can come back after 1 year, jump into an uber saturated market, and make a fortune... you are kidding yourself.
If you want to just do what everyone else is doing then don't be surprised that everyone else is already taking your profits. If you want to make REAL isk try doing something few others are doing.
Hint: High sec in general is overly saturated, but there are still opportunities where Concord isn't the babysitter
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.03.31 00:07:00 -
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There are ways to make billions a month even in highsec.
Most people just aren't willing to put in the effort and do some research.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.03.31 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 31/03/2010 00:35:49
Originally by: Cyrus Deacon
Thanks for all the replies. I appreciate it and am no longer totally disappointed. CHEERS! And yes I am a solo player. Might need to get into a corp soon.
If you insist on only one source of Income (mining) then you will always be at a disadvantage because if it improves you get more competition. Anyway if you read the latest Dev blog on this the Insurance and mining in general is receiving a major overhaul, all the worry was that only a small part of the game would be changed (Insurance) which would have permanently crashed prices. There will be a big dip in ore prices but as stock is used up that should stabilise and if CCP have their figures right actually increase. I'm more worried about the increase in Bots now.
The trick is to diversify and be flexible enough to grab opportunities as well as putting effort into spotting them. Actually this is true of just mining too as minerals should properly adjust outside a false value now. I personally have several source of ISK and set myself up to grab them fast as I see them. It makes the game more interesting for me.
It really is easy to make ISK even as a solo player.
EDIT: If you think POS's are a joke you really do need to do some more research. WH's are great for solo players (miners too) You can set up a pos solo easily by the way, it's a big draw of WH's actually.
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2010.03.31 19:53:00 -
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Can everyone stop giving away trade secrets please!
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Vernn Miller
Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.04.05 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey
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Am I wrong? educate me if you believe me to be incorrect.
You're definitely wrong, but there's not really any margin in educating you. No sense aiding the competition.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.04.05 12:02:00 -
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With an alt you can make billions per week in 0.0 alone. You won't make it all per day mind you, but after you harvest enough resources and sell them you'll make your ISK in big chunks.
- Minimize the local window because it can cause lots of lag in 0.0
- Don't fit a cloaking device unless you want to spend hours locking onto NPC's
- Farm Battleship rats in a drone boat for the bounties
- Use the alt to scoop every ounce of loot
- Use the alt to salvage every single wreck
- Haul loot and salvage to empire
- Refine loot and build T1 ships to sell on market
- Use salvage to build rigs and sell on the market
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.05 12:06:00 -
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You want isk go trade , can't find any good isk made from trade then you are looking at it the wrong way.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.05 12:57:00 -
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How much did you get for your year's worth of datacores?
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Reldor Silverheart
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Posted - 2010.04.05 14:05:00 -
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You got to remember that the eve comunity and economy is a economy of it's own, so right many muners complain that they don't make any money. But as others in this thread has said the market is saturated when it comes to minerals because we do have plenty of miners as it is now. But as others have suggested, a way to make money as a miner is to go into research and production.
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yarr
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.05 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon
How much did you get for your year's worth of datacores?
I've been away for some 4 years now, went to see my research agent. One quick trip to Jita later, I was 650M richer. No complaints there.
As far as making money, I find working the markets is quite lucrative. You just need to know what to look for, and where to look for it. Sadly, I'm not going to tell you either. I've got businees interest to protect, y'know?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.05 15:57:00 -
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I fall into the same category as the OP, played for a while came back after a while. Mining sucks compared to what it used to be. When I left trit was at 4isk/per and money was decent, but plexes were 360 million each. They dropped down to 250 along with mineral prices, but then something happened that I cant explain or understand, the price went back up on plexes but not minerals.
So yes OP, miners are boned.
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Reldor Silverheart
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Posted - 2010.04.05 18:02:00 -
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Let's just face the truth, the market is saturated on raw minerals and it asks for components, rigs etc instead.
Maybe it's time for some miners to get further in the progress and not just sell raw mineral and start producing stuff instead?
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Hainnz
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Posted - 2010.04.05 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Reldor Silverheart
Let's just face the truth, the market is saturated on raw minerals and it asks for components, rigs etc instead.
Maybe it's time for some miners to get further in the progress and not just sell raw mineral and start producing stuff instead?
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Discrodia
Gallente
Green Peace Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.05 19:43:00 -
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I just use GTC's, now that most ships are relativly cheap I can last a few months off the cash from 1 GTC.
Originally by: CCP Adida
Wait where am I...
Don't remember a thing from last night.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.04.05 20:34:00 -
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Tyranis - good idea for miners
Devbolg: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=746
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