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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 03:51:00 -
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Ok, So I was sitting running a few level 4 missions for the heck of it, and the command agent offers me some goofy mining mission named Mother Lode. It says I have to mine 2800 units of some crap called polygypsum. So I read the obectives which are copied and pasted here to decide if I should do the mission.I accepted it btw: - a direct copy and paste from the mission: Mother Lode Objectives the following objectives must be completed to finish the mission: Bring Item Objective Item 2800 units of Polygypsum (44800.0 m¦) Objective Mine 2,800 units of Polygypsum for your agent. Rewards The following rewards will be yours if you complete this mission: Mining Polygypsum Polygypsum is widely considered worthless because of the dangers associated with storing and refining it. As a result, you won't find this ore on the market. In fact, for this reason, most sensor manufacturers don't even bother putting it as a unique entry in the computers when they install standard ship scanners. If you're having trouble finding the correct ore at the mission location, you can right-click the "Polygypsum" icon in your mission's Journal entry and select "Add to Overview."
So, unless I am stupid- they are asking for 2800 units of Polygypsum. Well I get about 3700 units and try to complete the mission. The agent said I did not complete the objectives. Since I needed to move on, I petitioned this as it is a clear bug. I have exactly what the mission asks for. Instead the following is the response from GM Macayle: HI Your mission will not complete until you mine all the ore at the location given. That is the only way to complete this mission or decline it. Best regards, GM Macayle EVE Online Customer Support I made it crystal clear that the mission objectives said 2800- not 20,000 or 30,000 or whatever. The follow up from another GM was well written and of course not thought out at all: Hi, I am afraid that my colleague is quite correct, in order to complete this mission you must mine all of the asteroids at the location. I am sorry for any inconvenience caused by this. If you need anything further then please contact us again. Best regards, GM Kaliastra The EVE Online Customer Support Team I assume that the GMĘs go to the store and in their minds expect to pay 200 dollars for a 3 dollar cup of Latte. Also if a car has a price tag of 20,000 dollars on the window, that must mean 100,000 dollars. Or better yet- if their boss says to stay until 6pm, they mean stay for two weeks without going home and if they do they are fired. Be warned- the mission is a lie, what the objectives are called out for are lies- and the GMĘs do not read petetions, they copy and paste empty crap that keeps them from having to actually think. I will close the mission and lose faction since I only mined about 1000 units more than they clearly called out. CCP should screen GMĘs much closer. GM motto- customer is never correctą
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.03.31 04:10:00 -
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First: do not quote GM correspondence on the forums. Your post will get edited (if the moderators woke up on the right side of bed), or deleted, or (if the moderators woke up on the wrong side of bed) you could get a forum ban for a little while, to help you cool off.
Second: mining missions only ever have exactly enough ore for you to mine.
Third: Reviewing the mission on one of the various guides out there, this jumps out at me: "Acquire 2800 units of Polygypsum (44800 m3)". Note that 1 unit of Polygypsum is larger than 1m3.
If you can link to a screen shot showing that you have 2800 units of Polygypsum (ie: the number on the bottom right of the item icon shows 2.8k), I'll believe you have a problem. If however the number shows 175, you'll just have to go back and mine the rest.
But please, don't quote GM correspondence. Paraphrase it if you must, but don't be an ass about it.
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Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2010.03.31 04:12:00 -
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There is only ever enough mission ore to complete the mission. 3700 m3 is not 2800 units of the mission ore.
Quote: 2800 units of Polygypsum (44800.0 m¦)
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.03.31 04:21:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 31/03/2010 04:24:14
Did you actually MINE it or buy it? How did you get more than possible from the mission if you did not buy it?
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.03.31 04:29:00 -
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Looks like the GM's probably either working blind (i.e. isn't equipped with the proper GM tools) or have limited view access to player's inventory to confirm ... or they could be ... *cough* .. let's not get into that.
My just recent experience with the GMs about something that's fairly simple, turned into something that truly tested my patience due to their asinine replies - almost as if they spent 2 sec reading it, 0 second to digest its meaning and 1 sec to copy-paste some unrelated words. I almost killed a kitty when back then.
As for the OP, check your overview. If the pertaining roid's still there, mission ain't done. Don't mistake 'Qty' with 'm3'. |
Mhonfry
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Posted - 2010.03.31 04:34:00 -
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You also need to have the units in 1 clump. eg if its spread in several the agent will try to complete with the biggest amount which may be too small.
Polygypsum is 16 mtr/unit - ie quite large so you need to stack the ore once have it back in the dock.
44800 mtrs, you wont get this in one load of a hulk etc and some mission items are mission specific, ie not any old item of the same/similar name will do. Beware buying some mission items.
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 04:36:00 -
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I have 3800 units and they are 16 m3 each. I mined them with an alt.
I know units from m3.
I have more than the mission calls out for
I know more than the GM's do- they did not care about the problem, and I cannot conceive why I would be banned for enlightening the Eve communnity on their excellent handling of this situation. As well as letting people know that this mission is complete garbage and terribly written.
For the guy who thinks that the mission has only enough ore to satisfy the mission- I can show you that the mission has about triple the polygypsum needed, you canot buy this on the market. Or I would buy it to finish the mission...duh
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Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2010.03.31 04:40:00 -
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The problem here is that you haven't triggered the objective flag. I'm assuming you've mined this either side of dt. Until you mine the full amount in one go the completion flag won't trigger.
That's how mining missions work.
If you are struggling with a GM you can request escalation. This will send it to a more senior GM. However, you should note that the GM answered the question correctly but did not elaborate on it.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Leech The problem here is that you haven't triggered the objective flag. I'm assuming you've mined this either side of dt. Until you mine the full amount in one go the completion flag won't trigger.
That's how mining missions work.
If you are struggling with a GM you can request escalation. This will send it to a more senior GM. However, you should note that the GM answered the question correctly but did not elaborate on it.
so if a mission asks for 2800 units of something and you mine it plus extra- it should not be complete?
if a mission asks you to silence the informant, and you kill him, it should not be complete unless you do it just right- or in the same sitting? If you start it and finish before or after downtime it is not considered complete?
I am not getting the logic.
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Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2010.03.31 04:50:00 -
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I am trying to help you troubleshoot this.
Did you mine the entire deposit until it was gone?
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.03.31 04:53:00 -
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Mining missions don't give extra for the special ore unless you pass over a DT with it half-completed. There's no reason to give the player extra so they could blitz the next one - so DT is the only plausible way of doing it.
As I'd mentioned before, if you still see polygpsum roids at the site, mine it all to complete the trigger. |
Kordoc
FW Inc Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.03.31 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Matt I have 3800 units and they are 16 m3 each. I mined them with an alt.
DING DING DING.
There is your problem.
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Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2010.03.31 05:01:00 -
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Quite right I missed that, but probably because it was hard to sift through all the gibberish.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Matt on 31/03/2010 05:02:44 I started the mission...was falling asleep and restarted the next day. once I blew past the objective amount- I tried to complete the mission.
To mine every drop of ore to complete is plain sillyness- hence why I posted what the GM's wrote- they did not care that I completed the objective, they merely copied and pasted the standard response.
looky- I got edited...oh well...guess they dont want their pals being picked on...oh well
this hopefully will help other people whom accidentally take this terrible mission. Dont do it...just grind worlds collide and forget trying something new-
What does it matter if I mined with an alt- I was 1000 meters away in a bustard ahuling the stupid ore...i dont fly mining ships or train mining skills...
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.03.31 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Matt I know more than the GM's do- they did not care about the problem, and I cannot conceive why I would be banned for ½quoting GM correspondence on the forums+
You do not know more than the GMs in this instance. It is against forum rules to quote GM correspondence on the forums.
Quote: For the guy who thinks that the mission has only enough ore to satisfy the mission- I can show you that the mission has about triple the polygypsum needed, you canot buy this on the market. Or I would buy it to finish the mission...duh
The only time I've had ore left over from a mining mission was when I'd started too close to downtime and the asteroid had respawned when I came back (due to the mission being respawned after downtime).
If you can get a survey scanner reporting that there is more ore than required, please post a bug report for that mission.
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Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2010.03.31 05:05:00 -
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You actually need to mine the mission with your mission character or the flag won't pop.
Given your responses in the thread, and the fact that you are ignoring what is being said, it is clear that the insanely difficult person is the op. I feel sorry for the GMs having to deal with members of the public like yourself.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Leech Quite right I missed that, but probably because it was hard to sift through all the gibberish.
Gibberish?
could have been 2 lines I guess- 1. I mined with my gang which were all present in the belt like every other mission I have ever done ya noob more than the amount on the mission objectives- all my accounts. 2. When someone is too stupid to come up with a logical reason for CCP's mistakes- they blame the victim...cause they are noobs...hence you, since this is confusing gibberish- I figured I would clarify.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.03.31 05:15:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Matt To mine every drop of ore to complete is plain sillyness- hence why I posted what the GM's wrote- they did not care that I completed the objective, they merely copied and pasted the standard response.
Not really. All the missions are written with specific trigggers and as long as it's not triggered, a DT will reset the mission. Whatever you did before the DT isn't counted. Mission item numbers/quantity mean nothing. As long as the trigger is still alive you will never complete the mission. You failed to recognize this.
Keep in mind, GMs handle hundreds of petition at one go, so unless that guy was an experienced L1, his reply was still within reasons. It's only the clear daylight asinine replies makes me mad. |
Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2010.03.31 05:34:00 -
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You could have actually just written a brief description outlining the issue and asked if it was a bug. You instead went off on tangents and are spending your time being abusive.
If you took the time to carefully explain to the GM you could have escalated it easily.
Of course your op is gibberish as all you did was rant a wall of text.
We can help with mechanics and solve problems, not GMs.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.03.31 05:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mara Rinn on 31/03/2010 05:41:03 edit: stupid forums. Have to wait five minute to post, but cookie expires in 10?
Originally by: Darth Matt [I started the mission...was falling asleep and restarted the next day. once I blew past the objective amount- I tried to complete the mission.
The mission would not have been marked as completed in your journal.
Combat missions reset after downtime, so do mining missions. The completion trigger for combat missions is killing that last ship, or killing the named ship. The same thing happens for mining missions. Killing the last unit of ore is exactly the same thing as popping the asteroid.
Quote: looky- I got edited...oh well...guess they dont want their pals being picked on...oh well
That's right. The forum rules state that you are not allowed to quote GM correspondence.
Quote: this hopefully will help other people whom accidentally take this terrible mission.
Hopefully people will learn that mining missions are the same as combat missions - you have to start them from the beginning and keep going till you reach the end. Any progress you made before downtime is irrelevant if you continue the mission after downtime.
Quote: What does it matter if I mined with an alt
It doesn't matter. I routinely accept mining missions with an alt, bookmark the site, contract the bookmark to my main, then mine the site out with Orca + 2 Hulks, return to station, contract ore back to the alt, log in the alt, complete the mission.
The only mistake you've made (apart from quoting GM correspondence) was confusing the "mission completion" and "mission objectives completed" concepts. For mining missions, "mission objectives completed" is true when you pop all the asteroids, "mission completion" is when you talk to the agent after having completed the objectives, with all the required materials in either your cargo hold or your hangar (but not both).
All mining missions work this way, so take it as a lesson for the future :)
Yes, it's a frustrating lesson to learn (I still have a thousand-odd units of the mission-specific gneiss sitting in my hangar from a previous mining mission), but at least you know now!
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HilsterAUS
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.31 07:16:00 -
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It appears as though the mission must have reset after downtime.
So, if the mission asked for 2800 units and you mined 2500 before DT and then another 2500 after DT, you would have 5000 units, but you still wouldn't have met the requirements.
You need to mine all the units available (which will be 2800) in one period (dt to dt)and then your journal will tick over to objective completed.
If that fails, then you will need GM support.
GL with your quest
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.03.31 08:03:00 -
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I have done that mission many times on my industry alt.
You must dig all of the mineral or it won't complete. All of the mineral also happens to coincide with how much the agent wants. - Auditing & consulting
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.03.31 09:22:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 31/03/2010 09:26:00
Originally by: Darth Matt
Originally by: Professor Leech Quite right I missed that, but probably because it was hard to sift through all the gibberish.
Gibberish?
could have been 2 lines I guess- 1. I mined with my gang which were all present in the belt like every other mission I have ever done ya noob more than the amount on the mission objectives- all my accounts. 2. When someone is too stupid to come up with a logical reason for CCP's mistakes- they blame the victim...cause they are noobs...hence you, since this is confusing gibberish- I figured I would clarify.
You missed some very important points. Mining in alt and mining accross DT. You did not mention if you had bought it or not. So yes it was gibberish. Less ranting and more precision would have nailed it a lot quicker. Insulting people who are trying to help you is very smart.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.03.31 10:40:00 -
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alt issue is irrelevant. as said, mission objective is to mine out all polygipsium in mission area AND have 2800 units of polygipsium in cargo/station. while ore could come from mission, it doesn't have to, but asteroids in mission MUST be mined out completely, regardless of how it's used. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel |
Derelicht
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Posted - 2010.03.31 11:09:00 -
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Never question anything.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2010.03.31 11:30:00 -
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Quote: I started the mission...was falling asleep and restarted the next day. once I blew past the objective amount- I tried to complete the mission.
If you have a 'Kill All' mission but only have time to kill half the rats before going to bed. The next evening (when the mission has been reset) and you go back, do you.....
A) Kill ALL the rats to complete the mission>
B) Kill half the rats (because you killed half yesterday) then abuse the GMs on the forums because you couldnt turn in the mission?
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.31 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Derelicht Never question anything.
Funny that, since questioning the OP was what brought some light on what he had done wrong in this instance. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Matt on 31/03/2010 12:11:42 Actually a few people who are not only cool and not condescending- but have some interesting response.Wow!
For the folks who are trying to compare to combat missions- Apples and oranges folks.
Would you like a list of the "Combat missions" that you can blitz in about 2 minutes?(or less)
If it says get the documents from "x" you can blitz up to that and get it- others say to get some spiced wine, and you fly in and them out and give them some spiced wine you have sitting in your hanger for 3 years ago. Some say eleminate all enemies. Those cause you to eleminate all enemies.
I understand what they want now- thanks for the info from the handful of people who read the actual problem I have with the post. That it is called a get item mission, and when I got the items and needed to move on- GM's just said-"mission not complete, have a nice day"
And for the uber miners who kept saying bingo- you didnt mine it with your main- i enjoy that all the other folks whom have finished it with alts posted here and showed these noobs how funny they sound...thanks to the few folks at the end who have a brain- to the others, ...fill in blank... Oh, and to the gent who said insulting people isnt smart, right after he posted I was wrong for using and alt...first off- If i insult you enough, you might come to 0.0 to kill me, which is awesome, second- The interweb isnt real, nor is this game- so its only a virtual insult- so you should virtually not care...heheheh
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.31 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Matt For the folks who are trying to compare to combat missions- Apples and oranges folks.
Would you like a list of the "Combat missions" that you can blitz in about 2 minutes?(or less)
Actually, that's just it: it's apples and pomaceous fruit – they both work the same way. You do the mission until you trigger the completion flag, and then you turn it in. It's that trigger condition that determines if and how something can be blitzed or not, and the mission type is of roughly zero relevance. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Maihes Sehim
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.31 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Matt
Oh, and to the gent who said insulting people isnt smart, right after he posted I was wrong for using and alt...first off- If i insult you enough, you might come to 0.0 to kill me, which is awesome, second- The interweb isnt real, nor is this game- so its only a virtual insult- so you should virtually not care...heheheh
How does the fact that it is a game on the internet make an insult not real?
I love when people like you are complete as.holes to others just because it is the internet and you don't see people face to face.
The is no difference in social aspects of a video game on the internet over real life other then if you do something stupid irl the person can beat the snot out of you if they have a mind to.
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Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations
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Posted - 2010.03.31 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Matt
so if a mission asks for 2800 units of something and you mine it plus extra- it should not be complete?
if a mission asks you to silence the informant, and you kill him, it should not be complete unless you do it just right- or in the same sitting? If you start it and finish before or after downtime it is not considered complete?
I am not getting the logic.
Now you are just looking to save face. Give it up, you did not understand the fact that the mission had to be flagged in one go, and you got confused. The mission has to be flagged in one go to prevent exploitation, meaning, exactly that, CCP does not want people farming mining missions after every DT and then selling the unique ore to other mission runners. Each mission runner must flag their own mission completed, regardless of whether they purchased the mission materials in some fashion. It works the same way with combat missions, just because you can buy militants does not mean the agent will accept them until you go into your actual mission pocket and pop the ships to flag it completed. Forget the people who will hound you for this, everyone makes mistakes, move on, and learn from it.
Simple.
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Nottan Alty
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Posted - 2010.03.31 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Nottan Alty on 31/03/2010 16:11:30
Originally by: Darth Matt Edited by: Darth Matt on 31/03/2010 12:11:42 Actually a few people who are not only cool and not condescending- but have some interesting response.Wow!
For the folks who are trying to compare to combat missions- Apples and oranges folks.
Would you like a list of the "Combat missions" that you can blitz in about 2 minutes?(or less)
If it says get the documents from "x" you can blitz up to that and get it- others say to get some spiced wine, and you fly in and them out and give them some spiced wine you have sitting in your hanger for 3 years ago. Some say eleminate all enemies. Those cause you to eleminate all enemies.
I understand what they want now- thanks for the info from the handful of people who read the actual problem I have with the post. That it is called a get item mission, and when I got the items and needed to move on- GM's just said-"mission not complete, have a nice day"
And for the uber miners who kept saying bingo- you didnt mine it with your main- i enjoy that all the other folks whom have finished it with alts posted here and showed these noobs how funny they sound...thanks to the few folks at the end who have a brain- to the others, ...fill in blank... Oh, and to the gent who said insulting people isnt smart, right after he posted I was wrong for using and alt...first off- If i insult you enough, you might come to 0.0 to kill me, which is awesome, second- The interweb isnt real, nor is this game- so its only a virtual insult- so you should virtually not care...heheheh
Too dumb to do a mission (and a mining mission no less) even with like 20 people explaining how...too much epeen to admit you were wrong and instead insult those trying to help...nice work!
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Contralto
GCHQ
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Posted - 2010.03.31 18:58:00 -
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Give the poor sucker a chance! Puberty wreaks havoc on the young
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Liteshow
Caldari The Leather Knights Opticon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.31 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Contralto Give the poor sucker a chance! Puberty wreaks havoc on the young
QFT And just wanted to add, if you're a combat character and get a mining mission like this, just skip it and take the next combat mission. You shouldn't get another mining/courier mission for at least the 4 hour cooldown with a decent combat agent...
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.04.01 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Matt Would you like a list of the "Combat missions" that you can blitz in about 2 minutes?(or less)
There are plenty of item delivery missions which you can complete by buying those items off the market.
There are plenty of combat missions which require you to kill every ship in the complex.
This is not an apples and oranges comparison - many missions have a trigger which must be activated for mission objectives to be completed, and without that mission objective completed flag, you cannot complete the mission.
In "Break Their Will" the objective is to destroy the repair station. In "Mother Lode" the objective is to destroy the polygypsum asteroid.
Quote: That it is called a get item mission, and when I got the items and needed to move on- GM's just said-"mission not complete, have a nice day"
Mother Lode is a mining mission. See the graphic? It's a sepia tone with a Reaper mining an asteroid. If it was an "item get" (ie: "trade") mission, the graphic would be the green one with the box of items. If it was a courier mission, the graphic would be the blue one with the Bestower approaching the jump gate.
Some missions are bastard mixes of course - you have Cargo Delivery which is an "encounter" mission (graphic is red with two caracals flying amongst explosions) mixed with a trade mission.
Quote: Oh, and to the gent who said insulting people isnt smart, right after he posted I was wrong for using and alt...first off- If i insult you enough, you might come to 0.0 to kill me, which is awesome, second- The interweb isnt real, nor is this game- so its only a virtual insult- so you should virtually not care...heheheh
Being a snarky little upstart is being a snarky little upstart. The game is pretend, but the attitude is not.
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2010.04.01 07:26:00 -
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A couple of random comments: I'm pretty sure that the ore that you turn in can be in any number of piles with the following caveats: It must all either be in your hangar or in your ship's cargo bay. It cannot be shared between them. Furthermore it cannot be inside a container (like a station container).
Your alt can mine the entire asteroid and trade you the ore. The completion trigger is mining the last bit of ore from the last asteroid and it doesn't matter who mines it. If you have identical ore stored up from a previous mission and your alt triggers the objective by mining the last bit of the asteroid you can go ahead and turn in your stored ore. You don't have to turn in the ore from the actual asteroid that popped.
Downtime does reset the asteroid to full. You have to re-mine the entire thing to get the mission completion objective.
There are combat missions whose objective is to destroy a particular ship and actually require you to destroy all the ships, or all the ships in the last room in order to get flagged as completed. If you destroy the 'target ship' but don't get flagged as completed then after downtime the entire mission will re-spawn.
If you post a question and multiple people try to help you then randomly insulting those people demonstrates an enormous lack of personal worth.
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Gauss Gun
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Posted - 2010.04.01 08:52:00 -
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nice april's fool - there is no mineral called polygupsum
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.04.01 09:03:00 -
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Lots of idiots defending bad game mechanics in this thread. I'm so surprised.
IMO, pass on all missions that require for you to obtain a "specific item" unless it's damsel in distress.
edit: and just to remind you, there is still no divider between posts and sigs.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.01 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gauss Gun nice april's fool - there is no mineral called polygupsum
You're right, there is no mineral called polygupsum. It's an ore you mine in a mission.
April fool?
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.01 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret Lots of idiots defending bad game mechanics in this thread. I'm so surprised.
IMO, pass on all missions that require for you to obtain a "specific item" unless it's damsel in distress.
I applaud you wet ferret- As far as those who dont like my attitude- it breaks my heart- can I send you isk so that you will be my friends? Interestingly- since the nice dev deleted my posting of the GM's responses, a bulk of this is taken out of context, and it could have been avoided if the crappy GM's would have explained what a few of you actually did-
the first few responses were arrogant, and then the super posters pointed out that I have to mine it myself...lulz. I think about 90% of you are moons, and a few of you actually see my frustration.
I accidentally accepted this dumb mission, trust me- its been about a year since i have been in empire, and i decided to run a few missions before our next wave of attacks on bad guys in 0.0...
Lesson learned, stay out of empire except with logistics alts.
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Fight Song
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Posted - 2010.04.01 12:27:00 -
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Anyone interested could have easily found your original post in its (unedited) entirety. Hint- evesearch
That said- i read it and the answer they gave was 100% correct. If you had just done what they said instead of insisting you were right the problem would have been over and done.
Is it a screwy mechanic? yes- but eh, you cant have a game as complex as eve and expect everything to be intuitively simple.
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Nostromium
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Posted - 2010.04.01 12:44:00 -
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This thread is the reason I left WoW
- Nos
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2010.04.01 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Jenn aSide on 01/04/2010 15:05:35 Edited by: Jenn aSide on 01/04/2010 15:05:15 You just gotta love it when everyone else is wrong lol.
I went to eve-search and read the GM response and to my utter and total suprise they said the same things people said here, but of course, it has to be everyone else thats dumb...
OP is brilliant, we should all try to be more like him!
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Liteshow
Caldari The Leather Knights Opticon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.01 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Liteshow on 01/04/2010 17:12:31
Originally by: Fight Song Anyone interested could have easily found your original post in its (unedited) entirety. Hint- evesearch
Wow, i was giving the OP the benefit of the doubt since I read it after the responses were removed. Upon seeing the actual GM answers it makes you wonder how the OP knows how to breathe without getting detailed instructions and having someone hold his hand as he tells them how the instructions are wrong and he can live by inhaling and expelling mayonnaise through his left ear...
edit: emote fail
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.04.01 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolus on 01/04/2010 17:35:23
Originally by: Darth Matt I think about 90% of you are moons
lolwut?
Originally by: Darth Matt and a few of you actually see my frustration.
Here what you have stated so far:
1. I cannot be bothered to understand mission mechanics. 2. I cannot be bothered to look for "Mission Objective Completed" in the journal before attempting to turn a mission in. 3. I cannot be bothered to fully read a GM response when I receive one. 4. When given the right answer, I will neither acknowledge, thank, nor consider it, where is the fun in learning something new when I can just assume everything. 5. Any perceived mistakes I make are automatically excused because I am an elite null sec pilot and Empire space is scary. 6. Everyone is always wrong but me, even when the evidence against me is monumental. 7. I am wholeheartedly incapable of flaw or error in both logic, comprehension, and behavior.
Must be so hard to be so ****ing right all the time, how do you stand it?
i.e. the right answer has been given to you dozens of times in this thread even after the GM gave it to you to begin with. If you cannot be bothered to read the journal or understand simple mechanics then maybe mission running is not for you. That's easy, right?
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2010.04.01 18:32:00 -
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Something does sound fish here, with the whole ore amount thing...
but in fairness to the OP, he's right. A lot of GM's don't seem to read petitions at all, and just copy/paste responses that either don't even relate to the petition, or are "close"... either way it's obvious that they either didn't read, or couldn't be bothered to do more than copy/paste the closest response.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.01 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Maihes Sehim
Originally by: Darth Matt
Oh, and to the gent who said insulting people isnt smart, right after he posted I was wrong for using and alt...first off- If i insult you enough, you might come to 0.0 to kill me, which is awesome, second- The interweb isnt real, nor is this game- so its only a virtual insult- so you should virtually not care...heheheh
How does the fact that it is a game on the internet make an insult not real?
I love when people like you are complete as.holes to others just because it is the internet and you don't see people face to face.
The is no difference in social aspects of a video game on the internet over real life other then if you do something stupid irl the person can beat the snot out of you if they have a mind to.
you carry a warrant card? ****
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.04.01 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Peeping Something does sound fish here, with the whole ore amount thing...
but in fairness to the OP, he's right. A lot of GM's don't seem to read petitions at all, and just copy/paste responses that either don't even relate to the petition, or are "close"... either way it's obvious that they either didn't read, or couldn't be bothered to do more than copy/paste the closest response.
Granted, I got a stock response to my Thanatos loss in the D-GTMI battle, as expected, even after writing a very courteous but emphatic petition basically saying, what is the point of capital engagements if one cannot actually participate.
However, given the sheer volume of petitions along the nature of, "amagawd cpp HALP ME! lost my rookie ship in L4 WC! reimburse!" that are likely out there, I don't fault them for reusing stock responses, when the nature of the petition warrants it.
They have quotas and job responsibilities to meet, and if your boss told you to stop coddling every single nooblet who filed a ticket based on his own lack of understanding of simple game mechanics, wouldn't you rather keep your job than cater to some random rube in a different country who can't seem to bother reading the mission completion flags in his journal?
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Barton Foley
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Posted - 2010.04.01 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mendolus Edited by: Mendolus on 01/04/2010 17:35:23
Originally by: Darth Matt I think about 90% of you are moons
lolwut?
That's no moon.
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.01 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Barton Foley
Originally by: Mendolus Edited by: Mendolus on 01/04/2010 17:35:23
Originally by: Darth Matt I think about 90% of you are moons
lolwut?
That's no moon.
No, ITS A TARP!
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.02 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Matt on 02/04/2010 00:25:10
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orangeFool
Gallente Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.04.02 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kordoc
Originally by: Darth Matt I have 3800 units and they are 16 m3 each. I mined them with an alt.
DING DING DING.
There is your problem.
I am sure I have accepted mining missions with my main, did the actual mining with an alt and still got the credit on my main.
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XenosisReaper
Rising Ashes Inc. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.04.02 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Matt Edited by: Darth Matt on 02/04/2010 00:25:10
Nice Edit there, lrn2Evesearch.
Also, using movie characters as part of your name? FAIL.
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Riedlim
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Posted - 2010.04.02 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Leech You actually need to mine the mission with your mission character or the flag won't pop.
Given your responses in the thread, and the fact that you are ignoring what is being said, it is clear that the insanely difficult person is the op. I feel sorry for the GMs having to deal with members of the public like yourself.
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Aliraxi
Gallente Cow Boys From HeII High Treason Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.02 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Aliraxi on 02/04/2010 16:39:36 So to clarify (because I feel like helping the unfortunate public):
1) Mission always has exact amount 2) Must be mined out completely within one downtime 3) Must be mined with character who got the mission 4) Must be brought to corresponding station and in one stack
Am I correct in this?
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Liteshow
Caldari The Leather Knights Opticon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.02 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Liteshow on 02/04/2010 17:19:16
Originally by: Aliraxi Edited by: Aliraxi on 02/04/2010 16:39:36 So to clarify (because I feel like helping the unfortunate public):
Originally by: Aliraxi 1) Mission always has exact amount
yes
Originally by: Aliraxi 2) Must be mined out completely within one downtime
yes, to complete it.
Originally by: Aliraxi 3) Must be mined with character who got the mission
no. as lng as the char that pulled the mission has possession of the ore in the end, it desn't matter who mined it.
Originally by: Aliraxi 4) Must be brought to corresponding station and in one stack
Not neccessarily. I believe it all has to be either in ship's cargo or hangar, but doesn't have to be stacked.
Originally by: Aliraxi Am I correct in this?
2/4
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.03 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Matt I think about 90% of you are moons
IT'S DANGEROUS TO GO ALONE! TAKE THIS
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.03 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Liteshow Edited by: Liteshow on 02/04/2010 17:19:16
Originally by: Aliraxi Edited by: Aliraxi on 02/04/2010 16:39:36 So to clarify (because I feel like helping the unfortunate public):
Originally by: Aliraxi 1) Mission always has exact amount
yes
Originally by: Aliraxi 2) Must be mined out completely within one downtime
yes, to complete it.
Originally by: Aliraxi 3) Must be mined with character who got the mission
no. as lng as the char that pulled the mission has possession of the ore in the end, it desn't matter who mined it.
Originally by: Aliraxi 4) Must be brought to corresponding station and in one stack
Not neccessarily. I believe it all has to be either in ship's cargo or hangar, but doesn't have to be stacked.
Originally by: Aliraxi Am I correct in this?
2/4
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A++ to Liteshow
F-- to the guy who doesnt like my name...your hung up on that ...really? Btw- my coolness is cool on levels which cool can no longer be measured. I wish I was you so I could read what I write and be envious..
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Zoctrine
Tsuna Tide
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Posted - 2010.04.03 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Matt Btw- my coolness is cool on levels which cool can no longer be measured. I wish I was you so I could read what I write and be envious..
You sir are an IDIOT!
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