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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2010.04.01 08:04:00 -
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Since I am no longer managing the general MD stock exchange tracker, this thread will follow Jidsale shares for the remainder of the year.
There are 200 shares owned by public investors - each share continues to receive 10 mil isk in dividend the 1st of each month.
The final dividend will be paid on December 1st, after which there is a buyback of 50 mil isk per share.
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2010.04.01 08:07:00 -
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Dividends have been paid today April 1.
Throughout April you can cash in on your shares at a bonus buyback price of 80 mil isk per share. Just contact me before you send any shares.
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Cista2
Stormhawk Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.05.01 07:44:00 -
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Dividends have been paid today May 1.
All through May you can still cash in on your shares at a bonus buyback price of 80 mil isk per share. When the venture ends in December the shares will have a buyback value of just 50 mil.
Remember to contact me before you send any shares.
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Cista2
Borealis Innovations
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:52:00 -
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Dividends have been paid today June 1.
In June you can still return your shares for a bonus price of 80 mil isk per share.
The shares have run for 8 months now, and I believe that some of the investors have left the game by now. I will probably switch to manual payment of dividends for the last few months, thereby saving a few million isk from being sent to dead accounts. More about that next month.
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Llu
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Posted - 2010.06.01 15:44:00 -
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I'm still here and my offer of 85MM per share still stands for any one who wish to cash in.
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Ballet
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:08:00 -
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I'm not dead! I'm holding 'em to the bitter end!
Dividend received.
Best investment on here (along with LYII, Tash, Titans, and whatever else I have).
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Cista2
Borealis Innovations
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:10:00 -
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Btw, here's what I plan to pay as bonus buyback price for shares for the rest of the year:
June 80 mil isk
July 75
August 70
September 65
October 60
November 55
December 50 mil isk
- just so you know
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Vasta Magna
Yarex Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.06.01 18:54:00 -
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I'm still here just not very active. I'll probably take you up on buyback soon. I need to examine my portfolio.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Cista2
I will probably switch to manual payment of dividends for the last few months, thereby saving a few million isk from being sent to dead accounts. More about that next month.
That path leads to the dark side  .
Come, return unto the light!
Seriously. Don't defraud your investors just because they're not in-game at a given time. You made a commitment to them and they shouldn't have to jump through hoops or do anything not in the original agreement in order to get their money.
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Tiberizzle
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Posted - 2010.06.01 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Cista2
I will probably switch to manual payment of dividends for the last few months, thereby saving a few million isk from being sent to dead accounts. More about that next month.
That path leads to the dark side .
Come, return unto the light!
Seriously. Don't defraud your investors just because they're not in-game at a given time. You made a commitment to them and they shouldn't have to jump through hoops or do anything not in the original agreement in order to get their money.
agree
I definitely wouldn't purchase shares in any venture which made it clear that they would, or had in the past withheld dividends from an inactive account.
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Aurum Bellator
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
The shares have run for 8 months now, and I believe that some of the investors have left the game by now. I will probably switch to manual payment of dividends for the last few months, thereby saving a few million isk from being sent to dead accounts. More about that next month.
So someone who takes a 6-month break and inactivates his account will come back and wonder . . . where is my money to which you will say what?
Your plan stated above is nothing but a fraud.
AUB
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ArtemisSDS
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Posted - 2010.06.02 23:50:00 -
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I'm still here. I just don't have much time for EVE nowadays.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.06.02 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aurum Bellator
So someone who takes a 6-month break and inactivates his account will come back and wonder . . . where is my money to which you will say what?
Your plan stated above is nothing but a fraud.
AUB
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Syds Sinclair
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Posted - 2010.06.05 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
...I believe that some of the investors have left the game by now. I will probably switch to manual payment of dividends for the last few months, thereby saving a few million isk from being sent to dead accounts...
..Have you figured out which direction you are going to go with this? It seems like taking this course is the unpopular decision. Would love to hear what your take on the situation is after people have expressed their concerns.
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Cista2
Borealis Innovations
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Posted - 2010.06.05 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Syds Sinclair
unpopular
I am not in the business of being popular with the forum warriors.
No investors have so far expressed concerns about their isk. The one investor I am interested in is Nouva MacGyver. If she is still in game nothing will happen. If she has left the game I will switch to manual distribution of dividends. If she should return I will compensate her sufficiently to hopefully make her love me again.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.06.05 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
Originally by: Syds Sinclair
unpopular
I am not in the business of being popular with the forum warriors.
No investors have so far expressed concerns about their isk. The one investor I am interested in is Nouva MacGyver. If she is still in game nothing will happen. If she has left the game I will switch to manual distribution of dividends. If she should return I will compensate her sufficiently to hopefully make her love me again.
I'm pretty sure Nouva is still ingame. I am under the impression that she checks in periodically and also doesn't follow the forums much.
The issue with not paying dividends isn't a popularity one. It's about obligations and honouring the terms and conditions you agreed to when you took peoples' investments. If someone is out of game are you planning on not buying back their shares either or is it just the dividends you plan to withhold?
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Cista2
Borealis Innovations
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Posted - 2010.06.05 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
If someone is out of game are you planning on not buying back their shares either or is it just the dividends you plan to withhold?
Take a breath before you post. It is shares, they need to be transferred to me for return of principal.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.05 19:32:00 -
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Don't go down this route Cista2 its wrong.
I have over 50 shareholders on my bond and tbh I have no idea how many are out of the game. I am not adjusting my payment methods.
AATP (and BMBE if it changes) I think were unique as they were both 3+ years old when it was clear a good chunk of investors (over 50%) were not in the game, and some hadn't posted or been active in over 2 years.
Also Nouva's last post was 16th March 2010. Three months is hardly long enough for you to suspend dividend payments to this person.
This approach is just wrong.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.06.05 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
Originally by: RAW23
If someone is out of game are you planning on not buying back their shares either or is it just the dividends you plan to withhold?
Take a breath before you post. It is shares, they need to be transferred to me for return of principal.
It was just a question. I didn't mean for it to come across snappy.
It's not strictly true that shares need to be returned in order to return the investment. That is your choice. If you are not going to continue paying dividends it doesn't matter if shares are still outstanding when you close the IPO. They will only have decorative value.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.06.05 19:53:00 -
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As long as you return the capital and missed payments to a returning investor, I see no problem here.
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Cista2
Borealis Innovations
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Posted - 2010.06.05 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Cista2 on 05/06/2010 19:59:51
Originally by: RAW23
It's not strictly true that shares need to be returned in order to return the investment.
You're right actually, sorry. But I will only be returning principal upon receipt of shares - glad we got that covered as well.
Anyway, if Nouva is still in game as you say, nothing will change.
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Syds Sinclair
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Posted - 2010.06.05 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 05/06/2010 20:25:31
Originally by: Ray McCormack
As long as you return the capital and missed payments to a returning investor, I see no problem here.
..Unless an investor is on a hiatus then returns to Eve only to find out that Cista2 has had some RL issues and has taken a hiatus of his/her own, or any number of in game financial issues, and no longer is able to pay the dividends.
It is really shocking to me to see such a reputable MD poster (Cista2, not you Ray) and financial guru who is trusted with public funds to take this route. Especially when you consider the small sum of isk it is.
What is not shocking is to see Ray approve of changing the rules for the benefit of the person who has the public money in his wallet.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.06.05 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Syds Sinclair
What is not shocking is to see Ray approve of changing the rules for the benefit of the person who has the public money in his wallet.
I know, I'm the devil. Even though I give everyone their ISK back. And don't personally benefit from the 'rule changes' I've made. Shame on me, I'm a terrible person.
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Cista2
Borealis Innovations
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Posted - 2010.06.05 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Syds Sinclair
It is really shocking to me to see such a reputable MD poster (Cista2, not you Ray) and financial guru who is trusted with public funds to take this route. Especially when you consider the small sum of isk it is.
What is not shocking is to see Ray approve of changing the rules for the benefit of the person who has the public money in his wallet.
If it is any consolation, the public money in my wallet is long gone. The company was closed already back in January. Shares were sold for around 40 mil isk per share last year, but each share has since then received 60 or 70 mil isk in dividends - so the dividends far outweight the principal already.
For the investors Jidsale was a rather unparallelled goldmine so far, and I have for some reason committed myself to continue the stream of isk for the rest of 2010 even though the company is long gone. That is why you don't see any investors (yet) complaining on this thread even though I am tightening the grip on the winddown. And that is why I am a bit nonchalant towards criticism from non-investors.
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Syds Sinclair
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Posted - 2010.06.06 00:56:00 -
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..Forgive me for speaking before I knew anything about your business. All I know is that in this thread you implied that investors were entitled to dividends until the end of 2010, and then stated that inactive accounts might not get paid.
As to why you agreed to pay through 2010, or why investors have/are getting such great ROI on this "gold mine" stock, I have no idea. So again, forgive my ignorance, I'll leave your thread alone now.
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2010.06.11 11:18:00 -
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I am pleased to announced that dear Nouva is still with us. Therefore nothing is changing in the distribution of dividends for the time being. When we get to autumn I will look it over again.
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2010.07.01 17:30:00 -
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Dividends have been paid today July 1 (2 portions).
In July I am offering a buyback bonus price of 75 mil isk per Jidsale share.
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2010.08.01 08:18:00 -
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Dividends have been paid today ( two separate transactions)
In August I am offering a buyback price of 70 mil isk per share.
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Ballet
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:44:00 -
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Thanks, divis received!
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2010.08.30 10:10:00 -
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Dividends have been paid today, a couple of days early.
Buyback value of shares in September is 65 mil isk.
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