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5econdary Target
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.01 12:10:00 -
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Hi,
I soon will jump into a Golem and I wonder if a Crystal set is needed, or is the Golem tank/cap that good that this investment isn`t a "must have" ?
Thanks
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Cambarus
The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.04.01 12:34:00 -
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I run missions in a vargur atm, and most missions I don't even need to turn on my tank at all. You'll be fine without crystals. |
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.04.01 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolus on 01/04/2010 14:41:11
If you invest about 300-400MIL into some low grade Crystals you'll get about 10-12% bonus to shield boosting on a Golem...
Whether this makes a small or huge difference for you really depends on your fit. I can honestly say that for my fit, it is just icing on the cake, and not a huge boost to my ability to tank. I'd say, the bigger the shield booster you fit on your Golem, the more implants are going to help, i.e. simple math really. For instance, my Golem does not even have any shield boost amps fit, because they do not impact my tank as much as hardeners do, with my particular fit.
I looked at the full blown Crystal set, and it was only somewhat better than the low grade as it gives you +3 to attributes instead of +2. When you factor in a substantial difference in price between low grade and full Crystal then it makes them seem even less worth it to me personally. I do not really have an intimate understanding of implants to begin with, so maybe someone else can explain if the Crystal set has some other advantage I am not seeing, cuz it looks like the complete set whether low grade or full Crystal still only gives 15% maximum bonus to shield boosting.
i.e. If you really want to use some implants, buy a couple of the low grade Crystals, but for the most part, it's just going to add some more cushion to your tank, and not much else.
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Jotobar
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Posted - 2010.04.01 14:40:00 -
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What do you mean with needed?
with chrystals you get more tank which translates into either more target painters or a cheaper booster.
You can certainly run one without em though.
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Calydonian Boar
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Posted - 2010.04.01 14:54:00 -
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Mendolus, can you post your fit pls?
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.04.01 15:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Mendolus
Edited by: Mendolus on 01/04/2010 14:41:11
If you invest about 300-400MIL into some low grade Crystals you'll get about 10-12% bonus to shield boosting on a Golem...
actually with just the first 5 implants from the LG set you will gain ~23% or so more shield boost, extremly worth it for not really very much compared to HG+omega.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.04.01 15:02:00 -
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[Golem, Bahamut]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Race Specific Hardener
Race Specific Hardener
Race Specific Hardener
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Large Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.04.01 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
Originally by: Mendolus
Edited by: Mendolus on 01/04/2010 14:41:11
If you invest about 300-400MIL into some low grade Crystals you'll get about 10-12% bonus to shield boosting on a Golem...
actually with just the first 5 implants from the LG set you will gain ~23% or so more shield boost, extremly worth it for not really very much compared to HG+omega.
Low-grade Crystal Alpha +1%
Low-grade Crystal Beta +2%
Low-grade Crystal Gamma +3%
Low-grade Crystal Delta +4%
Low-grade Crystal Epsilon +5%
Low-grade Crystal Omega
I thought it was additive, i.e. +15% bonus to shield boost amount? Maybe I need to look at it ingame... trusting too much in EFT does not always lead to good things.
{...and they will respect a line drawn in the sand more than forgiveness} |
Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2010.04.01 15:21:00 -
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Regular sets:
Snake: 24.73% velocity bonus
Slave: 53.63% armor hp bonus
Crystal: 53.63% shield boost bonus
Talisman: -38.12% energy emission systems duration bonus
Halo: -20.7% signature radius bonus
Low-grade sets:
Snake: 16.02% velocity bonus
Slave: 33.83% armor hp bonus
Crystal: 33.83% shield boost bonus
Talisman: -26.94% energy emission systems duration bonus
Halo: -14.3% signature radius bonus
Nomad: -26.94% agility bonus
Centurion: +33.83% ewar optimal range bonus
Edge: -26.94% reduction to booster side effects
Harvest: +33.83% mining laser range bonus
Virtue: +33.83% probe scan strength
From here.
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ZW Dewitt
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Posted - 2010.04.01 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: ZW Dewitt on 01/04/2010 15:35:23
Originally by: Dr Fighter
actually with just the first 5 implants from the LG set you will gain ~23% or so more shield boost, extremly worth it for not really very much compared to HG+omega.
Except for the -3 attribute penalty compared to +5s. Golem can tank just fine without crystals.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.04.01 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolus on 01/04/2010 16:00:17
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Regular sets:
Snake: 24.73% velocity bonus
Slave: 53.63% armor hp bonus
Crystal: 53.63% shield boost bonus
Talisman: -38.12% energy emission systems duration bonus
Halo: -20.7% signature radius bonus
Low-grade sets:
Snake: 16.02% velocity bonus
Slave: 33.83% armor hp bonus
Crystal: 33.83% shield boost bonus
Talisman: -26.94% energy emission systems duration bonus
Halo: -14.3% signature radius bonus
Nomad: -26.94% agility bonus
Centurion: +33.83% ewar optimal range bonus
Edge: -26.94% reduction to booster side effects
Harvest: +33.83% mining laser range bonus
Virtue: +33.83% probe scan strength
From here.
Ahhhh very nice, tyvm :)
OP:
So yea, low grade, I almost have the full set of LG, but I still do not recommend them unless you're using an XL booster, or you just want some extra cushion on what will already be a sufficient tank for a Golem.
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Dread Phantom
Caldari
End Game.
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Posted - 2010.04.01 16:08:00 -
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If you are gonna go down the road of pimping your golem crystals is the best place to start, large bonus to tank without any added gank risk. its not really a must have but can allow you to run less tanky setups for more mission speed
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Skykilla
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Posted - 2010.05.11 11:20:00 -
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you must have T2 large range rigs to hit everything. also, more range means your rage torps can hit further and you can rely on your weaker javelin torps less.
it blows to train and buy expensive rigs that dont increase your dps (directly), but you must if you want to mission in a golem and not go crazy.
OR you could fit an AB...but then you are reduced to chasing each BS rat around the room which gets old fast.
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Moni Toimikone
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.11 12:01:00 -
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I'd take my +4 attribute implants over the Crystals any day. The Golem already tanks more than enough for lvl4 missions.
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