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Snyderm
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Posted - 2010.04.05 20:43:00 -
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So, am I wrong, or does CCP have no intention whatsoever of rebalancing gallante ships because they think they are already balanced?
I didn't see the new expansion details saying anything about rebalancing them.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.05 20:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Snyderm
So, am I wrong, or does CCP have no intention whatsoever of rebalancing gallante ships because they think they are already balanced?
I didn't see the new expansion details saying anything about rebalancing them.
It took a long time for Projectiles. I would start with the requests and petitioning now to twist arms enough for the inevitable winter patch...
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Tyrone Bighams
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.05 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Snyderm
So, am I wrong, or does CCP have no intention whatsoever of rebalancing gallante ships because they think they are already balanced?
I didn't see the new expansion details saying anything about rebalancing them.
In all honesty, i think CCP might have dropped the ball on this one. i doubt the terrible performance of Gallente is intentional, but every time something is nerfed it is tied inextricably to gallentean tactics and ship fittings.
A great deal of the problems with Gallente is also attributable to a lack of attention. CCP has had a lot on their plates as of late, and most of the problems with the way Gallente play are simply due to changes in the world around them. As underdogs get boosted, the game dynamic steadily changes. CCP's only fault is not realizing that and keeping tabs on each race, not just the one they like this week.
that said, Tyrannis should include a gallente boost, even if they have to work overtime to put it in. Gallente need that boost badly
CCP. Hear my prayer from atop your bone strewn tower! Boost Gallente, for they have become free kills in todays fleet warfare due to poor range, ineffective webs, and terrible speed! |
elnukeo
Minmatar
The Blue Suns
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Posted - 2010.04.05 21:12:00 -
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lol this thread is awesome. if gallente do get a boost by the winter patch the 4 races will be in complete ZEN!!!
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.06 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Empire Wolf
Originally by: Tagami Wasp
Agree, railguns are OP.
just out of curiosity whats the current state of railguns, i inted to make a gallente drone platform but i also want to try sniping from a gallente ship? i only know that autocannons are a lot better then blasters that are dramatically up since their dmg difference isnt big
Read my sig (and the threadnaught therein).
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2010.04.06 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Seriously Bored
It took a long time for Projectiles. I would start with the requests and petitioning now to twist arms enough for the inevitable winter patch...
It will DEFINITELY happen by winter. Only question is... which winter? I'm betting 2012.
Taxman IX: Risky Venture
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Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2010.04.06 04:49:00 -
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CCP doesn't need any suggestions on how to nerf Gallente. They got that all figured out, thank you very much.
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Headerman
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Posted - 2010.04.06 05:05:00 -
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Just change the ships bonuses from HYBRID to PROJECTILE.
Fixed.
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Nnam Pir
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.06 05:06:00 -
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I'd love to be able to deal EM or KIN damage with themthere OP Blasters.
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Jerid Verges
Gallente
The Society of Innovation
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.04.06 05:23:00 -
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Seriously. The only ship in Caldari that can even COMPETE with Gallente is the Rokh, because it is meant to use Rails. Which everyone knows rocks.
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WaiKin Beldar
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.06 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: TV Evangelist
Edited by: TV Evangelist on 04/04/2010 22:30:40
Gallente are WAAAY op with high dps blaster ships. This is largely because armor tanking compliments blaster setups SO WELL!
Blasters
The damage of blasters is so far and away better than lasers or autocannons that it MORE than makes up for their range advantage. Lasers and AC's are further hampered by the prevalence of NULL ammo.
Railguns
Railguns get the advantage of having SPECTACULAR dps AND volley damage. All the while benefiting from SPIKE ammo which gives a HUGE range advantage to gallente bs!
Armor Tanking
Armor tanking really helps with the philosophy of use for gallente. Combined with a MWD it gives them unmitigated KENYAN speed towards their target, TONS of low slots left for damage mods, as well as HUGE amounts of EHP to give it time to deal it's OP blaster damage with no way for the target to escape the onslaught due to OP webs.
This cannot be tolerated any longer.
Excellent metatroll 
Not sure enough if 2012 will be too early for CCP to boost Gallente (without messing up or nerfing the other races) considering the amount of work related with the planned, and business-oriented, two expansions per year.
Actually with the first stages of Tyrannis on sight I doubt they have any slot available to even consider this in their priority list tbh, without forgetting DUST and its announced interaction with EVE. All in all, too complex for not being messy at some point.
Something that scares me, considering the problems we have right now after Dominion expansion with LAG and SovWarfare.
I 'd be more than welcome, as well as amazed, if they could do something about the topic with such an impressive task list hitting them on their calendar. Honestly.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.06 13:26:00 -
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Just to be clear: I didn't mean that a hybrid fix was inevitable for winter.
What I meant was that a winter patch will inevitably happen.
And if you want a hybrid change start revving your engines now, because that's the earliest it would happen...
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Snyderm
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Posted - 2010.04.06 14:09:00 -
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Well, whats the solution to the Gallante problem?
For PVP, I would say extend the range of null. After all, Gallante armor tankers are inconvenienced enough by their armor buffered speed, why put them in such unfavorable situations? A damage bonus would be good, but would that lead to an overspamming of Shield tanked Thorax and Brutix?
For PVE, I would think they need a tech 2 ammo type that is actually useful. Blasters have WAY too short a range for NULL to be used, and Javelin ammo isn't useful at all. It can't track, it has no range, it (amazingly) further depletes your cap, and eliminates any chance your ship has at actually moving. Really CCP? It eliminates your speed AND has no range? I actually think it would be FAR more balanced if it increased your speed! That would actually be fun, have challenging range but an increased speed while it is equiped. Perhaps a capacitor drain while it is equipped! *ahem*. Anyway, I think I made my point, Javelin sucks. Why can't Gallante have something useful for PVE? Poor Kronos.
As a (shall we say, developing) gallante pilot, I feel there is no where to train to. Why train a race that has no useful weapons on many of its ships? When I started training gallante, I had no way to know gallante was (or would be) a dead race.
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Dark Invoker
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Posted - 2010.04.06 18:52:00 -
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Nerf Deimos and Eos
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Nina Treml
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Posted - 2010.04.06 19:36:00 -
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Don't forget about the scrambler: it's not only that you can't web targets as effectivly as before, but they can even disable your mwd.
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2010.04.06 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Seriously Bored
You're going about this totally the wrong way. Gallente needs stealth nerfs, which is how CCP likes to do it to them.
For instance we could put a stacking penalty on trimarks, make 1600mm RT worse than 1600mm II, or reduce MWD speed to 400% because people keep fitting them waaaay more often than Afterburners still.
I'm sure there are other ways to stealth nerf as well without ever touching hybrids or hybrid ammo.
This reads like a horror novel.
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Exploding Tukey
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Posted - 2010.04.06 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
It will DEFINITELY happen by winter. Only question is... which winter? I'm betting 2012.
THE MAYANS HAVE PREDICTED IT!!
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Outsourced Telemarketer
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Posted - 2010.04.07 04:43:00 -
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NERF ASTARTE!
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Thirzarr
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Posted - 2010.04.07 06:00:00 -
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And just the other day I was asking my brother who's mastermind might have conceived the idea of putting the most range-dependant weaponsystems that require huge amounts of energy on ships that are plated and have a 'rather weak' capacitor after adding the mwd. :D
*sigh* Brilliant really...
Will /Engineer1: "Are you shure 4 1600 Plates wont make this a bit slowish?"
Gordon /Engineer2: "Well if they want to fight us, they will get closer than 2 km, no?"
E1: "It's a battleship, Gordon..."
E2: "So..."
E1: "Well they tend to have about 50km ranges..."
E2: "What? You're kidding right?"
E1: "Nope"
E2: "Well why would Fleet Command even ORDER such weapons and ships then, huh Mr Smartwill?"
E1: "Because they are a bunch of dumb f*cks!"
E2: *ducks*
Speakerphone: "Dr Will, please proceed to the office right now. Dr. Will to the office."
Will was never seen again, and the Hyperion got developed.
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lythos miralbar
4 wing
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.07 15:47:00 -
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IMHO give blaster ships a speed/agility boost so they can try to get in range with thier blasters easier.
I fly Gallente a lot (which is why I die a lot, nothing to do with me being a sucky at pvp, honest.. ) and I could see that making a fairly big difference.
When you get in range and can keep at just the right range blasters rock, the bit that makes them so damm hard to use is the fact that you have to get in range first.
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Punaineefor Gaius
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Posted - 2010.04.07 16:46:00 -
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Yeah... Blaster Harpys are the new win... Especially when up against the Dramiels... they can take them down quite nicely
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2010.04.07 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Trevor Warps on 07/04/2010 17:42:17
Yes nerf blasters. I find it offending to actually be able to hit someone once every two weeks. These guns should be obsolete already.
Also nerf the Brutix ... with the speed changes it really is overpowered.
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Eugenics Progeny
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Posted - 2010.04.07 18:44:00 -
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NERF DAMPS!
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2010.04.07 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Eugenics Progeny
NERF DAMPS!
That's a low blow <.< lol
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Susy Assulu
Caldari
Atomic Mexicans
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Posted - 2010.04.07 21:56:00 -
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Tanaka Reina
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Posted - 2010.04.08 04:35:00 -
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nerf rockets, i just shot someone with them! and I was wtfpwn
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Tibalt Avalon
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.04.08 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Evans
You made my week
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TV Evangelist
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Posted - 2010.04.09 02:09:00 -
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I'm dedicating this video to you TV Evangelist <3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjofj4ut2dchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjofj4ut2dc[/url]
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Admiral LoLbar
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Posted - 2010.04.09 03:23:00 -
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Combined with a MWD it gives them unmitigated KENYAN speed towards their target,
10/10
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The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2010.04.10 09:03:00 -
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Nerf the Mega it out damages my Tempest. 
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Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus
Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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