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TV Evangelist	Posted - 2010.04.04 22:30:00 - [1] Edited by: TV Evangelist on 04/04/2010 22:30:40 Gallente are WAAAY op with high dps blaster ships. This is largely because armor tanking compliments blaster setups SO WELL! Blasters The damage of blasters is so far and away better than lasers or autocannons that it MORE than makes up for their range advantage. Lasers and AC's are further hampered by the prevalence of NULL ammo. Railguns Railguns get the advantage of having SPECTACULAR dps AND volley damage. All the while benefiting from SPIKE ammo which gives a HUGE range advantage to gallente bs! Armor Tanking Armor tanking really helps with the philosophy of use for gallente. Combined with a MWD it gives them unmitigated KENYAN speed towards their target, TONS of low slots left for damage mods, as well as HUGE amounts of EHP to give it time to deal it's OP blaster damage with no way for the target to escape the onslaught due to OP webs. This cannot be tolerated any longer.
Ogogov	Posted - 2010.04.04 22:33:00 - [2] Can I have your babies?
Bibbleibble	Posted - 2010.04.04 22:33:00 - [3] Originally by: TV Evangelist Edited by: TV Evangelist on 04/04/2010 22:30:40 Gallente are WAAAY op with high dps blaster ships. This is largely because armor tanking compliments blaster setups SO WELL! Blasters The damage of blasters is so far and away better than lasers or autocannons that it MORE than makes up for their range advantage. Lasers and AC's are further hampered by the prevalence of NULL ammo. Railguns Railguns get the advantage of having SPECTACULAR dps AND volley damage. All the while benefiting from SPIKE ammo which gives a HUGE range advantage to gallente bs! Armor Tanking Armor tanking really helps with the philosophy of use for gallente. Combined with a MWD it gives them unmitigated KENYAN speed towards their target, TONS of low slots left for damage mods, as well as HUGE amounts of EHP to give it time to deal it's OP blaster damage with no way for the target to escape the onslaught due to OP webs. This cannot be tolerated any longer. If this is a cunning metatroll to get CCP to boost Gallente, then this is win. Else:
Veron Kirtor Gallente Crimson Star Empire	Posted - 2010.04.04 22:36:00 - [4] I'd just like to point out that if I want to kill a player, I literally have to stick my blasters up his ass to hit anything.
Colonel Evans	Posted - 2010.04.04 22:37:00 - [5]
Chocratess	Posted - 2010.04.04 22:41:00 - [6] hahaha tons o low slots for damage eh. lets first take a look at why a t2 shield setup requires no lvl 5's then lets see how awesome armour tanking is but i agree, buff gallente plz Touch not the Cat bot a Glove
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.04 22:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Veron Kirtor I'd just like to point out that if I want to kill a player, I literally have to stick my blasters up his ass to hit anything. But if you do that and he wiggles, you'll miss due to tracking.
Don Pellegrino The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.04.04 23:00:00 - [8] I love you :) And yes, we all know that more than half of the Gallente ships need tweaking, along with Hybrid guns.
Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2010.04.05 03:37:00 - [9] Gallente combat philosophy is awful. Slow armor boats with short range weapons and active tank bonuses. Drone boats aren't as bad (Slow armor boats with medium range weapon systems that do ok to mediocre damage but can fit buffer, or go shield tanked and pick up some speed.) but turrets are preferable over drones these days Long ago this made sense. In an environment with few blobs active tanking outpreforms buffer setups. High dps to break active tanks is required, and you're less likely to get ganked. But now you need to be very fast to not get blobbed and ganked while solo. Armor sucks for this. Even with cloaks armor tankers are much less survivable. This is basically the reason Gallente have difficulty solo. Thats not even getting into the difficult question of if a active rep blaster setup will win a fair fight against a simular opponent. And in blobs 'active tanking' equates to 'instapop,' and 'short range high dps' equates to 'no dps on target before it explodes.' In really big blobs when you switch over to rails you get the joy of hybrids in the form of rails, which equate to 'has few benefits but all the penalties associated with all types of turrets.'
Eugenics Progeny	Posted - 2010.04.05 07:19:00 - [10] LOL! awesome thread. :P

Zilberfrid	Posted - 2010.04.05 07:22:00 - [11] A nerf Gallente thread, never though I'd see the day. Tell me, which other race has these three advantages: Very close range (needs MWD to even get there, that's some cap, this also makes fitting plates harder) Active tanking (hey, more cap lost) Weapons that use cap (Hmmm, all my mids are used by boosters, but I have no cargo to actually take enough with me, with the cargo for my ammo) There also is the large sig, made all the worse when MWDing, and largish inertia.
Karma InnRuin	Posted - 2010.04.05 09:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Veron Kirtor I'd just like to point out that if I want to kill a player, I literally have to stick my blasters up his ass to hit anything. I did have a beer, it's now over my keyboard! ROFL 10/10
Rastigan Caldari Ars ex Discordia Here Be Dragons	Posted - 2010.04.05 12:31:00 - [13] Nonsense, just because a tier 1 Amarr Battleship with Tachyons can outdps and out track quite possibly the highest dps battleship in the game that also has a tracking bonus the 'Vindicator' with 425mm railguns doesnt mean Railguns arent awesome wtfpwnsauce.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.05 12:52:00 - [14] You're going about this totally the wrong way. Gallente needs stealth nerfs, which is how CCP likes to do it to them. For instance we could put a stacking penalty on trimarks, make 1600mm RT worse than 1600mm II, or reduce MWD speed to 400% because people keep fitting them waaaay more often than Afterburners still. I'm sure there are other ways to stealth nerf as well without ever touching hybrids or hybrid ammo.
Tagami Wasp Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.05 12:55:00 - [15] Agree, railguns are OP. ------------ +15% to railguns' dmg modifier -reduce Spike optimal bonus to 70% +10% to Caldari railboats PG
FireT Gallente As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions	Posted - 2010.04.05 13:48:00 - [16] Could you enlighten me as to what my Gallente character has been doing wrong then? Oh wise TV Evangelist!
Empire Wolf	Posted - 2010.04.05 14:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Tagami Wasp Agree, railguns are OP. just out of curiosity whats the current state of railguns, i inted to make a gallente drone platform but i also want to try sniping from a gallente ship? i only know that autocannons are a lot better then blasters that are dramatically up since their dmg difference isnt big
Baneken Gallente Aseveljet Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.04.05 15:34:00 - [18] Well I think rats don't shoot drones hard enough, maybe they should attack drones as soon as you launch them and ignore the player like sleepers do. After all lvl 4 AFK missioning in domi is outrageously profitable these days.
Chocratess	Posted - 2010.04.05 17:04:00 - [19] anyone know if ccp is going to address hybrids any time soon? While i'm an avid drone user, i still need my guns every once in a while Touch not the Cat bot a Glove
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.04.05 17:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Chocratess anyone know if ccp is going to address hybrids any time soon? While i'm an avid drone user, i still need my guns every once in a while Get in line behind rockets. _________________________________ Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.

1600 RT	Posted - 2010.04.05 17:31:00 - [21] 0/10 too obvious
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.05 18:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Originally by: Chocratess anyone know if ccp is going to address hybrids any time soon? While i'm an avid drone user, i still need my guns every once in a while Get in line behind rockets. I'd prefer the weapon system used by two of the four races at all ship sizes gets fixed first, not that either of our preferences matter. And sadly, I haven't seen any mention for a Tyrannis fix for either of the weapon types...
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.04.05 19:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Veron Kirtor I'd just like to point out that if I want to kill a player, I literally have to stick my blasters up his ass to hit anything. l2p ur class n00b! If you want decent range from your blasters, load your blasters into your railguns and fire them out the railguns. There's a reason why Gallente have huge cargo holds. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Trader20	Posted - 2010.04.05 19:16:00 - [24] Hybrids and armor tanking are fine, just like op said, now move along everybody..... and ppl with tracking issues, fit dual web/scram ffs
Eugenics Progeny	Posted - 2010.04.05 20:01:00 - [25] NERF!!
Tyrone Bighams Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.04.05 20:04:00 - [26] Stand up for the rights of free gallenteans everywhere!!! rally, well change CCP's minds! In all honesty, TV Evangelist has a series of excellent points, and wreathing them in sarcasm shields them from trolls who dont want to see a balanced game, and rather prefer to get free kills on every person who accidentally trained gallente way back when. 10/10. best damn post ive seen all year CCP. Hear my prayer from atop your bone strewn tower! Boost Gallente, for they have become free kills in todays fleet warfare due to poor range, ineffective webs, and terrible speed. Do this and yo
Outsourced Telemarketer	Posted - 2010.04.05 20:06:00 - [27] 10/10
Tyrone Bighams Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.04.05 20:10:00 - [28] Originally by: 1600 RT 0/10 too obvious obvious troll is too obvious CCP. Hear my prayer from atop your bone strewn tower! Boost Gallente, for they have become free kills in todays fleet warfare due to poor range, ineffective webs, and terrible speed. Do this and yo
Captain Ziltoid	Posted - 2010.04.05 20:13:00 - [29] Does "OP" stand for "Overpriced?" Because with the current state railguns are in, I would have to be paid to use them... Viva La Revoluci=n!
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2010.04.05 20:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Veron Kirtor I'd just like to point out that if I want to kill a player, I literally have to stick my blasters up his ass to hit anything. why would you want to even stick your blasters up anyones buttocks. What are you a freak? I'd so be switching to minma....wait I mean amar...wait caldari I mean finally. Now that is a prop..hahaha..er pvp race.

Snyderm	Posted - 2010.04.05 20:43:00 - [31] So, am I wrong, or does CCP have no intention whatsoever of rebalancing gallante ships because they think they are already balanced? I didn't see the new expansion details saying anything about rebalancing them. Because Gallante are the Washington Generals of EVE.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.05 20:47:00 - [32] Originally by: Snyderm So, am I wrong, or does CCP have no intention whatsoever of rebalancing gallante ships because they think they are already balanced? I didn't see the new expansion details saying anything about rebalancing them. It took a long time for Projectiles. I would start with the requests and petitioning now to twist arms enough for the inevitable winter patch...
Tyrone Bighams Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.04.05 20:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Snyderm So, am I wrong, or does CCP have no intention whatsoever of rebalancing gallante ships because they think they are already balanced? I didn't see the new expansion details saying anything about rebalancing them. In all honesty, i think CCP might have dropped the ball on this one. i doubt the terrible performance of Gallente is intentional, but every time something is nerfed it is tied inextricably to gallentean tactics and ship fittings. A great deal of the problems with Gallente is also attributable to a lack of attention. CCP has had a lot on their plates as of late, and most of the problems with the way Gallente play are simply due to changes in the world around them. As underdogs get boosted, the game dynamic steadily changes. CCP's only fault is not realizing that and keeping tabs on each race, not just the one they like this week. that said, Tyrannis should include a gallente boost, even if they have to work overtime to put it in. Gallente need that boost badly CCP. Hear my prayer from atop your bone strewn tower! Boost Gallente, for they have become free kills in todays fleet warfare due to poor range, ineffective webs, and terrible speed!
elnukeo Minmatar The Blue Suns	Posted - 2010.04.05 21:12:00 - [34] lol this thread is awesome. if gallente do get a boost by the winter patch the 4 races will be in complete ZEN!!! ---------------------------------------
Tagami Wasp Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.06 01:14:00 - [35] Originally by: Empire Wolf Originally by: Tagami Wasp Agree, railguns are OP. just out of curiosity whats the current state of railguns, i inted to make a gallente drone platform but i also want to try sniping from a gallente ship? i only know that autocannons are a lot better then blasters that are dramatically up since their dmg difference isnt big Read my sig (and the threadnaught therein). ------------ +15% to railguns' dmg modifier -reduce Spike optimal bonus to 70% +10% to Caldari railboats PG
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2010.04.06 02:29:00 - [36] Originally by: Seriously Bored It took a long time for Projectiles. I would start with the requests and petitioning now to twist arms enough for the inevitable winter patch... It will DEFINITELY happen by winter. Only question is... which winter? I'm betting 2012. Taxman IX: Risky Venture
Mire Stoude The Undesirables	Posted - 2010.04.06 04:49:00 - [37] CCP doesn't need any suggestions on how to nerf Gallente. They got that all figured out, thank you very much.
Headerman	Posted - 2010.04.06 05:05:00 - [38] Just change the ships bonuses from HYBRID to PROJECTILE. Fixed.
Nnam Pir Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.06 05:06:00 - [39] I'd love to be able to deal EM or KIN damage with themthere OP Blasters.
Jerid Verges Gallente The Society of Innovation The Last Stand	Posted - 2010.04.06 05:23:00 - [40] Seriously. The only ship in Caldari that can even COMPETE with Gallente is the Rokh, because it is meant to use Rails. Which everyone knows rocks.

WaiKin Beldar Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 09:06:00 - [41] Originally by: TV Evangelist Edited by: TV Evangelist on 04/04/2010 22:30:40 Gallente are WAAAY op with high dps blaster ships. This is largely because armor tanking compliments blaster setups SO WELL! Blasters The damage of blasters is so far and away better than lasers or autocannons that it MORE than makes up for their range advantage. Lasers and AC's are further hampered by the prevalence of NULL ammo. Railguns Railguns get the advantage of having SPECTACULAR dps AND volley damage. All the while benefiting from SPIKE ammo which gives a HUGE range advantage to gallente bs! Armor Tanking Armor tanking really helps with the philosophy of use for gallente. Combined with a MWD it gives them unmitigated KENYAN speed towards their target, TONS of low slots left for damage mods, as well as HUGE amounts of EHP to give it time to deal it's OP blaster damage with no way for the target to escape the onslaught due to OP webs. This cannot be tolerated any longer. Excellent metatroll Not sure enough if 2012 will be too early for CCP to boost Gallente (without messing up or nerfing the other races) considering the amount of work related with the planned, and business-oriented, two expansions per year. Actually with the first stages of Tyrannis on sight I doubt they have any slot available to even consider this in their priority list tbh, without forgetting DUST and its announced interaction with EVE. All in all, too complex for not being messy at some point. Something that scares me, considering the problems we have right now after Dominion expansion with LAG and SovWarfare. I 'd be more than welcome, as well as amazed, if they could do something about the topic with such an impressive task list hitting them on their calendar. Honestly.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.06 13:26:00 - [42] Just to be clear: I didn't mean that a hybrid fix was inevitable for winter. What I meant was that a winter patch will inevitably happen. And if you want a hybrid change start revving your engines now, because that's the earliest it would happen...
Snyderm	Posted - 2010.04.06 14:09:00 - [43] Well, whats the solution to the Gallante problem? For PVP, I would say extend the range of null. After all, Gallante armor tankers are inconvenienced enough by their armor buffered speed, why put them in such unfavorable situations? A damage bonus would be good, but would that lead to an overspamming of Shield tanked Thorax and Brutix? For PVE, I would think they need a tech 2 ammo type that is actually useful. Blasters have WAY too short a range for NULL to be used, and Javelin ammo isn't useful at all. It can't track, it has no range, it (amazingly) further depletes your cap, and eliminates any chance your ship has at actually moving. Really CCP? It eliminates your speed AND has no range? I actually think it would be FAR more balanced if it increased your speed! That would actually be fun, have challenging range but an increased speed while it is equiped. Perhaps a capacitor drain while it is equipped! ahem. Anyway, I think I made my point, Javelin sucks. Why can't Gallante have something useful for PVE? Poor Kronos. As a (shall we say, developing) gallante pilot, I feel there is no where to train to. Why train a race that has no useful weapons on many of its ships? When I started training gallante, I had no way to know gallante was (or would be) a dead race. Because Gallante are the Washington Generals of EVE.
Dark Invoker	Posted - 2010.04.06 18:52:00 - [44] Nerf Deimos and Eos
Nina Treml	Posted - 2010.04.06 19:36:00 - [45] Don't forget about the scrambler: it's not only that you can't web targets as effectivly as before, but they can even disable your mwd.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:38:00 - [46] Originally by: Seriously Bored You're going about this totally the wrong way. Gallente needs stealth nerfs, which is how CCP likes to do it to them. For instance we could put a stacking penalty on trimarks, make 1600mm RT worse than 1600mm II, or reduce MWD speed to 400% because people keep fitting them waaaay more often than Afterburners still. I'm sure there are other ways to stealth nerf as well without ever touching hybrids or hybrid ammo. This reads like a horror novel.
Exploding Tukey	Posted - 2010.04.06 20:41:00 - [47] Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff It will DEFINITELY happen by winter. Only question is... which winter? I'm betting 2012. THE MAYANS HAVE PREDICTED IT!!
Outsourced Telemarketer	Posted - 2010.04.07 04:43:00 - [48] NERF ASTARTE!
Thirzarr	Posted - 2010.04.07 06:00:00 - [49] And just the other day I was asking my brother who's mastermind might have conceived the idea of putting the most range-dependant weaponsystems that require huge amounts of energy on ships that are plated and have a 'rather weak' capacitor after adding the mwd. :D sigh Brilliant really... Will /Engineer1: "Are you shure 4 1600 Plates wont make this a bit slowish?" Gordon /Engineer2: "Well if they want to fight us, they will get closer than 2 km, no?" E1: "It's a battleship, Gordon..." E2: "So..." E1: "Well they tend to have about 50km ranges..." E2: "What? You're kidding right?" E1: "Nope" E2: "Well why would Fleet Command even ORDER such weapons and ships then, huh Mr Smartwill?" E1: "Because they are a bunch of dumb fcks!" E2: ducks* Speakerphone: "Dr Will, please proceed to the office right now. Dr. Will to the office." Will was never seen again, and the Hyperion got developed.
lythos miralbar 4 wing Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.07 15:47:00 - [50] IMHO give blaster ships a speed/agility boost so they can try to get in range with thier blasters easier. I fly Gallente a lot (which is why I die a lot, nothing to do with me being a sucky at pvp, honest..) and I could see that making a fairly big difference. When you get in range and can keep at just the right range blasters rock, the bit that makes them so damm hard to use is the fact that you have to get in range first.

Punaineefor Gaius	Posted - 2010.04.07 16:46:00 - [51] Yeah... Blaster Harpys are the new win... Especially when up against the Dramiels... they can take them down quite nicely
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2010.04.07 17:41:00 - [52] Edited by: Trevor Warps on 07/04/2010 17:42:17 Yes nerf blasters. I find it offending to actually be able to hit someone once every two weeks. These guns should be obsolete already. Also nerf the Brutix ... with the speed changes it really is overpowered.
Eugenics Progeny	Posted - 2010.04.07 18:44:00 - [53] NERF DAMPS!
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2010.04.07 21:40:00 - [54] Originally by: Eugenics Progeny NERF DAMPS! That's a low blow <.< lol
Susy Assulu Caldari Atomic Mexicans	Posted - 2010.04.07 21:56:00 - [55]
Tanaka Reina	Posted - 2010.04.08 04:35:00 - [56] nerf rockets, i just shot someone with them! and I was wtfpwn
Tibalt Avalon Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.04.08 06:05:00 - [57] Originally by: Colonel Evans You made my week Hardstyle Ambassador
TV Evangelist	Posted - 2010.04.09 02:09:00 - [58] I'm dedicating this video to you TV Evangelist <3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjofj4ut2dc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjofj4ut2dc[/url]
Admiral LoLbar	Posted - 2010.04.09 03:23:00 - [59] Quote: Combined with a MWD it gives them unmitigated KENYAN speed towards their target, 10/10
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition	Posted - 2010.04.10 09:03:00 - [60] Nerf the Mega it out damages my Tempest. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.



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