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HoboHunter1001
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Posted - 2010.04.06 04:02:00 -
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I used to play wow, which I stopped because the community was absolutely terrible. Anyways, I must say, I did not expect to see the level of WoW-like *****ing as I've seen in this game. In WoW, it was non-stop *****ing about DKs being OP or nerfing fear or whatever, and apparently that's what half the threads on this forum are as well. You pick a race, but you can fly everything, EVERYTHING! If you don't like the state of a race's ships, fly another! Once you have the core skills that all ships use I guarantee you it will take way less time to go from one faction to another for your whining to actually fall on the deaf ears of CCP enough times to become annoying enough to answer. You don't like gallente? Death with it for a month, maybe two, until you can fly an equal ship from another faction, otherwise, stfu.
TL;DR STFU ABOUT NERFING **** AND BUFFING **** AND JUST TRAIN SOMETHING ELSE IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE.
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Liang Nuren
The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.06 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 06/04/2010 04:19:39 Way ahead of you broski. Just finished polishing off Minmatar Battleship 5 on Liang... but I can fly anything across my alts. :)
-Liang
Ed: I would like to point out, however, that there are imbalances in the game. For better or worse, its easier or harder to bring situations about where certain ship classes or combat techniques can excel. So while we can all just "train something else" - we eventually end up with the situation where EVERYONE is in an Amarr battleship. Because there is no other real choice. :)
And that's not good for the game either. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium Z.E.R.G
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Posted - 2010.04.06 04:31:00 -
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Cynabal puts the Phantasm to shame. That's all I care about. ________
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.06 04:57:00 -
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Nerf Gallente already, I had to turn the MWD on in my rupture to beat a vexor once
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.04.06 07:22:00 -
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Quote: JUST TRAIN SOMETHING ELSE IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE.
Good statement. While your at it, lets nerf projectiles and minmatar ships from OMGTHISISGREAT! to its less then stellar performance pre-dominion. Oh, and nerf amarr lasers so they suck and make you ponder what the hell you trained for T2 Pulse with a side of ScorchBBQ sauce because they are just so good right now but were worse years ago. And lets remove the gallente drone bonus on its ships while bringing back 10+ drones on a cruiser hull, node crashing is awesome in blob lag fleets. Hell, why your at it bring back nano ships and make those gun skills you trained obsolete cause you can't hit Jack or Harry as he is buzzing around you.
So, if CCP nerfed every ship into oblivion then what would you fly? If everybody didn't fly their prefered ship then we would all be piloting shuttles and bumping each other because they are the only ship that is balanced in game against themselves
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Smabs
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Posted - 2010.04.06 10:25:00 -
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So basically what you're saying is that everyone should train up the same three or four ships? Isn't that kind of boring?
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dtyk
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Posted - 2010.04.06 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Smabs So basically what you're saying is that everyone should train up the same three or four ships? Isn't that kind of boring?
Everyone knows that every sub-capital ship that isn't a Dramiel, Rupture, Harbinger or Apocalypse is pointless and should be removed form the game in order to have to bother with such mundane matters as game balance.
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Ernesto DaSilva
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Posted - 2010.04.06 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: HoboHunter1001 TL;DR STFU ABOUT NERFING **** AND BUFFING **** AND JUST TRAIN SOMETHING ELSE IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE.
stfu about nerfing **** threads and buffing **** threads and just read something else if you're confident with what you have.
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FarosWarrior
Amarr Sonnema
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Posted - 2010.04.06 11:05:00 -
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I actually like the idea of being able to train what you want, in WoW you are stuck with 1 char and when you dont like being a death knight (I assume that's DK) you have to reroll your char into something you DO like, and I'm not the person that checks every aspect of a game in advance.
So that's why I play EVE, freedom of choice. cheers, Faros
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Ernesto DaSilva
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Posted - 2010.04.06 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: FarosWarrior I actually like the idea of being able to train what you want, in WoW you are stuck with 1 char and when you dont like being a death knight (I assume that's DK) you have to reroll your char into something you DO like, and I'm not the person that checks every aspect of a game in advance.
actually you could as well just roll another char in wow and it wouldn't take as long as training another race in eve.
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Syrous Tlesta
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Posted - 2010.04.06 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: HoboHunter1001 I used to play wow, which I stopped because the community was absolutely terrible. Anyways, I must say, I did not expect to see the level of WoW-like *****ing as I've seen in this game. In WoW, it was non-stop *****ing about DKs being OP or nerfing fear or whatever, and apparently that's what half the threads on this forum are as well. You pick a race, but you can fly everything, EVERYTHING! If you don't like the state of a race's ships, fly another! Once you have the core skills that all ships use I guarantee you it will take way less time to go from one faction to another for your whining to actually fall on the deaf ears of CCP enough times to become annoying enough to answer. You don't like gallente? Death with it for a month, maybe two, until you can fly an equal ship from another faction, otherwise, stfu.
TL;DR STFU ABOUT NERFING **** AND BUFFING **** AND JUST TRAIN SOMETHING ELSE IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE.
First of all, DKs are ridiculous overpowered and sec... oh wait sorry that wasn't the point of this post. >_>
Most of the *****ing comes from the fact that to up and change races would take FOREVER. Not to mention, if everyone up and did that who would play Gallente? You'd see maybe 1,000 total gallente combat pilots (whatever devoted Megathron pilots are out there). Of course, you'd still see a quarter million iteron mark Vs running around I suppose. >_>
Originally by: Ernesto DaSilva
actually you could as well just roll another char in wow and it wouldn't take as long as training another race in eve.
QFT. It would be a crapton more work to get up to a PvPable status on a new character (aka level 80) but you could pull it off in a month of gameplay if you really sat down and worked at it. Whereas in Eve, to up and change races, it takes almost no work but so much time it isn't even funny. Sometimes the tradeoff is nice... other times (like when I have a few days off of work or college) I dislike it
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Exploding Tukey
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Posted - 2010.04.06 18:16:00 -
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Wow after 3 months - I'm in all epics, i have a few upgrades left but im doing 90% of my expected class max dps for my spec EVE after 3 months - im flying a BS with decent support skills, i can kill most things about my size, but i still need so much training to do better
WoW after 6 months - Ok! my main is now doing 95% of his projected dps, my alt is geared, and i have a 3rd and 4th alt raiding! my pvp team is uber leet and i spend the time running around and doing dungeons with no loot left to get, new alt time! EVE after 6 months - Ok! i can fly my ship better, maybe i should train another ship to t2. or maybe i should train for capital ships... hmm maybe ill get a t3, or a different t2 cruiser... or maybe crosstrain! oh, ill go into corp management... or leadership skills... or ill start training manufacturing. yeah i never did that yet... argh i cant decide, too many choices!
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Zoe Midoru
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2010.04.06 18:20:00 -
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I'd like to add that part of the interest value, to me, of being able to train for any or all races' ships is that it gives me a lot of options as far as what to fly based on my mood and whim. But the OP, in his nearly boundless ignorance of effective game design, seems convinced that design efforts on the part of CCP to make those choices interesting are hurting the game somehow.
In the OP's perfect world, we can all fly any ship we want, but only five of them are any good and the rest sit ignored. The OP may think that this represents an interesting game, but I have to disagree.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2010.04.06 19:02:00 -
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Funny. This char is 5 something like 5 years old. With some admited failures such as exhumers 3, I have yet to be able to fly all gallenetebased ships. Hell, I can't even fly all gallente ships yet, let alone well. And this is after all these years of solid training only for gallente ships and their supportskills.
I'm planning to looking into crosstraining or getting industrial skills within 4 years, unless new gallente ships are released meanwhile. I have a hard time seeing anyone completing even one race of ships to date even if I didn't have any specced char from scratch.
Thank god for alts, letting you get a somewhat objective view on most ships. Parrots, commence!
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Liang Nuren
The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.06 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah Thank god for alts, letting you get a somewhat objective view on most ships.
Agreed 100% - I've got a 55M SP alt that is pure caldari missile spec. I still haven't cross trained, and I still can't fly everything as well as I'd like. The flip side is that Liang (the character) will soon be able to fly everything subcap quite reasonably. Maybe a year or so? :)
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.04.06 19:36:00 -
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A very bad attitude to balancing, probably the worst that has ever been voiced.
Even if ignoring that training for something else takes time (or cash), the fact that some ships/weapons/mods are completely out of whack doesn't go away just because one chooses to avoid them. If that was true then we would all be flying OP-Nos ECM Dominix' 24/7 with no other ship being close to viable by comparison ...
All the nerf/buff cries are symptoms of frustration. They are not spawned from people's inability to use whatever item is being *****ed about, but from the simple fact that Item A is so much better than Item B that there is no reason to even use Item B if A is available ..
WoW is a top-down tyranny and can not be used as an example of anything relating to Eve. We have a lot more to say and the Dev's are not suffering from such a horrendous disconnect as Blizzard's appear to be.
I for one will continue to scream "the sky is falling" when I come across something I perceive as 'broken', and that is even when I have near maxed skills and can fly/use anything short of Titans between my two accounts.
Worst anti-whine whine evAr!
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Jotobar
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Posted - 2010.04.06 19:46:00 -
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It wasn't this community or that community that was terrible, it was/is you.
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Snyderm
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Posted - 2010.04.06 20:44:00 -
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So why isn't there just one race?
We have more than one Race for two reasons; loyalty, and Variety. Although CCP has mangled the first reason in the game, the second is quite clear.
If the game doesn't have variety, why play?
Sure, everyone COULD fly a Drake, but it would get quite boring.
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Dark Lightening
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Posted - 2010.04.06 23:55:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Lightening on 06/04/2010 23:56:27
Originally by: HoboHunter1001 I used to play wow, which I stopped because the community was absolutely terrible. Anyways, I must say, I did not expect to see the level of WoW-like *****ing as I've seen in this game. In WoW, it was non-stop *****ing about DKs being OP or nerfing fear or whatever, and apparently that's what half the threads on this forum are as well. You pick a race, but you can fly everything, EVERYTHING! If you don't like the state of a race's ships, fly another! Once you have the core skills that all ships use I guarantee you it will take way less time to go from one faction to another for your whining to actually fall on the deaf ears of CCP enough times to become annoying enough to answer. You don't like gallente? Death with it for a month, maybe two, until you can fly an equal ship from another faction, otherwise, stfu.
TL;DR STFU ABOUT NERFING **** AND BUFFING **** AND JUST TRAIN SOMETHING ELSE IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE.
+1
99% of the crying in this forum is from people wanting CCP to change the game to suit their personal playing style, when thinking about the actual problem at hand and coming up with your own solution that involves CHANGING YOUR OWN ****ING TACTICS to overcome your difficulty is just out of the question
Gallente have armor bonuses but sometimes are better when using shields??? ****ing WAHHHH!!!! I fly Caldari, and armor tank my BS's to match the fleet's RR type and you don't see me calling for a half a dozen new threads begging CCP to change the caldari ship slots/bonuses to match the latest fitting craze like a bunch of nubs here are.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2010.04.07 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Snyderm So why isn't there just one race?
We have more than one Race for two reasons; loyalty, and Variety. Although CCP has mangled the first reason in the game, the second is quite clear.
If the game doesn't have variety, why play?
Sure, everyone COULD fly a Drake, but it would get quite boring.
Care to evolveon the reded part? Of course there's more than one ship because of variety(even if I'd rather say complexity) but loyalty? You saying that roleplaying is a grand part of it, or that people have fix ideas? Parrots, commence!
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Aralieus
Amarr Rising Devils Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2010.04.07 08:42:00 -
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Pretty sure the OP doesn't mean everyone should fly the same race but fly what fits your play style. If you actually 'read' what he writes, its some pretty valid points. You guys are just to buff/nerf happy cause you don't have a iwin ship. If blaster's got buffed wtf you think everyone will train for next
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Zoe Midoru
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2010.04.07 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aralieus You guys are just to buff/nerf happy cause you don't have a iwin ship.
It baffles me that the stop-whining-about-ship-imbalance whiners believe that they are the ones opposed to an iwin ship. If CCP implements a living ideal of balance where ships and systems are monitored and balanced against each other as time goes on, there will be fewer iwin ships. If CCP followed your ideal of just shrugging, we'd all be flying neut/ECM domis because nothing else could compete. Which of us wants an iwin ship now?
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HoboHunter1001
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Posted - 2010.04.11 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zoe Midoru
Originally by: Aralieus You guys are just to buff/nerf happy cause you don't have a iwin ship.
It baffles me that the stop-whining-about-ship-imbalance whiners believe that they are the ones opposed to an iwin ship. If CCP implements a living ideal of balance where ships and systems are monitored and balanced against each other as time goes on, there will be fewer iwin ships. If CCP followed your ideal of just shrugging, we'd all be flying neut/ECM domis because nothing else could compete. Which of us wants an iwin ship now?
Yes and I suppose that you are right in expecting perfect balance, as if it is even possible. My point was, if you don't like how a group of ships work, QQing in the forums all day is a waste of time. This isn't wow arena, where all fights are even and under the same circumstances. If a ship is so terrible, you're probably using it wrong, and train for something else, not have everybody cry that they want to armor tank a raven but they can't. I have yet to see a match-up where two ships of equal size and relatively equal skill requirements couldn't go either way, based on the circumstances of the fight.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.11 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: HoboHunter1001 TL;DR STFU ABOUT NERFING **** AND BUFFING **** AND JUST TRAIN SOMETHING ELSE IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE.
As others have pointed out: you do understand that, if this is what people have to do to avoid the balance issues at hand, then nerfing and buffing is really the only viable solution, right? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.11 15:46:00 -
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OP is my hero. A-****ing-men.
The cool thing about EvE is that not only do they troll all things eve here they also troll WoW, although its against the rules to mention it. This is clearly a signature. |
Ka choop
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Posted - 2010.04.11 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: HoboHunter1001 I used to play wow, which I stopped because the community was absolutely terrible. Anyways, I must say, I did not expect to see the level of WoW-like *****ing as I've seen in this game. In WoW, it was non-stop *****ing about DKs being OP or nerfing fear or whatever, and apparently that's what half the threads on this forum are as well.
If you have a point, it's now lost because you couldn't make it valid without referring to another game. Arguments should stand on themselves. Quote: You pick a race, but you can fly everything, EVERYTHING! If you don't like the state of a race's ships, fly another! Once you have the core skills that all ships use I guarantee you it will take way less time to go from one faction to another for your whining to actually fall on the deaf ears of CCP enough times to become annoying enough to answer. You don't like gallente? Death with it for a month, maybe two, until you can fly an equal ship from another faction, otherwise, stfu.
TL;DR STFU ABOUT NERFING **** AND BUFFING **** AND JUST TRAIN SOMETHING ELSE IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE.
People *****ing and whining about their game actually means they care about their game. When threads about buffs and nerfs stop appearing on the forums, that's the time you have to worry because that's when there aren't any people left who care about the game and you might as well call it dead.
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Nina Treml
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Posted - 2010.04.11 16:51:00 -
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bla bla bla rage, whine bla bla rabble bla bla rabble bla bla whine bla bla cry cry bla bla rabble rabble whine rabble, whine rabble cry bla bla cry bla bly idiot bla cry rabble
tl;dr don't read the forums if you don't like them, or avoid threads with title you don't like, or join another community, there are A F*ING LOT, or start your own
or do you sereiosly think this is your personal forum?!
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HoboHunter1001
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Posted - 2010.04.11 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: HoboHunter1001 on 11/04/2010 16:53:00
Originally by: Ka choop If you have a point, it's now lost because you couldn't make it valid without referring to another game. Arguments should stand on themselves.
I really don't think you know wtf you're talking about.
Originally by: Ka choop
People *****ing and whining about their game actually means they care about their game. When threads about buffs and nerfs stop appearing on the forums, that's the time you have to worry because that's when there aren't any people left who care about the game and you might as well call it dead.
People ***** because they care, yes, care that their getting their asses handed to them and it obviously couldn't be their fault.
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Jaedar Metron
Void Angels Primary.
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Posted - 2010.04.11 17:21:00 -
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While I agree there's much whining in the forum about stuff that really doesnt need balancing, some of the threads are very valid, like Dramiels...
If CCP never balanced anything, we'd still fit ECM and NOS on every ship we fly into pvp, and it's good that the community makes CCP aware of the stuff that's unbalanced. Remember, CCP still weighs the complaints, they don't mindlessly nerf and boost things according to the whims of the community.
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HoboHunter1001
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Posted - 2010.04.11 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jaedar Metron While I agree there's much whining in the forum about stuff that really doesnt need balancing, some of the threads are very valid, like Dramiels...
If CCP never balanced anything, we'd still fit ECM and NOS on every ship we fly into pvp, and it's good that the community makes CCP aware of the stuff that's unbalanced. Remember, CCP still weighs the complaints, they don't mindlessly nerf and boost things according to the whims of the community.
Haha well that separates them from every other MMO god I've ever had to grovel at the feet of.
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