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Mister LEM0NS
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.06 16:56:00 -
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Theyre getting out of hand. I have a few ideas to limit them.
-The 'I have this much ISK and ill send you double what you send me' scam.
Most of these guys are less than a day old characters so why can day old characters cake contracts? What could they possibly have thats worth contracting if they realy ARE a day old character starting off in eve.
- The long famed Mistaken identity scam where the description says one thing but the contact itself tells a different story.
Just as the CCP did with the ISK farmers selling ISK with the 'report ISK spammer', why not do the same with EVERYONE with an open contract? Have the same right click tab open up and say 'report Scammer'. If enough people do this , say about 50 to 100 report the person, he can no longer create his own description for his own contracts
As we can all agree, so much as PASSING through jita has been made into a one way ticket to literaly filling your local chat window to the brim with almost pure scams. Who knows, if CCP takes both of these ideas into effect, maby the jita population will fall, Inevitably leading to a safer trip through the system
Obviously there will be flaws with these means od reducing scams, but its nothing the right ammount of minds working together to fix them can handle
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Yarinor
Yarinors Trust Fund
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Posted - 2010.04.06 16:58:00 -
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You know that you're allowed to scam in this game right?
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Tobias Xiaosen
Gallente
TX Holdings Company
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Posted - 2010.04.06 16:58:00 -
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I too like cake contracts
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.04.06 16:59:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: Mister LEM0NS
Theyre getting out of hand. I have a few ideas to limit them.
-The 'I have this much ISK and ill send you double what you send me' scam.
Most of these guys are less than a day old characters so why can day old characters cake contracts? What could they possibly have thats worth contracting if they realy ARE a day old character starting off in eve.
- The long famed Mistaken identity scam where the description says one thing but the contact itself tells a different story.
Just as the CCP did with the ISK farmers selling ISK with the 'report ISK spammer', why not do the same with EVERYONE with an open contract? Have the same right click tab open up and say 'report Scammer'. If enough people do this , say about 50 to 100 report the person, he can no longer create his own description for his own contracts
As we can all agree, so much as PASSING through jita has been made into a one way ticket to literaly filling your local chat window to the brim with almost pure scams. Who knows, if CCP takes both of these ideas into effect, maby the jita population will fall, Inevitably leading to a safer trip through the system
Obviously there will be flaws with these means od reducing scams, but its nothing the right ammount of minds working together to fix them can handle
i remember seeing you post this in jita local not ten minutes ago
i still want to (ingame) punch your funny looking face for it tbh 
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Armoured C
Gallente
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2010.04.06 17:00:00 -
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if you send me isk i will double your post count
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.04.06 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kitimortoa on 06/04/2010 17:02:27
Originally by: Mister LEM0NS
Theyre getting out of hand. I have a few ideas to limit them.
-The 'I have this much ISK and ill send you double what you send me' scam.
Most of these guys are less than a day old characters so why can day old characters cake contracts? What could they possibly have thats worth contracting if they realy ARE a day old character starting off in eve.
- The long famed Mistaken identity scam where the description says one thing but the contact itself tells a different story.
Just as the CCP did with the ISK farmers selling ISK with the 'report ISK spammer', why not do the same with EVERYONE with an open contract? Have the same right click tab open up and say 'report Scammer'. If enough people do this , say about 50 to 100 report the person, he can no longer create his own description for his own contracts
As we can all agree, so much as PASSING through jita has been made into a one way ticket to literaly filling your local chat window to the brim with almost pure scams. Who knows, if CCP takes both of these ideas into effect, maby the jita population will fall, Inevitably leading to a safer trip through the system
Obviously there will be flaws with these means od reducing scams, but its nothing the right ammount of minds working together to fix them can handle
If you falsely report people as isk spammers you risk getting banned yourself since the report thing can result in people getting banned that aren't isk spammers.
Please, use it often, I'd love to see the results.
You do realize scamming is allowed in this game right?
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Mister LEM0NS
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.06 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Mister LEM0NS on 06/04/2010 17:11:34
nullnullOnce again, i have said that there will be flaws. Whether it is something that will take into effect is up to the players. But we risk the whole banning yourself thing just reporting isk farmers. And the result of a false report wouldnt be that drastic anyway. It would have to be something JUST bad enough to make it not even worth it to falsely accuse someone such as a kickoff peroid (maby banned for 24 hours) if not enough people also report the person in a predetermined ammout of time. Once again though, it is a concept. And these are 2 concepts. What could be wrong with the first one anyway?
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Derelicht
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Posted - 2010.04.06 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mister LEM0NS
-The 'I have this much ISK and ill send you double what you send me' scam.
I wondered if it would be possible to "report as isk seller" or whatever the phrasing is.
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Sherringford Hovis
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Posted - 2010.04.06 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Yarinor
You know that you're allowed to scam in this game right?
This.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.04.06 17:15:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Mister LEM0NS
Edited by: Mister LEM0NS on 06/04/2010 17:11:34
nullnullOnce again, i have said that there will be flaws.
Flaws? Yeah, there's one big flaw: SCAMMING IS ALLOWED IN THIS GAME. If people weren't supposed to be able to scam, they would simply forbid it.
Your ideas are a means of enforcing a rule that does not exist in the first place.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.06 17:25:00 -
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for 50 million isk I will war dec all the scammers and make them pay.
2 million for the ward and then need the 48 mill for lots and lots of ships to blow them up in.
This is a legit offer.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.06 17:27:00 -
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scamming is fine, but is what happens in Jita really scamming?
'cause it looks more like they've got a macro setup that just spams local 24/7 with fake contracts and the infamous double-your-isk. 
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Makin' Bacon
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Posted - 2010.04.06 17:28:00 -
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If you send me all of your cake contracts, I will return you 2x as many pies.
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Mister LEM0NS
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.06 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
scamming is fine, but is what happens in Jita really scamming?
'cause it looks more like they've got a macro setup that just spams local 24/7 with fake contracts and the infamous double-your-isk.
Exactly! thats another thing, only post a contract once every minute or so? Even that would make it a tad easier to withstand the barrage of bull in the jita local.
Finder of the Ibis navy issue. |
Leaving Eve
Boo Hoo Federation
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Posted - 2010.04.06 17:49:00 -
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I usually get gagged if I try and pull the old "send me isk" trick in Jita.
I don't know why the others don't, but I smell a rat.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.06 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 06/04/2010 18:04:20
Originally by: Mister LEM0NS
Theyre getting out of hand.
How so?
Quote:
I have a few ideas to limit them.
Why is that needed?
Quote:
Just as the CCP did with the ISK farmers selling ISK with the 'report ISK spammer', why not do the same with EVERYONE with an open contract? Have the same right click tab open up and say 'report Scammer'.
What would you report them for? He's not done anything wrong.
Quote:
As we can all agree, so much as PASSING through jita has been made into a one way ticket to literaly filling your local chat window to the brim with almost pure scams.
So?
Originally by: Derelicht
Originally by: Mister LEM0NS
-The 'I have this much ISK and ill send you double what you send me' scam.
I wondered if it would be possible to "report as isk seller" or whatever the phrasing is.
You could, but that would make the GM:s do nasty things to your account since you'd be harassing other players.
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Chaster Mareel
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Posted - 2010.04.06 18:07:00 -
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^^ This
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Industrial Exploits
Massive Intergalactic Love Klub
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Posted - 2010.04.06 18:33:00 -
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Scams?... In Jita??? NARRRR!!! Really??? LMFAO!!! 
Only a complete fool, would fall for one of those! 
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.04.06 18:39:00 -
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i like many others don't mind the fact that there are scams but damn. the amount of scamming is kinda out of hand. its like everytime the people IRL go to sleep the set up there macro for local.
anyways. your ideas wont work. but scamming is allowed.
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Presbyter
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Posted - 2010.04.06 19:00:00 -
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I agree that scamming is permitted as a game mechanic, but what's occurring in Jita is a nuisance. I can't remember the last time I even bother to look at local in Jita - hell, they scroll so fast it's not like I could read it anyway.
The whole chat/local system needs to be overhauled anyway - and I see this as a limitation of that system more than anything else.
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Radix Salvilines
The Gummy Bears
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Posted - 2010.04.06 19:01:00 -
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scammers are actually a good thing - theyre a part of the eve's self defense mechanism against dumbies and jerks... :P
long live scammers!!
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.06 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey
Originally by: Mister LEM0NS
Edited by: Mister LEM0NS on 06/04/2010 17:11:34
nullnullOnce again, i have said that there will be flaws.
Flaws? Yeah, there's one big flaw: SCAMMING IS ALLOWED IN THIS GAME. If people weren't supposed to be able to scam, they would simply forbid it.
Your ideas are a means of enforcing a rule that does not exist in the first place.
Lol, yeh though I'm pretty sure macro mining is "Forbidden" and where has that got us? Ice belts are pretty much nearly all macro miners most mining systems have them 23/7 and they're still there months later. Perhaps they should do something more than "Forbid"
All in all, allowing scamming is a little gay. It seems its easier to allow it then to police it. Obviously there has to be a little chlorine in the gene pool to filter out the idiots who fall for the scams. Though I really think there should be some limit on the amount of contracts you can spam into local.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.04.06 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 06/04/2010 19:15:54
Why does anyone care about Jita local and scamming? No need to use local is there? I go there to trade, not chat, and there's a little button called 'minimizee' to close the window. If I'm bored I might even read them for entertainment value but no one is forcing me to. Anyway scamming is a core feature of EVE, always has been. Knowing that makes them very easy to avoid and they do not affect me in the slightest, unlike macro miners which do.
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Aka5ha
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.06 19:15:00 -
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I bought sisters combat scanner and full probe set 3 times before I realized there sold on the npc market.
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MickeyKnox
Elysium Trading Company
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.06 19:17:00 -
[25]
9/10
For trolling some well-known faces, but not me.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.04.06 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Aka5ha
I bought sisters combat scanner and full probe set 3 times before I realized there sold on the npc market.
Why is that a scam?
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eliminator2
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.06 19:53:00 -
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lol luv the report sca idea to stop people from namin there contracts
/me makes 50 alts and does it to the whole of eve :D |
DaveW
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.06 20:33:00 -
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"I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today "
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"If you can't stand the heat..., stay out of the Kitchen." |
Blake Fullerton
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Posted - 2010.04.06 21:19:00 -
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Minimize local when in Jita? Solved.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2010.04.06 22:10:00 -
[30]
Originally by: DaveW
"I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today "
win
+1 internets
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masternerdguy
Gallente
Caldari Naval Reserve
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Posted - 2010.04.06 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zartrader
Originally by: Aka5ha
I bought sisters combat scanner and full probe set 3 times before I realized there sold on the npc market.
Why is that a scam?
you cant fix stupid
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Arvano
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Posted - 2010.04.06 22:20:00 -
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But scamming is legal...
Besides, I've never fallen for one, even when I first started playing a few months back and was more noobier than I still am, never fell for one.
They're all so obvious. I remember tons of people telling me about elaborate contract scams, cutthroats who want to take your money, etc.
Do you know what those elaborate contract scams turned out to be?
Contract Description: 2x PLEX 410m ISK!!!!!
Small Print: 1x PLEX 410,000,000 ISK
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Mr SmartGuy
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Posted - 2010.04.07 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Blake Fullerton
Minimize local when in Jita? Solved.
This.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.07 16:12:00 -
[34]
Can I haz a "report stupid OP" button instead... one where if clicked enough the thread will auto delete and ban the OP from posting?
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Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.07 16:26:00 -
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here we go again. did you check eve-search.com? Someone already posted this, I would post the link to it, but I'm not going through 200 pages of it just to prove the pointless point.
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2010.04.07 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy
Originally by: Zartrader
Originally by: Aka5ha
I bought sisters combat scanner and full probe set 3 times before I realized there sold on the npc market.
Why is that a scam?
you cant fix stupid
<looks at poster>
Don't we all know...
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VanNostrum
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:21:00 -
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Dear Sir/ Madam
SAVE OUR SOUL
With deep sense of frustration and desperation I have decided to reach
out to the world for help and that is what this letter is all about. I am
VanNostrum the third son of Late General Sani Abarra, Caldari former Head of
State and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, has been captive since
8th June, 2006.
Owing to allegations of financial misappropriations levelled against my
father, the immediate past Military Government of Gen. Haakla
Pandaaru freeze all traceable local and foreign bank accounts in the
family's name and also seized our vast estates together with other fixed
assets of my family. My mother is still under house arrest since June last
year and my elder brother Jima is currently in detention being
prosecuted by the incumbent democratic government charged with
series of allegations.
I consider you reputable and trustworthy enough to assist me in
receiving the sum of 27b ISK (Twenty Seven Billion Interstellar Kredits) in cash in Kourmone which was not detected by the security
operatives, that was stashed by my father in one of our private luxury pads. It
has become obvious that if immediate action is not taken our family will
be ruined forever by this hideous administration. I have equally agreed
in principle to offer you 25% of the fund for your services. The
evacuation of the fund is not a problem, I desperately require your
candid assistance to act as the Trustee of the fund in your personal or
corporate name with a valid bank account in Jita or Amarr.
Should you be interested send 192m ISK to this account for my father's bailout and contact me immediately.
Regards,
VanNostrum
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RaTTuS
BIG
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:24:00 -
[38]
why can I not right click block on the forums
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MaxxOmega
Caldari
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.04.08 13:05:00 -
[39]
Edited by: MaxxOmega on 08/04/2010 13:12:04
Originally by: Leaving Eve
I usually get gagged if I try and pull the old "send me isk" trick in Jita.
I don't know why the others don't, but I smell a rat.
Sorry that's er not a rat. Heh heh..
Originally by: Zex Maxwell
I'm not going through 200 pages of it just to prove the pointless point.
How about 199 pages?
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Naitrayera
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Posted - 2010.04.08 13:38:00 -
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Dear mr.Lemons
Please stop posting ever again.
Ive come across few of your posts when reading forums in past few months,
and they all are whining uber-c.r.a.p
I mean there are people who whine about this and about, and sometimes propose their own solutions.
But your whining and solutions are just plain stupid.
Idk if i remmember correctly but i think you are the guy who proposed for eve to reward players who are more hours a day online..etc (dont remmember correctly if you are that guy :P
you whined that eve is too expensive to pay..
you whined about this and about that
And now you whine about scammers.
When i click to open a post about scamming i expect to find a funny story how some guy lost all his isk and not your non-intelligent stuff...
So...scammers are part of eve, and i like it although i am not a scammer myself.
Eve is not too expensive.
And for all your other posts also NO.
My advice to you is:
Find a life, go take a stroll (its nice sunny outside, spring finnaly came :D )
and go play wow if you like, eve will NEVER became wow or some c.r.a.p like that,
and make your peace with it.
GTFO and stop posting.
And also..contact me if you want to buy ravven navy for only 300M.
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Jack Paladin
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.04.08 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Blake Fullerton
Minimize local when in Jita? Solved.
This.
Nobody is forcing anyone to stare at Jita local and watch the text wall of scams.
Know what you want to buy, know how much it costs and for goodness sake know how many 0's are in a million!
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.08 13:42:00 -
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BEANS, MAGIC BEANS, 500M PER PIECE, MAGIC BEANS
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Rellik B00n
Minmatar
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2010.04.08 13:46:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Mister LEM0NS
cake
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LDSkill+hireLDS |
Arimus Darkhart
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.04.08 13:49:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Mister LEM0NS
As we can all agree, so much as PASSING through jita has been made into a one way ticket to literaly filling your local chat window to the brim with almost pure scams.
Do what I do with my Jita alt- just add scammers to your block list... or even better than cracking down on scamming (which as pointed out is allowed) educate the great unwashed into not falling for scams. When scams become non-profit making they'll stop spamming local.
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Arcane Azmadi
Caldari
First Flying Wing Inc
Primary.
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Posted - 2010.04.08 14:00:00 -
[45]
What gets up my nose is people who think "scamming is allowed in EVE" is a reasonable argument in defence of the kind of crap the OP is on about. Yes, scamming is allowed in EVE, which is SUPPOSED to mean that if you're clever enough to trick someone out of their money, you're allowed to keep it. It defends the actions of the Guiding Hands Social Club and other organizations of their ilk which couldn't exist in any other game. It really shouldn't be interpreted as a license to spam annoying and pointless bullcrap that only the dumbest or most naive player would fall for- that's not scamming, it's spamming. This is EVE Online, the smartest and most hardcore MMORPG ever made, which sneers at WoW and other weak-ass wannabes, not bloody 4chan!
And even considering the dumb and naive that fall for these scams- so what? You think these scammers are doing you some kind of service by "weeding these players out"? Like hell. And naive players, who are naive because they just started the game, what are they getting from this? You could say they're learning an important lesson about not falling for stupid bullcrap- but what are they actually learning here? What do you learn from slamming your hand in a car door? You learn not to slam your hand in a car door. That's not the same as learning to drive.
And it IS annoying. When I'm perusing the battleship contracts, for example, I can't help but notice that up to a solid THIRD of them are scams, and utterly stupid scams too. Honestly, WTB State Issue Raven for 500 isk? Do these morons even know how rare a State Issue Raven is? And do they really think the precious few who DO manage to get their hands on one would be stupid enough to casually sell it off with a few clicks of the mouse without even giving the contract more than the most cursory of glances? It is, plainly and simply, nothing more than a complete waste of space and makes wading through the contracts pages akin to scrabbling in a toilet for a coin. Anyone who tries to defend such pure and undiluted IDIOCY is doing nothing more than trying to make themselves feel hardcore by insisting they're playing a game where "look, you can scam people freely! AWESOME!" Grow up.
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Diana Ross
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Posted - 2010.04.08 14:17:00 -
[46]
The problem is not the scam-contract, the problem is that makro/spambot setup which advertises the contract in local every minute. With an average of 750 players in jita and the "advertising maschine" running 23/7 chances are high someone will fall for it.
Without the makro you would not even have that ammount of scam contracts cause nobody would sit in jita hitting ctrl+v every minute in order to get attention for his contract.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.04.08 17:29:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Arimus Darkhart
Originally by: Mister LEM0NS
As we can all agree, so much as PASSING through jita has been made into a one way ticket to literaly filling your local chat window to the brim with almost pure scams.
Do what I do with my Jita alt- just add scammers to your block list... or even better than cracking down on scamming (which as pointed out is allowed) educate the great unwashed into not falling for scams. When scams become non-profit making they'll stop spamming local.
Stop it, you're making sense. That's not allowed here. Get to whining or GTFO.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.08 18:13:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Tippia on 08/04/2010 18:13:40
Originally by: Arcane Azmadi
And it IS annoying. When I'm perusing the battleship contracts, for example, I can't help but notice that up to a solid THIRD of them are scams, and utterly stupid scams too.
And this just raises the question: why are you looking at these contracts in a way that even makes the scam contracts show up? They're trivially easy to filter out and even to make such a filter standard. There is quite literally no reason to ever see a scam contract other than by active choice.
So no, they're not particularly annoying unless you choose to make it so.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Arimus Darkhart
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.04.08 20:36:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Tippia
So no, they're not particularly annoying unless you choose to make it so.
Look, I've been told off for making sense only a few posts ago and now you wander in here without a care in the world and talk even more sense.
This behaviour from both of us is inexcusable as we're not:
whining, moaning, threatening to quit, asking if we can have the stuff of someone threatening to quit, beating ccp up over <player actions, spam, scams, crashes, gm reimb policies>.
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