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Metolz
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:12:00 -
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I've played this game on and off since 2007 on my other character, and I always assumed the natural progression for caldari ship mission runners was drake then raven then CNR/golem. I pretty much just play this character now and missions is what I am doing for the time being.
Reading a few topics recently I have seen people advising not to bother training for a raven and cruise missiles and to just hold out in the drake until you can get in a tengu. Is this really the case? Is a raven not an adequate upgrade, or is this simply a matter of the extra time a raven takes means its time not spent going towards tengu which is apparently more fun?
I currently have about 9mil SP, good fitting skills and 1.5mil in missiles. I'd really like to fly a nighthawk or a tengu but the thought of BC5 and cruiser 5 concurrently is very daunting. Is it really not worth me getting in a raven, would I not earn isk faster anytime soon? The battleships are of course cheaper too, it'll take a while to earn enough in a drake.
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Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:21:00 -
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In short, yes. Tengu is best bet. And for BS - to fly them as it should, all relevant skills (support, misiles, active shield), you will want them in LVL5. Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
Dersk
90040045
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:01:00 -
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Part of the decision rests on the way you're completing missions. If you're killing everything for purposes of bounty or salvage, the difference between a tengu and a raven isn't uniform... there are advantages to each. If you're "blitzing" missions... just going for loyalty points while ignoring bounty, the tengu has a clear advantage due to travel speed. Most good blitzing missions are affected by speed moreso than the DPS of the popluar ratting ships (recon, special delivery, dread pirate scarlet, etc). The raven just doesn't work well for that kind of missioning.
Another factor that would influence the decision relates to future plans. Training the appropriate skills for a raven makes a lot more sense if you will eventually be flying caldari capital ships. The caldari cruiser V skill is needed to get popular caldari t2 supcaps like the falcon and onyx. If you have any interest in PvP, this might make the decision easier.
If you feel like answering "don't know/don't care" to differences like those, the tengu would be the default choice just because it and its related skill have many more effective application. |
Boomhaur
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Posted - 2012.07.06 22:31:00 -
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CNR and Tengu is about on par in killing speed if against kinetic weak rats to my knowledge. I can tell you the Nighthawk/Tengu are on par I know because I use to fly a Nighthawk and switch to Tengu. The NH though takes a lot longer to train and is not worth it in comparison to the Tengu training wise.
Where the Tengu shines is in it's versitility in both the SP you train and ship. That is where it's true strength is. It's hard to consider training one a waste as the ship itself does so much and the caldari cruiser V opens up a lot of options as well. Not to mention the SP you invested while flying the Caracal/Drake will go right into the Tengu.
In comparison to t he Raven/CNR which they are mainly good for lv4's and thats about it. They have the bounus of being able to select dmg type and deal full dmg unlike the Tengu in which the only bounused on you get is to kinetic.
My vote goes for the Tengu if you plan to train one, as it's easy to train up and even in hi sec you can refit it to be a cloaky T3 to haul valuables if you need to or whatever else take you need it to do. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
Paikis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.07.06 22:59:00 -
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Drake -> Raven -> CNR still works just fine. Having said that, I do own a Tengu as well.
The Tengu and the CNR are about on par for damage as long as you're attacking Kinetic weak rats. This is important, because as soon as you're trying to kill something else (Sanshas perhaps) the damage on a Tengu tanks big time, whereas the Raven will just fit EM missiles and keep on rolling. The Tengu also has trouble with webbers. It is a cruiser after all and it tanks missions by moving fast enough that it doesn't really take much damage. The second you get webbed, you can expect your Tengu to melt faster than a snow man in a hell. The Raven also doesn't have this issue, because it's a battleship and actually has a tank.
Tengu shines when you're missioning against Guristas or Serpentis, or on missions with a lot of travel involved (100kms to the next gate or 5 jumps away). For anything else, you're better off in a Raven. |
Metolz
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.06 23:14:00 -
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So for both training time and practicality the tengu still seems to be the best option. I am however quite afraid of losing it- the loss of SP and a billion isk potentially would be quite catastrophic. I would try to fly it intelligently obviously, but if webbers are as much of a problem as mentioned, and i've also heard it can at times be a target for suicide ganking, these points would pose a problem for me (psychologically).
I like manouverability- the slow speed of a raven would bother me. But I would have absolutely no fear of losing a raven or even CNR because i've experience with battleships and also they cost a lot less than a tengu. Nighthawk in this scenario would seem ideal (not as big a loss as a tengu) but it's a lot more training which is a problem for me.
I'm still not too sure how to proceed |
Bree Okanata
Romex Inc. Dustm3n
45
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Posted - 2012.07.07 00:28:00 -
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I skipped the Raven and went to a Scorpion Navy Issue first. Slightly less damage, much better tank while I got the bearings I wanted before moving on. It was fine until I got bored quickly of Cruise Missiles. Sure they are pretty, but the whole 'taking 18+ seconds to hit the bad guy' thing is too underwhelming for me. That being said, if you are wanting to go into Caldari Battleships and you have the ISK to spend, a SNI is wonderful at the beginning. |
Metolz
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.07 09:12:00 -
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I can't afford a navy battleship immediately though maybe I could after a couple weeks.
I just don't want to be stuck with mediocrity for a prolonged period and it sounds a bit like that's what it would be like for me to start flying a raven without maxed skills. I think the best thing for me to do now is start maxing my general missile skills and maybe better drake fittings, with a view to a tengu while i train and earn for it. Though i'd still be scared of losing it. |
Constable Chang
8
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Posted - 2012.07.07 09:31:00 -
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Depending where your missioning, I think the SNI is a good all round mission ship. I say 'depending where' because theres one thing that caught my attention about the SNI; its got lots of mids.
That means if you can go around a bunch of agents and pick up several missions at once you can do them all without going back to station and changing hardeners. SNI has a solid ability to fit an omnitank plus afterburner plus target painters. And you don't have to spend tons of money to fit it like that.
However if you are doing lots of missions for just a few agents and queue them up so you are facing the same damage types when you undock, the CNR is better as its damage output is higher. You just can't fit such a variety of hardeners and utilities on a CNR as you can on a SNI.
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serras bang
Lucien Coven
6
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Posted - 2012.07.07 10:13:00 -
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i can say top end tengu is around 100 - 200 less overall dps than a cnr. and will end up being more with anything past kinetic missles.
however a proper built tengu dosent have as much limitactions it can have a smaller explosive radius and dont listen to people about speed tank tengu i got a small sb on mines and it takes all missions. |
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Metolz
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.07 11:01:00 -
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serras I don't think anybody implied that a tengu would ever be speed tanked exclusively without a booster but the speed helps in tanking. I would have thought that was obvious.
Also talking about navy scorpions etc really isn't helping my predicament. It's irrelevant to what I asked. |
zatazon
Z's Corp
22
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Posted - 2012.07.07 15:17:00 -
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I have owned and missioned with the raven, CNR, SNI, rattlesnake and Tengu. Of them they all have different advantages and disadvantages.
Raven and CNR with lvl5 skills are amazing ships with great range and DPS, ok so the time thing is a factor due to cruise missiles being a little slow and the ships are not quick.
SNI and rattlesnake are tanks. with all of their mid slots the SNI can have an omnitank that can easily handle any l4 with a couple extra mids for whatever you want. downside, you lose some DPS. The rattlesnake is the ultimate afk ship, the tank it can fit is stupid and still be cap stable. the down side there it really needs drones and T2 at that.
Tengu, relies a lot on speed tanking you need a small shield booster still but you wont turn that on very often. vs keinetix weak it competes with CNR on DPS. It will pop frigs, dessies and cruisers faster but take a couple more volleys on BS. downside vs anything not kinetic weak, not so great of a ship. If you get webbed and cant/dont kill the webbers you are in a lot of trouble.
Also you said you cant afford a Navy ship yet which since a well fit tengu and rattlesnake will exceed 1 billion isk are prob too much. I think I remember a fit CNR/SNI is like 4-500 mil not positive though.
I would recommend you figure out what ship you want to fly, then start training for it. in the mean time stay in a Drake, it will only get better with more SP. Then you can continue make isk and improving until you are ready to fly one of these ships. |
Metolz
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.07 16:19:00 -
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Well my drake is faction fitted and if I were to sell all that I could probably afford a CNR + t2 fit tbh if that was really best. I have no interest in a rattlesnake tbh I am interested in isk/hr more than anything.
Though I can't afford a tengu, I'd be able to afford one by the time I trained cruiser 5 so cost isn't so much of an issue.
It is hard to know for sure what ship I want to fly without ever having flown them. It will be a shame to have something less manouverable than a drake but if it meant the best money making potential overall then i'd go for it. Unfortunately people seem highly biased either for tengu against cnr or for cnr against tengu. It's difficult to gauge who I am more likely to agree with in the future. Impartiality and objectivity seems elusive. |
Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.07.07 17:22:00 -
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You should check out the test server, everything there is just 100 isk. Also if you join one of the mass tests you get free SP. You can test out ships cheaply and help ccp make the game better in the process, its a win-win.
As to the choice, I went Drake > Raven and wish I had gone for the Tengu instead. The slow, lumbering performance of the Raven just annoyed the hell out of me. Sure the Tengu isn't perfect for every situation, and the Raven class ships can match or even surpass it for some, but the speed and agility of the Tengu combined with decent damage makes it a more fun and interesting ship to fly imho. |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.07.07 19:37:00 -
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Training for a raven is not wasted. It certainly works much better for lvl4 missions. As mentioned above, tengu shines against kinetic npc, and a raven will perform uniformely across all. My personal choice is to use a NM and Tengu depending on who I am fighting and thats because I hate managing drones.... the NM can pop most of the frigs before they get close enough so on a rare occasion I need to use drones and the tengu with a rigor good skills and implants can easily deal with frigs with standard scourge.
Missile enhancers.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1235061& |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
163
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Posted - 2012.07.07 22:48:00 -
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In general
Drake - Pros amazing pasive even mixed with active invuls tank, chap, high survavibility on lvl 3-4 missions even better than raven. Cons lack of dps regarding to tengu or raven, but high survavibility on lvl 3-4 missions even better than raven.
Raven - Pros good even very good damage vs npc, cons weak active tank until player got decent -good skills in enginering - capacitor skills, and active tank shield, hard to mastery, slow.
Tengu - Pros, very high dps around 680 with t2 missiles maxed skills, very good tank, speed, low signature. Cons price, no drone bay, in some cases while using this ship player need to use expensive t2 missile like precision to kill fast frigates, or furry missile to got full potential form this ship, so using always ammo t2 on tengu while solo mission runing may be painful because missiles are expensiv and this got bad impact on total profit, while raven deal tons of damage even with t1 missile. Teemo for president. |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
256
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Posted - 2012.07.07 23:47:00 -
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Lots of good points in this thread and tbh I agree with all of them. One thing hasn't been mentioned yet and that is personal play style.
I own both a CNR and a Tengu, but very rarely use the Tengu - it's just not for me. That makes my Tengu an expensive hangar queen.
As far as how to proceed, considering you have "lowish SP" my advice would be this: Go Raven/CNR, then Tengu.
The reasoning is this:
a) A Raven is relatively easy to get into skill-wise. b) A Raven is relatively cheap. c) A Raven has a solid tank.
Thus a Raven gives you a cheapish yet solid foundation to start your L4 missioning career. So while you're continuing your training towards the Tengu you have a solid income stream. Then, when you finally get into one, you will know all the different missions pretty well. You will know the triggers, how much incoming dps to expect and most importantly which frigs tend to web/scram you. This is nice need to know because tanking works differently in the Tengu than the Raven.
With the Raven/CNR as your solid income stream you can then more easily buy a Tengu. You can try it and see for yourself its strengths and weaknesses and if you like it you keep it and if you don't you sell it.
Finally, should you ever get suicided in your Tengu (happened to me) it won't be as much of a burden (especially "psychologically" as you said). Hop back into your BS, run a few L4s, buy a new one, move on.
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Just to make this clear: this advice has nothing to do with whether either CNR or Tengu is "better." It's simply a suggestion for low-SP players on how to proceed. |
Metolz
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.08 00:28:00 -
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Cheers, pretty much gonna do that. I don't know what I will like best until i try everything I suppose. Already making decent money doing 4's in the drake, will be interesting to see how much that increases in the raven (hopefully will to some degree).
Thanks everyone (some more than others). |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.07.08 10:53:00 -
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Closest to the Drake will be Tengu, and a good missioning ship it is. Besides that, with other fits you can use it for almost everything in EVE. |
Mike Whiite
Keystone Industrial
58
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Posted - 2012.07.09 07:18:00 -
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You answered your own question already.
If you don't have money for a Faction BS, you certainly don't have money for a Tengu.
It's nice you have faction modules that fit on the the Tengu but the tengu including subsystems is more expensive than a Fitted SNI.
also if you haven't trained Caldari Cruiser V yet, you;ll be running LvL4 way faster in a BS than a Tengu.
an other option, depending on you Battlecruiser skills could be a Nighthawk.
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Betrinna Cantis
20
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Posted - 2012.07.09 21:09:00 -
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Metolz wrote:I can't afford a navy battleship immediately though maybe I could after a couple weeks.
I just don't want to be stuck with mediocrity for a prolonged period and it sounds a bit like that's what it would be like for me to start flying a raven without maxed skills. I think the best thing for me to do now is start maxing my general missile skills and maybe better drake fittings, with a view to a tengu while i train and earn for it. Though i'd still be scared of losing it. My suggestion would be to get as good as you can be in a Drake before moving on. The Drake is fully capable of doing level 4 missions with not uber missiles skills. It's all about the tank. So are battleships. Something to think about....... Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
184
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Posted - 2012.07.09 22:24:00 -
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Went from drake Somewhat OKish skills into a rattler, trained it up to 2200 omnitank 500~ DPS with another 6 months left for perfect skills, but when im done, Caldari and Gallante everything opens up, from dreads to T2 cruisers of every sort.
Perfect Drone and Shield skills go a very long way if you have the patience. |
Jaffster
xoxox hugz n kissez xoxox
3
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Posted - 2012.07.10 09:44:00 -
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Nobody has mentioned the Golem.
I fly a Tengu and Golem, both are docked in my mission station.
I use the Tengu for 1 or 2 of the missions, missions that aren't so much about killing but more about travelling a ridiculous amount of distance to the gates.
The Golem does twice the damage, I kill Battleships in 2-3 volleys, Battlecruisers in 1-2, Frigates/destroyers are dealt with by my drones but with 2 target painters I can usually kill these in 1-2 volleys also.
Javelin Torpedoes mean I can hit out to 57km with Level 5 skills in velocity/flight time modifiers, if needed.
The tank is ok, but the good DPS means that you rarely have to rely on it. |
Th3 Ladyship
Red Shift Enterprises
28
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:08:00 -
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Anyone considered suggesting a Rokh? Red Shift Enterprises is living in Low-Sec. Come join us?
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Mavnas
The Scope Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.07.10 19:35:00 -
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Metolz wrote:So for both training time and practicality the tengu still seems to be the best option. I am however quite afraid of losing it- the loss of SP and a billion isk potentially would be quite catastrophic. I would try to fly it intelligently obviously, but if webbers are as much of a problem as mentioned, and i've also heard it can at times be a target for suicide ganking, these points would pose a problem for me (psychologically). I like manouverability- the slow speed of a raven would bother me. But I would have absolutely no fear of losing a raven or even CNR because i've experience with battleships and also they cost a lot less than a tengu. Nighthawk in this scenario would seem ideal (not as big a loss as a tengu) but it's a lot more training which is a problem for me. I'm still not too sure how to proceed
I took the NH route. It really is a poor man's Tengu with the option to be passively fit instead of active for more buffer. (It's really the straight upgrade over the drake, all the others require some differences in playstyle)
The Raven is good for one thing only. Practicing flying that type of ship until you get your CNR. It's not enough of a bump over the Drake, and you have to train a bunch of weapon skills. Never underestimate the value of a speed tank. my NH has the sig radius of a BS and is slower than a Tengu, but it takes a lot less damage than my Rattlesnake simply by moving. |
Mavnas
The Scope Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.07.10 19:43:00 -
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Mike Whiite wrote:You answered your own question already.
If you don't have money for a Faction BS, you certainly don't have money for a Tengu.
It's nice you have faction modules that fit on the the Tengu but the tengu including subsystems is more expensive than a Fitted SNI.
also if you haven't trained Caldari Cruiser V yet, you;ll be running LvL4 way faster in a BS than a Tengu.
an other option, depending on you Battlecruiser skills could be a Nighthawk.
If low SP is the problem the Raven's going to be worse than a Drake. The tank is more skill intensive, applying your DPS to small targets is harder, you actually need your drones to not suck, etc. |
Mike Whiite
Keystone Industrial
58
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Posted - 2012.07.11 08:05:00 -
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If you're running lvl 4 missions in a you're shield skills can't be non excisting, not do I expect the Drone skill to be to low to handle 5 T2 drones.
I am asuming ofcourse although low skilled he has enough skills in the Drake to actually be moving forward to the Raven. |
Paikis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.07.12 07:10:00 -
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Mavnas wrote:If low SP is the problem the Raven's going to be worse than a Drake. The tank is more skill intensive, applying your DPS to small targets is harder, you actually need your drones to not suck, etc.
I was flying level 4 missions in a raven with something like 5mil SP when I started. Just have to make sure you're alligned and be johny-on-the-spot with the triggers.
I now run missions for Caldari in Amarr space and I use a CNR, a Nightmare and a Tengu, depending on the mission. There is no 'best' because they're all good at different things. |
Kharn Drago
Royal Fleet Auxiliary Entropy Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:29:00 -
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Noob Question: Whats CNR?
I'm flying lvl 4 missions in my drake with t1 launchers and bad skills and I still earn much money (in comparison to lvl 3's). |
CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
33
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:44:00 -
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Kharn Drago wrote:Noob Question: Whats CNR? I'm flying lvl 4 missions in my drake with t1 launchers and bad skills and I still earn much money (in comparison to lvl 3's).
Caldari Navy Raven. |
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Paikis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:55:00 -
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Kharn Drago wrote:Noob Question: Whats CNR? I'm flying lvl 4 missions in my drake with t1 launchers and bad skills and I still earn much money (in comparison to lvl 3's).
CNR stands for Raven Navy Issue |
Cu3ball
Edge of Darkness
4
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Posted - 2012.07.14 21:42:00 -
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Short answer: every ship mentioned so far will do lvl 4's. And do them well. It really comes down to personal preference. If you like light and fast, go with a Tengu. If you like big and slow, go with a Raven/CNR/Golem/Rattlesnake. Something in the middle? Drake/Nighthawk. From missile boats, they all will do the job fine.
I have used all the above and more. Could never really get into using BS's, so I used a nighthawk for a long time. Switched to a tengu and really liked it. Now I fly both, depending on how I feel. Like someone said before, try to figure out what you want to fly next, after this ship.
Also, I use an Ishtur when I am bored, lvl 4's in an AF is a lot of fun. Not the fasted way to do them, but a lot of fun. |
Traejun DiSanctis
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:58:00 -
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Cu3ball wrote:Also, I use an Ishtur when I am bored, lvl 4's in an AF is a lot of fun. Not the fasted way to do them, but a lot of fun.
I always found it weird when people talked about doing missions with sub-optimal ships or fits "for fun". Missions are the most fun when they go fast and the isk to time ratio is favorable. |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
265
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:59:00 -
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Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Cu3ball wrote:Also, I use an Ishtur when I am bored, lvl 4's in an AF is a lot of fun. Not the fasted way to do them, but a lot of fun. I always found it weird when people talked about doing missions with sub-optimal ships or fits "for fun". Missions are the most fun when they go fast and the isk to time ratio is favorable. I sense you are on the cusp of grasping the meaning of "different strokes for different folks." Keep it up! |
Masik Dreamweaver
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.18 01:58:00 -
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now what about anoms? ive dual boxed a tengu and a raven together and the tengu outshines the raven using cruise missiles. but i guess i need to get t2 launchers on the raven |
Traejun DiSanctis
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.07.18 03:04:00 -
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Masik Dreamweaver wrote:now what about anoms? ive dual boxed a tengu and a raven together and the tengu outshines the raven using cruise missiles. but i guess i need to get t2 launchers on the raven
The stock Raven is a little lackluster. It's a stopgap ship for missile-based PvE. From there, you go CNR for slamming through missions... or you go Tengu for WH, Exploration and null ratting. |
Velarra
Ghost Festival Naraka.
89
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Posted - 2012.07.21 06:04:00 -
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Kharn Drago wrote:Noob Question: Whats CNR?
Raven Navy Issue
Yet more casually as previously stated above, Caldari Navy Raven. |
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
73
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Posted - 2012.07.21 07:00:00 -
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For a missile specced pilot its either Raven-CNR (or Golem instead) or Drake-Tengu (or Nighthawk instead) route.
If you plan to move to null in that char, however Cal Cruiser V will be infinitely more useful (and BC V too for Drake/Nighthawk) because of PVP uses (Tengu/Falcon/Onyx/Drake/Basilisk are all used in PVP), while torpedo skills will make you a decent bomber pilot only (and for missioning Raven/CNR you'll use cruise missiles instead, and not torpedos Golem uses which have zero PVP use).
Also Golem while its a top mission running ship is very skill intensive and dont unlock really worthwhile stuff IMO (and it needs BS V - even if you plan to skill for capitals, I dont think your corp or alliance mates will advise you to skill fro Caldari, as almost everyone uses armor capital doctrine AFAIK, shield caps have only niche uses). |
Teemo Is-OP
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.07.23 06:02:00 -
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Metolz wrote:I've played this game on and off since 2007 on my other character, and I always assumed the natural progression for caldari ship mission runners was drake then raven then CNR/golem. I pretty much just play this character now and missions is what I am doing for the time being.
Reading a few topics recently I have seen people advising not to bother training for a raven and cruise missiles and to just hold out in the drake until you can get in a tengu. Is this really the case? Is a raven not an adequate upgrade, or is this simply a matter of the extra time a raven takes means its time not spent going towards tengu which is apparently more fun?
I currently have about 9mil SP, good fitting skills and 1.5mil in missiles. I'd really like to fly a nighthawk or a tengu but the thought of BC5 and cruiser 5 concurrently is very daunting. Is it really not worth me getting in a raven, would I not earn isk faster anytime soon? The battleships are of course cheaper too, it'll take a while to earn enough in a drake.
gimme a break. thats LOW sp. not lowISH. if u want ppl to help tell the mwt u have and be done. quit trying to make ureself feel better mushing the line.
Low SP (you): Fly a Drake do lvl 3's.
LowISH: Fly a tengu, do lvl 4''s. Decline the "hard" ones.
Medium: Fly a CNR with T2 cruises.
High (for missioners): Fly a Mael > Vargur/Mach
How do you know when ure SP is low lowish medium etc? When you can fly those ships and well (skillwise)
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Traejun DiSanctis
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.07.23 22:10:00 -
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Teemo Is-OP wrote:Metolz wrote:I've played this game on and off since 2007 on my other character, and I always assumed the natural progression for caldari ship mission runners was drake then raven then CNR/golem. I pretty much just play this character now and missions is what I am doing for the time being.
Reading a few topics recently I have seen people advising not to bother training for a raven and cruise missiles and to just hold out in the drake until you can get in a tengu. Is this really the case? Is a raven not an adequate upgrade, or is this simply a matter of the extra time a raven takes means its time not spent going towards tengu which is apparently more fun?
I currently have about 9mil SP, good fitting skills and 1.5mil in missiles. I'd really like to fly a nighthawk or a tengu but the thought of BC5 and cruiser 5 concurrently is very daunting. Is it really not worth me getting in a raven, would I not earn isk faster anytime soon? The battleships are of course cheaper too, it'll take a while to earn enough in a drake.
gimme a break. thats LOW sp. not lowISH. if u want ppl to help tell the mwt u have and be done. quit trying to make ureself feel better mushing the line. Low SP (you): Fly a Drake do lvl 3's. LowISH: Fly a tengu, do lvl 4''s. Decline the "hard" ones. Medium: Fly a CNR with T2 cruises. High (for missioners): Fly a Mael > Vargur/Mach How do you know when ure SP is low lowish medium etc? When you can fly those ships and well (skillwise)
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Posted - 2012.07.23 22:33:00 -
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Teemo Is-OP wrote:phail post
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:43:00 -
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Teemo Is-OP wrote:gimme a break. thats LOW sp. not lowISH. if u want ppl to help tell the mwt u have and be done. quit trying to make ureself feel better mushing the line.
Low SP (you): Fly a Drake do lvl 3's.
LowISH: Fly a tengu, do lvl 4''s. Decline the "hard" ones.
Medium: Fly a CNR with T2 cruises.
High (for missioners): Fly a Mael > Vargur/Mach
How do you know when ure SP is low lowish medium etc? When you can fly those ships and well (skillwise)
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