Originally by: Darthewok

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Edited by: Darthewok on 10/04/2010 08:09:40

Originally by: Hiroshima Jita

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Originally by: Darthewok

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...messing up killboards...

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Yeah if you want to do well on battleclinic you should be flying a Cynabal or Dramiel.

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just so people know how broken this is.
faction/pirate stuff is not differentiated from their T1 equivalents though they are way way way more powerful.
eg. dramiel >>>>> rifter but is treated like one for scoring.
people should realize that many a high BC ranking of late has been built on the back of this broken killpoint scoring of dramiels and cynabals.

eg.
when a jaguar kills a dramiel it is awarded 8 points, as if the dramiel was nothing more than a rifter.
when a dramiel kills a jaguar it is awarded 50 points, as if it did something particularly great which it did not.
6.5 times the points difference.
i leave it to you to figure out how much 50-100 kills using a dramiel/cynabal would skew a ranking upward artificially.

just so everyone knows why so many of the dramiel defenders are secretly so desperate to hold on to it.

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Originally by: Darthewok

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Edited by: Darthewok on 10/04/2010 08:18:09
excellent. mission accomplished. you have committed to see the killboard adjustment through, which was my objective.

your pride makes you so very easy to mess with, Intigo. lol.

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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 11/04/2010 07:21:19

Originally by: Omara Otawan

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Uhm, you are completely wrong. It is not just slightly more agile, it is more agile than a standard interceptor fitting, and agility is pretty much the single most important attribute for both Vagabond and Cynabal.

It has way better range on turrets (which equals way better real dps output), the extra dronebay allows you to bring ecm drones as additional gtfo button.

It has that extra midslot that allows for much more versatile fittings, for example the dual prop, and it has a crapload of pg/cpu to fit all these and more.

It is pretty much superior to the Vagabond in every single attribute, and way way superior in those that are important.

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- Holy crap. The agility is through the roof, never actually checked the numbers, just basing on experience fighting the things. My mistake
- Has the same falloff bonus doesn't it so range is "equal to" unless specifically boosted.
- If you actually make use of those midslots for versatility tank drops below that of a Vagabond so again "equal to".
- Speed is pretty much the same, perhaps with a slight edge to Cynabal due to lower mass (has lower base spd though) so roughly "equal to".
- Didn't know Vagabonds had any fitting issues unless using 425's .. havent heard anything to that effect at any rate. But yea, faction boats are generally swimming in free space compared to vanilla T1.
- Five extra lights can be godly, the main reason I prefer Navy Omens over Zealots these days.
Haven't seen any Cynabals using lights yet though, they all seem stuck in the drone-bombing mindset and use mediums for more damage.
- Just checked, price has gone up since I checked a month ago .. a lot. They were hovering around 130 per unit .. guess sellers wised up. Good for them
- Training time is not that much different, it is a rank 5 vs a rank 6 skill. About a weeks worth, hardly noticeable.

So I beg to differ, it is "equal to" in a lot of areas, but superior where it counts (speed potential and agility).

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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist

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...what?

Every single one of those points show how stupid you are. The Cynabal is superior to the Vagabond in every single way.

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Do you find that personal insults and blanket statements makes others more likely to believe you and want to continue with polite discourse?

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Originally by: Ghost Nightmare

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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist

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derp

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Newsflash - writing in red made you waste 5 minutes writing a response to tell me how writing in red is stupid

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Originally by: Shaitis

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Originally by: Mahke

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Edited by: Mahke on 09/04/2010 21:25:34

Originally by: Faffywaffy

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I am one of the best interceptor pilots in Eve. I have a lot of experience flying them both solo and in fleets, fulfilling all kinds of roles. Check the killboard(s).

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I am one of the best forum pilots in Eve. I have lots of experience posting both solo and in fleets, fulfilling all kinds of roles (except logging in). Check the board(s).

edit: derf nramiel

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Faffywaffy is actually good, I fought with and vs him and I know who he is, and who are you ?

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