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Michael Bross Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.16 19:25:00 - [121] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Originally by: Dame Death Edited by: Dame Death on 16/04/2010 18:26:29 I've recived a order to cease replying to you Jade, something I'msure you know something about. So Ushra'Khan's much vaunted freedom doesnt apply to its own members? Of course it does. Our pod pilots are free to come and go as they please. However when they are in our ranks they are expected to follow certain rules. Thats just how a military command works I guess. Chain of command and all.
Azure Skyclad Amarr Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.04.16 19:42:00 - [122] From SF's Political Philosophy here. * We do not claim space. That is to say we do not put up a flag and say: "this is our backyard, come here and weÆll set the dogs on you!" * We do explore, develop and exploit the resources of space. Seems pretty straight-forward to me Merd. Brushing up on your twisty wordsmanship again old bean? Would you be happier if they ditched "Territorial Claim Unit" and called it a "Resource Infrastructure Control Unit" instead? It would achieve the same thing but the wording would probably torpedo your very weak semantic argument. Seems like your problem is with CONCORD naming conventions rather than SF's purposes in space. Perhaps you should drop them a line? Dear CONCORD Fella, Please don't change your naming conventions as this will break my argument and i'll have to throw my rattle out of the pram. Signed, Little Jimmy Merdaneth http://ultravixen.co.uk/
Mirxa's Slave	Posted - 2010.04.16 20:13:00 - [123] Originally by: Michael Bross Of course it does. Our pod pilots are free to come and go as they please. Just like the Mad Bombers were allowed to?
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.16 21:15:00 - [124] Edited by: Black Necris on 16/04/2010 21:15:32 Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Originally by: Michael Bross Of course it does. Our pod pilots are free to come and go as they please. Just like the Mad Bombers were allowed to? Another guy who cant read, "However when they are in our ranks they are expected to follow certain rules". Rules like attending CTA's and contributing with the alliance objectives. Please stop wasting good space in this summit, take the time to read before responding. His most Serene & Magnanimous Lordship Black Necris Archbishop for the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHUP) "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.16 21:30:00 - [125] Originally by: Azure Skyclad * We do not claim space. That is to say we do not put up a flag and say: "this is our backyard, come here and weÆll set the dogs on you!" Would you be happier if they ditched "Territorial Claim Unit" and called it a "Resource Infrastructure Control Unit" instead? Star Fraction put down a flag. Now Star Fraction needs to prove (with facts) that their flag means nothing. For a start Star Fraction could promise that if I or some other neutral party puts down a few SBU's they will not take any action against them. However, what I have heard is that they will defend their 'flag' if it is challenged. If they mean to defend their flag, then they are as imperialist as the next space-holding entity. I'm also eagerly awaiting the increase of the industrial index in their claimed system, seeing as they indicated that they have only claimed space in order to develop it. As far as I've seen in my patrols, most Star Fraction pilots where not getting within one parsec of a mining vessel, preferring to languish in the KBP station while Daisho Syndicate and Ushra'Khan camp the gates. The impression is that Star Fraction has become a regular space-holding entity, if they want to convince the universe that this is the wrong impression, I expect them to come forward with facts, not meaningless opinions. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Roderigo Borgia The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.16 21:37:00 - [126] dont know if sf would but we most certainly will and neuts placing sbu's thats an attack on SF infrastructure so i imagine tehy would have some objections to it - asking them to take them down politely might be a more neutral thing to do
Svenjabi Xiang Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.16 22:07:00 - [127] Originally by: Desdemona Neptune In system YWSO-Z ... In system KBP7-G, I sit in the station in a battleship class vessel trade named the Abaddon, a known and recognized symbol throughout the cluster of Amarrian technical proficiency and power. Yet, I am not Amarrian and have opposed Amarrian expansion throughout my career. The lesson you should be taking from that is that we will use whatever tools we need to use to enhance and expand freespace within the cluster.
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.16 22:09:00 - [128] Originally by: Roderigo Borgia dont know if sf would but we most certainly will It would be me guess that in theory SF would oppose your desire of enforcing your brand of rules on the Providence region, as having a entity dictating what people can and cannot do in Freespace (like attacking another 'flag') would be just as paternalistic and imperialist as CVA rule. Of course, in practice SF might choose a completely different route, considering they can be somewhat two-faced about their principles. But if you state that you desire to maintain 'sovereignity peace', and -A- is currently red to Star Fraction, how do you divide the space? Can you please have a diplomat contact me or give me the appropriate contact name so I can also be allotted a system to stake my own flag in? Originally by: Roderigo Borgia and neuts placing sbu's thats an attack on SF infrastructure so i imagine tehy would have some objections to it - asking them to take them down politely might be a more neutral thing to do Placement of SBU's are most certainly not an attack on SF infrastructure. It does make the infrastructure vulnerable to attack, but as SF pointed out when explaining their use of warp bubbles, launching structures in space that put someone into a vulnerable position is not an act of aggression in itself. If SF places warp bubbles around gates where their allies camp and watch their allies shoot down ships caught in the bubble, they consider themselves to be remained completely neutral. Of course, it might be that when their own reasoning is used against them, they might change their minds yet again, such is the SF way. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.16 22:20:00 - [129] Originally by: Svenjabi Xiang The lesson you should be taking from that is that we will use whatever tools we need to use to enhance and expand freespace within the cluster. Perhaps taking up slavery would be a good idea as your next tool then? As I've understood some people, they think the Amarr build their Empire on the back of their slaves instead of through their own effort. Hence slaves are a well known and recognized symbol of Amarrian efficiency and power, right? Mr. Xang, don't be foolish. Of course there are limits to the methods Star Fraction will use to achieve their goals. Currently SF is claiming space and planting flags in order to oppose space-claiming and flag-planting. Everyone can see that SF are more or less forced to work within Concord regulations, an no doubt it must have been a hard decision to start paying Concord for the right to 'develop' a part of space. However, it remains to be seen if the Star Fraction method results in more of a 'Freespace feel' to the unaligned pilots in New Eden than the previous administrators of the region managed to achieve. Go out there and mine. Go out there and hunt piratical elements preying to attract unaligned pilots and develop that section of freespace in free association with Star Fraction elements. Build something for a change, and try to build it without restricting anyone. That's your stated ideal. I fear however that the practical Star Fraction organization is quite martial and always looking for 'fights' and 'opponents'. Something to rail against and they they will fail utterly in their role as a benign but independent developer of space. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.16 22:22:00 - [130] Originally by: Desdemona Neptune Here at long last we find the question that Star Fraction, with it's admittedly enviable mastery of language, will be unable to answer. In system YWSO-Z there is a CONCORD-issued Territorial Claim Unit, and emblazoned on it's sides is the Star Fraction seal. This I have seen with my own eyes. In every other part of New Eden, without exception, blah blah blah blah.... A TCU is a piece of equipment that enables the use of an Infrastructure Hub. Nothing more. The fact CONCORD has labeled this piece of equipment a "Claim Unit" doesn't make it any more the case we have claimed that space than if I re-name my Ibis "YWS0-Z Claim Unit!". OMG ChipMo claimed space!! - of course not. It is peoples actions and politics in space that lay claims, that enforce boarders, and exclude outsiders. The space that The Star Fraction is developing is open and free for all to use as they see fit with no strings attached. Merdaneth - the only use for an SBU is to make our assets vaunerable to attack. This is a clear and direct act of aggression against our assets (much like putting a PoS into reinforced) anyone doing so will be treated accordingly by us. It is not the resources or the space we are defending, they are open for anyone to exploit, it is only our own assets that we defend & rightly so. Dame Death - Jade is to kind, you are less than a Dog-Worm, you are Maggot, a Maggot wriggling in the corpse of a rotting weasel. You disgust me. Crawl in a hole and die.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.16 22:38:00 - [131] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Originally by: Dame Death Edited by: Dame Death on 16/04/2010 18:26:29 I've recived a order to cease replying to you Jade, something I'msure you know something about. So Ushra'Khan's much vaunted freedom doesnt apply to its own members? I will say that if a Jericho Fraction member was on the summit telling outrageous lies about Ushra'khan and inventing nonsense to support PIE Inc. I'm pretty sure I'd have a word with them too. Ultimately we do not have the right to suppress or censor anything anybody says in their own name, but we certainly do have the right to disassociate ourselves and our reputation from a pilot who is saying things that are frankly disgracefully insulting to our allies. Free speech comes with the responsibility to carry the consequence of the things you say. Sometimes that consequence can be profound. True Knowledge
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.16 22:48:00 - [132] Originally by: ChipMo Merdaneth - the only use for an SBU is to make our assets vaunerable to attack. This is a clear and direct act of aggression against our assets (much like putting a PoS into reinforced) anyone doing so will be treated accordingly by us. And the only use of a neutral logistics ship is to repair the ship it is flying in tandem with? And the only use of that newly graduated pod pilot checking out your POS is to act as scout or warp in point for hostiles? Additionally, making something vulnerable to attack is not the same thing as attacking someone. Star Fraction has made that abudantly clear. If I set up a SBU without the intention to attack Star Fraction assets, but with the intention to have others attack Star Fraction assets (with my prior knowledge or consent), then I am (by Star Fraction rules) not engaging in an agressive act. If I am, then please remove those bubbles at the gates. Originally by: ChipMo It is not the resources or the space we are defending, they are open for anyone to exploit, it is only our own assets that we defend & rightly so. As I said before, defending space itself is meaningless. No one cares about vacuum. Defending your investment in space (in terms of POS that do moon mining, or infrastructure hubs that allow better exploitation) is the only thing that makes sense. Believing that space-claiming entities are actually trying to defend worthless vacuum is folly. Space-claiming entities defend their assets and investments, and they do so by attacking not only those that directly attack their assets, but also those that threaten their assets or put their assets at risk or in a vulnerable position. Why do you think CVA did not allow others to freely setup POS installations in their space? Because doing so might threaten their sovereignity, which in turn could threaten their assets. You are taking exactly the same route. If anyone does something in SF claimed space that threatens SF interests, you forbid it and feel free to fire on those who transgress the rules of 'your space'. You have become Imperialist Swines. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.04.16 22:56:00 - [133] I can't believe you lot are actually trying to argue that anchoring an SBU in a system is not a hostile act. No wonder you lost Providence.
Dame Death Minmatar Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.16 23:04:00 - [134] Quote: I will say that if a Jericho Fraction member was on the summit telling outrageous lies about Ushra'khan and inventing nonsense to support PIE Inc. I'm pretty sure I'd have a word with them too. And if they liked taking cpitals off station with proper surrport you'd kick them. The screen goes fuzzy and eliza hits the comm termial As for bull***ing well everything I said cn be bcked up by others. I'm not the one insisting on saying im related or in any way in control of people I'm not or making up false battle reports then back peadling when called out on it. Well Jade......... The screen goes black as if the tranmision is being jammed.* Logs of a Brutor
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.16 23:05:00 - [135] Originally by: Erichk Knaar I can't believe you lot are actually trying to argue that anchoring an SBU in a system is not a hostile act. No wonder you lost Providence. Oh, I would most certainly consider it a hostile act. Then again, so would I consider setting up a bubble in zero-sec, catching ships and having my allies destroy them. My problem is that Star Fraction is rather, say, 'flexible' when it comes to defining hostile acts. And rather 'flexible' when it comes to defining Freespace. They are rather 'flexible' in a lot of things they say and do. They tend not to practice what they preach. I dislike that. I dislike it intensely. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Mirxa's Slave	Posted - 2010.04.16 23:34:00 - [136] Originally by: Black Necris Please stop wasting good space in this summit, take the time to read before responding. And now I don't have the freedom to respond here? Clearly I must not have read the original thread where it was revealed that Mad Bombers had their freedom to operate behind enemy lines revoked. Perhaps you'd like me to refer it to you so you can take the time to read before responding? Returning to my original point. It's quite enjoyable watching how both Ushra'Khan and Star Fraction are changing as a result of taking space in Providence. It's also enjoyable watching them deny those changes are happening. That's what I'm trying to illustrate here. Though I suppose the very nature of your denials means you are unlikely to accept this.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.16 23:34:00 - [137] Originally by: Merdaneth My problem is that Star Fraction is rather, say, 'flexible' when it comes to defining hostile acts. And rather 'flexible' when it comes to defining Freespace. They are rather 'flexible' in a lot of things they say and do. They tend not to practice what they preach. I dislike that. I dislike it intensely. Your problem is you are fundimentally dishonest. You like your former comrades in PIE Inc. are incapable of discussing anything without lies and misdirection. Your reputation is null. True Knowledge
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.04.16 23:59:00 - [138] Originally by: Jade Constantine Your problem is you are fundimentally dishonest. You like your former comrades in PIE Inc. are incapable of discussing anything without lies and misdirection. Your reputation is null. I didn't know disagreement is equivalent to dishonesty in the Star Fraction vocabulary, how quite flexible of you. If Star Fraction didn't continually come up with these shoddy explanations, poor and illogical arguments and odd twists, you wouldn't have me on your case. Simply stop spouting nonsense, admit to failure, admit to humanity and all will go easier for you. I certainly would have to twist you arm metaphorically to make your failures self-apparent. Nobody would begrudge you dictating rules for the space you now own, nobody would find it strange that you have changed your principles to fit the circumstances. It is your adamant refusal to admit to such things and insufferable arrogance that tends to aggravate people. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.17 00:12:00 - [139] Im hardly unbiased, but claiming that deploying a SBU is not a hostile act and then going on to decry your opponents for falsehoods is a bit... well, you're either being deliberatly ignorant, or the Amarrian breeding program is taking some pretty big steps backwards.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.17 00:31:00 - [140] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 17/04/2010 00:30:52 Originally by: Merdaneth It is your adamant refusal to admit to such things and insufferable arrogance that tends to aggravate people. When your "aggravation" turns into a desire to do something about it let us know and you might earn a red status for action in space rather than yawn status for continual galnet trolling.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.17 00:46:00 - [141] Originally by: Black Necris I honestly think the free captains had done no wrong nor have they transgressed their beliefs, the Concord rules state that they need to "claim" such space, but in reality that space isn't claimed, even if Concord said it is, the free captains have clearly stated it: We don't claim the space of the system where we administer infrastructure. We don't own space and in any event we regard the concept of 'owning' space to be nonsensical. We own and claim sovereignty over the core infrastructure in the system in question. That is all." A question for the "Archbishop" Necris (I use that title very loosely here), I'm curious how you view the fact the Star Fraction is dictating what modules can be placed in "their" system? They have threatend military action against any corporation that anchors a sovereignty blockade device thus dictating to others their will and expecting it to be obeyed under penalty of death. Obviously they are using their military might to intimidate others into bowing to them and following their edicts. Today it's a sovereignty device... what about tomorrow? This appears completely hypocritical to their claim all space is free. If it was free people could put anything anywhere without opposition. I will agree that if the SB module was activated I'd expect the Star Fraction to act then but to just attack it when it's sitting there without doing anything to them is a completely NBSI action by a group that claims to be NRDS. What is your opinion on this "Archbishop" Necris? Archbishop
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.17 00:49:00 - [142] Do you also find it unreasonable that SF consider GIVING them free ammo to be a hostile act? I mean, you put special ammo delivery modules on your ship especially, its hardly your fault if the fact that the ammo arrive a bit fast, is it?
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.17 01:38:00 - [143] Originally by: Merdaneth And rather 'flexible' when it comes to defining Freespace. As the organiser of the two Freespace Summits so far I can say without hesitation that The Star Fraction alliance has never changed or modified their views or their own rules on the subject of Freespace in any way and if they had they would no longer have my support. The Star Fraction has proven to me time and time again that Freespace is their ideal and as such they have my blessing and support in their new venture. Heartstone. ---
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.17 02:30:00 - [144] Edited by: ChipMo on 17/04/2010 02:31:42 Originally by: Merdaneth As I said before, defending space itself is meaningless. No one cares about vacuum. humm, I think the Amarr empire beg to differ. They are quite fond of their vacuum. You starting to appreciate the Free Space school of thought finally Merd? Also, just FYI, people are free to put up PoS' where ever they like in YWS0 :) None of our business what people choose to do with the moons in that system.
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.17 05:59:00 - [145] Originally by: Archbishop A question for the "Archbishop" Necris (I admit him as the one an only Archbishop of Providence and i proclaim the NICHUP to be the one and only true church), I'm curious how you view the fact the Star Fraction is dictating what modules can be placed in "their" system? They have threatend military action against any corporation that anchors a sovereignty blockade device thus dictating to others their will and expecting it to be obeyed under penalty of death. Obviously they are using their military might to intimidate others into bowing to them and following their edicts. Today it's a sovereignty device... what about tomorrow? This appears completely hypocritical to their claim all space is free. If it was free people could put anything anywhere without opposition. I will agree that if the SB module was activated I'd expect the Star Fraction to act then but to just attack it when it's sitting there without doing anything to them is a completely NBSI action by a group that claims to be NRDS. What is your opinion on this "Archbishop" Necris? Archbishop Archbishop, my opinion in that matter is the same the Free Captains have already expressed. I'll try to explain it as easy as it can be for me: Star Fraction owns infrastructure in a system. CHECK Star fraction declares the space in that system to be free. CHECK In order to administrate SF infrastructure CONCORD requires what they call a "Territorial Claim Unit" to be deployed. CHECK The Free Captains declares once again that system to be free and that anyone else can deploy other infrastructure. CHECK Should anyone else try to deploy a "SBU" the free captains infrastructure would be jeopardized. CHECK The only reason why some one would think of deploying an SBU would be to attack the infrastructure of the star fraction. CHECK Should some one deploy an "SBU", would mean an attack towards the star fraction infrastructure hence an hostile movement. CHECK The star fraction declares they will defend their infrastructure. CHECK Whats so hard to understand about that? The only thing that matters here is that the Free Captains don't decide how CONCORD decides to call Infrastructure Items, for all we know the TCU could be called Totally Cool Unit and then we would't be having this discussion. Originally by: Mirxa's Slave And now I don't have the freedom to respond here? Clearly I must not have read the original thread where it was revealed that Mad Bombers had their freedom to operate behind enemy lines revoked. Perhaps you'd like me to refer it to you so you can take the time to read before responding? Returning to my original point. It's quite enjoyable watching how both Ushra'Khan and Star Fraction are changing as a result of taking space in Providence. It's also enjoyable watching them deny those changes are happening. That's what I'm trying to illustrate here. Though I suppose the very nature of your denials means you are unlikely to accept this. See how you don't read before responding? i never said you are not to respond here, i said you should read BEFORE responding to stop wasting the summit space. I wont derail this summit with talks about the Mad Bombers, all that had to be said about that had been said already, if you have problems understanding i can explain it to you whenever you like. Come to the New and Improved Church of Providence after this Sunday sermon, and if i still have the ability to talk ill be happy to assist you. Thinking of it, better if you come before the sermon, as the pilot known as Calypsos Wrath is expected to bring me a box of Pator spirits and 3 exotic dancers, and i wont have the time to lecture you on the Mad Bombers issue. The Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord Black Necris Archbishop of the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHUP) "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.17 10:06:00 - [146] This debate about TCUs is the same non-sense, only in reverse, as CVA/LFA saying that AAA had not been claiming F9E->9KOE. Whether or not a TCU is installed, the known views of the alliance in question far out-weigh any concord paperwork. _____________________ Poreuomai's Spokesman For Tribe and Honour!
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.17 12:19:00 - [147] Originally by: Black Necris Archbishop, my opinion in that matter is the same the Free Captains have already expressed. I'll try to explain it as easy as it can be for me: Thank you... please review my comments and respond. Star Fraction owns infrastructure in a system. CHECK Agreed Star fraction declares the space in that system to be free. CHECK Agreed In order to administrate SF infrastructure CONCORD requires what they call a "Territorial Claim Unit" to be deployed. CHECK Agreed The Free Captains declares once again that system to be free and that anyone else can deploy other infrastructure. CHECK Agreed Should anyone else try to deploy a "SBU" the free captains infrastructure would be jeopardized. CHECK Disagree - If the SBU is not onlined it causes no harm. Eve-Wiki states quite clearly "If Corp A belonging to Alliance A anchors but does not online an SBU at a gate, a member of Corp B belonging to Alliance B, which has the Config Starbase Equipment role, can come and online it". This indicates the SBU is only a threat if it is onlined. I will agree if it is onlined it is a threat but not until then. The only reason why some one would think of deploying an SBU would be to attack the infrastructure of the star fraction. CHECK Disagree - It could be a test of new technology, an experiment, practice, you don't know what the reason is until it's manifested itself. Should some one deploy an "SBU", would mean an attack towards the star fraction infrastructure hence an hostile movement. CHECK Disagree - If it's onlined its an attack but not if it's just anchored. The star fraction declares they will defend their infrastructure. CHECK Agreed - If it's onlined... if it's just anchored and the party has no hostile standing toward the Star Fraction any attack on it would be a NBSI action in complete violation of the Star Fractions stated RoE. If it is onlined that is another matter. Quote: Whats so hard to understand about that? The only thing that matters here is that the Free Captains don't decide how CONCORD decides to call Infrastructure Items, for all we know the TCU could be called Totally Cool Unit and then we would't be having this discussion. I have no issue with the naming of the TCU because that is a concord requirement for sovereignty. I also will be happy to acknowledge sovereignty is required to administer an outpost thus as long as that outpost is free and open I do not view that in and of itself as "holding space". My observations however do view dictating what can and can't be deployed as "holding space". An SBU, until it is onlined, is not a threat and thus any attack on an entity anchoring one that is not already set to hostile standings would be a NBSI action. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Mirxa's Slave	Posted - 2010.04.17 12:30:00 - [148] Originally by: Black Necris No U I think I may have paraphrased that a touch... You do seem to have failed to address my major point there. Since you assure me that you are taking the time to read posts carefully, we'll put this down to selective blindness towards issues that you don't want to admit that are arising. You do realise that proves my point?
Lucai Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.17 12:37:00 - [149] Edited by: Lucai on 17/04/2010 12:43:55 laughs uncontrollably for a minute, before being able to calm down and reduce it to a smirk Archbishop, you should really try to get out more. The level of ridiculousness in your last post is unbearable. How about leaving your probably padded cell from time to time. Or wont they let you leave? falls back into uncontrolled laughter ... finally manages to sober up after some time So if we only consider online TCUs to be a thread, you will be totally fine and we can dance into the sunset together, holding hands? You know, there is greatness in admitting defeat. Losing that badly and trying to hide behind the difference of online and offline modules is even pathetic for you. Let me plant a bomb in your quarters, will you? I wont online it, i promise, its just for research purposes. grins impishly
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.17 16:53:00 - [150] Originally by: Merdaneth Placement of SBU's are most certainly not an attack on SF infrastructure. Yes, placement of SBUs in a system where we own and operate the core infrastructure is an attack on our infrastructure. You don't get it, do you? We consider it a hostile act and an attack on our infrastructure and us. We're being quite clear and up front about that. The other side of this is of course that every neutral in New Eden can be assured that the Star Fraction will not deploy SBUs in systems they administer. We would regard that as an unwarranted attack on those neutrals and their infrastructure. The reality is that no-one goes around anchoring SBUs for a 'test'. The reality is that the primary effect of deploying an SBU is to permit a direct attack on specified core infrastructure by rendering them vulnerable. In our view this in itself is an attack and we openly define it as such. We're being clear. Everyone knows where they stand. Deployment of SBUs in a system where we administer the infrastructure is an attack on us. If we were to deploy SBUs in a system administered by others, we would be attacking them. That's really all that need be said on SBUs. The principles of the Star Fraction on this topic are quite clear: We don't claim space. We don't own space. We don't recognise the concept of 'owning space'. We claim sovereignty over ourselves, our ships and our infrastructure. We don't claim sovereignty over anything else. Neutrals can place starbases, and any modules they are able on those starbases, in systems where we administer the infrastructure. Neutrals can deploy the various forms of warp disruption field without penalty. Neutrals can mine, bounty hunt, explore and move without penalty, toll or limit in systems where we administer the infrastructure. Neutrals will not be shot at by Star Fraction pilots unless they engage in hostile acts against us. It's that simple. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal

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