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stevenjackson007
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.13 21:35:00 -
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I enjoy flying some of the less popular/more unique ships in the game, even if they have just a small niche in the overall EVE universe. One ship I can't quite understand is the Rattlesnake. I have actually been looking for an excuse to plunk down that kind of ISK for a ship (last I saw it was around a billion just for the hull, no fittings) - on part because I think it looks friggin cool. In looking through the forums I don't really see any argument in favor of it (and, I should note, many of the Rattlesnake posts are several years old and many patches/expansions behind). Most folks seem to think that for DPS it is trumped by the CNR and for shield tank trumped by the Navy Scorp (if I remember the last post I read on Rattlesnake tanks). I used to mission 100% of the time, but now I pretty much exclusively PvP (which I've found to be insanely more fun) and am looking for a new niche ship to fly for small gangs and some solo ratting. I'm not wealthy, but I can afford this ship and maybe half as much to fit it.
I guess what I'm asking is that, assuming someone had sufficient isk that the cost for the ship and fitting it decently was not a limiting factor - what role does it fill, realistically, or is it just one of those novelty ships that seems to have no real function? And how would you need to fit it to make it a plausible warship?
Any comments, flames (can't avoid those here), and/or suggestions are welcome. Thanks for reading.
Aut Viam Inveniam, Aut Faciam
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Cambarus
The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.04.13 22:05:00 -
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With a good 3-4 slot tank the rattler can easily tank 2-3k DPS with room for an injector mwd and point. Then you got drones and torps and neuts. That's pretty much it really, but this is one of those ships that really needs a decent chunk of isk to make it awesome. |
Zoctrine
Tsuna Tide
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Posted - 2010.04.13 22:09:00 -
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Well I will post something about the Rattle since its one ship I love flying myself...
To put it simple, only fly it if you can fit it, in other words, very expensive fit, drones and thatĘs about it, ofc use it for missions, I use mine for some lv4 missions.
Not the most efficient ship in anything but I love it, pretty much an ISK pit really...
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mxzf
Minmatar
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2010.04.13 22:14:00 -
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The Rattler is kinda like a cross between a Domi and a Raven that tanks like a super-Drake. They're often used to passively tank lvl 5s because of the neut towers.
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Legende
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.04.13 23:08:00 -
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 Originally by: mxzf
The Rattler is kinda like a cross between a Domi and a Raven that tanks like a super-Drake. They're often used to passively tank lvl 5s because of the neut towers.
^ This is the Rattler's niche. For everything else there is a more efficient ship, but the Rattler is the perfect sub-cap ship for L5s.
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Patri Andari
Caldari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.04.14 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: Patri Andari on 14/04/2010 01:13:06
Originally by: mxzf
The Rattler is kinda like a cross between a Domi and a Raven that tanks like a super-Drake. They're often used to passively tank lvl 5s because of the neut towers.
No!
Rattler is more like a cross between a Rokh and a Domi.
In this case Rattler is same as the Rokh with 0 turret slots, 0 turret range bonuses, same resistance bonus, same missile hard points (4), and NO missile bonuses.
It is the same as a Domi with 0 turret slots, 0 turret damage bonus, same drone bay, same drone bandwidth and same drone bonuses.
Comparing Rattler to Raven is Dumb. They have little in common.
HTH
Patri
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Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2010.04.14 02:36:00 -
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The rattlesnake is the ultimate solo level 5 ship.
It is the best capless, passive tank of all time.
EVAR! |
stevenjackson007
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.14 04:13:00 -
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Thanks guys - that actually answers my questions on this one. I appreciate the insight and comments (and the complete lack of flames and trolls)! Would that all threads were like this...
Aut Viam Inveniam, Aut Faciam
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Region watcher1
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Posted - 2010.04.14 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: Region watcher1 on 14/04/2010 07:32:15
Originally by: Noran Ferah
The rattlesnake is the ultimate solo level 5 ship.
It is the best capless, passive tank of all time.
EVAR!
how well will it do against class 4 sleepers?
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.04.14 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Region watcher1
Edited by: Region watcher1 on 14/04/2010 07:32:15
Originally by: Noran Ferah
The rattlesnake is the ultimate solo level 5 ship.
It is the best capless, passive tank of all time.
EVAR!
how well will it do against class 4 sleepers?
with a high proportion of its dps coming from drones, i would think it would be a bit of a nightmare to use in holes.
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Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2010.04.14 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
with a high proportion of its dps coming from drones, i would think it would be a bit of a nightmare to use in holes.
100% agree with this comment.
A level 5 mission is no Wormhole. I wish the level 5's AI was more like sleepers, but I digress...
I would not go solo a WH in my (quickly) droneless Rattlesnake. That is what RR gangs are for.
On the other hand, a perfect skilled rattler can afk 90% of the level 5's vs kin/therm.
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Trance Battlesworn
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Posted - 2010.04.14 15:17:00 -
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Anyone got a good T2 Fit for a passive tanked (Active Hardeners are ok as long as its cap stable) Rattlesnake Build for L4 Missions?
I currently fly a T2 fitted Raven but for the next months i have to move to a new location and will have a very instable Inet connection so i prefer to fly a Passive Rattlesnake so i dont lose the ship when my Net crashes 
I tried to get a good fitting but cant find a good balance between Tank and Gank for L4.
my skills: Caldari BS5, Gallente BS4, most shield skills at least 4, Drone Interfacing 5 (dont have T2 Sentries yet tho. but its on my list), the important Missile Skills are at 5, i can only use T2 Cruise tho, not T2 Torps, i would prefer a Cruise Rattle anyways.
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icecooljon
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.04.14 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Trance Battlesworn
Anyone got a good T2 Fit for a passive tanked (Active Hardeners are ok as long as its cap stable) Rattlesnake Build for L4 Missions?
I currently fly a T2 fitted Raven but for the next months i have to move to a new location and will have a very instable Inet connection so i prefer to fly a Passive Rattlesnake so i dont lose the ship when my Net crashes
Honestly unless you want to move into a Rattler for any other reason than your internet connect I recommend just buffing your ravens tank.. I run missions with a T2 fitted Raven and a T2 fitting Domi. My Domi disconnected and my Raven was soon dipping into low shield. I had my tank running flat out trying to counter it and I managed to log my Domi back in, come out of the emergency warp thingy, warp to the mission gate, get through the first room and get into range to RR my Raven in time. True it was painfully close as in 99% structure =) but the 'resist' tank lasted along time.
I know that story doesn't mean much to you, but what I'm trying to say is a T2 fitted Raven should have enough tank to stay alive long enough to log back in or the ship to warp out when you disconnect. Yes you will have to loose some DPS to fit more tank, but its better than splashing out 1bil+ just for a different fix to the same problem.
[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake: Passive Lv4/5 post domi]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor I
Small Tractor Beam I
Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Ogre II
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Replace T2 mods with faction when possible
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MeBiatch
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Posted - 2010.04.14 17:44:00 -
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i dont do missions anymore...
but i have been using my snake for plexes...
it can pretty much solo any plex, and for the ones it cant a logi crusier on it will allow it to...
this is my setup atm...
Rigs:
therm shiled rig II
2 shield purgers
lows:
dcu II
4 shield power relays II
pdu II
meds:
domination 100 mn ab
2 invul II (will swithch for DG ones once i got the isk)
DG mag passive
3 LSE II
Highs:
4 domination cruise launchers
last two high slots can be either drone extenders or whats needed depending on the security of the system...
I love this ship and its only going to get better once the new graphics are out...
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