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Gaven Lok'ri	Posted - 2004.12.01 19:18:00 - [91] Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri on 01/12/2004 19:23:09 Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri on 01/12/2004 19:22:20 Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri on 01/12/2004 19:21:31 It is quite simple what this is saying... Im astounded you all seem so confused. And In fact Khaldorn hit it on the head with " PIE is a but a very miniscule slice of the slave trade that deals with billions of my people." Your efforts are worthless. You can raid all the backwaters you want, and you will still fail to change a thing in the Holy Amarran Empire. You kill slaves. You "free" others into lives of squalor. You then watch as more slaves than you freed are taken back into Amarr. This is all the current state of affairs will ever accomplish. Now on some other things. AMAX does indeed get more small scale engagements with you than PIE does. It is after all what they are best suited for. But if the CVA wasnt the force it was, then well... you would simply use your superior numbers to overwhelm the good pilots of AMAX. But unfortunately for you simply from the CVAs existance you cannot afford to put together the kinds of concentrated fleets needed often... as doing so is an invitation to fight a set piece battle you heathens would have no chance of winning. Basically as long as AMAX is seen as takeing the initiative... and as long as they are sucessful at it... that is an acknowledgement that PIE has done its job and forced the terrorists to back down from true fleet engagements and heavy incursions. AMAX is more than capable of handleing the minor piratical raids we are seeing now... but rest assured that if you attempt a large scale incursion they cant handle, you will see a Golden Fleet in your path. So continue with your current strategy... it will work better than dieing in fleet engagements Im sure. But it still will make absolutely no difference at all. And Mrs. Doone... Slavery is punishment indeed. The reason people must go through the process of slavery to eventually reach enlightenment is that quite simply they have commited a grave nearly mortal sin... or had it commited for them by their forfathers. They have all turned away from God. That is what slavery in Amarr is in its basic form. It is nothing more than a form of penance required of those who have turned away from God. It really is quite merciful, the penalty for betrayal of God could have been set as Death... but we are a merciful people who believe in second chances. You break the Holy Trust of God and you are given a second chance to redeem yourself and your line in service to his faithful. Whether you are a True Amarr or a Minmatar the result is the same... its just that the Minmatar have sin in their very nature and thus must raise themselves above it, while an Amarran who falls in most cases did not start in a life of Sin but rather fell from Grace into it. Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II!
Gaven Lok'ri	Posted - 2004.12.01 19:18:00 - [92] Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri on 01/12/2004 19:23:09 Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri on 01/12/2004 19:22:20 Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri on 01/12/2004 19:21:31 It is quite simple what this is saying... Im astounded you all seem so confused. And In fact Khaldorn hit it on the head with " PIE is a but a very miniscule slice of the slave trade that deals with billions of my people." Your efforts are worthless. You can raid all the backwaters you want, and you will still fail to change a thing in the Holy Amarran Empire. You kill slaves. You "free" others into lives of squalor. You then watch as more slaves than you freed are taken back into Amarr. This is all the current state of affairs will ever accomplish. Now on some other things. AMAX does indeed get more small scale engagements with you than PIE does. It is after all what they are best suited for. But if the CVA wasnt the force it was, then well... you would simply use your superior numbers to overwhelm the good pilots of AMAX. But unfortunately for you simply from the CVAs existance you cannot afford to put together the kinds of concentrated fleets needed often... as doing so is an invitation to fight a set piece battle you heathens would have no chance of winning. Basically as long as AMAX is seen as takeing the initiative... and as long as they are sucessful at it... that is an acknowledgement that PIE has done its job and forced the terrorists to back down from true fleet engagements and heavy incursions. AMAX is more than capable of handleing the minor piratical raids we are seeing now... but rest assured that if you attempt a large scale incursion they cant handle, you will see a Golden Fleet in your path. So continue with your current strategy... it will work better than dieing in fleet engagements Im sure. But it still will make absolutely no difference at all. And Mrs. Doone... Slavery is punishment indeed. The reason people must go through the process of slavery to eventually reach enlightenment is that quite simply they have commited a grave nearly mortal sin... or had it commited for them by their forfathers. They have all turned away from God. That is what slavery in Amarr is in its basic form. It is nothing more than a form of penance required of those who have turned away from God. It really is quite merciful, the penalty for betrayal of God could have been set as Death... but we are a merciful people who believe in second chances. You break the Holy Trust of God and you are given a second chance to redeem yourself and your line in service to his faithful. Whether you are a True Amarr or a Minmatar the result is the same... its just that the Minmatar have sin in their very nature and thus must raise themselves above it, while an Amarran who falls in most cases did not start in a life of Sin but rather fell from Grace into it. Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II!
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.12.01 20:15:00 - [93] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri And Mrs. Doone... Slavery is punishment indeed. The reason people must go through the process of slavery to eventually reach enlightenment is that quite simply they have commited a grave nearly mortal sin... or had it commited for them by their forfathers. So... one can be punished for sins comitted by other people now? People who might even be dead? Well, why don't you take this premise to the next logical step? Why don't you dig up the bodies of my forefathers and punish them for my misdeeds? Honestly, this empire just gets dumber! --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.12.01 20:15:00 - [94] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri And Mrs. Doone... Slavery is punishment indeed. The reason people must go through the process of slavery to eventually reach enlightenment is that quite simply they have commited a grave nearly mortal sin... or had it commited for them by their forfathers. So... one can be punished for sins comitted by other people now? People who might even be dead? Well, why don't you take this premise to the next logical step? Why don't you dig up the bodies of my forefathers and punish them for my misdeeds? Honestly, this empire just gets dumber! --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Makkar	Posted - 2004.12.01 21:16:00 - [95] Looks like PIE's been O.D'ing on verbal laxatives again. So Ethidium's agent gave him some 20k slaves. So what? What're you saying, that there are more slaves in Amarr? We know. We've not finished yet.
Makkar	Posted - 2004.12.01 21:16:00 - [96] Looks like PIE's been O.D'ing on verbal laxatives again. So Ethidium's agent gave him some 20k slaves. So what? What're you saying, that there are more slaves in Amarr? We know. We've not finished yet.
AsheRaven	Posted - 2004.12.01 22:53:00 - [97] Point is this PIE is trying to make up for the loss of 25k slaves. Thats no victory or propaganda coup. It's grovelling to the Amarrian and Ammatar masses for fasiling to prtect their prescious slave convoys, as they promised. Nothing much else to say really, except, I gotta go back to work. ---------------------------------
AsheRaven	Posted - 2004.12.01 22:53:00 - [98] Point is this PIE is trying to make up for the loss of 25k slaves. Thats no victory or propaganda coup. It's grovelling to the Amarrian and Ammatar masses for fasiling to prtect their prescious slave convoys, as they promised. Nothing much else to say really, except, I gotta go back to work. ---------------------------------
Milton Smythe	Posted - 2004.12.01 23:06:00 - [99] I am saddened to hear our customs officers are so easily cicumvented by use of steaalth technology. That is indeed grave. I can only comfort myself that the Amarr Customs officers are likely no harder to fool. And again this being viewed and portraited as animals.. beasts.. Cannibals now ? I take deep offence both in hearing Minmatar has been abducted and the erroneous conclusions taken about my homeplanet and my people. We may have a tribal outlook and we may offer worship at the base of a rock, but we are not primitive. There are people living in varying degrees of both wealth and advancements in Pator as everywhere else. But we have a successful interstellar Republic. Living in caves ? Mudhuts ? the fantasies of where Minmatar might come from and the deep wish to be superior has ill served you in your perception. The Skeleton you saw were no doubt that of a food animal , it is not uncommon for the.. urbane .. to mistake a skeletons origins , though I am surprised even an animals skeleton was left in the open .. Unless it was shrine. It could have been a sacrifice to the gods to insure good health and prosperity for a village. I lived in a village myself once. Don't read too much into the word though , we did not live in mudhuts. Such huts and caves do exist though , for educational and ritual purposes.. ah .. the fertility festivals for instance.. Much spirits and joy. But I digress. You have enslaved people of my blood , and I have worked a long time to stop such incursions. The Republic fleet is always busy scanning space for slavers.. This is something else though. It is a goad ... you are baiting your enemies. Apparently your willingness for battle and eagerness to stand up for your ideals took a hit when CONCORD started to demand payment for initiating hostility. You are quite obviously hesitant to pick up that bill and attempts , poorly , to goad the opposition into doing so instead. Did greed remove your fervor ? Did avarice defeat your faith ? From what I hear , the Free.. rebels can do their job without the necessity of getting you involved.. Can you say the same ?
Milton Smythe	Posted - 2004.12.01 23:06:00 - [100] I am saddened to hear our customs officers are so easily cicumvented by use of steaalth technology. That is indeed grave. I can only comfort myself that the Amarr Customs officers are likely no harder to fool. And again this being viewed and portraited as animals.. beasts.. Cannibals now ? I take deep offence both in hearing Minmatar has been abducted and the erroneous conclusions taken about my homeplanet and my people. We may have a tribal outlook and we may offer worship at the base of a rock, but we are not primitive. There are people living in varying degrees of both wealth and advancements in Pator as everywhere else. But we have a successful interstellar Republic. Living in caves ? Mudhuts ? the fantasies of where Minmatar might come from and the deep wish to be superior has ill served you in your perception. The Skeleton you saw were no doubt that of a food animal , it is not uncommon for the.. urbane .. to mistake a skeletons origins , though I am surprised even an animals skeleton was left in the open .. Unless it was shrine. It could have been a sacrifice to the gods to insure good health and prosperity for a village. I lived in a village myself once. Don't read too much into the word though , we did not live in mudhuts. Such huts and caves do exist though , for educational and ritual purposes.. ah .. the fertility festivals for instance.. Much spirits and joy. But I digress. You have enslaved people of my blood , and I have worked a long time to stop such incursions. The Republic fleet is always busy scanning space for slavers.. This is something else though. It is a goad ... you are baiting your enemies. Apparently your willingness for battle and eagerness to stand up for your ideals took a hit when CONCORD started to demand payment for initiating hostility. You are quite obviously hesitant to pick up that bill and attempts , poorly , to goad the opposition into doing so instead. Did greed remove your fervor ? Did avarice defeat your faith ? From what I hear , the Free.. rebels can do their job without the necessity of getting you involved.. Can you say the same ?
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.12.01 23:38:00 - [101] Originally by: Milton Smythe From what I hear , the Free.. rebels can do their job without the necessity of getting you involved.. Can you say the same ? It goes both ways Smythe, our involvement in the slave trade is only growing stronger. As for war, well it is upon the Ushra'Khan. Their declaration of war towards the NGO now includes the entirety of the CVA. I suspect they got more than they had bargained for after declaring on the 3 man strong NGO. The New Galactic Order joined the CVA this evening. ----------------------------------------------
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.12.01 23:38:00 - [102] Originally by: Milton Smythe From what I hear , the Free.. rebels can do their job without the necessity of getting you involved.. Can you say the same ? It goes both ways Smythe, our involvement in the slave trade is only growing stronger. As for war, well it is upon the Ushra'Khan. Their declaration of war towards the NGO now includes the entirety of the CVA. I suspect they got more than they had bargained for after declaring on the 3 man strong NGO. The New Galactic Order joined the CVA this evening. ----------------------------------------------
AsheRaven	Posted - 2004.12.01 23:43:00 - [103] Hardly. NGO proved their worth with uncharismatic smack and hiding. Turned out they wern't really worth the frustration. ---------------------------------
AsheRaven	Posted - 2004.12.01 23:43:00 - [104] Hardly. NGO proved their worth with uncharismatic smack and hiding. Turned out they wern't really worth the frustration. ---------------------------------
Hardin	Posted - 2004.12.02 01:14:00 - [105] The game is afoot
Hardin	Posted - 2004.12.02 01:14:00 - [106] The game is afoot
Sarkos	Posted - 2004.12.02 02:11:00 - [107] Originally by: Gaius Kador Originally by: Sarkos What we have here is an attept to save face from the utter humiliation of the CVA at the hands of Minmatar Freedom fighters. Ah that is rich, Sarkos. We might have lost a battle or two against your terrorist fleets, but we have never been humiliated. We fight hard, and we die gloriously. Keep stalking the shadows, hunting the defenseless. It seems as if it is all you are capable of these days. How the mighty have fallen. If allowing many frredom fighters past your borrders to run rampent in your space, freeing 25,000 slaves as you paraded in Amarr is not humiliating, then I fear PIE's arrogence and pride have replaced thier military capabilitie. As to stalking the shadows, it was actually quite well lit that day, all most festive. The night skies lit with the flaming blossoms of exploding convoys. Ahh, free our kin and a fireworks display at the same time. Now my old enemy Gaius, perhaps if that hood did not cover your eyes you would see the truth. The slaves will be freed regardless as to what spin of propoganda you use. Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Sarkos	Posted - 2004.12.02 02:11:00 - [108] Originally by: Gaius Kador Originally by: Sarkos What we have here is an attept to save face from the utter humiliation of the CVA at the hands of Minmatar Freedom fighters. Ah that is rich, Sarkos. We might have lost a battle or two against your terrorist fleets, but we have never been humiliated. We fight hard, and we die gloriously. Keep stalking the shadows, hunting the defenseless. It seems as if it is all you are capable of these days. How the mighty have fallen. If allowing many frredom fighters past your borrders to run rampent in your space, freeing 25,000 slaves as you paraded in Amarr is not humiliating, then I fear PIE's arrogence and pride have replaced thier military capabilitie. As to stalking the shadows, it was actually quite well lit that day, all most festive. The night skies lit with the flaming blossoms of exploding convoys. Ahh, free our kin and a fireworks display at the same time. Now my old enemy Gaius, perhaps if that hood did not cover your eyes you would see the truth. The slaves will be freed regardless as to what spin of propoganda you use. Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Gaven Lok'ri	Posted - 2004.12.02 02:52:00 - [109] Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri on 02/12/2004 02:58:42 Mrs Doone. The sin is in not following God. The act of turning away from God was commited by people long dead... but the fact that the average Minmatar does not follow the One True God... is enough to warrent enslavement. Those long dead forfathers who turned away from God... are paying the ultimate price now after God has judged them... but their current decendants do not necessarily need to pay that price. If they work for God's people they can through a life of servitude gain spiritually back what their forfathers stole from them and avoid a much worse fate. Amarrans who turn from God are enslaved so that they might have a chance to redeem themselves and their line and put themselves back on the path to salvation. In both cases it is the same process. A person full of sin is given the opportunity to gain spiritual enlightenment... rather than being justly destroyed as their sin of working against God might deserve. I know that the concept of Amarran Mercy is beyond your feeble capacities... but indeed the very system of enslavement you despise so much is based on one thing: God's Eternal Mercy. Be glad that this is the case... for if it was not there would not be a Minmatar, Udorian, Ni'kunni, or Ealur left alive today. And be careful how hard you fight it. For in fighting against Merciful actions you beg for Unmerciful actions to be delt out. The destruction of the Starkmanir is a prime example of this. Be careful how hard you push... or you will find that the glove of mercy will be dropped in favor of the sharp swift fist of Holy Imperial Justice. Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II!
Gaven Lok'ri	Posted - 2004.12.02 02:52:00 - [110] Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri on 02/12/2004 02:58:42 Mrs Doone. The sin is in not following God. The act of turning away from God was commited by people long dead... but the fact that the average Minmatar does not follow the One True God... is enough to warrent enslavement. Those long dead forfathers who turned away from God... are paying the ultimate price now after God has judged them... but their current decendants do not necessarily need to pay that price. If they work for God's people they can through a life of servitude gain spiritually back what their forfathers stole from them and avoid a much worse fate. Amarrans who turn from God are enslaved so that they might have a chance to redeem themselves and their line and put themselves back on the path to salvation. In both cases it is the same process. A person full of sin is given the opportunity to gain spiritual enlightenment... rather than being justly destroyed as their sin of working against God might deserve. I know that the concept of Amarran Mercy is beyond your feeble capacities... but indeed the very system of enslavement you despise so much is based on one thing: God's Eternal Mercy. Be glad that this is the case... for if it was not there would not be a Minmatar, Udorian, Ni'kunni, or Ealur left alive today. And be careful how hard you fight it. For in fighting against Merciful actions you beg for Unmerciful actions to be delt out. The destruction of the Starkmanir is a prime example of this. Be careful how hard you push... or you will find that the glove of mercy will be dropped in favor of the sharp swift fist of Holy Imperial Justice. Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II!
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.12.02 08:40:00 - [111] Well, Lieutenant Lok'ri, I have asked this before and it has yet to be answered: given that you cannot prove the existence of this God, why should anyone treat what you say as anything other than wild speculation? Because the scriptures say so? Just because it's written in some mouldy and festering old tomes does not make it fact. And so, why should any act of violence carried out to make someone accept this belief (I understand that "cleansing lasers" are a particular favourite) be viewed as anything other than an act of piracy? Oh, and if you please, it's Ms Doone, or Miss if you must (although one lives in hope, one has yet to find a male suitable for the title Mr Lorna Doone ). --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.12.02 08:40:00 - [112] Well, Lieutenant Lok'ri, I have asked this before and it has yet to be answered: given that you cannot prove the existence of this God, why should anyone treat what you say as anything other than wild speculation? Because the scriptures say so? Just because it's written in some mouldy and festering old tomes does not make it fact. And so, why should any act of violence carried out to make someone accept this belief (I understand that "cleansing lasers" are a particular favourite) be viewed as anything other than an act of piracy? Oh, and if you please, it's Ms Doone, or Miss if you must (although one lives in hope, one has yet to find a male suitable for the title Mr Lorna Doone ). --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Stront3h	Posted - 2004.12.02 10:07:00 - [113] Sorry but I'm going to speak OOC here for obvious reasons. Hardin, stop spinning the fact that there is an extremely obvious imbalance in the agent reward system, just to get a rise out of the mini's. Whilst it appears that Amarrian can receive tens of thousands of slaves for just one mission, the poor old mini's can't even rescue the few hundred in their missions for fear of being blown apart by their own customs agents. Now once you've finished gloating over that fact Hardin, post something useful and informative, maybe enlighten us as to how the CVA alliance is progressing rather that what is intentionally posted to start an IC flame fest.
Stront3h	Posted - 2004.12.02 10:07:00 - [114] Sorry but I'm going to speak OOC here for obvious reasons. Hardin, stop spinning the fact that there is an extremely obvious imbalance in the agent reward system, just to get a rise out of the mini's. Whilst it appears that Amarrian can receive tens of thousands of slaves for just one mission, the poor old mini's can't even rescue the few hundred in their missions for fear of being blown apart by their own customs agents. Now once you've finished gloating over that fact Hardin, post something useful and informative, maybe enlighten us as to how the CVA alliance is progressing rather that what is intentionally posted to start an IC flame fest.
Majaraw Awalabas	Posted - 2004.12.02 10:15:00 - [115] Originally by: Sarkos If allowing many frredom fighters past your borrders to run rampent in your space, freeing 25,000 slaves as you paraded in Amarr is not humiliating, then I fear PIE's arrogence and pride have replaced thier military capabilitie. We do not control the borders. That is the job the Amarr Navy has been given. I do not see how PIE was humiliated. I see death and destruction caused by terrorists, many of which had CONCORD protection. By all means, delude yourselves in counting this a victory over PIE, it is far from the truth but if it helps your futile struggle to be so flamboyant with the facts... I personally care not one iota if you saved 1 slave or 25.000. I care about the families left behind, the lives taken in blind fury, both Amarr and Minmatar. CONCORD's protection has again been lifted from a larger terrorist force than seen before. It will be dealt with as usually.
Majaraw Awalabas	Posted - 2004.12.02 10:15:00 - [116] Originally by: Sarkos If allowing many frredom fighters past your borrders to run rampent in your space, freeing 25,000 slaves as you paraded in Amarr is not humiliating, then I fear PIE's arrogence and pride have replaced thier military capabilitie. We do not control the borders. That is the job the Amarr Navy has been given. I do not see how PIE was humiliated. I see death and destruction caused by terrorists, many of which had CONCORD protection. By all means, delude yourselves in counting this a victory over PIE, it is far from the truth but if it helps your futile struggle to be so flamboyant with the facts... I personally care not one iota if you saved 1 slave or 25.000. I care about the families left behind, the lives taken in blind fury, both Amarr and Minmatar. CONCORD's protection has again been lifted from a larger terrorist force than seen before. It will be dealt with as usually.
Majaraw Awalabas	Posted - 2004.12.02 10:16:00 - [117] Originally by: Stront3h Sorry but I'm going to speak OOC here for obvious reasons. Wrong forum
Majaraw Awalabas	Posted - 2004.12.02 10:16:00 - [118] Originally by: Stront3h Sorry but I'm going to speak OOC here for obvious reasons. Wrong forum
Stront3h	Posted - 2004.12.02 10:47:00 - [119] Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas Wrong forum Well aren't you the sharpest tack in the box......
Stront3h	Posted - 2004.12.02 10:47:00 - [120] Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas Wrong forum Well aren't you the sharpest tack in the box......

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