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ShadowandLight Amarr Hammer Of Light Primary.	Posted - 2010.04.15 11:21:00 - [1] Edited by: ShadowandLight on 15/04/2010 11:24:46 I have heard rumors from a few people that most if not all of the new Providence "Renters" will be set neutral / red by UK and AAA. I wonder if said alliances knew that before taking space in Prov? Edit : Seems William Pierce has already let that cat out of the bag? http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?p=1195777#1195777 " As a diehard PvPer I think I can honestly say that I think that although it will be different, it will still be a great roaming ground for us and others."
Bonito Applebum Gallente StarForged Universal Assembly	Posted - 2010.04.15 11:25:00 - [2] Yes, thats true. Providence will be set to red in full, but there will be no sov wars directed by -A- / UK towards rentner alliances.... Until the new Providence owners decide to take -A- systems while they are off on a campaign...
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.15 11:51:00 - [3] 1. they're not renters 2. they are free to manage their own standings - some may be red, some blue, etc 3. they knew this was the deal prior to moving in, and liked the sound of it so this isn't exactly a drama-bomb, or whatever you're hoping it is ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Xious Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.15 12:28:00 - [4] Originally by: Butter Dog 1. they're not renters 2. they are free to manage their own standings - some may be red, some blue, etc 3. they knew this was the deal prior to moving in, and liked the sound of it so this isn't exactly a drama-bomb, or whatever you're hoping it is :( /me puts popcorn away. Originally by: CCP Shadow This thread has been cleansed of bodily fluid references.
Iva Posavec Minmatar Posavec Innovations Takhar Matari	Posted - 2010.04.15 12:37:00 - [5] Originally by: ShadowandLight Edited by: ShadowandLight on 15/04/2010 11:24:46 I have heard rumors from a few people that most if not all of the new Providence "Renters" will be set neutral / red by UK and AAA. I wonder if said alliances knew that before taking space in Prov? These so called rumors have been mentioned on these forums for a while now and I thought it was just common knowledge. Providence, plenty of PvP for those that want it without sov wars. At least this way people can go to Providence and learn how to live in 0.0 without huge capital blobs fighting it out constantly. Considering that most people that went to Providence when CVA ran things never really learned how to live and survive in 0.0, they just carebeared and got fat without any real gains of experience, now people will actually have to learn to keep themselves alive, the way it should be. Alliance Creation
Christina Bamar Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.04.15 13:05:00 - [6] The only reason Agony moved down was specifically because we would have no long-term blues. As such Agony has done a full reset today and are once again fully neutral. We'll happily work with others to protect sov and to get nice kills, but we so no reason to maintain permanent blues and reduce our target list unnecessarily. Providence should be a fun place and we're looking forward to some mutual pew pew with our neighbors CEO, Agony Unleashed
Gunshot Caldari SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.15 13:13:00 - [7] Provi will be a mix of corps and alliance that do what ever we want with only one understanding à we donÆt go after each others space. If a full reset happens I for one would have a blast. The truth is some groups in provi will run NBSI ( Not Blue Shoot It) Others will do NRDS ( Not Red DonÆt Shoot ) it will prove to be a interesting place in the future and red blue or neutral I have a lot of respect for the groups that worked hard to get there space.
Zey Nadar Gallente S0utherN Comfort Enforcers of Serenity	Posted - 2010.04.15 13:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Butter Dog 1. they're not renters 2. they are free to manage their own standings - some may be red, some blue, etc 3. they knew this was the deal prior to moving in, and liked the sound of it so this isn't exactly a drama-bomb, or whatever you're hoping it is Confirmed. All above points are true. The alliances in provi are not renters because no rent is paid to any entity.
Meno Theaetetus Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.04.15 14:13:00 - [9] So just to clarify for the average reader, -A- has kicked cva out of providence, in there place they have installed alliances that will be farmed as targets so that -a- don't have to reset anyone in the south to provide its members with pew pew. Somewhat clever, but amazingly arrogant course of action.
Christina Bamar Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.04.15 14:15:00 - [10] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus So just to clarify for the average reader, -A- has kicked cva out of providence, in there place they have installed alliances that will be farmed as targets so that -a- don't have to reset anyone in the south to provide its members with pew pew. Somewhat clever, but amazingly arrogant course of action. By "farmed" you mean we get all the small/medium gang pvp we want with targets coming to us to fight? If that's being farmed then you can farm me all day long baby. CEO, Agony Unleashed
Meno Theaetetus Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.04.15 14:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Christina Bamar Originally by: Meno Theaetetus So just to clarify for the average reader, -A- has kicked cva out of providence, in there place they have installed alliances that will be farmed as targets so that -a- don't have to reset anyone in the south to provide its members with pew pew. Somewhat clever, but amazingly arrogant course of action. By "farmed" you mean we get all the small/medium gang pvp we want with targets coming to us to fight? If that's being farmed then you can farm me all day long baby. Why do you need to live in providence to get that? you living 4-5 jumps from -a- is for their convenience, not yours.
Christina Bamar Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.04.15 14:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Christina Bamar Originally by: Meno Theaetetus So just to clarify for the average reader, -A- has kicked cva out of providence, in there place they have installed alliances that will be farmed as targets so that -a- don't have to reset anyone in the south to provide its members with pew pew. Somewhat clever, but amazingly arrogant course of action. By "farmed" you mean we get all the small/medium gang pvp we want with targets coming to us to fight? If that's being farmed then you can farm me all day long baby. Why do you need to live in providence to get that? you living 4-5 jumps from -a- is for their convenience, not yours. We've lived all over the universe and move on a regular basis. We know as well as anyone how difficult it is to find people who are consistently willing to fight and are willing to fight without first forming up 3:1 odds against you. We don't consider pvp a bad thing, and if having consistent good fights is fun for AAA too then all the better. I fail to see how getting things to shoot at is somehow being taken advantage of. CEO, Agony Unleashed
Meno Theaetetus Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.04.15 14:27:00 - [13] Originally by: Christina Bamar Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Christina Bamar Originally by: Meno Theaetetus So just to clarify for the average reader, -A- has kicked cva out of providence, in there place they have installed alliances that will be farmed as targets so that -a- don't have to reset anyone in the south to provide its members with pew pew. Somewhat clever, but amazingly arrogant course of action. By "farmed" you mean we get all the small/medium gang pvp we want with targets coming to us to fight? If that's being farmed then you can farm me all day long baby. Why do you need to live in providence to get that? you living 4-5 jumps from -a- is for their convenience, not yours. We've lived all over the universe and move on a regular basis. We know as well as anyone how difficult it is to find people who are consistently willing to fight and are willing to fight without first forming up 3:1 odds against you. We don't consider pvp a bad thing, and if having consistent good fights is fun for AAA too then all the better. I fail to see how getting things to shoot at is somehow being taken advantage of. well, best of luck to you.
Solid Star Gallente Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2010.04.15 15:29:00 - [14] Wait . . . so they took out CVA with their roaming 24/7 mega blob and put in alliances that will be neutral to each other with an agreement not take each others space (no SOV wars)? Sounds like a PVP'ers dream. I thought -A- were supposed to be the bad guys just trying to take more space or rent it out for more iskies.
Wotlankor Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.15 15:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Solid Star Wait . . . so they took out CVA with their roaming 24/7 mega blob and put in alliances that will be neutral to each other with an agreement not take each others space (no SOV wars)? Sounds like a PVP'ers dream. I thought -A- were supposed to be the bad guys just trying to take more space or rent it out for more iskies. Nope, you just got PvP heaven with small to medium roaming gangs. No overly large blobs but the possibility of small fleets slugging it out. However not all will be neutral, some will be blue, some red. Hopefully we can have some ground where neutrals (read n00bs corp players and smaller corps) can go. Yes, they will be at risk but not overly so.
Orree Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.04.15 16:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Christina Bamar Originally by: Meno Theaetetus So just to clarify for the average reader, -A- has kicked cva out of providence, in there place they have installed alliances that will be farmed as targets so that -a- don't have to reset anyone in the south to provide its members with pew pew. Somewhat clever, but amazingly arrogant course of action. By "farmed" you mean we get all the small/medium gang pvp we want with targets coming to us to fight? If that's being farmed then you can farm me all day long baby. Why do you need to live in providence to get that? you living 4-5 jumps from -a- is for their convenience, not yours. Believe it or not, it is possible for things to be mutually convenient. I'm sure we're all appreciative of your concern, though. ---------- "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.04.15 16:48:00 - [17] I don't speak for the corp, but most of us see this as a cool place to come hang out between contracts. Get some pew pew, make a little iskies. Our stations are open for use, but we're not going to change from NBSI. People will be welcome to use our space, but need to be taking appropriate precautions. Especially when we're "home".
El Muchacha Minmatar Phathcom Enterprises	Posted - 2010.04.15 17:05:00 - [18] Bottom line: AAA wants a target rich environment and a close area to roam. Everyone will be reset. If however someone is foolish enough to start going after one of the renters sov. Then AAA will protect them. This will be a NIP kind of deal. All AAA wants is their ISK and killmails.
Xikorita Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.04.15 17:11:00 - [19] Originally by: El Muchacha Bottom line: AAA wants a target rich environment and a close area to roam. Everyone will be reset. If however someone is foolish enough to start going after one of the renters sov. Then AAA will protect them. This will be a NIP kind of deal. All AAA wants is their ISK and killmails. AAA isn't renting because they will not get iskies from the alliances settled. Instead of a PvE area Providence is a PvP area without the sov wars or gate guns.
DaDutchDude Minmatar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.04.15 17:26:00 - [20] Edited by: DaDutchDude on 15/04/2010 17:29:04 Originally by: El Muchacha Bottom line: AAA wants a target rich environment and a close area to roam. Everyone will be reset. If however someone is foolish enough to start going after one of the renters sov. Then AAA will protect them. This will be a NIP kind of deal. All AAA wants is their ISK and killmails. Underscored the completely incorrect parts. None of the new alliances in Providence is paying rent, so they aren't renters and AAA isn't getting Isk from them Also, AAA wants a close by area to PVP, yes, and sure, they want to win and get kill mails, but they are aware that if they bring their full force into Providence, they won't get much in the way of pew pew, completely invalidating all the hard work they put into getting this New Providence thing off the ground. It is a fine balance and a new situation to us all, so we'll have to see how this pans out, but I think none of the participants in this experiment will benefit from completely pummeling their neighbors into the ground, and this includes AAA. AFAIK, all new alliances involved in Providence share a passion for PVP as a fun activity instead of just waving their ePeen around or projecting their power, so I'm hoping for lots and lots of small scale back and forth exchanges where hopefully the amount of killmails will only be of secondary importance compared to the amount fun to be had by the actual engagements. Again, it's an experiment, so I'm hoping for the best but preparing for the worst. _____________________________________ Agony Unleashed (home of PVP University)
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.04.15 17:41:00 - [21] Seems a lot of people persist in the incorrect term "renters" for the new residents of Providence. None are paying anything to anyone for the space; therefore are not renters. As Erichk said above, Noir. is going to be NBSI and enjoying themselves when not on contract. I think the new Providence is going to be a lot of fun for all. Blog and Podcast - Twitter: DeclareWar
mineswallower Caldari H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.15 18:37:00 - [22] Personally I love the new guys, especially Noir, they were full of win and lols during the provi campaign, I will love getting killed by them. All I hope for is a return to the good old fashioned small scale roaming gangs, there's nothing quite like a good <20 vs <20 to get the blood pumping. Maybe it will work, maybe it wont, but it will be interesting to see how it develops, sort of along the way CCP originally imagined 0.0 before aliances were introduced. Hopefully it will be a great playground for new players, and we might see some real new corp and player development. Doors are open guys, just takes a pair to come enjoy the game to its full.
Meno Theaetetus Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.04.15 23:54:00 - [23] So do you all get exactly equal moon and ratting rights, how is that decided?
Jones Bones Minmatar Final Agony B A N E	Posted - 2010.04.16 00:45:00 - [24] Who cares which moons and belts they get. They are a kill farmer's dream. Old Provi would turn out a 100 man blob for our little gangs. New Provi are delicious and respawn. A+++ Would buy again!
Kossaw Gallente H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.16 03:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Edited by: Meno Theaetetus on 16/04/2010 00:01:45 So do you all get exactly equal moon and ratting rights, how is that decided? There are NO RENTERS in Providence. There is NO SINGLE CONTROLLING ALLIANCE. Ratting rights consist of "I'm here and ratting. If you want me to move on then find me and shoot me." Moon mining rights consist of "We have a POS Here. If you don't like it, try killing it and see what happens". Much like many of us would like to see in the rest of 0.0 The entities that have moved into Providence understand this. If they come roaming into -A- space then fine. It is the prohibition on Sov wars that will define if this experiment works or not.
Aria Kasalovich Minmatar Kalakiota Research Group Immortalis Militis Invictus	Posted - 2010.04.16 03:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Christina Bamar The only reason Agony moved down was specifically because we would have no long-term blues. As such Agony has done a full reset today and are once again fully neutral. We'll happily work with others to protect sov and to get nice kills, but we so no reason to maintain permanent blues and reduce our target list unnecessarily. Providence should be a fun place and we're looking forward to some mutual pew pew with our neighbors And I am thankful for that as I have been farming Agony the last couple of days. Shame you cant chain them really, but they do drop nice loot from time to time.
DeLaBu Caldari Hive Bound Technologies Paxton Federation	Posted - 2010.04.16 10:12:00 - [27] This "New Providence" patch really seems broken to me. For instance, we started farming AY-24 which initially yielded very nice red spawns. But then we started getting less and less red spawns until there was about nothing the last few days. We even tried shooting down the station services to see if it won't trigger a new wave of reds, or maybe even a red officer spawn. There were some reports of officer spawns in big ships, but even that seems to be bugged. Those officer spawns seem to be stuck in this big bubble structure thing where we can't shoot at it. Maybe it's only that system that's broken? The red spawns in systems like HED-GP seem to work very well. In fact, more and more tend to spawn the longer you stay there, even leading to some losses on our side! It can even escalate into spawns appearing in our home systems! So, I'm not sure this expansion is working as intended in all systems. I really hope CCP fixes this or I might rage quit and you can have all my stuff.
Napro Caldari Buccaneers of New Eden death from above..	Posted - 2010.04.16 12:48:00 - [28] This must be wrong. Nobody who speaks Russian could be an evil man.
El Muchacha Minmatar Phathcom Enterprises	Posted - 2010.04.16 13:11:00 - [29] Regardless of who bought stations and who did not. There were some alliances that bought real estate. Agaony or NOIR does not equate to everyone that moved into providence.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.16 13:46:00 - [30] Yeah Opticon bought two outposts from UK that we captured (the epic 8-TCU-in-a-row marathon of dominion bugs, if anyone remembers the tears) afaik no-one else paid ISK ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc

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