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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.10 21:05:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Alpay wrote:If the big fear is players in NPC corps, then make it only available to players in non-npc corps?
And if there needs to be a cost, sure...make it X amount of ISK every month, a hangar rent. I have no problem with that.
My point is, I can always trade the modules back and forth so the "feature" is already there, only with a shared hangar you simplify the task. Isk isn't the cost we're talking about. Corps provide convenience in exchange for increased Risk. Where's the increased risk from sharing things with your alts? How about this: Meta Corps: Give you shared hangar space, but if anyone in the meta-corp is involved in a Wardec, everyone in the Meta-Corp is. That way, you can share space with your alts even if you're already in another Corp. If you want the added safety of using alts to avoid the repercussions of Wardecs, you have to take the inconvenience of the occasional contract or station trade. You just devalued player corps. Now only pilots solely in NPC corps could use this feature without this risk. Why do you keep tying war decs into hangar space? What do you feel is the balance for alliances/corps holding SOV? Keeping in mind the stated purpose of war decs is to make fights between the parties treated like they happened in null, so noone is penalized by sec status or NPC intervention.
I forgot to mention that at least one member should be required to be in a PC corp with that Meta-Corp suggestion.
A Corp (again, not talking about Alliances) has 2 unique functions. Shared Hangar space/wallets, and the ability to put up POSes. Wardecs are the only significant way to provide downsides to things in HS, so Wardecs are tied to both of those functions.
The stated purpose of wardecs is to allow people to fight each other in HS legally. They most certainly are not treated as if they happened in Null (no bubbles, bombs, or Capitals).
-RubyPorto
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Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mordus Angels
392
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Posted - 2012.07.10 21:52:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:A Corp (again, not talking about Alliances) has 2 unique functions. Shared Hangar space/wallets, and the ability to put up POSes. Wardecs are the only significant way to provide downsides to things in HS, so Wardecs are tied to both of those functions.
The stated purpose of wardecs is to allow people to fight each other in HS legally. They most certainly are not treated as if they happened in Null (no bubbles, bombs, or Capitals).
Their is no logic to wanting to attack someone over hangar space. It lacks relevance in this context, since you cannot take their hangar space.
Are they mining in your space? War Dec em.
Did they put up a POS at a moon you want? War Dec em.
Did they pay the fee, upgrade to alliance level and claim SOV in a system you want? War Dec em.
The point of a war dec is to extend null sec rules into other sec space, yes. A war dec over details unaffected by war makes no sense.
Balance aspects at least need cause and effect connections on some level.
Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata)
Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
359
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Posted - 2012.07.10 22:15:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:A Corp (again, not talking about Alliances) has 2 unique functions. Shared Hangar space/wallets, and the ability to put up POSes. Wardecs are the only significant way to provide downsides to things in HS, so Wardecs are tied to both of those functions.
The stated purpose of wardecs is to allow people to fight each other in HS legally. They most certainly are not treated as if they happened in Null (no bubbles, bombs, or Capitals). Their is no logic to wanting to attack someone over hangar space. It lacks relevance in this context, since you cannot take their hangar space. Are they mining in your space? War Dec em. Did they put up a POS at a moon you want? War Dec em. Did they pay the fee, upgrade to alliance level and claim SOV in a system you want? War Dec em. The point of a war dec is to extend null sec rules into other sec space, yes. A war dec over details unaffected by war makes no sense. Balance aspects at least need cause and effect connections on some level.
If there were a way to get shared Hangar space without being in a Corp, there would be no point in putting together a mining corp. That's why Wardecs are related to Hangar space.
If the benefits you need of being in a Corp are available without assuming the risk of a Wardec, why form a corp?
-RubyPorto
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Lord Zim
1018
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Posted - 2012.07.10 22:26:00 -
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I want the ability to setup a shared hangar space and a shared wallet between specific characters while in NPC corps, so I can drop my player corp and still be able to easily work all major market hubs without having to trade, contract or transfer things between characters, and most importantly without being deccable. Let's do this. |
Alpay
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.07.10 22:45:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:I want the ability to setup a shared hangar space and a shared wallet between specific characters while in NPC corps, so I can drop my player corp and still be able to easily work all major market hubs without having to trade, contract or transfer things between characters, and most importantly without being deccable. Let's do this.
This is just sad....  |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
359
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Posted - 2012.07.10 22:47:00 -
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Alpay wrote:Lord Zim wrote:I want the ability to setup a shared hangar space and a shared wallet between specific characters while in NPC corps, so I can drop my player corp and still be able to easily work all major market hubs without having to trade, contract or transfer things between characters, and most importantly without being deccable. Let's do this. This is just sad....
That was your proposal, in essence.
-RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mordus Angels
393
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Posted - 2012.07.10 22:48:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:I want the ability to setup a shared hangar space and a shared wallet between specific characters while in NPC corps, so I can drop my player corp and still be able to easily work all major market hubs without having to trade, contract or transfer things between characters, and most importantly without being deccable. Let's do this.
You added the shared wallet too, not a part of the OP at all.
Now, if you want to make it war deccable, allow it to issue war decs.
Forget tying it to other corporations, allow the head player sharing this hangar to war dec others.
Being war dec vulnerable is the risk aspect of being able to issue war decs.
Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata)
Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Lord Zim
1018
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Posted - 2012.07.10 23:05:00 -
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Not a part of the OP at all, no, but a logical extension, since the only reason you should want CCP to add this feature is for convenience. And once you have shared hangars, a shared wallet is sure to follow. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
359
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Posted - 2012.07.10 23:15:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Lord Zim wrote:I want the ability to setup a shared hangar space and a shared wallet between specific characters while in NPC corps, so I can drop my player corp and still be able to easily work all major market hubs without having to trade, contract or transfer things between characters, and most importantly without being deccable. Let's do this. You added the shared wallet too, not a part of the OP at all. Now, if you want to make it war deccable, allow it to issue war decs. Forget tying it to other corporations, allow the head player sharing this hangar to war dec others. Being war dec vulnerable is the risk aspect of being able to issue war decs.
Sure. Fair is fair. The Meta Corp can Dec people, and membership is public.
So basically, allow people to join 2 corps at a time. Fine by me.
-RubyPorto
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Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mordus Angels
398
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:12:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Nikk Narrel wrote:Lord Zim wrote:I want the ability to setup a shared hangar space and a shared wallet between specific characters while in NPC corps, so I can drop my player corp and still be able to easily work all major market hubs without having to trade, contract or transfer things between characters, and most importantly without being deccable. Let's do this. You added the shared wallet too, not a part of the OP at all. Now, if you want to make it war deccable, allow it to issue war decs. Forget tying it to other corporations, allow the head player sharing this hangar to war dec others. Being war dec vulnerable is the risk aspect of being able to issue war decs. Sure. Fair is fair. The Meta Corp can Dec people, and membership is public. So basically, allow people to join 2 corps at a time. Fine by me.
I like this.
It trades convenience for willingness to participate in a bigger part of the game.
Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata)
Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
snake pies
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
50
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:32:00 -
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It's a good idea for multi-boxers, and it should be limited to that, then the trolls can shut up about corp features which is nothing like what is being asked.
I run many accounts at the same time and I do a lot of station trading items from the main to the alts.....
Firstly, CCP has to give better tools for multi-boxers, and once they enable us to link pilots and IP to the same "human", we can talk about this shared inventory. |
Alpay
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.07.23 14:31:00 -
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Hm, just having the option to share a station container could be a simple step ?  |
Pipa Porto
469
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:29:00 -
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Alpay wrote:Hm, just having the option to share a station container could be a simple step ?
Reducing the size doesn't change anything.
If you want the safety of out of corp alts, you have to pay for them in some slight inconvenience.
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