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ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.17 11:30:00 - [1] Originally by: Major Templar Now, I must ask Jade, what is your official stance on their admission to slavery? Also, from what I understood, it has always been your view of closing off space to neutrals as a wrong move and therefore that alliance is wrong. Sorry if it's worded weird but I'm not able to concentrate tonight, too many boosters and my brain is fried. My understanding has always been that if an alliance restricts pilots from free movement that they are in fact what you despise and seek to rid New Eden of, is this true? If so, how does this agreement of, "Star Fraction can do it but no one else can" seem right? If not, then what is your official stance as of now? Because seeking to make an empire, closing space to all others "not in their blue list" and also slavery seems to be exactly what Daisho have done. Thanks, Major The comments made in local comms were just used to aggravate our pilots, I do not believe Daisho pilots actually hold Slaves. As you can see by the results of our vote on this issue it was a close call, many pilots would have been happy to wage a campaign to the death and remove an NBSI entity from the region. However, ultimaty a majority felt that the changes in space and diplomatically warranted further pursuit down diplomatic and ideological terms. We do of course promote the use of NRDS RoE and we hope our friends and neighbors will see the example we set is good for everyone in the region and perhaps follow suit. It is not our place however, to tell people who they can and cannot shoot. NBSI, is far from an ideal RoE, but it is not strictly regressive enclosureism. *ChipMo raises a glass > To the future, comrades!
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.17 12:34:00 - [2] Edited by: ChipMo on 17/04/2010 12:34:00 Originally by: Archbishop So in other words No. Leave my words alone, they say what they say & that is all. Originally by: Archbishop This is a shocking revelation to be sure. Perhaps ChipMo could address these observations as I'm sure many others have made the same observations and indeed are wondering "why would they make peace with an alliance that does everything they oppose?". Archbishop Quite simple, they have shown willing to change and taken some tentative steps in the direction of Free Space. This was enough to satisfy our membership, we shall now focus on the continuing liberation of Providence.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 18:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Now I am confused. I'm infering here that this states you believe you are remaining true to your principles. Yet barely a couple of posts ago you said you were making compromises. Perhaps you can explain to me how this is possible? *ChipMo laughs aloud.. Oh my, has your intelligence implant exploded?
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.24 13:24:00 - [4] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Originally by: The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction's principles remain intact. So now we are being told there was no compromise? Only a few days ago we were told: Originally by: Jade Constantine Its entirely evident that compromises were made with the fact we had a vote on the issue of peace in the first place. I find this contradiction confusing. Furthermore, I still await clarifaction on the extent to which Daisho will will be adopting Freespace You really should have someone take a look at that Intelligence implant you know. There is something seriously wrong with your reasoning and logical abilities.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.24 14:02:00 - [5] Edited by: ChipMo on 24/04/2010 14:02:29 Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Originally by: ChipMo You really should have someone take a look at that Intelligence implant you know. There is something seriously wrong with your reasoning and logical abilities. Perhaps if you are so confident of your reasoning you could explain the contradiction rather than resort to a personal insult. Perhaps you could even answer the question which you have so adroitly dodged: Can you confirm you persuaded Daisho to adopt Freespace in the long term? Fine, I will indulge your stupidity, this had better put a stop to your incesant whingeing though! To your first point, principles vs concessions. Our principles were met in our terms with Daisho, they accept we are free to travel where we like when we like. The consessions Jade refers to has nothing to do with our principles as the Cosmopolite has already pointed out to you... In answer to your new question: No. Daisho do not believe in the principles of Freespace, the long term is exactly that L O N G T E R M. We will maintain good relations with Daisho and show them the advantages of FreeSpace which we hope they will adopt. They are willing to open their space to those who indulge diplomacy and this is a good step in the direction of Free Space. ChipMo shakes his head & mumbles.. "like being a ***ing primary school teacher, honestly".. walks away in disgust at the thought fellow capsuleers can be so profoundly dense.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.24 14:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave So, by your own admission Star Fraction only cares about opening space up for itself. Thank you for making that clear. No that is not what I said.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.25 16:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave My contention that Star Fraction is only interested in Freespace for its own pilots is broadly correct then. No, it is not.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.25 20:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Originally by: ChipMo No, it is not. I have made an effort to provide evidence for my contention based upon the questions you and other Star Fraction pilots have answered for me. Please provide counter evidence to support your rebuttal. You made an effort to manipulate and misconstrue our words and have failed. No rebuttal is required, let alone "evidence".
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.26 12:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Originally by: ChipMo No rebuttal is required Yet you attempted one earlier: Originally by: ChipMo No, it is not. And, indeed, before that: Originally by: ChipMo No that is not what I said. And before that your approach was to personally insult me I made no rebuttal. I simply stated that what you had written was not a true reflection of the words you quoted in each case. This is clear to anyone who reads them as such there is nothing I need add. I did not insult you I recommended you get your intelligence implants looked at because I honestly did not believe someone could be so dense as to honestly believe the things you have been saying, and so profoundly misunderstand anything that a Free Captain says... yet you continue to spew forth your ridiculous nonsense. I do not know if it is just your stupidity, perhaps you are just trying to make some deceitful ploy. Originally by: Mirxa's Slave If you are unwilling to defend your own words, and in many cases these quotes have been drawn direct from your own principles, I would infer that you don't really believe in them. It suggests no such thing. Our words do not require a defense from us, they are our words and they say what they say. You quoting snippets here and there and then making up fanciful stories around them doesn't mean a thing. Anyone who comes here and reads those words can clearly see what they say for themselves. Originally by: Mirxa's Slave If you are unwilling to detail counter evidence, it suggest that you accept that Star Fraction is only interested in Freespace for its own pilots Again with the bull**. Get a **ing grip woman. I have two words to say in response to this: Operation Castrato.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.26 14:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Again, I feel bound to remind you that I have remained entirely civil throughout this discussion and only asked for clarification on certain issues. Clarification that I am still waiting for. Your ignorance is far more infuriating than any insult. I already gave you an example of The Star Fraction fighting for other peoples freedoms. O - p - e - r - a - t - i - o - n, C - a - s - t - r - a - t - o.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.26 14:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Perhaps you would care to enlighten us then as to what this achieved? *ChipMo drops his head with a sigh.. Looks up to address the terminal, Frankly no. You clearly haven't the slightest grasp of what our organisation is about or what we have been doing for the past 6 years. Any further communication with you is pointless. Go find out for yourself, perhaps you will learn a little of Freedom while your at it.

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